See Armstrong and Jetty show little stugg Because what we must understand in the city, state, and country is that practical is progressive. That's what that's the progressive is. If you were just talking about closing only the building of Riker's Island, that's not progressive. Close the pipeline at eads Riker's Island. I am practical and I am progressive. We've allowed that turn to be hijacked. And I'm not going to allow anyone to tell me that my policies are not progressive to deal with housing, to deal with coach tail and these important issues that we are facing. But that's what I say to my colleges across this country. We need real issues to solve, real problems to everyday people in this country. Sit Arriic Adams, who is going to be the mayor of New York City, and he ran on law and order and cracking down and adding to the police, not defunding the police, and uh he could be a template for Democrats in the same way that Yo them could be a template for Republicans. Perhaps, if you're gonna try to extrapolate, maybe we'll talk about that with long eachamp. But we have breaking news that I think is important, breaking breaking news, and the breaking news. Donkey, this is breaking news. Nancy Pelosi has officially announced that four weeks have paid family and medical leave are being added back in to the social spending bill, so making it more progressive. So is this the old switcher rule? Is she trying to kill it? I have been saying all day long. I only care about these results last night. If they kill these trillion dollar turn us into France bills. If they don't, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter if if the if the if the, if the grow the government crowd always wins on policy. I don't care about the individual elections. If only we had someone we could talk about who's an expert in domestic police see well, Lan hea Chan is the candidate for California State Controller of these days. He's on leave from the Hoover Institution, Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University. It's been too long on he how are you hey? Great to be with you guys again. Thank you. Almost almost expired from COVID last Friday. I'm I'm vaccinated. I got the COVID. Was sickest I ever been a moment well, I'm glad to hear you're on the men, and I was sorry to here, but I'm glad you're fighting your way through it. So let's go to that breaking news. Lon he What do you think Nancy's up to? What are the prospects of the semi legitimate infrastructure Bill and the gigantic Build Back Better Bill in your mind? Well, you know, I think last night, with what happened in Virginia and what we're seeing, you know, play out in New Jersey, I think there's a lot of people who are panicked right now and they're trying to figure out what does it mean for next year, and in particular in Congress. You know, the the supposition was always that Republicans would have an advantage, you know Itdem's first mid term next year was going to be a good cycle for Republicans they pick up seats in the House and Senate. But I think last night really punctuated that and and part of I think the effort here is I think Democrats need to figure out what direction their party is going to go in. Are they going to go toward increased progressivism, increased wokeism and double down on you know, in my view, the kinds of things that failed last night, or are they going to try and turn in the direction. It seems like the announcement from Pelosi suggests that maybe they haven't learned those lessons, and they believe that they need to to to continue to move in in that progressive direction. But to your guys point, who knows is this an act of sabotage? Is this something something else? I really don't know. It's too early to tell. But last night a lot of lessons to be learned, I think by both parties. Well, here's here's what bothers me with that kind of analysis. When I hear and you're a policy guy, so I know you care about policy. You've advised campaigns on this sort of stuff. I hear regularly about how Obama overreached with a bomb Acare and he was punished in the mid terms. They lost sixties some seats in the House. Who freaking cares. The Democrats got what they wanted, put using on, putting us on the road to universal healthcare, and the same here if Nancy Polosi gets the turn us into France bills through who cares? If they get punished next year? They won, They got all these policies that I hate through. So isn't it about the policies and not the whether they get punished afterwards? Yeah, it is about the policies. Except what I would say in this regard is what will prevent them from passing those policies over the next several weeks is the fear of what happens next year. So yes, in retrospect, you're right. If they get the policy and they continue to move us in this big government direction, that is, you know, that's not a good outcome. But we are still at a point in time now where things can change, and we're still at a point in time now where the election results from last night, which I think we're pretty significant, can still have a pretty substantial impact on what happens with the policy going forward. So I think that's the sort of silver lining. But I agree with you. Look, if if we've already had six trillion dollars at fiscal stimulus, I don't think people even realize how much six trillion dollars did. People don't now now we're talking about adding whatever it is, a trillion and a half. I mean, at this point, the fact that we are even sort of saying, oh, only a trillion and a half. That is mind boggling to me. So, you know, I think people just need to understand that what what the best thing that can come out of last night would be a recognition from a policy perspective that there will be serious costs for moderate Democrats who vote for massive additional expansions in government. And I think that is something that certainly could be a lesson learned last night, And if it is, I think that'd be good news. Well you read my mind. I was just going to bring up the prospects of the dozens and dozens of moderate Democratic congress people who are up for election every two years. They have to have take Can a lesson. They've had to have taken note of what happened last night in Virginia. But having said that, let's let's focus for a minute on what happened in Virginia. Glenn Young Can, the Republican came from a way down to to beat Terry mccauliffe, longtime fixture in Democrat politics. I also think he's a soulless piece of garbage. But that's a that's a little editorializing on. My parents have no business telling schools out of teacher kids. So you had him lose having said that, which is one of the all time great exposures. Uh, you can call it a gaff, but he exposed himself, uh, and what he really believes. But you had Republicans also win lieutenant governor an attorney general in a state which is increasingly solidly blue. Lani, Why what happened? Well, I mean there's a lot of things. So first of all, you guys have set the scenes very well. Virginia is a state that pundits have been saying, you know, Republicans have no shot in right. This is a state that went from being a toss up state into thousand four or even two thousand eight to having uh, you know, pretty solid democratic majorities as we moved into the more recent era. And then what you saw last night was a complete see change. I mean, you saw a fifteen point flip, for example, amongst suburban women in their support for Joe Biden in and then just one year later, guys, it's not even talking about several years. This is one year later, those voters went dramatically in favor of Glenn Yunkin and the ability of Yuncan to compete in the suburbs, the ability to compete with populations. Uh that that frankly, we have not been competitive within Virginia for a couple of cycles. I think that is that that's the biggest point that we need to take coming out of this, which is a lot of debate will happen over how much of Virginia is replicable, how much of what happened last night we could see in other states. But fundamentally, what young can showed is if you've got a candidate who's focused on state issues, he was running for governor, he wasn't talking about national politics. He was focused on what can he do to make the lives of Virginia's better. That focus is appealing to people in the suburbs. It's appealing to women, it's appealing to constituencies that Republicans have struggled with in recent years. So in that sense, I think a lot can be learned because you've got a lot of these states, Colorado, even California where the suburban slide has been a big problem for Republicans, and I think young and and Republicans showed in Virginia that they can win, and that's a very important message. So many Democrats think Twitter is the real world, and I hope they continue to think that because they will lose a lot if they continue to think twitters were real world. That's what doomed Kamala Harris's campaign, That's what it is going to doom a lot of people. But I would say you can replicate it if you can convince your opponent to say parents should have no role in the school's teaching of the kids. If you can get your opponent to say that, it will help a lot. Although Lane, let me let me give you the other point of view, which I believe, which is if you can communicate that the left is so down with the teachers union and so not down with parents and kids, you can take that juice and maybe run with it a bit. Yeah. I mean, look, I think that the position that Terry mccaulliffe articulated is not that far from where you know a lot of Democrats, particularly in blue states, are particularly those running for office, because the pressures that those candidates face, they believe they have to bow to those constituencies, even if they're doing so to the point of absurdity. The notion that parents shouldn't have any say in what their kids are learning is ludicrous. It's ludicrous in Virginia, it's ludicrous in California. But that's the point of view that a lot of these guys have to take because that's where the modern Democratic Party is. The point is that the progressive, the far left progressive movement, a lot of this woke ism we're seeing has co opted a lot of mainstream quote unquote mainstream Democrats. And so what TERR McCall have said is not some crazy, kind of like out of left field thing. It's the position of the modern day Democratic Party. I think we have to acknowledge that. And that's why the Democratic Party is going to have problems in two whether it's in states like Virginia or Colorado or yeah, even California. I think they're going to have issues even here too. So you know, again, we just have to recognize it for what it is. It is not a position that is a a a deviant position within the Democratic Party. It is a mainstream position now within the Democratic Party. Yeah, like I've said earlier, it only matters to me if it's if it's enough of a wake up call for modern Democrats to not allow these bills to pass pass. I'd like it if neither one of these bills passed. But you know, Nancy Pelosi is a salty old bag, my words, not yours. Um what I wonder what she's up to. What do you think, Joe? What the whole we're gonna put the the paid leave back in. Joe Mention has specifically said, no, that's a that's a line I won't cross. He specifically said that's a red line for him. And she's putting it back in. I've got to admit to being mystified. My assumption would be that she would feel like her true arch nemesis, which is the far lefties, the squad at all, that they would have the wind taken out of their sales, and she was gonna absolutely yank the party moderate towards the moderate and and get that infrastructure. When I'm mystified by this move, Lona, he do you have any thoughts? Well? You look in. Part of it also is while Pelosi may have instincts to move things back towards the middle of what, she also realizes that she's stuck between a rock and a hard place because she needs she needs that far left progressive base to turn out, and so she's got a turnout problem as well. We'll have to see what happened. By the way, the Virginia data is still coming in. Obviously on turnout, we know Republicans turned out last night. The question is did Democrats turn out and did the Democrats that that that mccauliffe needed to win. They clearly the part of this. Maybe it's now play. I'm not the directive domestic policy studies anywhere except maybe on this show. Um, but it just occurred to me. Okay, so the build back better things gonna go down in flames. I believe that, and I pray I'm right. But to help future turn out, it's now all about virtue signaling. So she's adding back everything that pulls reasonably decently, and it's gonna haul herself up on the cross. She's gonna scream and yell for it and demand it and make it clear that the Democratic Party is trying to get this for you, knowing it won't pass. Yes, stranger things that happened, Stranger things have happened. Well, I was expecting, Joe, you're a genius, but I'll take that right now. You're just flattering me. Lanten, candidate for California State Controller, Director of Public Policy Studies at Stanford University. Lannie, we could talk to you all day, Jack, you got one more. No, appreciate your time, Lani appreciated, always enjoyed so much. Thanks. Great to be with you guys. Thank you, you got it. I hadn't gotten to this quote yet from another Blue check mark. Lefty Republicans are able to feed their base misinformation directly through their news outlets. The Democratic Party needs to figure out ways two more actively court it's base voters on a regular basis. You are blanking kidding me. Other than all of the legacy media, elementary, middle, high schools, and colleges, yeah, all of the schooling, all of the legacy media, Hollywood and pop culture. Other than that, yeah, Other than that, you've got nothing. It's weird. Probably how to just just be quiet now, they're so delusional and so off base. The best thing we can do is just be quiet. I think you're right. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. She realizes it's gonna die now anyway. So let's put the good stuff in there that the real Wolke loved, you know, so so that they I'm on board with that. It's no longer about passing it. It's about signaling to the base. Put the candy back in. Yeah there interesting, You have any thoughts text line four five two nine five k f TC

See Armstrong and Jetty show little stugg Because what we must understand in the city, state, and country is that practical is progressive. That's what that's the progressive is. If you were just talking about closing only the building of Riker's Island, that's not progressive. Close the pipeline at eads Riker's Island. I am practical and I am progressive. We've allowed that turn to be hijacked. And I'm not going to allow anyone to tell me that my policies are not progressive to deal with housing, to deal with coach tail and these important issues that we are facing. But that's what I say to my colleges across this country. We need real issues to solve, real problems to everyday people in this country. Sit Arriic Adams, who is going to be the mayor of New York City, and he ran on law and order and cracking down and adding to the police, not defunding the police, and uh he could be a template for Democrats in the same way that Yo them could be a template for Republicans. Perhaps, if you're gonna try to extrapolate, maybe we'll talk about that with long eachamp. But we have breaking news that I think is important, breaking breaking news, and the breaking news. Donkey, this is breaking news. Nancy Pelosi has officially announced that four weeks have paid family and medical leave are being added back in to the social spending bill, so making it more progressive. So is this the old switcher rule? Is she trying to kill it? I have been saying all day long. I only care about these results last night. If they kill these trillion dollar turn us into France bills. If they don't, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter if if the if the if the, if the grow the government crowd always wins on policy. I don't care about the individual elections. If only we had someone we could talk about who's an expert in domestic police see well, Lan hea Chan is the candidate for California State Controller of these days. He's on leave from the Hoover Institution, Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University. It's been too long on he how are you hey? Great to be with you guys again. Thank you. Almost almost expired from COVID last Friday. I'm I'm vaccinated. I got the COVID. Was sickest I ever been a moment well, I'm glad to hear you're on the men, and I was sorry to here, but I'm glad you're fighting your way through it. So let's go to that breaking news. Lon he What do you think Nancy's up to? What are the prospects of the semi legitimate infrastructure Bill and the gigantic Build Back Better Bill in your mind? Well, you know, I think last night, with what happened in Virginia and what we're seeing, you know, play out in New Jersey, I think there's a lot of people who are panicked right now and they're trying to figure out what does it mean for next year, and in particular in Congress. You know, the the supposition was always that Republicans would have an advantage, you know Itdem's first mid term next year was going to be a good cycle for Republicans they pick up seats in the House and Senate. But I think last night really punctuated that and and part of I think the effort here is I think Democrats need to figure out what direction their party is going to go in. Are they going to go toward increased progressivism, increased wokeism and double down on you know, in my view, the kinds of things that failed last night, or are they going to try and turn in the direction. It seems like the announcement from Pelosi suggests that maybe they haven't learned those lessons, and they believe that they need to to to continue to move in in that progressive direction. But to your guys point, who knows is this an act of sabotage? Is this something something else? I really don't know. It's too early to tell. But last night a lot of lessons to be learned, I think by both parties. Well, here's here's what bothers me with that kind of analysis. When I hear and you're a policy guy, so I know you care about policy. You've advised campaigns on this sort of stuff. I hear regularly about how Obama overreached with a bomb Acare and he was punished in the mid terms. They lost sixties some seats in the House. Who freaking cares. The Democrats got what they wanted, put using on, putting us on the road to universal healthcare, and the same here if Nancy Polosi gets the turn us into France bills through who cares? If they get punished next year? They won, They got all these policies that I hate through. So isn't it about the policies and not the whether they get punished afterwards? Yeah, it is about the policies. Except what I would say in this regard is what will prevent them from passing those policies over the next several weeks is the fear of what happens next year. So yes, in retrospect, you're right. If they get the policy and they continue to move us in this big government direction, that is, you know, that's not a good outcome. But we are still at a point in time now where things can change, and we're still at a point in time now where the election results from last night, which I think we're pretty significant, can still have a pretty substantial impact on what happens with the policy going forward. So I think that's the sort of silver lining. But I agree with you. Look, if if we've already had six trillion dollars at fiscal stimulus, I don't think people even realize how much six trillion dollars did. People don't now now we're talking about adding whatever it is, a trillion and a half. I mean, at this point, the fact that we are even sort of saying, oh, only a trillion and a half. That is mind boggling to me. So, you know, I think people just need to understand that what what the best thing that can come out of last night would be a recognition from a policy perspective that there will be serious costs for moderate Democrats who vote for massive additional expansions in government. And I think that is something that certainly could be a lesson learned last night, And if it is, I think that'd be good news. Well you read my mind. I was just going to bring up the prospects of the dozens and dozens of moderate Democratic congress people who are up for election every two years. They have to have take Can a lesson. They've had to have taken note of what happened last night in Virginia. But having said that, let's let's focus for a minute on what happened in Virginia. Glenn Young Can, the Republican came from a way down to to beat Terry mccauliffe, longtime fixture in Democrat politics. I also think he's a soulless piece of garbage. But that's a that's a little editorializing on. My parents have no business telling schools out of teacher kids. So you had him lose having said that, which is one of the all time great exposures. Uh, you can call it a gaff, but he exposed himself, uh, and what he really believes. But you had Republicans also win lieutenant governor an attorney general in a state which is increasingly solidly blue. Lani, Why what happened? Well, I mean there's a lot of things. So first of all, you guys have set the scenes very well. Virginia is a state that pundits have been saying, you know, Republicans have no shot in right. This is a state that went from being a toss up state into thousand four or even two thousand eight to having uh, you know, pretty solid democratic majorities as we moved into the more recent era. And then what you saw last night was a complete see change. I mean, you saw a fifteen point flip, for example, amongst suburban women in their support for Joe Biden in and then just one year later, guys, it's not even talking about several years. This is one year later, those voters went dramatically in favor of Glenn Yunkin and the ability of Yuncan to compete in the suburbs, the ability to compete with populations. Uh that that frankly, we have not been competitive within Virginia for a couple of cycles. I think that is that that's the biggest point that we need to take coming out of this, which is a lot of debate will happen over how much of Virginia is replicable, how much of what happened last night we could see in other states. But fundamentally, what young can showed is if you've got a candidate who's focused on state issues, he was running for governor, he wasn't talking about national politics. He was focused on what can he do to make the lives of Virginia's better. That focus is appealing to people in the suburbs. It's appealing to women, it's appealing to constituencies that Republicans have struggled with in recent years. So in that sense, I think a lot can be learned because you've got a lot of these states, Colorado, even California where the suburban slide has been a big problem for Republicans, and I think young and and Republicans showed in Virginia that they can win, and that's a very important message. So many Democrats think Twitter is the real world, and I hope they continue to think that because they will lose a lot if they continue to think twitters were real world. That's what doomed Kamala Harris's campaign, That's what it is going to doom a lot of people. But I would say you can replicate it if you can convince your opponent to say parents should have no role in the school's teaching of the kids. If you can get your opponent to say that, it will help a lot. Although Lane, let me let me give you the other point of view, which I believe, which is if you can communicate that the left is so down with the teachers union and so not down with parents and kids, you can take that juice and maybe run with it a bit. Yeah. I mean, look, I think that the position that Terry mccaulliffe articulated is not that far from where you know a lot of Democrats, particularly in blue states, are particularly those running for office, because the pressures that those candidates face, they believe they have to bow to those constituencies, even if they're doing so to the point of absurdity. The notion that parents shouldn't have any say in what their kids are learning is ludicrous. It's ludicrous in Virginia, it's ludicrous in California. But that's the point of view that a lot of these guys have to take because that's where the modern Democratic Party is. The point is that the progressive, the far left progressive movement, a lot of this woke ism we're seeing has co opted a lot of mainstream quote unquote mainstream Democrats. And so what TERR McCall have said is not some crazy, kind of like out of left field thing. It's the position of the modern day Democratic Party. I think we have to acknowledge that. And that's why the Democratic Party is going to have problems in two whether it's in states like Virginia or Colorado or yeah, even California. I think they're going to have issues even here too. So you know, again, we just have to recognize it for what it is. It is not a position that is a a a deviant position within the Democratic Party. It is a mainstream position now within the Democratic Party. Yeah, like I've said earlier, it only matters to me if it's if it's enough of a wake up call for modern Democrats to not allow these bills to pass pass. I'd like it if neither one of these bills passed. But you know, Nancy Pelosi is a salty old bag, my words, not yours. Um what I wonder what she's up to. What do you think, Joe? What the whole we're gonna put the the paid leave back in. Joe Mention has specifically said, no, that's a that's a line I won't cross. He specifically said that's a red line for him. And she's putting it back in. I've got to admit to being mystified. My assumption would be that she would feel like her true arch nemesis, which is the far lefties, the squad at all, that they would have the wind taken out of their sales, and she was gonna absolutely yank the party moderate towards the moderate and and get that infrastructure. When I'm mystified by this move, Lona, he do you have any thoughts? Well? You look in. Part of it also is while Pelosi may have instincts to move things back towards the middle of what, she also realizes that she's stuck between a rock and a hard place because she needs she needs that far left progressive base to turn out, and so she's got a turnout problem as well. We'll have to see what happened. By the way, the Virginia data is still coming in. Obviously on turnout, we know Republicans turned out last night. The question is did Democrats turn out and did the Democrats that that that mccauliffe needed to win. They clearly the part of this. Maybe it's now play. I'm not the directive domestic policy studies anywhere except maybe on this show. Um, but it just occurred to me. Okay, so the build back better things gonna go down in flames. I believe that, and I pray I'm right. But to help future turn out, it's now all about virtue signaling. So she's adding back everything that pulls reasonably decently, and it's gonna haul herself up on the cross. She's gonna scream and yell for it and demand it and make it clear that the Democratic Party is trying to get this for you, knowing it won't pass. Yes, stranger things that happened, Stranger things have happened. Well, I was expecting, Joe, you're a genius, but I'll take that right now. You're just flattering me. Lanten, candidate for California State Controller, Director of Public Policy Studies at Stanford University. Lannie, we could talk to you all day, Jack, you got one more. No, appreciate your time, Lani appreciated, always enjoyed so much. Thanks. Great to be with you guys. Thank you, you got it. I hadn't gotten to this quote yet from another Blue check mark. Lefty Republicans are able to feed their base misinformation directly through their news outlets. The Democratic Party needs to figure out ways two more actively court it's base voters on a regular basis. You are blanking kidding me. Other than all of the legacy media, elementary, middle, high schools, and colleges, yeah, all of the schooling, all of the legacy media, Hollywood and pop culture. Other than that, yeah, Other than that, you've got nothing. It's weird. Probably how to just just be quiet now, they're so delusional and so off base. The best thing we can do is just be quiet. I think you're right. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. She realizes it's gonna die now anyway. So let's put the good stuff in there that the real Wolke loved, you know, so so that they I'm on board with that. It's no longer about passing it. It's about signaling to the base. Put the candy back in. Yeah there interesting, You have any thoughts text line four five two nine five k f TC