And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to you, and that's what you really missed, A very special episode with Jenna Shwitz and Kevin McHale and Jenna. Today we have one of I would say, one of the heartbeats of Glee, our thirteenth Glee club member exactly. He was there for almost every single musical number, literally physically shot almost every single Glee performance and was there from the pilot to the end and remained this sweet, kind, talented man that he always has been. It's the one and only mister Andrew Mitchell. Yes, so enjoy our conversation with the a camera operator and steadicam master Andrew Mitch. Andrew, Hi, thank you for doing this. Thanks for you know, coming on here and making the time. We know you're busy. I'm flattered, man, It's awesome. I appreciate the appreciate you bringing me along. We had to. There's no there's no glue without Andrew Mitchell. Oh my gosh. No much, just us performing to ourselves, just a mirror. Yeah. We talk about you a lot. Yeah we do. I feel like more than maybe anybody else because you were like the other person in the Glee club. Yes, did part of our musical our musical numbers. Thank you, it was it was awesome to dance with you all. Had you had any prior dancing experience? Well, he's a skater, But tell everybody on the podcast what it is that you did on Glee. Okay, So I'm Andrew Mitchell. I was the a camera steady camp. So I would do studio camera steadicam, which is the camera that you wear on your body and you can move around. And how much did the steadicam um way that you wore. You know, at the time we were shooting thirty five millimeter film, so in that era it was about sixty five pounds, you know that is. And you made him look so light. Yeah. Yeah, take a bag of cement and hold it in front of you and that gives you a good idea of what steadicam feels like. Yeah, it's really it's so wild for people who don't know to watch you do that in a full musical number for minutes at a time. For reference, I did a movie and we had to walk down an alleyway, right, it probably was a minute or choo scene and they just kept walking and following, and we're walking and the steady cam was struggling, and I understand and because it was like it's it's a heavy operating machine and he barely I mean barely made and it's um it's definitely a challenge. So you made it look very easy, which is a testament to you and your talents. Thank you very much. No one looks nearly as graceful with that gigantic piece of machinery strapped in their bodies and moving around us to like a lot of us didn't really necessarily know the choreography that well either, and so he was surprised we didn't have more collisions, right because in and out of each other on the stage, and you guys were amazing at missing each other and me. You know, it was a good team good teamwork was tea. Yeah. Well, and more importantly, they would say most directors who knew you, and like Brad Faltruck or Brad Peaker would say, Andrew wins in this in this tape, so get out of his way if you were, if you were in his way. Yes, I remember Zach saying that too. Yeah, exactly, He's right. You know, do you remember you guys are on it sexuals or hello, has Jonathan Roum? Well you wouldn't because it was Highway to Hell, right, So that was really I forget what group he was, oral intensity or something. Um. Actually I actually collided with the girl there. That was probably the most serious collision we've ever had on the show is Steady. They did this move where they were like looking away and then they turned back and do this, and I had pushed it on Jonathan and this girl I forget she was somebody special. I think that flown in somebody's relative and she came right around, turned and there I was, and we went, oh god, I felt I think she hit the floor. Oh which, yeah, you win. I don't one, no, of course, No, definitely the metal one. I feel bad about that. Yeah, we disced rather well together. Yes, we all did. We did. We We had a short shorthand at some point where we you know, we kind of knew, like Andrew's around, you look behind you, you look at your side, you make sure you know, we look at each other. So, um, it was a pretty special relationship that we had with you. And you were one of the You were you were the person who kind of kept track of how many numbers we would do, right, that's true. What we were kind of what was Romicle yearbook out and it was seven seven hundred forty one performances. So we had a little while, a little laminated sticker on the camera and each time we did a performance, we would check it off. I think the music side of Glee says we did more, which you probably did because of the albums you did outside. Yeah, I think so we didn't actually shoot, right, how many of those do you think you filmed? Did you film every single one? No, because I went off to do pilot with Ryan, but I think I miss maybe five or six. But there's there's a lot. There's definitely a lot that many. That's like shooting a music video. Like yeah, when we shot the very beginning, we shot Don't Stop Believing, and we did it like over a period of two days or something. Yes, but it was so simple. Right at the end of the show, we're like shooting three musical numbers exactly. Well, that's how it would be scheduled, wouldn't necessarily to get there, so you know you you you said this really quickly at the beginning, but in a single day, especially for a musical number. You were doing three different types of like camera operating right like you were doing steadicam. You were doing the crane that people may not even realize that we used a lot on the auditorium and all those huge, wide, sweeping, beautiful shots. You were just casually knowing how to operate all of those things. Like, how did you like pre Glee? You obviously this is not your first rodeo, You've been doing this for a while, but like, how did you get into this in the first place? Well, you know, I since high school, I knew I wanted to get into camera, so I pursued it, and so at the time we shot the pilot of two thousand and eight, and I had been a steadicam operator for eleven years since then, so I had had some experience with cranes and steadicams prior to that. Earlier I had done high school musical two and three. I did have a little bit of a musical experience, but I learned so much on Glee with you guys. Oh my gosh, you know what's fun is Like you say we were dancing together. I remember a lot of people messing with me when we were in the quiet room. What do you mean, like, you know, if I'm shooting the performer by the piano, those of you who would sit behind me, there is probably some tickling and some poking, messing around talking. Yeah, yeah, Penny's a little Texas or Tennessee. Yeah, in the back of Milwaukee. Yeah, I mean, I think we generally had a pretty fun time throughout. Oh yeah, especially you two right there across from me. We had to get yeah, any good time, Yes, I mean, and I think for people who had worked on Ryan Murphy shows before and kind of been with Ryan a lot of this, his material was much darker and much heavier. So all of these crew members who have kind of you know, traveled across you know, Ryan's shows, were like, this is the happiest we've ever been, and this is exciting and fun, and you know, you get to dance and kind of things are a little bit lighthearted and you go. You don't go home going like, oh I need to you know, detox from that day. So we definitely needed to our days. It's just different. Yeah. No, it was definitely the lightest thing I think he's done. Snow American Horror Story. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly, exactly exactly. No, Oh, my gosh. You well, you guys worked so hard behind the scenes, you know, I mean did you Yeah? Who was there before us and after us? You know? And I think that was always important. We always kept each other in check by reminding each other of that where you guys had families, you were going home, do you still have to be a parent? Like we were just barely keeping ourselves together. So you know when we would show up, like I'm so tired, Like, um, they got here at four and Eli, it's been dark for hours. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, how did this You've worked on a lot of Ryan's shows or a lot of shows in general. I remember, like Penny saying at some point, you know, like, oh, this is probably the hardest show you guys will ever work on. How do you feel like looking back about the work experience? Like the workload of it was that because we had no frame of reference at the time, we were also knew that we were like this is fine. I mean, we were all used to it. It was fine. But anything we've done after it has been so much easier. So like, how was that for you? Like being the guy shooting all of it? Yeah, I agree with you. Everything after it was easier. It was. Yeah, it was probably the most demanding show because of all the performances, not only physically, but then you know, keeping ourselves together, the travel to like Long Beach, remember when we were headed down there to the high school, and even um, you know you mentioned like prep and stuff like I had the song sent you know, the songs were sent to the operators and others, so on the way in, I'm listening to the you know, the music to get everything together. And I would say it was, um one, it was a career making show. You know. I won my first my operating award off of the show. And you know when you do something that's hard, you appreciate it much more at the end. Yeah, right, And so it was hard. We put in hours, both both sides put in hours, you know in terms of rehearsals and prepping and and uh like Baffa and Andrew doing all lighting for each of these episodes. So yeah, yeah, you know, sometimes with not a lot of time. Yeah, exactly. So I would say in general it was Yeah, it was definitely like the hardest show, you know, with everything involved. And like you said, you go onto other shows and you're like, oh, you know, because you, you're probably not going off to you know, you guys are like doing a scene and then running off to record the song, and then running off to the dance studio, UM, and then running off to party wherever you partied. We'll have some steam, go to bed and do it again, you know, and then we're stopped for you either. I remember you had your like iPad or video monitor that you would watch all the rehearsal videos from too. Didn't you get sent the rehearsals, Yeah, rehearsals UM sent to me and we watched that and try to get things in order in advance. What was that room that you guys danced and what was that called the ten Ship and then the Powerhouse as it got we got bigger. Yeah. Yeah, they would send videos and and uh, you know sometimes there'd be a different dancer in for one of you because you're on set. It was just an amazing thing to pull all that together and to make it happen right, and you know the world loved it. What was your experience liked? Because obviously, like for us, they recognize us, they see us going around, But for you, was it what was that experience like as the show kind of blew up to the size and the magnitude of like what what it was? You know. There were two instances where I kind of felt like, oh my gosh, I'm on this giant like juggernaut of a show. One was I went to the Grove and there were these giant like posters for like they were doing like an episode launch on a giant scrap Remember that, ye. And then the second time was when we went to New York YEP. Remember that that was insane, Like you guys would get out of the vans and there's like hundreds, if not thousands of people behind like barricades, like cheering and watching and taking pictures like And it was at that moment I was like, Wow, this is pretty awesome to be involved, right. I don't know how you felt because they were after you, Yeah, exactly. I remember that because because we got to hang out, like we when we were in New York, we all got to like have dinners and things because we were all there just you know, to work, and we wouldn't normally all get to hang out when we were shooting in LA And I remember thinking how we were sort of used to that that had happened to us several times with you know, screaming fans and things in the streets, and it was really cool seeing your guys' reaction to it. Yeah, like in Times Square and you're like, what Leo was like trying to wrangle us all to get it done. And we talk about that because we feel like we worked the least amount of hours in New York, but just because you couldn't get too many takes and things because they're just screaming fans everywhere, so they had to kind of like take us back to cover, which is so wild. It was that was a phenomenon, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we appreciate it. I think there are definitely times where you're like, oh, this is probably not the best thing for my mental health, but also there's a lot of times where you know, you're like, that's pretty pretty cool. Yeah, exactly do you How is it now when you go out you still get gleaks that are I mean a little bit. We've actually talked about this because, um, recently people are rewatching it again, like a new generation entirely is watching it again. So we go out and Kevin said, he, you know, went to New York and people are recognizing us and he were like, what is going on? Are you back in ten? Is this? Like? It's like a time war? Almost. I had kids running up to me and screaming at me. It's like what is this? Yeah? Why was it a coffee shop the other day? And she's the briest is like, I watch your show Glee? Yeah exactly, like cool? Yeah, yeah, my children and their friends are watching a you know, yeah, the next generation. That's right. My kids when I did high school musical and Glee had to be convinced of its impact. Right. I have two boys, Yeah, that's that's teeny bopper or whatever. They were younger than that, and so you know what turned it around was, um, their boys. So as soon as there was a girl who was like, wait, you're connected with Glee, all of a sudden, it became very cool. Right of course, it wasn't cool for that, you know, just yeah within that age group. So I'm happy to see that, right. I have stories, You have stories. I used to go visit set all the time. Yeah, exactly. A little kid dressed up in his you know, jelly being costume or something. Oh, there's cut, right. They would go to what they called the bean truck. We've ched jelly beans. Especially craft service. I mean we were all most excited about the craft Yeah, exactly service. Well favorite if you have a favorite crafty uh hell yeah, you know in the mornings, I'm not gonna lie. They used to have those deviled eggs in the mornings and I was a sucker for a deviled egg. And it looks so gross, but of course I can't resist after my dead love. But it definitely looked like I had been sitting there for exactly, but I couldn't resist. It's very funny. Oh, Telly got me on this like avocado thing where I would go in the food truck as a snack between meals and just like slice of avocado in half and pour like olive oil on it, in salt and pepper, and I felt like I was being healthy. I don't know, but I loved going in there and making myself sandwiches and things. It was nice. Truck was my favorite spot I'd go out and the hangout in there all the time. Yeah, what was the hangout? Did you guys have a hangout? It was just do you remember Jenna? They so there was talk after season one when all of a sudden, it's like, oh, we have a hit on our hands. There were all these different things that were thrown at us, like as possibilities because now there's success and probably a bigger budget. None of them happened. None of it happened. But they were apparently going to get us like a really cool like trailer sort of near base camp, more in between base camp and the stages, a hangout where we could we could all hang out, so they could wrangle us, so we could all be in one place. I remember that, and I remember seeing like pictures or something of the possibilities, and then when we showed up for our first day of season two, it wasn't there, and the whole thing had gotten squashed and we didn't know in this vertus, I just thought we would get better crafty and we didn't. I was like better. I was like, can we get some like salad bar stuff? Can we get some like you know and have them on here? And they were like, look, we can't. We got we gotta feed a lot of people. There's no way we can get all this like expensive like healthy stuff. And I was like, all right, never mind, Oh my gosh, I just thought said having this galeasy Brothers on there would be a huge I'm just saying it wouldn't be crazy. Maybe we should. I haven't seen them in a long time, Yeah for sure. Okay, Andrew, tell us, of all the seven hundred plus songs, do you have a favorite? Well, I'm gonna pick my favorites with you two, all right, okay, all right, it can be your over I didn't have to be with us, It's okay, I can't pick an overall. Right. I just you could say, don't stop believing because it was the homer, but you know, in terms of creating a performance or whatever. So here's my here's my favorite song that Kevin did with Amber My love is Your Love? Do you remembering? Yeah? Yeah, I love this song. I don't think there was like huge choreography or anything, but I just wasn't still on my playlist and all that amazing. Um. Also, when Kevin got to do the safety dance in the mall, so you got to come out of the wheelchair and dance, and of course they put the guy who can dance really well into a wheelchair seeing him and that was crazy to shoot too, and like a real mall that was open. Yeah yeah, the people going by, yeah yeah, But you could smell it. Your mom was there, Kevin, Yeah, it was. That was a special day. That was an iconic time, right. And another another iconic thing, Jennifer you was if you remember your audition the girl. Okay, now here's here's the thing, right, it's the song and it was popular. But what made it so great was that right enough that that was our thing. That's right for like the whole season series. Yeah, so that was That was fun. And then one of my favorite songs that you sang was True Colors because I just I really loved that song. Yeah, that's an awesome song, right, it is a fun song. It was song. It was my first solo, very exciting, right. Some of my other favorites, I would say in general would be like, um, you know we did in Michael Jackson episode Oh my Gosh thriller. And then Kevin, when you did that one in like the Space Scream, Yeah, yeah, um, Rocky Horror Picture Show. Did you guys enjoy that? I thought that was that was hard. It was a really long days in costumes, but it was really fun. That was Yeah. We had a very fun director for that one too. Yes, right, that's right, Um singing in the rain, singing in the rain that or not did you get did you get all wet from all the um water in our everything? Or no? No, not too wet. When I do the pit pass, you know, the steadicam low, maybe a splash or two. But do you remember that day and the issue with the water and the bubbles and all that? So I didn't, but Ryan explained was explaining some of that to us when he came on here, because we had no idea any of that was happening. Oh yeah, maybe that was what was what was your perspective of that? What happened? So the issue was they built the tank on the stage and then inside of that was plastic to keep the water in, and then on top of that was carpet so that you wouldn't slip. Right, carpet had been shampooed right to clean and all, and this is my understanding, the snope had not all been removed, so when they put water on, all of a sudden, we're getting bubbles. And what we needed was that the clear, icy black water, right, and so it was just not happening, and it was like, I don't know if you guys remember, but we came there a solution was presented, and we got that hot tub anti bubble, which you're supposed to put in like tablespoons or one tablespoon per hot tub, and we ended up like pouring like four gallons of it in there to keep the water. Did it work? Yeah, it totally worked, Okay, And that makes total sense because Ryan's story was is that because they had put the water in too soon, it had created this like gross, like fungusy film thing and that, and so he was like, we can't have them get into a kind of Gwyneth Paltrow get into this gross water, and so I think he probably had them clean it, which includes the carpet sense, the soapissue. I mean, that's what I heard. The mystery. That's so that number was not fun from me. From you kept getting splashed right all over the place. Yeah, I was just sitting in water all day. Yeah. I was so, oh, well you were in the chair right in the water. Yeah, so you were, and I was just everything was splashing up on me. Yeah. By the end of each take, our rain boots would have water like up to our knees because they wanted to splash so much, and we'd be kicking and then it would end up all in our shoes. Yeah, okay, but look looking back though, is it not one of the more iconic? So cool, it's a great number to ware like, okay, in sure, sure. Yeah. I want to throw out a question to you because I had nicknames for everybody, that's right, but I've forgotten some of them. Okay. And you we mentioned Bubbles, which was Jenna's nickname, which came from the Lady Gaga episode which you were in the Bubble Outfit Bubbles, Then do you remember yours like Maddie Fresh it was a nickname. Yeah, Diana was pre Sess, that's right, Mark was saw Saw. Yeah. I'm trying to remember the others. And I did I have one? I don't know if I have one, must have one. I think the only one that I didn't have one for was Lea, So what I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to remember, but I if I hear them, I'd be like, oh yeah, because like, yeah, like you remember Bubbles, I remember Bubbles. Yeah, I remember Bubbles. I definitely remember Bubbles so well. Were you you were also like one of the crew members that was there the whole time? Yeah, which was that's crazy, that's really great, and I feel like a lot of your department was there the whole time. Like there seemed to be little turnover, yeah, which is very good family. Good family. Yeah. Is that normal? Like for a show that lasts for six seasons, do you normally have more turnovers than that? I would think so there'll be certain shows that you and this one was such a special show. I think people wanted to stay with it. It became very close. Yeah, we were still we were all very close working together. When you go through that together, it kind of means something special. Yeah, like in New York or something, when you the fans see all of us filming together and you're seeing that sort of for the first time. It's like to us, the show is obviously not us, it's all of us, Like when we're thinking about doing the show or what it means to us, or like when people would say, oh, what do you miss about it was like, oh, just being around everyone every day because there was we were all very close. But I think you know, the world or whatever only sees the people who are on the screen, obviously, but there's a whole gigantic family slash army that shows up every single day in those long hours to make it happen, and luck we all really liked each other, you know, like it wasn't just the cast I got along. It was like we all, you know, for the most part, all got along really well, with the crew and all the different departments. I mean, we see each other all day long, and we're together and we're working together, and it's it was great. It was like even when people were in bad moods and our crew was still so happy and smiling, You're like, get me out of this bad mood and like put myself, you know, just smack myself into like a little bit of perspective here, you know. So that was it coming to set. Did it? Did it? Definitely did sometimes most of the time. Did sometimes you come in with a good mood and then leave it not because of the crew, but yes, yes, And there were definitely times where I thought, today, it's going to be a good day, and then you kind of get stuck in this like this is not how I thought today. It was getting I think that happens in every department. You had a really hard job as a steadicam operator with the numbers, So I'm curious was there a number that you thought, oh, my gosh, this is so difficult to get through. Um. You know, I could go back to any any UM sectionals or regionals or whatever where we would continue this song and you wouldn't stop, So that would that would really kill you, and they wouldn't kill me because I I did make it through all of them. I don't think we ever had to stop a take because I was exhausted. But if you remember, well, it was the Jonathan Groff song Highway to They did two songs in a row. I forget what they won. One was whatever, that one was my Bohemian Yeah, yeah, that song was more. That was longer than we had film. We had the magazines which were four hundred feet. Yeah, they lasted like four minutes and fifty seconds and the song was like five minutes and twelve seconds. So we could never get the entire take on one magazine. So we were starting to do we would we would do one where I would start at the beginning and do the do the song, and then we would always lose the last twenty seconds, and then we would do another take where I started like thirty seconds in that we would get ending. But that was definitely tiring wild I mean that's that's actually they're movie where we had a lot to cover. They're very physical. That was a super physical one. There is one I mean in terms of that. If you remember, Corey Corona was my my daughter Ryan had a nickname. But I'm not going to say, um it's cute. I have to talk about GIF why later with it? Anyway? You know how the stages come together and there's the pit, right ye Corey say my life several times. One time we were like, I was like stepping from the stage over to another section beside the pit, and literally there's a triangle of air right. No, and literally I'm backing up and he's usually like pressing me into place and this and that. I didn't like to be touched. I was like, don't touch me, just talk to me, right and literally I'm coming around and they just put their hands down and supported me as I walked over. I have no idea if they hadn't done that, it would have fallen in a pit, which is I don't know that I ever felt my God, but I didn't see you fall. I never saw you fall. I don't think I fell on that show. Wow, because so many times you probably should have. Yeah, you didn't, I know, we found my bad fell I mean, that's also probably why we didn't run into you, because Corey was always just right there. Ye offending you actually quiet, quiet, angel I did you did? So we're going the first season. We're going. We're at Long Beach, the conference center whatever, the exposed center, oh yes, and we're pushing in through the doorway and there was a sign up top and so on a wide lens, it didn't look as grand or we couldn't get as closed. So they put me on this tight lens. But they wanted them move to look fast, and it moves look faster on wider lenses, and they put me on a tighter lens. And so I was going through and so since I had to go so fast, I caught my foot on that tiny little door jam, which was only like a tiny little bit, but it was when you when you run fast, you kind of throw the weight in front of you and catch up to it, right, And so I did that boom, and my rig just landed on the ground, popped out of my arm and fell over to the side. Right. But Corey comes up to me and he says, Andrew, I right before this take I was going to tell you to be careful because I thought it was going to happen. It was just anyway moment, But I remember that. I don't remember you going down. Oh. I was going to tell him, but I didn't want to, you know, because he put something into somebody's mind too. Right, right, right, I should crash your car. It's like, don't tell him that, right, exactly, exactly. Wow, you guys remember doing celebrations the three hundred, four hundred and all that, Yes, which was only possible because you were keeping track. I feel like nobody else is keeping track of what we were doing track, and we kind of like forced our hand with Fox to make a deal out of it, right, I think maybe it was our first I think. So there's a big sign made. Who did the pin You did the ping pong balls where you wrote all the names of the songs on them and the numbers, right, that's right, that was four hundred and dumped him over Zack and Brooke. That's awesome. Like, my goodness, I'm trying to remember five hundred was in the cafeteria at that high school near by at Bernstein. Yeah, remember de Breezy singing his little rap song? Yes, yes, y good memories. It was so fun they were You guys really pulled out all the stops, kept us kind of still in the show and keeping things fun and light and knockings. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You guys are far from monsters for sure. Oh my god, those fuzzy ones, your kids beds. We can have a whole episode, I'm sure because Andrew he's done a lot of shows. We could ask all kinds of dirt. Oh my gosh, sweet different exactly. Yeah, the show that came out that was dirt and they anyway, I got warning not to participate. It's a good idea, that's right, a dirt Which one of you took the most slushies? Kevin? Whoever? Wherever Kevin's screen is, it's vins me. How many slushies did you get in a wheelchair where it was like in the middle of the hallway. I it was eighteen? I think it was eighteen. That was crazy? Person had two? Yeah, that was cold. Did you have to do it twice? Like? It's a good thing. I don't want kids because I don't think I'll be able to have this. Did you have to do do it twice? Yep? And I was not. We did. We did it twice, and I was not stoked about that because I was like, direct, I mean, it's not gonna get any better, did it? I think? Fouchuck? Yea, we got it, didn't we get it? And we did it purposely slow to make sure that we got everyone and that it worked and it they wanted a safety and I was like, you've got to be kidding me, Andrew, did you ever get um like in Slushy Fire? Did you ever get slushy? So I um metaphorically I did. Can I do two slushy stories? Yes? Okay? So that you're we're doing like one of those sectionals regionals I don't know, with all kinds of names for those things. And I went up to one of the characters. Remember the one where at the end you guys all do um confetti out of the slush. Yeah? It was like, was it likely? Yeah? Okay, So one of our original songs, and I went up to one of the characters and I said, at the end of the song, will you throw that confetti right at me? Right? And so in my mind I'm thinking throw it right at the lens right, SETTI taking a string like this, that whole cup of confetti went right here, right. Gosh. That's my one slush story. The other one is um on the Pilot if I don't know if a lot of people know this, but the one where Lee gets the slushy interface, the very first one that we did. That was a one take deal. We did it once. Wow. Super stoked about that anyway, Yeah, because I don't think we ever did it again where it was just one take on they were experimenting with like jel Yeah. Yeah, we watched that episode and it didn't work. It doesn't look right. Yeah, I didn't. Here's my third slushy story. I forgot give it to us Jacob Artist, remember Jacob. Yeah, so we're doing a slushy on him, and I came up with this genius idea to put a camera inside the cup, a very small camera like ki oh yeah, and then we fill it and I'm the one that's gonna operate that camera, right, and so I'm gonna slushy him. And I went like this and it was like a thick slushy and it didn't quite come out. So I went like this again and the cup just left my hand, went into his space. Needless to say, we didn't do a second take on back and hit in the face with a slushy cup. It's too late. I don't have any limits, legal limitations. She was a big part. The lollipop was a big part. I just remember that. I'm looking at a picture of Oh, yes, Katie Perry, So I had a lollipop in my mouth most of my always, that's right. What was that? It was a sugar drip. Okay, fair enough, give me my energy and then you're like, at some point you're like, this is a good buck. Yeah. Maybe it was like wearing the same socks throughout the whole basketball, but we don't want to do that. It was movie. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Oh my gosh, your audience know who Telly savalis. Maybe you know, I didn't know who Tells was before Telly friend tells. All right, what a guy. Oh thanks for coming. You came and yeah, it's awesome and was a snake SMIs and it was so great to see you. Yeah, that was really that was a lot of great cause. So yeah, thanks for doing that for her. So of course we feel we feel compelled, you know, to keep the Snicksmiths spirit alive. Yes, y, yeah, Kevin. Do you remember when I doubled you? Oh what? Oh yeah, yeah, wait what you tell? You tell Jenny? What was that for? What was it for? I think it was for the episode where you have to you had to hide in the choiring because there was a violence outside, Yes, and you were sitting shooting star Yeah, yeah, and doubled for Kevin. Well you had my pants and like shoes on. Yes, yeah, that's right. I didn't in that episode. Well I did. I was outside on the the bus. Tina was in the bus and she was outside the school and was upset that she couldn't be inside with everybody, And so I didn't have to do that very heavy episode of shooting. Yeah you guys a little bit? Yeah? Yeah, who? Like I saw Kevin. One of my favorite things was seeing Kevin in the STD outfit Jenna, did you get did you get to dress up to? Do you remember this? Kevin? Oh? Yeah? Remember? How could I forget? Yes? I remember just sitting there and Washington Square Park at like six am, freezing, like what is happening? How did we get here? That was also, I don't know, there's a lot of There was also a scene when we were filming that yeah. I don't know if you remember this, but I don't want to say which scene it was, but nobody there was a scene in that episode where nobody was doing their lines correctly. Oh, and everybody got yelled at Oh, and I had I had some minds to say and nobody was feeding me the correct I was like, to be kidding me and everybody is off. Yes, I'm like, this is a bare minimum. I was like, that was towards the end when the wheels were falling off, Like, okay, can we your wheels were falling right? Did you have a favorite director Andrew that we worked with. I always liked when Ryan directed because of his ideas. He's I mean, I'm not brown nosing, but he's a genius director in a lot of ways. I've seen him take scenes that are falling flat and like Rye, so Ryan, and he was a creator. So um, there's that. There were so many good directors that had great personalities, Like I can't remember of any director that wasn't like pleasant, you know, because it was it was potentially a dramedy or whatever musical dramedy. Um, I remember who did um Rocky Horror Shankman is definitely fun. Much fun. Yeah, he kept the mood really up and and like we talked about that. Yeah, Bred Baker, you know some of the some of the core yeah exactly, guys than girls, and I like them all. I like them all. Do you have favorite You can't say favorites though, right, you get in trouble. Yeah, yeah, Well we loved my answer. Yeah, we really liked um, you know Eric Stoltz and Staite Paris was great. This was fun. Yes, so you're bringing names back to me, yes, yes, um, and we you know Alfonso, we love Alfonso. He his episodes looked beautiful, but the process was challenge. Yes, that's what I will say. Yes, I sound director, I worked with I worked with Alfonso later on another show and he was a gym. He was a gem. So yeah, no, great person processes. Yeah, and his creativity is just right there. That's right. Right. Oh, here's the fun one that was early on was the Mattress episode. Do you remember that? Yes? Yes, Van Halen song? Right? Yeah? And then was that not fun or was? I mean what's your Yeah? Well, and then to do it on tour, continue to do it on tour where we're like we had to jump on trampolines every night. My gosh, really really fun. Then you just brought that back to memory. I did work on the Glee movie or whatever it was called three Glee three Yeah, which which was like a blip in our lives, like because it was the tour. Yeah, it was like in the little tour and you were kind of like, is this going to actually happen? Based on the amount that we've shot? What do you? That was very surreal, Like we just I feel like we didn't get a lot of takes. We just kind of shot it like once on one soft number and then that was it, and you're like, Okay, is that what's what's going up? Yeah, this could be a false memory, but I do feel like during the because we shot some without an audience, just like for safeties. Maybe I should say that, but we did, and then we shot the actual performance, right, I remember you coming out on Steadicam. I think during might have been like one of my songs, so I think it was a pyt or something like that, and looking up and seeing Andrew and like backed by like sixteen thousand people or something like that. Is this did you do that? Did I make this up? So? The guy who did steadicam was Henry but it wasn't me. But I was in the back. Here's the deals to do the tight lens because I know who's sangwich parts following all the close ups. When Henry was the one who got to haul around the three D camera, it was like a specialty at the time to do three D and he was. He was certified, so I need to do it. Unfortunately, I would have had a blast. There is something about being on a live stage. Oh yeah, we're huge behind the scenes with nobody, and then when you're on a live stage with somebody, Oh my gosh, right on. Experience is crazy to see that oh my yeah, and everybody coming with their like Warbler jackets or their their Glee jackets, high and yeah, dressed up like you. You're like, what is happening right now? Andrew? What is the feeling that Glee leaves you with when you think about the show? Oh my gosh? Can I go back to the who is the lady who started it? It was here we Go, Lillian Adler, But it's very different. We is about opening yourself up to joy. Can I steal that? You can totally steal that. My memory is not very good. But I always remember how I feel when I meet somebody, when I do a project or something like that. I don't remember some of the details, but I always remember how I feel. And at the end of that show, it felt so good, But then it also felt like this can't end, right, Like I don't want this to go away. It was hard, right, I don't really wrong. It's hard but still worth it, and most things that are worth it are hard to do. So it was, you know, maybe like warmth warmth in my heart boy, and just a ton of good memories, you know, because all the bad stuff is just like I just remember the game stuff. You know. It was like we went to summer camp together and it lasted six years, really long. Yeah, that's a really long, awesome summer camp that you never want to end, right, Yeah, I don't know, how is your feeling at the end, you know? It was like that, Yeah, yeah, I think because we knew there was an end in sight. Once we had kind of gotten through that weird transition of like kind of being done with the show or being like ready to move on and then coming back for these last two really special episodes. That's when it started, and they did you know, they threw those parties for us and the big circus on New York Street lot on Paramount, which was so cool. They really pulled out all the stops for to say goodbye to the show and everybody coming back like it was really special, um, and it really put things in perspective. And then having all this time and space away from the show has been like awesome to look back in a different, more fond way where you we had some space away from it. So yeah, yeah, I got two questions, can I ask them? Yeah, you can do whatever you want. This is your show. Should I forgot the first question? I'm so bad? Am I going? That's okay? Okay, yeah, go to the second question that you can think about metaphorically at the end of the show. If you would have taken anything from the set, what would that have been as a souvenir? Okay, right, well I did take something. Well, I don't want to say that you took something because it's okay, no, they let us take one thing. Okay, there you go, So you're very kind allowed to take anything. So oh okay, so oh, I don't think I was supposed to take what I took, but I took it. I took the cloth off the glee club wall of the glee choir room wall. Right, Kevin took the wheel I took the wheelchair, which I was not supposed to do, but I stuffed it. Somebody got it in the car for me and Andrew. What would you have taken metaphorically, Yes, if you were to have taken something. If I were, I would have really liked to have had the lamp on the piano, okay, And that would have been potentially the banner when you guys won your first national Nationals. How cool. I'd ask to see it, but since you know it, probably i'd have to draw where else pathetically? Yeah, okay, I want to I know we need to wrap up because we've taken a lot of your time, but I just want to ask you one thing before we go really quickly, because I feel like the most iconic shot of Glee, which is during a musical number and it started and don't Stop Believen, where you go off the hand and into the light, that shot you'd probably you'd probably describe it more eloquently than I just did. Um you have always done that and it became such a staple, really quickly in all of our numbers, and I can't think of the show or doing a number and not seeing that image in my head? Was that how did that happen? How did that come about? Was that your calls that let me try this? Here's the deal? That shot was probably my career maker with Glee. Because we're shooting, we're just discovering the show, right Ryan, It's show I'm discovering. At Chris Batha's everybody's discovering. And you guys were doing that number and Corey and Lee, I do that thing and I just go up to the light and it was impromptu, you know, it was just and we so then we cut after that, right, and I look over at Video Village and they were just so excited and thought it was awesome and it made me feel super good. And so that was just like the thing that's where they're like, yeah, I want to I want to say, that's where they fell in love with me. I don't know if that's true. That's that's where I think our roman started. And so then why not keep it? Right? That was the kind of one of those things that we did, and I kind of worked every single time. I really did it. Was a statement. It's a fun thing, right, Andrew. We are so grateful that you came on the show and you got to share your experience. We again, we really can't say this enough times that Glee would not have been the same without you, without you, you as a person, and without your skills and talents as a steady cam operator and you know, acam operator. So we are just really grateful to know you and have you as a friend and have you on the show. Thank you. I'm flattered and I feel like it's a privilege to be here with you two awesome people, so happy that you're doing this and that your friends and hearing so much, so much fun then and now, Oh thank you so much, Andrew. Yeah, thanks for coming on. What a gem. Isn't the sweetest I know I keeps saying that, but he really is. And you could just tell from um all of his stories, like he loved being there, like our crew actually really loved being there too, which was really nice. And we loved our crew. They are they are family. We still keep in touch with a bunch of them and we really love them. We need to have more crew members like him on because I think it's hard to explain how close we all were, and to actually, you know, put a voice to the name or the feeling is really really helpful and it's so good to hear his stories. I also like to how he was just interviewing us. That was great. I know He's like, can I ask questions? I was like, of course, um well, I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Uh write in let us know and thanks for listening, and thanks Andrew Mitchell for coming on. That's what you really missed. Yes bye, see you next week. Bye bye. Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and That's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write us a review and leave us five stars. See you next time.