And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin and I heart Radio podcast. Welcome. I've put a little Tea and Stutterer in there for you. Welcome to and that's what you really missed. I'm Jenna, I'm Kevin, and today we have a renaissance man who um enlightened us with this conversation because there's so much we didn't know. Um. He is a master at what he does. He is absolutely incredibly talented and so so nice and kind and we were so lucky to get to work with him for seven years, so many years. And he's also got the wildest resume pre end postally from like the Super Bowl, mool On Rouge, what else did he do? Everything? Anything they're singing in he's either singing on it or arranging the vocals are both. He's it's jarring. It's the one and only Tim Davis. Um. We find out so much stuff that we did not know. Um. He was with us um from the beginning and he you know, like the main job that you would probably tag him for is the lyric guy, which he sounds like he hated that just that because of the amount that he was actually doing. And I honestly, don't think they would have been what it was without him, just between like the background vocals, his the arrangements, his vocals, and his ability to manage us. I mean Tim, Like if you go to any Disney theme park and watch they're like big specials at night with all the lights and everything around the castle. Tim is either singing it or arranged it. He has his voice and fingers and everything that has anything to do with incredible singing. Yeah. He Everyone calls on him because he is truly the best. So please enjoy our conversation with the one and only Tim Davis. Hi, Jim, it's great to see you. Guys. It's so good to see you. We are excited to have you and share with the people what it is Tim Davis Um did on the show. I feel like a lot of people UM don't know about the young sung hero, UM, behind the scenes hero, the background vocal lyric master, color coding star. We'll explain what that means along the way. Tim was there with us every musical number, UM and then from the beginning and then behind the scenes you were also off with our incredible back you know, background vocal singers doing all the arrangements and everything from the for the vocals. Um, that's like the summary. Can you kind of share from your point of view, like what it is that you did spending your time only? Yeah. It started out Adam Anders is the music producer, and he called me and said, hey, UM, I need a vocal arranger. Um, you want to do this thing? And I said okay, And so we went in and we the first song was Rehab that we did, and I remember there was another Um, there was someone else who was who was doing it before Adam got involved and before I got involved. And uh, they had done probably six versions of Rehab and right hated each one. Yeah. And so Adam called in and was like they had a meeting with Brian Murphy and he said, if we nailed this in one shot, then we got whatever. This is the series. The pilots, right, no pressure. Yeah. So um, Adams like, who do you know? Like this has to be high school students, it can't be like it needs to be edgy. And so I called probably twenty thirty singers and we came in to the studio and we just shot people out one by one. They would get in front of the mic and solo and we begin to booth and look at each other like no or yes or maybe or whatever. And we ended up with eight singers that night, um and Adam and I were both one of the singers, and we rehab We finished at three am. We mixed till five am. We sent the thing over and Ryan loved it and it was done. So you were bringing in like sort of auditioning the singers and recording and doing all of it all within the same day and night. Yeah, because you know how it is. You know how it is, and like how Ryan's like I needed by six am. But I also in the beginning too, it felt like there was just more time for these things because everyone was sort of figuring it out. But that was like that from this very beginning for you from the jump. Yeah, oh my gosh, Well it worked out, because that is incredible. Yeah, it worked out. So we we did those, um, the support vocals for you guys, and then we started doing guide vocals for you as actors and so that you could quickly listen in the van right over to the studios minutes or less. And then just and um, it was exciting. Man. We did eight hundred songs in six years. And all of them like master quality, you know, like full records in eight Did you have the same background singers the entire time? I'm sure, like if you rotated out, but like, what did you have the same people I had? You know, our demo singers were pretty much the same people change mind changed throughout the trying to keep we did try to keep everyone for the guide vocals the same for you guys. So like I remember Kevin, you had Drew, a guy named Drew. I had had Chris Man, then I had Drew, and then I ended up having Luke. I had Storm for one of them for the Michael stuff I had, and I was just and it was so fun because I didn't actually know these people. And then you'd go and you'd get these guide vocals that Tim and Adam and all these people had set up, and it just felt like such a challenge where there's the acting and all that and the performances and all that that it's a challenge. And then you go in and hear these people where are so much better than us. They are incredible, I mean just unbelievable. And so then you'd get these demos like well, it's aspirational, it's not necessarily realistic unless you're Amber. And I remember remember being like, I'm not gonna do that. I was like, well, yeah, you can do that. And I remember getting these vocals and like, for example, Luke and I would I didn't know, Mike, who is this Luke? This is so infuriating because he is so good, And we started doing all these runs and I'd be in the booth just sweating and saying every curse word I knew because I can't get this. But it made me a better singer. I think you guys made all of us so much better because we had to work up to the expectations that you were putting before us and these demos, because we had a certain amount of time, like you said, like thirty minutes to record a full song, and we weren't going to redo the arrangement because we couldn't sure. We would simplify it a lot of the time, but we weren't necessarily going to change the whole thing because we were not capable of getting it. Yeah. I mean, and who who is yours? Do you remember? Jenna Change? Remember Emily did some of yours? Yes? And then it was somebody who I think Missy May have done. It was Missy. That's right. It was Missy. Yeah, that's right, and I never I don't think you ever met Missy. That's the craziest thing. We would hear these demos, we'd know, these like phantom voices, which we would be like, I can't do that, great job, um, you sound great, um. And then and then we have all these amazing um you know, like support singers, background vocal singers who did all the backgrounds on all of these massive songs that you were a part of. That we like to take credit for that we were singing, but also on set, you were there making sure that all of our voices matched up to the recording that we were recording, to the pre record that we were recording. Also, you guys, because you weren't in look well, I think what many people don't understand is and what people are surprised about is you guys did not have the time to record all those background vocal parts and the groove vocals insanity. So we had to have those supporting you guys. And sometimes you do like a pass over over one pass over the thing. But mainly it was these yeah, in the very beginning and sort of abandoned it. It took a lot of time, right, We spent a lot of time in the studio. Of course we're not as those professionals. And yeah, North should you be because you're an actor an actor singer? Uh yeah, So, um, I'll give you a snapshot of my day. Yeah, that's what's gonna ask. I wanted to know because you have all the jobs you had to do and you were doing it every day, So what what did that look like? Um? I would get up and go straight to my dropbox at six am. All of the tracks by the way, all the instrumental tracks were being done overseas so that we could have this four machine rolling. The tracks would get put in my dropbox at like in the while I was sleeping for two hours, and I would get up and record myself in my studio doing all the parts of the of the group vocals. Um. It would take me to like nine and then I would drive up to calibasses, you ye, doing these arrangements and the harmonies that quickly still Yeah, but you know, it's like that is kind of my wheelhouse. It's just what I've always done. It's what I do well, and I and I loved it. That was the other thing. So I get to the studio in Calabasas around eleven, the other singers would come. We do a guide vocal or two, and then the other singers would come in a couple more hours and we do um like four to five maybe six hours of group vocals. It would be one song, would that be multiple songs? One song? Typically one song a day yow now tv TV recording sessions off camera recording sessions are only supposed to be four hours. But literally we would sometimes we would spend the night in the studio and sing through like when we did what is that by the dashboard light? Do you remember that? So yeah, oh um Paradise by Yeah, that took us like twenty seven hours. Oh. I'd go in and everyone you know East West and they have those rooms with the lounges with the couches, would just be like on the floor with their tongues hanging out and come in and hey, hey, hey, I need I need you, I need to I need to go in. Everyone else would fall back to sleep. It was kind of I mean, that was rare. But everyone's all single, no one like that's part of the the audition. Are you single, Okay, good, you have no life, you have no life, welcomed to hell. Yeah soo. So we would do that. Other days it was the same thing. It was usually four or five days a week that we would have this schedule. Other days I would be on set with you guys, showing you how the group vocals were recorded because you didn't know, showing you all the little different you singing oh oh and yeah. In the very beginning, I remember what was the pilot episode when I was like, we need a system. We can't just go in there and tell us they need something ahead of time. And so I came up from the dumb color coded it was not dumb, that's safe, and we used it every well, remember, yeah, we use it. By the way, outside of this, anything we've had to do post this, we absolutely do. The Tim Davis, the color coordination is the lyrics to the song. And then Tim would go in and break it down and say, like Tina and already were doing a song, right, and then my color would be pink and larties would be green, and each lyric that was sung by Tina would be green. It would be pink and then already green. And then if it's together. There was like a background color that was highlighted with the two of us, and then sometimes they got real complicated. But oh yeah, because there were eighteen people singing a song, but also because you guys were also learning lines for the next day, you couldn't necessarily like really no, so we'd be I'd come in the makeup trailer in the morning or the hair trailer and you go over it with you guys in your ear while you were being painted. It was fun. I remember once, um, because these backgrounds have been ingrained in my memory now where I'll be out in public and here one of the songs, not even our version of it, and I'll just automatically start doing the backgrounds. Like Home when christ and Channe had had to do Home. I remember we were in Long Beach and we were like in the cafeteria, like the real life cafege here wherever we were eating, and you came up to us and like, all right, everybody look at your lyric sheets and some of us were like yes, most of us were like no, no, we haven't gotten to it yet. And You're like, okay, so this is what we're shooting right after lunch. Here are the background parts, and you would start singing it out loud to us as we're eating, making sure like we know what we're doing. And I will never ever forget those backgrounds. And I and I also did not know that song very well. And but by the time we knew it was like when you didn't know the song really well and there weren't already like classic background vocals, you know, baked into it like a Sweet Caroline, where there were ones that like you had kind of created and crafted on your own that you're like, oh, this is new and different and really cool, like somebody to love, right, But you know, we didn't, we didn't know those. We didn't we we'd have to learn that as well. And then you know, we'd be worried about our choreography and what our faces were doing and what other lines we have that day. So additionally, like you were dealing with difficult people who are like, yeah, that's the last thing I'm worried about sometimes, right, And then I felt bad because it always be like you'd be there and you're like, you're there for us, for support, to make sure that we look good, right, And and I love you, Tim, And and I always knew that I was like, he's spending his time here. We don't even know the million things that he's doing off which you just shared, which is easy. The sur numbers, um, but then you know, like we did. Everybody was pretty impressed that, Like we were recording and you know, lip sinking to all of this, which is crazy. And I do have to say, like the lip sinking, I'm proud of how the lip sinking it looks good. You basically trained us how to properly lip sync with the breathing and all of that to make sure it looks legit actually sing right, yeah, a little bit, And if we didn't know it, we would put an arm in front of our mouth, or the girls would put their hair in front of their face and we would turn away from the camera. There was one number, um, I think it was, um, what's the Whitney song My Love is Your Love? And we're standing in rows and nobody knew these background vocals for some reason, and I feel on my back like and I hear like paper crinkling, and I'm like, what is going on? Somebody was safety pinning the lyric sheet to my back so that they could look at it while we were shooting, and I didn't know that. Yeah, and then I would do it to your backpack in front of the on the wheelchair. But yeah, I felt somebody like pinning a lyric sheet to my back. Tim tell us about the experience of being like around the show since you were there from the beginning as well, like how and then like the shoot up? And then I have another question follow up of like what your life was like after Glee, because I feel like all the movie musicals came out after Lee, and you did a lot of them. So I'm just it's a two parter. Well, first of all, I'm gonna rewind just the teat and go back to um, go back to At the end of the day, I would get home and Jimmy Levine was a composer on the show that did all the tradition cues, and I would get home and he would have a bunch of cues waiting for me to do in my box that we're due the next morning. Were you singing all the what? So? That was me and my wife and um Alvincia, Yeah, that's you. Yeah. So I would do those like at midnight when I get home for like three hours and then send them to him. And then get up again and do it the next day that I have so many questions that we probably shouldn't talk about in public, Like I hope you were getting paid for each of these separate jobs. I was okay, good, he was getting paid more than us. He should be are you kidding? Ah? God? And to me getting paid? Do we get paid? I don't know. But the thing is Tim was doing all of that, and he showed up with a smile on his face and all the time. Do you remember a chick fil A? Times when I would bring chick fil A to set because you guys didn't have chick fil A in l A. And I had one by my house in Orange County, And I would come up that big, stupid like, I don't know what possessed me because it made you guys happy, it did. It really brought us a lot of joy. And then I stopped spending too much money, like I'm not getting paid for this, okay. So what was your question? Just your experience of like Glee, being around everybody, being on set, like watching the kind of thing blow up, like being a part of that just because you were there from the beginning as well. You didn't come into the monster, like you are part of the growth of the monster. I'll say this, Um, I was really um taken by you guys, with your kindness, with your openness, with your humility. M hm. You you really wanted to learn, you felt like it's It felt to me like you were like, I'm doing my best here to hang up. I don't I don't really know what I'm doing. I you know, and so. But but that was very heartwarming because when you come into a situation. I remember, okay, I remember the first day we were doing Don't Stop Believing on set and that was my first day and I came back stage and you guys are like, well, I said, you guys, that's not accurate. There are a couple that were looking at me like who is this? What do you? Please? Don't put one more person in front of us to tell us what to do. Um. But I was like, Hey, I'm Tim vocal ranger. What's a vocal arranger? Well, I no one cares, but I said, okay, so I tell you when your mouths are matching or if they're not okay, like okay. So then that was the beginning, and that was our introduction to you. You were just like the sync guy. Yeah, I had no idea. No, you know what it was. It said on the call sheet it said lip sync monitor. That was like, yeah, you're the lyric guy, right, Yeah, we need the lyrics lyric guy, lys lyric guy. Um. So it was. It was really interesting. I remember also because I was kind of new to this world, like I hadn't spent much time on a set. I'm going to get a chair for video Village so I can watch you guys. And I go over to the to the chair wreck and a guy was like, hey, what are you doing. I'm like, uh, getting a chair. No. I was like, oh, he said, I'll get it. I said, no, it's fine, I'll get it. No, I will get the chair. The chair, Oh my gosh. I was so scared from that point on getting in trouble doing anything wrong, touching like the popcorn at the craft service. Can I touch this popcorn? It was an education for me. But the things that I loved the most were like, I remember having a conversation with Corey. I love to ask people questions and talking with Corey I'm gonna say like the first week, maybe second week mhm um, and just asking about his background as childhood, asking about how he was brought up and he was so open and vulnerable, and m Um, it was it was awesome. It was amazing, you know. And you guys were so the two of you were so consistent all the time, kind warm, open, easy to work with, and that made everything so much better. There were times on the way home I would literally pull off the side of the road and break down crying because of the pressure and of the difficulty of some people on set. It was to have that massive workload and encounter difficult people on every level in the cast and the crew, with with producers. Um, it was a lot. Wow, it was a lot. And I think from your what you did, a lot of it went unseen. So you're dealing sort of like with this pressure that people don't realize and how many aspects of the show that you're dipping into to make sure it keeps running, and so all these people are asking things of you and they don't realize that, well, all these things are connected, and I'm juggling about eight different titles right now with like overnight deadlines on every single lyric. Guy, Right, you're just right, get a grip, Yeah, you just we can do this. We can do this without background book as we could do this without intro music and I could just go home. Right, that's crazy. Well, thanks for sharing that, Tim. That's um yeah, a lot of us, I don't you know, there's just so many unsung heroes lugly that like people don't realize how much pressure and you know, to deliver every week after week. Um, you know, like like even Zach Woodley like who never like you guys both like never complained, never had attitude, like just did your job and then had to manage, which we've talked about with Ryan a bit on the podcast as well, like people having to manage other people like you having basically coming in and being like having to teach us something, but people not knowing that like you're answering to somebody else saying they've asked me to do this for you. We didn't yelling at you because you're not doing it right, and then like you know, for Zach to have to manage eighteen of us in a room that are like I can't do that, and he's like, well, we're going to have to do this, you know, like I'm sorry, this is not I don't ask me, and like we you know, it's act like we had such a report because we were with him so much. Um, we'll have him on the show. I won't. I won't let him rebottle here being here. Um. But yeah, it's a a pressure cooker. But it's also like tim you have. I mean sure people can tell from the twenty minutes we've been talking so far, like you are so warm and kind, Like what you see is what you get. And the reason why Corey and all of us, most of us would open up to you and feel protected and um, just trust you because you are that person. You are just like a gigantic hug all the time, even in those most stressful situations like okay, just say these lyrics and everything's going to be fine and be all right. Um. And my one of my favorite things about working with you is because we were thrown together where you were just the lyric guy to us at first. Where I remember where I think you really shined was on the first Christmas album and you just got to like play because those arrangements are out of control. And I remember, for the life of me could not and we were sort of doing these harmony background parts for one of the songs I don't remember what it was. And you came into the booth with me because I was trying. It was it was like one verse and I was crumbling under the pressure, which happened alte and you you're like, okay, I'm coming in there. And also you were not normally in the recording sessions, and so then you were in there, and it was so nerve wracking because I was like Adams used to me, sounding like complete dogshit. But I was like, I don't want to do this in front of Tim, like he's he's very good. In my head, my Tam has only heard the finished versions, so I don't want him to know that I'm And you came in there like, oh, this is fine. I've done this on so many movies with like I won't say who, like I did this on this movie musical and I had no idea, and I was like, who are you? Like wait, you were in the booth with this like megastar helping them, like you're helping me now. And I also like, can you sort of like before you did Glee, you were doing you had been doing this. No not, It's not normal for people to be able to wake up at six am and just start together arrangements in a couple of hours. Like, this is what you have been doing. You've been doing this a lot. You worked on things like Mulant Rouge and other huge musicals. Like what was your sort of road to getting to Glee? Like why were you the guy that Adam called up? Uh? So weird? Um let's see. I you know, I didn't sing until I was in college, so I didn't know really that I had a girl. By the way, go listen to his music, go down, He's incredible. Yes, thank you. Um. So I was a business major in college and I got a degree, but what in business? But what? I I read music? I was an instrumentalist. I played the trombone, very sexy. Whoa I know? So um, but I read music. And so some friends of mine in college were like, Hey, we don't know how to read this music in our jazz vocal group. Can you come help us with this chart? So I went in and I was like, yeah, it goes bad. And they're like, oh, you get a good voice, you should sing with us. I'm like, I'm not a singer. So they persisted. I auditioned, I got it. I was with them a semester and then I took the group over. No lie, I'm like, this is horrible by no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, goodbye. And I took the group over and we went to many national competitions and won everything. Anyway, I learned. I think I really love doing this. What would I do professionally? I can't, So I'm just gonna get this business degree. I did sales for two years after talking. I wanted to kill myself. I was the worst in the nation. I had the worst numbers literally in the nation at my corporation. Um, yeah, it was really bad. I was put on probation. It's hard to imagine you being bad at something. But also like, you know, thank god you weren't really good at sales because you maybe have never would have never done this. But think about like dunder Mifflin. It was a paper sales company, right, No it wasn't. It really was. And I was in a cubicle on the phone and they'd say, what why should why should we buy from you if we can get it for cheaper down the street. I'm like, you shouldn't. You should go down to the street. It's the same product to give it. That's how that I couldn't sell something I didn't believe in anyway. There was a uh my roommate from college was working at a church and this gospel group came through his church that was really great and that he they were looking for another tenor singer. And he was like, I gave him your number. They may be calling you. I'm like, okay. Well they called me and asked me to send them something, and I did and they were like, can you like come on the road six hundred dollars a month? And um, I quit my corporate job. I sold everything and I got on this bus and I was there for five years. Oh my gosh, early twenties, and um they just built a recording studio at their headquarters. And I'm telling you, I went in there every day and I just played, and I was like, this is my I am so happy if I never do anything else, this is all I want to do is just like record vocals. And I would stack myself up and you know, just makers an experiment. For five years, I did that, and then I was like, I started noticing background vocals on records and I was like, I want to I want to sing on records. And uh. Then I was the ones that I was listening to. All of these background vocals were being done in Nashville. So I met my wife in the group. She was a singer. We got married and I was like, do you want to go to Nashville because I can't support you on six dollars a month and she was like okay. So three months later we moved to Nashville. I don't know a soul. I get a job at a at a restaurant, waiting tables, and um. About five months later, Uh, this lady came in who worked for Curb Records, and she asked me for a demo. I came to her office, she listened for a second, picked up the phone, called the biggest producer in town and that I wanted to work with, Like he was on my bucket list and this job on this record. Uh. And he called another producer, who called another producer and literally I was booked for weeks and um, I never had to get another job again. Three years after that, I started. My wife was like, I feel like we're supposed to move to l A. M said, um, in what universe? Like, I don't know anybody in l A. And I was working a lot in Nashville. I was doing really well. Um, but it was the kind of thing where she really felt like God told her that we were supposed to do this and I resisted, and I resisted. I resisted. I was like, you're crazy. God's gonna have to come right on the wall for me, and God ended up making it so plain through other people's mouths. It was crazy. I don't have time to go into the story. But we ended up moving to l A and I was terrifying. We had a little baby. I didn't know how I was going to support my family. No, and um, we ended up. I ended up meeting this lady who hired me two weeks later on Spider Man. I think was the first film I sang on, and he just continued from there and then then two thousand, two tho nine, I guess or eight. It's when Adam called me and he was like, hey, it's Adam Ander's and I was like, I don't know you. I really didn't. I did not, uh And he said, no, uh, we you know we we met on that we we did that thing together. I'm like, mm hmm, no, you do not, and I don't know you are no in Nashville like, you you know my wife, Nicky Hassman was my wife. I was like, oh, I know, Nikki, we've somethingd wet together. We've done sessions together. Yeah, that's my wife. Like, yeah, we still haven't met. He goes, well, we're moving to l to l A from New York and I got a call for this thing, this pilot. I don't know what it is or if it's even gonna go anywhere. Do you want to try this? And I was like sure, So Adam and I joke because he brought me into this whole thing and we had never we I'm telling you, we've never met, we never worked together. But he like, wow, He's like, you're the only only guy I know in town. So you want to do it. He's like, okay, because you if you work with ten, there's no one, there's nobody better. So you clearly had left an impression as soon as you started working. You haven't stopped. Yeah, yeah, I mean now, I mean spider Man, Batman returned. Have you fee? It's like enchanted now? And obviously the prompt like Avatar, what Lord tell me about I mean Glee was probably a large part of your Glee was a large part of your life. But talk to me about um afterwards, like what what that was like? Have did it explode? Did it slow down? Like did it ever slow down? Like? What? Actually? Yeah, it did slow down. It it exploded during Glee because you know, uh, we wanted to sound like Glee. We want to sound like Glee. The Glee usual about so I was I was doing so many jobs besides Glee, um, which made me, you know, I had to I couldn't do the onset stuff like I like I did before, like the after the first couple or three seasons, right, And so that's when Luana came in so sweet, so so um. It was during that that it was like we basically we need the Glee sound. We need to Then when Gale ended, it was like anything but the Glee sound, right, crickets Yeah, I'm like so yes. And then it was interesting. Right after Glee is when Jane asked me. Jane Lynch asked me to go on tour with her and Kate Plannery doing these silly little shows. It's incredible and you guys have been doing them since we did a Christmas record and we've toured that for the last seven years. I think I think so wait, well, yeah, but it ain't broke because you guys are if you again, because I'm sure they will, you have to go see them because it's absolutely every thing you wanted to be. It's so it's silly, it's funny, it's it's fun. I'm like the you know, Jane like talks about the Carol Burnett Show and how there's three people up there and I'm the I'm the schmarmie, good looking guy that doesn't say much and um, she's Carol Burnette. And then Kate Flannery's like the crazy sidekick. Who I mean, it's crazy, but it's so much fun. But our Christmas tour got canceled this this last year, but we're already looked for. They're back. So that's fun. And it's interesting because I thought literally after Glee kind of died and then things kind of bottomed out for a while for me, like I was like, Okay, maybe it's time to pivot. Maybe I don't maybe my days singing are kind of done. I don't know. And I was totally fine with that because I was like, you know, what I've done so much, I've I feel so fulfilled in that and I don't want to be the guy at seventy years old, going, now, why why hasn't Justin Bieber called me to sing on his right? Because I didn't see you know, you see some people who get so locked into their identity as a singer, who don't know how to let it go. And I didn't want to be that guy. So I was like, what what else do I want to do? And then I did the show boy Band on ABC and Personality and that was really fun, and I was like, maybe I want to do more of that. I got signed by a manager who died a year and a half later, and that kind of and then, um, I mean it, that's a true story, but really that happened. Um. I think it's such a key thing in our industry to diversify as much as you know, like I look at um uh well a bunch of different people, but like people like actors who will write a book, or like Jane really wanted to go on tour, like that's her most favorite thing in the world is singing on the stage and she had never done it before and so it was her like little dream and it's her favorite thing. Like I'll ask her, so, what's the favorite thing you did this year this say, like when we're on tour, like really this, I know you strings are so much joint and you guys are so good together. It's such a bringing it back to Glee for a second. What aside from Paradise by the Dashword, like what other songs like We're Really Hard for You, that Rhapsody and any of the Queen songs? Because I felt so um, it was incumbent upon me to get these arrangements correct to to what was originally recorded, because I didn't want to dishonor of the like Queen like the original arrangements are the way they rewarded them. I was like, how did they do? And And I remember Adam and I talking about this, and we were in the studio. We would do some vocals in the big live room that was echoing, and then we take a small group into the teeny like compressed vocal boot to get a different sound and go back and forth trying to figure it out. Um, those things really mattered. I've always felt like I wanted to be the most excellent what I do, um, whatever task I'm given. So this one, like any of the Queen songs, was a big deal. Then I remember another one that was really important to me was was Fades from the because Us as you know, I mean the grant is that the one I could? I think that's the one I couldn't think. I think that was the one I couldn't And You're like, I'm coming in, Why yeah, why is that one? Why was that one important? Because it's completely selfish? I just it was. That's so sentimental to me growing up and watching that film and being able to redo it. Also, I really loved the Christmas episode that you guys did. Um may have been the first first Christmas episode Judy Garland redo. That whole thing was magical to me, Like walking on that set and seeing how the set designers recreated that's set. Oh my gosh. Um Yeah. Would you say that the Queen or the Fahoo Doris whatever it's called, is your favorite? Like do you have a favorite outside of like the ones that are most meaningful? That was just fun and that you still listen to on the regular. You know what is interesting and and possibly offensive to the two is that I listened to the demo versions the guide vocals not offensive. I wish that those could be released because there's some incredible stuff happening on those you know what you were saying, how when you did those arrangements, how you wanted it to be the best and you wanted to be accurate and to do the music in the originals justice where when we would go into record the vocals, I feel like in every department, like if it was Alex or Adam recording as they also wanted that. So they would make sure that not only were matching the demos, but we were matching whatever the vision was for this song. So it was always a challenge vocally, like for Bella Notte, were like take the verbotto out of your voice, change the tone in which you're seeing this, like how you say this word needs to be rounder as a and so everything was you know, I feel like we're working with the best of the best in all of these different departments, and so to be able to trust you, to trust you know, Adam or Alex on the other side of the booth telling you how to perform something because you knew just by experience that they were going to make this sound how it should and be the best of the best. It's true finding finding people that you have that you're like minded with to truly um, because you guys, know, you get into some situation it's like who cares? Just do it? Yeah, it's fine enough, is good enough? Like embracing mediocrity, Like it's just such a it's so frustrating to me. I cannot work that way. Find I remember telling Adam early on, I was like, you know, you're an anomaly because most music producers are instrumentalists and they don't know how to produce vocals. They don't know how to speak to singers, they don't know how to arrange, they don't know how to produce singers. Vocal producing I think people don't also realize is a separate thing. It is such a talent and such a skill. It's such a separate skill. But Adam is one of the few guys that had both and his brother as well. So um, I was just always so impressed because I can't do what Adam and we would have this conversation, I'm like, I can't do what you can do as far as instrumentally, because he's a fantastic musician bass player. What am I going to do bring my trombone out and making track? Yes, I think I think that's the that's the thing. You got have to experience that too. When you find people at such a high level that do what they do at such a high level, it raises the bar for you and it's it's so inspiring. Yeah, yeah, it's you know, when we were tired and having to it's like, oh, we have our lunch break and we're having to record this song. But we didn't ever want to show up and not you know, meet the challenge of that song and let you guys down because you guys worked. We knew to a tiny extent, not the full extent of how much time and work and energy you we're all putting into every single record that we were doing. And so it did. It was inspiring. I got excited to go. I mean also for me because I'm like I come from music. I was very very excited because we got to work with people who cared and you know, go in there and like, no, this mike isn't right after ten minutes and they switched the mic out because and those little things meant a to me. And we've noticed those things and especially like working with people postally where embracing mediocrity is definitely like the thing where or they just don't know exactly well, exactly exactly the thing about we were so lucky at most of the people we worked with were at the top of their game, like even like Andrew Mitchell, Like you will never work with a steady camp operator like him if you're doing a musical number. Ever, He's just one of a kind. So it's there. We were so lucky to be able to work with everybody in each department who were at the top of their game, and we all most of the time tried to do the best work we possibly could. Yeah, sometimes we but the music was generally like the thing that I cared the most about because it was the thing I knew probably the less the least about, and so I felt challenged because I knew the least about it. I knew that I was going to be challenged going to the studio, not just kind of like throwing my crazy vibrato and musical theater tone on everything. It's like the recording studio is a totally separate skill then just singing on a stage. So that was we we cared a lot, I think about, especially about the music. Um So before we let you go, Jam, I want to know your least favorite song. Oh well that too, Let me think about that. Condoms are you asked what the fox say? Yeah, asked the good question. Jenna asked the good question, Well he thinks about his least favorite song? Um no, I was just curious. We've been asking recently. We've been asking guess like, what the what is the feeling that Lee has left you with over the years? Oh, my goodness, gratitude. I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful to have been put in this situation, allowed in a situation that used every tool that I had in my toolbox. Like I it was challenging seven musically, relationally, um yeah, personally, just like managing myself, managing my emotions, managing the people that were under me, managing the singers, managing the personalities. Um yeah, gosh, I grew so much. I'm just seriously, the biggest word is gratitude. I'm just so grateful to have done it and to met all the people that I have and worked at such a high level. There will never be another Glee. There never was anything before it, especially for singers in this community. There never will be again because no one's going to spend that money. That is very true, very true, and I just want to still a little like addition, another job that Tim had that I just remembered is that when we were setting up the first tour, I guess who was also there, Tim teaching us how that's right, Oh my gosh. He was there all the time. He did everything for his arrangements. Special memory too, is when we went to the Phillies game and you guys sang the national We just talked about that. That was really cool, really really cool that arrangement as well. Yeah, arrangement watch an Amber. Just we were just there to support Amber. Yeah, we really were, really we were just look cute. Uh, Tim, You're You're the best. It was really so wonderful to chat with you and like really good to see you. Um, super honored that you guys have me on this. Oh my gosh, you really couldn't do it with the sweetest soul. Thank you so much for spending so much time with us and opening up. Thanks you guys, say hi to the fam for us. The sweetest man, the sweetest Thank you Tim for coming on here and talking And how how did he do that for so long? I honestly don't know. I'm actually really surprised. That the amount of time and the amount that he did, we saw something like just a of it. Yeah, exactly. And I feel and again like that was his attitude the whole time on during the show, Like you know, he never showed when he would break down and cry on the side of constant professional. Yeah, no, truly, And but he cared. You can tell he cared a lot. And he was having to manage a lot of personalities as well, definitely, And he was multiple people, like different groups of people from the studio singers and guide singers and the producers and us, and you know, that's a lot. I have to say. I'm sure you feel the same way that doing this podcast, being able to discuss at length with a lot of our cast members and crew members that how little I really knew about what everybody was doing, because yeah, and I don't think, yeah, like I knew to an extent of what Tim was doing, but but we're really not fully No. I feel like in my head I didn't even know he was doing the arrangements until the Christmas album because he was there well. And I also didn't know that he did all those um he was doing all the art, like the orchestration's voices, like the vocals on the intros and all from Jimmy like that's Tim also has a great UM podcast, so really good guests, Yes, incredible guests. So just go look up I'm waiting and consume everything he does. Um He's wonderful. Join us next week. Thank you guys for listening again and hanging out with us. And that's what you really missed. I took it. It's fine, Jenna, I took it in the beginning. So ye, thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write us a review and leave us five stars. See you next time.