On this day 60 years ago, 4 young lads from Liverpool arrived in Wellington on a plane to commence a week long tour of New Zealand. And they changed everything.
It was the Beatles.
It wasn't like we weren't warned. The week before was chaos as they toured Australia. 250,000 youngsters welcomed the band in sleepy old Adelaide. But the older generation were not prepared for the excitement, the hysteria and disorder that followed the band wherever they went. They were agog.
It was the beginning of the generation gap. It was the beginning of the rise of youth culture.
The Beatles opened New Zealand's eyes. The advent of international travel and of television meant they were the world's first international superstars and they were here.
Andrew Dickens chats with listeners who remember the day and the week. The adventures are legendary. Most were extraordinarily young and yet the time is burnt into their memory. Take a trip.
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When We Was Fab: Inside the Beatles Australasian Tour 1964 (Woodland Press). Andy Neill has ticketed book launch events at Unity Books, Wellington, June 21; Hedley’s Books, Masterton, June 22; Big Fan, Auckland. June 25.
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When you read my book in when you take a look, it's based not enough by man name and I need a job, so a lot of the back line, the story of the dirty Fount of Tannis clean doesn't understand sons working, Dave, it's steady job.
Body wants to be pa. It's a dirty story about a dirty man. He's not understood by his wife or Sam. This is what we're talking about. But there's a reason why we're playing the Beatles And doesn't this sound good? In twenty twenty four? Doesn't it rock and roll? It was Sunday, it was nineteen sixty four, it was Dune the twenty first, and the Beatles arrived in Wellington and New Zealand went crazy. Seven Days of Pandemonium started off in Wellington on the twenty first they arrived. They played concerts in Wellington on the twenty second and twenty third. On the twenty fourth and twenty fifth they went to Auckland. The twenty sixth they went to Dunedin. Dunedin went berserk. On the twenty seventh christ Church and on the twenty eighth they left seven days of total and utter hand aemmonium. It was called Beatlemania. It had hit Australia, but nobody thought New Zealand would be the same. But they had no idea about how repressed we were and how keen we were to enjoy this sort of thing. So that was sixty years ago. This week it was on the Telly you last night. It's going to be all week long. There's a new book out by a guy called Andy Neil about the seven days that changed New Zealand because of beetle Mania. And I love the Beatles and I'm not on for another seven days, and I thought i'd start like talking about it. At the number of the photos, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the impact of Beethillmania on New Zealand from this week sixty years ago. Now maybe that you're you went to the gigs, or you were part of the crowds or that sort of carry on. But you know, let's remember that these people are seventy five eighty eighty five ninety these days, so we are slowly just the same way as we did with of course Monte Casino. Over the course of the other week, which we got to its eightieth anniversary or d Day, we're getting to the point where, you know, the immediate memories have passed. But at the same time, the thing about the Beatles is they keep coming back at us, and they keep resonating through the generations. I for a while did not like the Beatles. It was Mum and Dad's music. Come on, you know. Then I was also I'm old enough that I started off from radio and I had to play a Beatles song every half hour. Every half hour. My god, I thought, oh, I'm not another one of these old songs. But that's how important they were. But as I've got older and older and listened to the music more and more of really, it's just how good they are, and how they were the prototype rock band, the prototocy type concept band, and how their lyrics expressed how we really were, and how they changed everything, how they came up with concept albums, how they just they just opened our eyes to expressing ourselves. So I would like to spend an hour or so having a chat about the Beatles, what they mean to you, how you came about them. You know, when I really came about them is when I inherited when my dad died, I inherited his ultimate collection of Beatles records, which he'd had for over twenty years on vinyl. He never played them. They were too precious. And I looked through that everyone and it's even got the Beatles rarities where they're sitting there and they got meat all over their lab coats, et cetera. So you know this suddenly went, Oh, I get your dad, and I love the music, love to hear your stories about the Beatles. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to phone talking with you.
You're getting all afternoon. It's Adrey Dickens.
Afternoons used talk Cizzy as out. My name is Hedrew Dickens. I'm here to four. The number of phone is oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text me on ninety two ninety two. It was sixty years ago today that the Beatles came to New Zealand to play. They arrived on the twenty first of June. They spent seven days here. It was the only trip they ever spent. Only at time they ever came to New Zealand. It was nineteen sixty four. Yeah, a big, big thing, and I would like to talk about it. I would also like to talk about and you talk about the fact that how the Beatles have been part of your life. Have they've come in and changed your life? As someone says, I can't wait for the Beatles' stories, like how they replaced Paul after he was killed in a motor vehicle accident. Yes, I know, because Paul has did. Because you've looked at the cover of Sergeant Papers. I know, I know. I'd love to hear that story too. That's a text from a guy called Goose. Yeah, Goose Goose said these worth no, you never REMI come on, come.
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Nineteen sixty three, they recorded that. Gee, it's so good. George Martin was the producer. They also sound good these days because Charles Martin, George's son, has been remastering all the records, turning them into stereo with the help of technology divented by Peter Jackson, and now the Beatles have never sounded better. It is sixty years ago this week that the Beatles came to New Zealand, and I'm looking for your stories about the Beatles, whether you have stories from when they first came in sixty four. Whether you have stories of your experience of coming into the Beatles. I remember going to see Paul McCartney at Western Springs Stadium and that's going to be what fifteen twenty years ago, and just being astounded. I always remember he did the Golden Slumbers medley from the End of the Abbey Road at that and I went, God, what are piece of music? It's quite remarkable. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eight years a number the phone, Howdy Denise, Poppa.
Hello.
Sorry, I don't know if you're a paper or a rocker, but I'm going to call you paper. How are you?
I'm really good and I'm delighted that this program on and my brother has just let me know. That's why I rung you.
Well, what's up with you and the Beatles?
Yes, I've got three quick living stories. I don't want to take up too much of your time. But few years ago I was fourteen and at Auckland Girls Grammar and the Beatles were due to come along past Auckland Girls and we were all allowed to stand out the front on the road and there were uniforms and waves innchies, at them when they came passed.
And you were allowed to do that by Orca girls exactly.
And the whole day was wrecked as far as lessons were concerned, because we all went back and all decided who were the most popular of the four. It was wonderful.
Wow, Well they see there's a Phila could Phil whould rather be of a story which I knew about, which would say that it would be sixty years ago that two fifth form girls from Spotswood College at New Plymouth were suspended for three days because they bunked off to go to the Beatles concert in Auckland. Oh no, they came back. They said, well where have you been? They said, you where to see the Beatles? I said, well, you're suspended because it was a magic time. But you know, those girls, will they remember, you know what they were went to school all those days? Or will they remember that experience of going to see the Beatles in the first place? That they will?
They will remember that. And my girlfriend and I. You had to get to the Star office in Auckland in Fort Street by six am on a certain morning to get tickets, right, and it wasn't easy as a fourteen year old to do that. But we got tickets right in the very middle at the front, and I was about ten feet from them. Wow, and it was amazing, and I couldn't make a sound. I couldn't understand why everybody was yelling because I was reachless.
Well again again, I've got people here who are saying I went to the christ Church Beatles concert, but I didn't hear it because all I heard was or reaming. And you know, the sound systems were insufficient, but at ten feet away you would have been able to hear a voice, I guess. And you said you've got you've got three stories. Have you got another one for me?
Yes? Well, later that night it's a long story, but I won't make it long. But a few of us hung about the hotel afterwards, and courseuus crowds there, but we went to Albert Street before after that. It was about midnight and there were some printing guys there in a printing press and they said, we've been talking to the Beatles. They got them on the phone. I spoke to Ringo and I said, if it's really you, please throw your signature out the window.
And you did.
Ah, wow, Wow, wasn't it interested in Ringo, I was interested in poor.
Oh well now, but my question is do you have that autograph?
So I still have the autograph. Yes, I've had it under cellophane for many, many years, So I guess one day. I mean, I don't think I ever want to part with it, but it's such a thrill having been there at that time.
Now there's a whole lot of you know, pointy heads who talk about, you know, the repression that was rife in New Zealand at that time, that how our youngsters, you know, were being a denied culture from overseas. They didn't hear Bob Dylan soon enough, or the Stones or this, and but this was a revolution, that this was an opening up of the minds that then brought in the modern age in New Zealand. Would you agree with that or is that just being a bit too ARTZI Fazi, No, I.
Would totally agree with that. I would totally agree with that. We knew we were six weeks behind England and America and the rest of the world. But I know when we knew that we were late and getting the music, and I had please please me and thank you for playing that. I know when the second album came out with the Beatles. I remember getting off the school bus and one was standing there outside our shop. We lived in a shop with that record for me, and it was the most wonderful. So yes, I think the whole music world opened up for a lot of us.
Absolutely, I get it. Yeah, I get it.
It was wonderful.
It took a while. It took a while actually for a true opening up because even I growing up like you know, back in the seventies and eighties, we used to wait for enemys to arrive from from the UK and maybe six weeks late records would have to be imported. It was a strange blanket over New Zealand for a long time. But one hundred ten eighty is an over the phone sixty years ago. This week the Beatles came to New Zealand. How did we change? What did you experience? How do you feel about the Beatles streaming live on iHeartRadio. Call Andrew on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's Andrew Dickens afternoons on Youth Talk Zed.
B Bears has hit Me eight Texas is. I was seventeen years old and I went to the Wellington Town Hall for the five thirty PM show Johnny Devon opened, follow by Sounds Incorporated, and then there were the Beatles. And all I heard at the concert were girls screaming and the first verse of Long Tall Sally. I remember the Ringo Sang Boys as this was his first concert since he had his tonsils removed, and that is true. Ringer was not involved in the Australian tour, and it was run about. I think it was yesterday. Back in nineteen sixty four, the Beatles arrived in Adelaide, boring old Cpold Adelaide, you know, and two hundred and fifty thousand people turned up at the airport at another fifty thousand town, three hundred thousand people out of the population of Adelaide turned up to see the Beatles, and it just blew Australians away. And in New Zealand apparently they went they saw what was happening in Australia and went, oh, it won't happen here. New Zealanders are much more balanced. Guess what it happened here? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty years the number the phone John Wrights. I was seventeen and I saw the Beatles in Aukland we grew up dancing to Glenn Miller and Vera Lynn. When we saw the Beatles, they were a total epiphany and we were a gog. Welcome to the future. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Synoprata Phone Tech three Andrew. I was exactly one years old when they came to Wellington, my birthday being the twentieth of June nineteen sixty three. But despite that, I was brought up in a household that played Beatles music constantly. I still love the Beatles to this day, but their nemesis has always been my favorite band, not the Rolling Stones, those hairy layabouts. Great listening, Andrew, and yes, I agree with that. And I know what you're saying with that as well, and that they get in, don't they. Here's another one from Lee Andrew. I believe the Beatles stood on a little balcony in Saint George's Hotel in Wellington. Yes, when I work their decades later, I stood on that same balcony and did Royal waves from it, pretending I was a member of the Beatles. Wow, so cool. Eighty is the number of the phone and Nick joins me, Hello, Nick, Hi, I.
Gotta I gotta my butteries. I don't think it's that long, but anyway, I'm going to say what I can. Uh, the Beatles was here, Well, I just I just come to New Zealand and I me and a friend of mine pick up the two girls in Wellington and the Beatles was the other time. And they said, he asked sisters. Actually they asked Messy the Beatles.
Yeah, and even.
The end they were staying in Sant George's for hell.
And uh uh.
The me and my friend took them there and we're writing and there's a guard was on the door and we couldn't go easide there and she asked one of the girls asked, we are they? They said, on the top floors of the San Georgia's yep, and God's good rap live from us, depend on the back of the golding and then climb up to the bloody fraud was seed it?
Yeah? Do you realize how I didn't?
You know?
The funny thing that is that there's an awful lot of stories about what happened around the Beatles. They were only here for seven days, and like I got a text. One of them is from Bev and s's one of my friends. Jan climbed into the hotel where the Beatles were staying. But once he and the others said got into the room with the Beatles, the only thing she could do, according to this text, was to giggle. And apparently Paul McCartney tried to chat, but this girl was so overwhelmed that she just giggled. I'm not sure which tour happened on. Well, there was only one by the Beatles. They only did one tour because by nineteen sixty seven they were not playing live anymore. Sixty six they weren't playing live anymore because of the noise and the chaos. But if you read all the stories that come out, there are so many stories of people just forcing themselves on the Beatles, and the Beatles, all four of them, and being in their early twenties themselves, seemed to ricochet a role through all these with great humor and great politeness. And they all seem pretty, you know, they seem like good blokes, and they didn't seem to take advantage of the extraordinary enthusiasm that these young girls have for these young men in any way, shape or form. And their story after story of their great humor, and I think that's brilliant. And by the way, you can read more of these great stories in the sixty Years of beatle Mania book which Andy Neil has written, and it's all about the Fan four coming to New Zealand and Australia in nineteen sixty four and will tell a story about how the tour it nearly didn't happen. Oh my goodness, meet Bob Carriage. Robert Sir Robert Kerridge didn't know who the band was. There was all sorts of turin and throwing that happened and the whole event, and he was almost like, why am I bothering and why am I paying so much money for this band? Because he had no idea because he was old. And in fact, with this Andy Neil also found the Carriage archives and in the archives were all the original telegrams that happened between Beetle's management in the UK and Carriage down here in New Zealand. Because that's how you did things. Phone calls cost a fortune. There is no internet. Snail mail was how it was done. It was done using telegrams. It very nearly didn't happen. It's amazing when you look at it though as well odeon carriage. Odien got the whole thing for a bargain. The book name is in Sixty Years of Beatlemania by Andy Neil, who who someone's my brain, Jiminy Cricket's having a word in my ear. By the way, Andy Neil is going to be on with Francesca Rudkin in the Sunday session at nine forty this morning and John Baker that is this Sunday, Yes, I and John Baker, who's a music historian. Apparently we'll be interviewing Andy Neil, a big fan of Morning Sight, at seven pm on Tuesday, the twenty fifth of June. Tickets from Under the Radar, good a, Jimmy.
I think they played about twenty five thousand dollars to get the Beatle to you. That's about all. So it wasn't a lot. Now in nineteen sixty four, I just finished it, enduring six weeks at home with my sister. And I'd endured my sister and she'd endured me as well, and so as a as a reward, our parents shouted us tickets to the Beatles. I was I think I just thirteen, my sister was not quite eleven, and it was the first concert in Wellington was the first concert with Ringo Star back on the drums.
Jimmy Nicol that's right and gone because he had his cons moved.
Yeah, he did, he did, and he sang. He's sang boy, And I'm going to tell you that in their whole concert, I heard three words close your eyes the beginning of all my life. Yeah, I screamed like the rest of them. There was a woman, a girl, a young girl. She looked like a woman to me at that stage it should have been about eighteen or nineteen, glared at me helping to stop screaming. You most will enjoy yourself while you're here.
You must.
We'll get with it.
You know, there was there anything you could do? Could you could you could feel the bass notes sort of?
It was.
It wasn't like this at the Orange Ballroom back in the day when you were playing some great mellow records, was it now?
Well, I'll tell you a story about as a friend of mine told me that his dad had said to the police, to a police officer, you know you're in front of of trouble when the Beatles get here. He said, I don't worry. We can handle anything. I was here marshaling the crowd when Gracie Fields.
Was For those who don't realize gracy Fields was a music hall to start and certainly not nearly as dangerous as two twenty five thousand crazed New Zealand Beatle fans. Hey, Jimmy, here was Jimmy. Here's a good story. So how old were you eight? I was? I was thirteen thirteen, okay, So I got this from genesisys. My mum gave me a ticket to the Beatles the five thirty pm Wellington concert and I got it for my eleventh birthday. And so she came with me, and she walked out going, oh, never go to a pop concert again, because all you can hear is screaming. I can't believe the behavior of the children. And Jane says, I can't believe it's been sixty years.
Don't never get I can remember it like yesterday.
Well, and that's how good it is. Jimmy, thank you for your call. I one hundred and eighty ten eighties now kiss you too.
My issue remembers issue.
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Sizzy Tix Thru. I was eight at the time when the Beatles came. I was devastated that I couldn't fly to Wellington from Blenham as if. But oh the joy to be driving around today with my grandsons who have every Beatles song loaded into my car and we drive and we listen and we sing, and they are impressed that I know all the words, and of course you know all the words because it's timeless and this is true, and I think there's a possibility to talk about Beatles and how they've affected a new generation. It has because of the film that Peter Jackson said, Yes well tea when I knew something was changing, and it's when Arim and Crowded House did a concert at Western Springs Stadium. Crowded House was the support, Rim was the lead, and beforehand this about twenty five thousand people there. I'm up on the hill. The sound engineer decides to play the Beatles on the big speakers and he plays to it to ride and he plays twist and shout, and I looked down and saw it all the people who are on the field going crazy like the band was actually there because they were getting the Beatles at full amplification at Western Springs Stadium, you know, and everyone was just screaming along with Twisted and shout and with ticket to Ride, and then the sound engineer went, we're on to a winner here, and they just kept on playing early Beatles songs from the sixty three sixty four sixty five period at the crowd loved it. In an on came crowded house and thought, that shows you that the Beatles has got a new generation, and they get a new generation every time.
Can I be j yeah, hi hi bj yes, edrewy, I am dream. I used to have a forty four of the Beatles and it was Revolution on Give the Revolution.
They say, that's right, Yeah, that's from the White Album. Yeah, it's it was John Lennon's protest against Vietnam.
It was.
A yeah, white album. Well it was actually called the Beatles, but they didn't give it a title, but it was white, so everyone just called it the White Album. It's a nickname. Yeah, oh yeah, mate, mate, mate, mate, I hate to say this. You're going to have to fix your phone and get the wire fixed in the back because you're sort of cutting out or you've gone too far from your unit, so go fix that and go and talk to Andrew later. Hello, Phil.
All right, Andrew in the seventies went to the Beatles when I was fifteen, and the cost of that ticket was one pound twelve and six, which was one third of an average wage. So you can get that into perspective. And do you know how I paid for it? In Lower you know where the Avalon TV studios are, Yes, And there was the Avalon Park there. It was a speedway and we were all young. We used to go over and watch Ivan Major and all that on Saturday nights. But the guy that looked after the part ran sheep in the middle and I'd go over there and we'd go over at five o'clock in the morning and pickle the mushrooms every day. And my father worked at Turners and Grows. He was a auctioneer at the markets and he was took in the boxes of mushrooms for us and sold them. And that's how I got there. Wow, but it's one twelve and six.
Hold on, look, I'm sixty one, but I'm not nearly as old as you, obviously, because one pound, I get that, what's twelve and six, that's sixpence, that's a five cent, and what's the twelve is there? What's that?
That's a pound note? Was a blue one, and then a brown note was ten shillings and that was yeah, and then two and six.
Around twenty well, there's twenty five, so that's basically yeah, ten shillings is a dollar and then two twenty five cents and that was a third of the of the average salary yearly salary or weekly salary or you'll say.
Week weekly, weekly. Yeah, yeah, we think earning five pounds in those days you could buy a three bedroom house and lower hearts for six grand, you know, so that's all.
That's all right.
I went to Liverpool and we went to the Beople's Museum. Have you been there?
No?
No, I'd like to because the Imagine piano is there, donated by George Michael.
And you're going to ruined white carpet, white walls, white ceiling curtains, playing in the bit of a fan and there's a piano and it's playing Imagine and that's quite overpowering, really absolutely. And oh a totally quick sequel to that. I was involved with the census last year and I was a nine I and there was this house that no one could get to and have a massive Alsatian gates whatever whatever. And finally, after about three visits, the guy came out and he said, oh, I don't want to talk to anybody. Here'd be my age and he looked like it's a bit of a dropout. But then I said no. He said, I having trouble with the form. Can you come in and fill it out? And it was unbelievable. I went into his house and I said, why have you got the gates in the alt station? He said, you'll see why. His house was full. And when I say full, it was full of Beatles memorable. I'm all around the world. He had sits on the internet, coffee mug signed. There wasn't one spare space on one wall anywhere. Yeah, and he anyway, he spoke to him about it and he loved that, and then he said come out to the garage. And I went to the garage and it was pink Floyd everywhere. It was a tourist thing.
It was, but it also show the progression from the Beatles to pick Voyd, you know, and oh no, I've got a new obsession. That's quite funny. Phil Hey, thank you for that cool one. Hundred and eighty ten eighty as a number to five. You do realize that John Lennon went missing after this tour because he had relatives of Masterton and and something in Masterton, and he's like, oh, I'm in New Zealand. I think I better go and see the family. And so you went off to see the family and he disappeared from the tour for a bit to Masterton. John Lennon, can you imagine it? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty years and number two? Yeah. Andrew totally agreed. Regarding the Rim concert. I was there, crowdwet nuts, cheers, hamish. Is someone saying Lee saying you call it the Revolution song was a single not an album? I said, yes, that's right. The album is the White Album and Revolution is on. There's two revolutions on there. But there we go. In another text, Andrew, my boyfriend at the time, drove the Beatles from Wellington Airport to the Saint George Hotel. It was a Holden loan by Mantel Motors where he worked. He features in all the photos driving. We did go to the concert, and that's from Tricia Manett. It'll be hecked off I'm doing this talk back. He'd love to do it. Maybe he will later in the week. More talk about this. Beatles Malachy happening nine forty On Sunday Francesca Ruggins Show when she talks to Andy Neil, who has written a book along with Greg Armstrong called When We Was Fab Inside the Beatles Australation to It nineteen sixty four. God says we had next and says the New Zealand Ballad of John and Yoko single is extraordinarily collectible because it's the only single in the world that has the word Christ bleeped out Christ, do you know it? And easy that? But they're not in the New Zealand single because that's the sort of country we were back then, Can they don Can? I?
Mate?
You're at the whereabouts? Were you at the Beatles?
We were at the town Hall and we'd been given tickets my twin sister for our birthday and and I'll never forget it, because you know, it was fantastic. But everyone jumped up on their seats that whole of the whole whole town hall, and I remember looking at what you couldn't hear them. We just heard the first few words and I look at my twin sister and she's got a hanky ripping, ripping a ripping a you know, ripping it apart with the teeth. You know. Amazing. And my future wife was sitting just above us, and she's still sitting and we're sitting at the Mount Mominui Beach listening to the radio.
Now that's so cool. Can you explain to me why the girls went so crazy? Why your twin sister started ripping a handkerchief with her teeth? Can you explain that?
It's just why am I here? I know exactly. I mean, they just was absolutely beside themselves. They went feral, maybe they went berserk, they went absolutely pursued. I couldn't believe it. But anyway, it was a great show and.
Great Thank you so much, go Mount Morganui. Mark writes. I was nine years old when the Fab four Queen Street my grandma appeared on the front page of the New Zealand Herald amongst the crowd outside the town hall where the Beatles were greeting the crowd. My grandma was my hero, as my parents would only listen to classical music as they believe that this new music nonsense would not last long, but not my grandma she knew better. I've done the Beatles tour in Liverpool, had my photo taken with the statues by the Mercy River. Love it and that is Mark Dave. I think you're the final call David. Yeah there, did you wag school? Oh?
Yes, along with six other young ladies, I wagged school. I found it quite interesting how from your other callers the different levels of approach by schools. Yeah, you know, we were. The next day we were humiliated at assembly at Avondale College for taking the day off, which we all thought was pretty bloody miserable.
Actually it was pretty bloody miserable.
You're right.
And were they any good?
Yeah?
Well I didn't go to the show.
I just went to the town hall for their public appearance. We were we were broken enthusiastic.
Hey day, thank you.
Right.
One year later, on this day in history, nineteen sixty five, the Beatles were in Abbey were in Abbey Road Studios and they had to record one last song. They already most of it. George Martin came in and said, I've got this idea, guys, why don't we add a string quartette and Paul you can read your vocal and they wake through it. In a couple of takes this day in nineteen sixty five, this song total genius. It was fun. See you next week.
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