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B I have always avoided getting into the Treaty principles debate because it's just too much of a swamp and you can get trapped in the thing. Either your for David Seymour's debate on a reset, in which case to some people you are a racist, or you're against a select Committee debate, meaning that the racist so called will call you a worster. Either way you can't win, both of which are gross exaggerations of what's really going down, and so so far I've avoided the issue. However, with the resignation of doctor Anthony Jordan from the FARMAC board, I find myself truly confused and needing to say something. Doctor Jordan quit over the government's treaty directive David Seymour telling FARMAC it's inappropriate for the agency to keep considering the Treaty of White Tonguey when they're thinking about the health sector, and Dr Jordan's said he could not with good conscience continue to work for the agency following that direction. But as an outsider, I can't really understand how the treaty was really factored into farmac's decisions, because if ever there was an agency that's work was based on need, it's FARMAC. Everybody gets sick, everybody needs medicine. The medicines work for everybody, and farmac's job is to decide what medicines work for New Zealand, considering we have a limited budget. And while it is true that Mary gets some illnesses more than others, it's still a need and therefore, if that need is great enough, it may get funded. I always felt the Treaty of White Tuckey cause was on the bottom of all the FARMAC stuff, just as a you know, box ticker. It's a bit like the belief that the Mari Health Authority and to fut do Aura's set up meant that MARII received priority in healthcare. And this is where I think we all get a bit confused. Certainly, your race in this case is a factor to be looked out for in identifying need, but at the end of the day, nobody jumped the queue. Once your need is identified, you then join that racist list based on priority. But anyway, Anthony Jordan has now resigned, and I wonder if he's ever considered that this will have more effect on Mary seeking equitable healthcare results from FARMAC than David Seymour's war on treaty principles. By the way, Dr Jordan is a partner of a labor MP, Shannon Harbert, and therefore his resignation to me smacks more of political virtue signaling than standing up for Mary in the healthcare system. I have a question for Dr Jordan. Would it be better for you to be fighting for Mary inside the tent or are you quite happy sitting outside the tent, moaning away and achieving nothing at all.

B I have always avoided getting into the Treaty principles debate because it's just too much of a swamp and you can get trapped in the thing. Either your for David Seymour's debate on a reset, in which case to some people you are a racist, or you're against a select Committee debate, meaning that the racist so called will call you a worster. Either way you can't win, both of which are gross exaggerations of what's really going down, and so so far I've avoided the issue. However, with the resignation of doctor Anthony Jordan from the FARMAC board, I find myself truly confused and needing to say something. Doctor Jordan quit over the government's treaty directive David Seymour telling FARMAC it's inappropriate for the agency to keep considering the Treaty of White Tonguey when they're thinking about the health sector, and Dr Jordan's said he could not with good conscience continue to work for the agency following that direction. But as an outsider, I can't really understand how the treaty was really factored into farmac's decisions, because if ever there was an agency that's work was based on need, it's FARMAC. Everybody gets sick, everybody needs medicine. The medicines work for everybody, and farmac's job is to decide what medicines work for New Zealand, considering we have a limited budget. And while it is true that Mary gets some illnesses more than others, it's still a need and therefore, if that need is great enough, it may get funded. I always felt the Treaty of White Tuckey cause was on the bottom of all the FARMAC stuff, just as a you know, box ticker. It's a bit like the belief that the Mari Health Authority and to fut do Aura's set up meant that MARII received priority in healthcare. And this is where I think we all get a bit confused. Certainly, your race in this case is a factor to be looked out for in identifying need, but at the end of the day, nobody jumped the queue. Once your need is identified, you then join that racist list based on priority. But anyway, Anthony Jordan has now resigned, and I wonder if he's ever considered that this will have more effect on Mary seeking equitable healthcare results from FARMAC than David Seymour's war on treaty principles. By the way, Dr Jordan is a partner of a labor MP, Shannon Harbert, and therefore his resignation to me smacks more of political virtue signaling than standing up for Mary in the healthcare system. I have a question for Dr Jordan. Would it be better for you to be fighting for Mary inside the tent or are you quite happy sitting outside the tent, moaning away and achieving nothing at all.

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