And That's What You REALLY MissedScandalous Gleek of the Week Katie Lowes
Quinn is in the house! "Scandal" Quinn, that is!
Katie Lowes joins Jenna and Kevin to talk all things Glee and Scandal, including revealing her surprising connection to Ryan Murphy, her many auditions for Glee, and song choice (she never got a call back), her awful babysitting gig while she waited for an acting gig and how Shonda Rhimes saved her from it, and behind-the-scenes Scandal stories that left the duo gasping!
Plus, the time the Glee cast got to visit the Scandal set and why Kevin had to miss out, the singing lesson Katie learned the hard way, and the VIP treatment she is now getting at restaurants because her hubby, Adam Shapiro, is on The Bear! This is a fun-filled one you don't want to miss!
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Welcomed you and That's what you Really missed podcast. We have a fellow podcaster on here today, a fellow actor, a dear friend, Katie Lowe's from Scandal.
Someone were a big fan of and actually good friends with, which is still shocking to me. Love Scandal obsessed.
We were obsessed, Kevin. I don't remember who watched it first, or did we watch it while we lived together? Like I can't remember.
I think I think we started watching it while we lived together.
That makes sense.
Yeah, and then there were nights where we were working and we couldn't watch Scandal. I remember us like taking our iPads and watching them in the.
Trails, or like hiding from spoilers and things.
So good, we got to go visit the set. Sadly you didn't get to come. That was really fun. We went to the Oval office. But I know, I'm sorry fits anyway, Uh, please enjoy a conversation with Katie loves hi.
Oh my god, Hello, are you home? I'm home up in my clawfice.
Oh my god, I did go back and watch I think I watched fourteen or fifteen, like Lambshelle's in New York.
She's pregnant.
We just you know, she just got the pregnancy test found in the trash.
You're like, I mean, I.
Just wanted to go back because I was like, I mean, when you have two kids and maybe it's just age and time. But I don't even remember, Like I was like, oh my god, I was such a huge fan of the show, and I don't even remember like character names or like totally so was about Like thank god it's called Glee because that tips it off that it's about a fucking bleek club.
But my brain is such much we don't remember anything. Oh yeah, you were on it. Do you remember scandal?
No?
I mean that's what I'm saying.
Anything, thank God. You know how good the I feel when like the fans are just like you guys don't know anything. This is bad memory show.
But there's seasons. It's like they all as one.
I make the same schedule every day, like the short term memory, Like I'm barely hanging on to what I need to know. But it was like two hours of shooting it and then it's gone for forever.
Same I have. Now, do you guys have the same thing.
So okay, So you guys have the amazing Glee rewatch podcast. Garmo Diaz and I host the Scandal rewatch podcast called Untacking the Toolbox. Do you guys have the same thing I do, where like I can really really well remember the pilot like anything from the beginning. Yes, then everything season is like three four, five six.
Yes, exactly right, exactly, oh exactly.
The first two seasons are so well, like they are cratched. Yeah, yes, like Mike Clangelo just really got in there.
Well, it's so formative and it was like coming up and you built that and you like built the house and then it's like a huge hit and then like just the train is going and you're like what am I doing? And then everything just melts into one and then your own life And do you.
Think it's because it's the first So like Scandal had the like a very similar thing I think to us where the show came out and pretty quickly did like really quite well.
Opposite.
I was actually just gonna say, I love we're all inrow.
Maybe I just watched it from the beginning, so we all.
Just want to like ask a million questions. I'm so bad at being a guest. I'm so sorry if I like turn this around and end up asking.
I think it was.
Actually I feel like you guys auditioned for Glee, Ryan Murphy, Hot Hot Hot, Fox Hot Hot Hot, big show, money, money, money, many money, all this stuff, and I feel like it was a hit right off the ground. Scandal was not. No one cared we were on the bubble, we were going to get canceled after season one.
I cared.
I care so deeply. We heard so much. I know you guys were so like, that's wild, So I don't it was not.
I honestly like, Okay, first of all, they they they we shot the pilot, and then they gave us.
They didn't even give us a full first season.
They gave us seven episodes, and it was really like, sort of this has always been a really dark rumor that I've heard, and I don't know if it's true, but like they gave us seven episodes as sort of like, we feel really bad that we're probably going to cancel Private Practice even though it had done six seasons. So you know what, we can't like do two fucked up things to Shondaland because Shawna. Rimes is Gray's anatomy and that's like the most gargantuan hit we've got, so like, no, we'll give you seven episodes, And then I remember the writer's room was going.
To be really pissed, like, how dare they?
Well, if they're only going to give us seven, we are going to write the hell.
Out of these seven. We don't.
We're not gonna save story, We're gonna put plot. It's going to be the most jam pack forty two minutes you've ever seen, which sort of became the ethos of the show, and then to sustain that through season two. But it really wasn't until the middle of season two where the show took off. Did Glee feel like a hit from your pie? Did you walk onto the pilot and you were like, the stakes are so high, We're fucked.
No, no, because the pilot aired off schedule because originally.
We were supposed to be the mid season.
And as a mid season replacement right after the rider strike of two thousand and seven, and so originally we're like, if this goes well, we'll get like six or seven episodes because you know, mid season. Yeah, yeah, they liked it so much that or we're going to hold it for the fall, but we were going to air the pilot at the finale of American Idol in May.
Whoa, So it was a big ticket.
It was, but it was like this false sense of yes, it did really well, but did we earn that or was it just sort of like the TV was still long for people still watching American Idol.
We do, we don't have the staying power.
Yes, we really know.
We were also like pretty green, and this was a lot of our first TVs. We hadn't tested a ton, we hadn't been on a lot of TV shows before, so this was like a first for a lot of us. But when we were on set for the pilot, like Fox execs were coming people like big, like their whole PR team was there, and people around me were like, this doesn't happen on a pilot that's not getting picked up.
God, that was not my first job. I could not have hacked that. See, nobody was around scandal. Nobody cared.
But we didn't know. We thought that was normal. So we're like, oh, I just hope I don't get fired today, Like Dana Walden's here.
Everyone like if Dana Walden And also Fox is like a scary like to this day, I don't have a single Fox credit, not a one. I've never tested there. They're not interested, they're not purchasing. If anyone is listening to podcast and works for Fox, you can fly that up the flagpole available. But like, I don't know what it is that that made that network seem really like it always seemed as an actress auditioning in those years, it felt like really sexy, scary, kind of cutthroat network where you better be famous and hot and something, Whereas like ABC, I was like I feel good here, like yeah, I don't know, wame and sweet awesome and like you know, Gray's was there, so obviously I felt like I feel good about women here, like we're good.
Not that that's like that. Fox was not that, but but it did feel for some reason.
Scary full like even going to test on the lot, like the Fox lot feels cold. Yeah, it feels very business, like the ABC lot feels warm. It's yah, it's all it is. Like even the room you go to test and you go to this all glass building you're on like the third or fourth floor. You're in this dark great room with these risers and everybody is actually in suits ciche. It looked very It was very.
I'm feeling nauseous and like I have to like go to the bathroom immediately and then.
And then you had to sing in that room.
H And it's not like these people are music people, so they're not like jamming along moving their head. They're just staring.
Do you have like I'm sure, I mean all the Glee, all the all of your fans know this already, but like was your audition like did you have a pianist and a come beinist?
Like what did you have pianists? Yea, just a pianist and the same pianist likeily because I had just in La. I had the same pianist for my callback in both tests, so it's the same person and he ended up being on the show as the pianist.
This is the most terrifying.
I have auditioned for Glee like only one thousand times and never got cast, like on like a totally audition.
Who was the castin Georgie again?
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, never gone, never got on that show. You I do remember singing Lisa Lobe though, Stay. I sang Stay for something And I remember when you audition, Yeah, anyone, it's a great audition track, like it's a good one, especially now, like I feel like it's it's still slaps.
It's good. It's good when you would audition for that.
I have this memory and maybe them making it up at this point, but like, do you audition a cappella for him?
Originally? Yes? Yeah, okay, yeah, I totally did that a few times. I did that a few times. And so they learned for Zoe's playlist.
After Glee, he had an accompanist in the room for auditions, but during Glee they were like, we just got to get this going.
Sing something. You guys, I cannot believe your jobs.
Yeah, but no, but your job because I feel like I love the Shondaland shows yes and doesn't.
Thank you, thank you. I have nothing to do with any of.
Them, but there is like this ethos. There's like this schandalin community where I like, I don't know, there's like this even in politics. Like I showed up on a on like a Kamala Harris HQ phone call. It was half a Shondaland, and it was like I just want to be a part of it, and they want no part of me. It's like.
Change you would both you have you ever been on a Shondaland show, either of you know.
I've auditioned a bunch though, and I'm just like I remember Katie told me that the scripts are always longer than they need to be, and so I got to talk really fast, and.
They were you get cut if you don't talk fast. You guys talked really fast though, but you have like a lot of wow.
So those are two things. And Sean Lynn have a common Okay.
Remember the tamber was like similar in our language and the way that we would all Obviously I was with a comedy and you're just way serious but still like you know, we're still talking very cool.
Yeah, talking very fast.
Oh yeah.
One of the scenes I just watched in that episode, I can't remember. It was fifteen or sixteen, fifty years and Rebecca Tobin is like she's like talking to my element. It like just so bitchy, like talking about like this is so I actually had that. I was very scandal pace totally.
Yes.
Yeah, my audition for Shonda. She my audition was the first scene of the pilot where I walk into the bar And did you audition for that, Jenna, No, No, killed Anyway, it's been great, great, would been so great.
But I remember the only note.
I did it for Shonda once and then she was like okay, cool, cool, great, Now do it again and like twice as fast. And then we actually shot that scene with Columbus Short and myself. They had a like a stopwatch and they were timing us and they were like, we'll take you did it thirty seconds faster last time, Like you're literally setting up the place of the show. You have to talk about mile a minute and I've talked that my whole life. I'm from New York. I love talking fast.
My mom talks past and everyone told me to slow down my entire life.
Yes, nice, but it really made it weird for after yes, because now I cannot, Like I remember, I was doing a multiicam and they were like, you know when we say action, you can like wait a little bit before you like start talking, like I feel like on Scandal, they started action.
You know, they were riving it up and I was already halfway through.
The first sentence of like my scene before they could either.
Entering halfway through a thought.
Yes no, And let me ask you a question, how did you do adr for Scandal? Did you guys do adr and how hard was that.
I did ADR all the time. It was so hard, Sean.
I mean Quinn had to do a lot of ADR because a lot of times Quinn would be at the board sort of in the procedural sense of the word world setting up lot and a lot of times in the editing room the plot would change. Oh, so they would put me yeah, because scttle was crazy like plot twists and things like that.
So things would when when Shauna loves.
To put episodes together in the editing room, she's amazing at editing and she's really close with all the editors on her shows. But sometimes plot would change and I would have to go back into ADR, and when it would be on my back of my head or on someone else's head, I would be trying to change shifts. I'm not even kidding you. In the in the in the seven second span that I would have said something like completely different. So it wasn't even about like matching my mouth and sort of dubbing, which is what you would traditionally do in ADR.
This was like finding I remember I learned.
Somebody died like in an ADR session. They were like, okay, hey, that guy's not going to wake up, and I was like, what, but that's crazy, that's heavy lived it.
Now that Yeah, yeah, that's right exactly.
That's we never did a d R ever ever?
What why sounds you have times you were in the sound because you were singing and dancing that too, and.
Our sound guys were really on it, like and not to I mean not knocking your guys as sound guys, but like our sound guys were like on it.
And you guys also never were you ever? Oh no, you were. I was about to say, were you never not on the stage? You were not on the stage?
Oh yeah, we were everywhere and we no, no, we we should have had to do a dr but for some reason they managed that we didn't have to.
And sound editing, yeah, I did a Okay, here's another Glee question that I have. Did you have so many forced calls?
Like my figure?
When I watched the episode I watched just to refresh my very very tired brain, and I watched, Okay, the episode I saw two days ago.
There was probably nine numbers.
Or something in it.
I mean, it's not like you guys were doing like.
Like the story in that one.
Oh yeah, but that's insane production value. All the stuff, and I'm thinking the whole time, no one's making their twelve hour turn around.
No, no way.
And for everyone listening who doesn't know what a twelve hour turn around is, our union says, if you wrap at eight pm at night, it is not legal for them to call you before eight am the next day unless they pay you.
Which we like.
But at a certain point it gets really bad because it means you're like not getting sleep and you're not getting any rest, and how do you prepare then?
And if I'm correct, there was a rule that after like two horse calls a week, you could say no, Like somebody told us that, and I would obviously I was a rule follower. I was a team play. I would never say no on that set. But like I heard, somebody said, like, you know, you can.
Say no because they know even the first time. I think you can say no, Like because I know.
Some there's somebody really famous.
I was just listening to maybe another podcast that does not need publicity called SmartLess, that little startup of a they want interviewing somebody, and I think they said Samuel Jackson or somebody.
Somebody literally is like that's a no. I do not do force calls.
I'm like, wow, I do a forest call and then I immediately start online shopping.
It's like, where are we going next summer?
Yeahes or calls?
Absolutely, we did.
We did. Did you guys work more like, how were your d's really long? Yes?
Yeah, I would say there's something in Hollywood where, you know, I've heard legend of this. I don't know if it's true, but that like when shows that have these long years, years running, like we were so lucky to have that, they do become super well oiled machines. People are doing under twelve hour days.
We never had that. Did you have that?
No? No, we did become more well oiled. But like in the sense in the context of what our show could be. I think it was operating by the end as well as it could have been. But you're never making your day and you're never making your week. You're never going to shoot an episode in eight days. That was just yet we never did done either ever ever?
Ever, So were you doing double up days like shooting two episodes and weekends?
We would do saturdays too, Not all the time.
Sometimes you even started shooting an episode and the script wasn't done being written.
Yeah, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That was most of the time on Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like so much dialogue were ninety pages long.
Sometimes a director would come in and they said, we just sent in the cut.
It's twenty minutes over over well in pages.
Yeah, people listening, what is a normal length of sixty toms?
Fifty seven pages of an hour long? Right, and we're doing ninety pages of dialogue and also not just traditional like you know, ninety pages of you know in an office, like we were dealing one hundred percent with you know, guns and airplanes and explosions and blood and guns and like all this stuff that was. I mean, it was so so wild. And sometimes I walk into jobs now and people are like so upset about shooting like six pages in a day, and I'm like, I feel like I'm like, honey.
Let me tell you, you know, like like exactly, which I have no business saying.
But still anyway, Okay, So we worked tons of hours. I remember the time you who came to visit us, so it was brook are you didn't come?
No, okay, biggest You and I were the biggest. We were.
We were had.
I had to work like last minute when you guys could go. I got called in to do something and maybe I had a record and I couldn't go, and I was. It was one of those moments where I'm like, I'm very lucky to be employed. I'm happy I get to go sing.
You shouldn't just come again.
I know, but I was. I didn't want to, like I didn't know you guys yet, you know, I just didn't feel comfortable, like overstepping.
So it was Amber and.
Brook and Brook. Yes, and why did you guys come? I came to Sunset Gower right where. Yeah, there's like a photo, it's it's dark. Sure did you carry Columbus and Germa? It was like very early, very early?
I Meanmas wasn't there after season. Yeah, that's right.
And I think Columbus knew Brook through the dance world, and that how we got on the set.
She's like, do you want to go over at lunch?
And that makes sense because we were never allowed visitors ever, and nobody ever let visitors happen except for Columbus. Short really that track, Yeah, he brought Neo, he brought like, oh, he brought Lindsay Mendez came to visit, like he just brought some real heavy hitters, you guys.
So you guys didn't have guests on set. That's kind of nice, though we had a lot of guests.
Had friends over all the time.
Family, no, I mean there were. It was from execs to music to comedy, comedy competition winners to family to friends, Like there was consistently a huge village all the time. We also are like doing like I say, we weren't doing like pages of dialogue.
Yeah, but I feel like it was.
I feel like my my cell I feel so relieved that we didn't have that because the caretaker and like people pleased her in me, if everyone was having visitors at all times, I would just have to be like, so fucking on and it's so EXAs and that's so great, but it's also disgusting.
Now.
Look, Scandal definitely made exceptions, like my nine year old grandmother came to visit and I took her all over set, or like if our parents, if anyone's parents or that thing. But we totally had to get it approved and like let people know that that was happening.
They kept it really tight, I think for.
Just because they didn't want leaks of plot getting out, and also I don't know, there was like I just feel like why that was the case. But that was the case, And honestly it was a relief because we've definitely done. Jenna Ushwitz and I played the same part on Broadway me years after her.
She was like the real deal. I was not stop.
But it was exhaust like just because my husband and I made our Broadway debuts together in Waitress the Musical the Last but we had visitors like every day, oh.
Yeah, and especially the two of you.
It was the two of us, like the entire every synagogue on the Eastern Board came to see how Shapiro play Ogi but I and family member. But but it was so like exhaust like it was just like, yeah, you for show, you like want to go home and lay down.
I always think about that because there's on a set, even though you guy sad to be on, but you have a lot of waiting. There's a lot of recoup time when you've just performed a show, especially in musical where you're singing for two and a half hours NonStop and you have eight shows a week. I don't know. I don't know how yeah you like entertain guests or talk to people afterwards. I just don't get it.
Sometimes it's a nice like come down, like detox from the from your like performance.
Yeah, sometimes you're like I got to go.
Yeah, you know, I you know, I learned a lot about and I'm curious how you guys, so tell me and then we'll get back to this. Like when you guys are sick on the show, what did you do for your voice and you had to sing?
Like what would you do? Do that never happen? Or did that always happened? And what did you do? Like complain and freak out?
If I had been on Thank god I never got hired on that show because I'm not built for that.
I would have a absolute heart attack.
And here's why I bring it up, because I had never had that experience. Like I'm an actor who sings. I sang in high school and then that was really it. But when I got waitress with Adam and I auditioned, I can blow the shit out of a song once. Don't ask me to do that eight times.
There's no way.
I don't think my voice can hack it, honestly, Like, I really don't know, and I don't want to make the changes in my life to have to do that.
I like milk. I like chocolate. I like drinking, yeah.
Between us, I like an occasional cigarette, like once a year. But still you can't do that when you're a singer. So when Adam and I booked this, we started like like never speaking to me each other and only using like our hands and like, oh, we exaggerating arm movements, which was I had a seven month old and I did that as well because I didn't know if I could do it. And I walked into the Broadway dressing room and I had a scarf on and an individualized nebulizer.
I want to know who was doing this on Glee?
Okay, I would take voice lessons that were extremely overpriced and hopefully worth it. I don't know, And I was like so conscious about my voice. Then I asked Kat McPhee, who was also a Jenna at the time that we worked with, and I was like, how are you going out every night to these?
Oh?
She can sing her fucking I'm like, how are you going out every night? And be cause she went out? She had people over after the show every show, and she's going out to the restaurants in the bars. And at first, the first month I did the show, I was going home and not socializing, bringing it back around, saving my instrument. And I'd see her fucking going out and she's singing eight thousand songs. I'm singing like one, like what is going on?
Yep?
And she told me I just the whole time, like up in my nose, like I talk like this, and that's how it daves my voice, which obviously I can't do as a person because that's so insane.
But what I learned is I just gate. What happened was I faced my biggest fears. I got sick, my understudy went on. People had flown in to see me, they didn't get to I faced my worst fears. Then I said fuck it. I went out every single night, drank like a fish, had cigarettes occasionally, And guess what I learned. My voice is like a brick shit house. At a certain point, at after about you know, the eighty sixth show, what I learned was is I can always act and figure out some other choice with my voice to like get through and sell that damn song and like live your life. And it was and I stopped warming up.
Oh my god, you got it. Go Oh I didn't be. I was like, I'm done being miserable. I can't do this anymore. And I started socializing.
And just trusting and knowing that my voice is really strong and I can do it and it is.
Yes, And it's also muscle memory, like doing the same song over and over again, you're like, oh, I remember how to do this. Even if you check out, You're like, oh, the words are there, They're there.
I think that's what it was.
Too, was like I got so good at the two you know whatever songs, I have to do that my my, like doing one hundred crunches a day and then one hundred and fifty and then thirty five.
I just got good at it.
But Glee, you couldn't do that because no, your songs changed every week. Tell me about being sick and taking care of their voice and how you had to live a life now, like did you have fucket moments?
Did you cry?
Did you it was all fucket moments?
There was we never oh, we never like went on vocal rass or any of that.
Time to even warm up, Like the amount of time we had to warm up would be from Paramount to Chalice, which was a ten minute car ride. Yeah, that is not enough time to warm up.
But did you ever have a point where you were like, holy shit, I actually have learningitis or like I have something like when you just either have to.
Push the recording if they have time, you go get a steroid shot in your butt and your voice comes back for an hour and you do it. I had lost my voice for like three months and I had to go to a doctor and he told me i'd ask a reflux. It wasn't true.
I had that too. It's just really rough and you just.
Take adval and drink water and like get through it and you don't sound as great. But like at some point seven hundred numbers, you're like, well, they know what I sound like good, and they know what I sound like bad.
Yeah.
How many numbers did you end up doing?
Seven?
Yeah?
Something out of here or thirty something? Yeah.
I mean we weren't in all of them, obviously, but.
That's how many of the show did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There were times when I I finally got to do a Michael Jacks song, so excited about had one hundred and two fever. Yeah, And I was in the recording booth doing p y T, which is also like my no, it was my nightmare because growing up I was like that song is so hard, so hard. I would never want to do that, Like, Oh, we finally gave you a Michael song. It's p y t.
It's always like that. It was always like that.
And I got two Michael songs that week. I had to record both in that week, and I was and one of the episodes was for the super Bowl, and.
I went pressure, no pressure, never heard of it.
Oh no, And I'm like, oh, I'm doing the biggest number and the biggest episode we'll ever have, and I can't sing. I had to like sit in the booth and do one line at a time because my voice would go out for like five minutes after each line. Did you come from? Babe? And silence?
Now here's a question. Have you guys sung a lot since Glee? Like Okaie, I only sing for you.
You're unbelievable.
It's stops.
You're the best, most beautiful singer. You're stuff. You're such a full package. You liar, You're a liar. No, You're just so pretty. I can dance and can sing.
You're a real triple threat.
Remember that word. You're a real freaking triple threat. You're so good at it all.
I watched when I watched it back again, that episode my the like the little girl in myself, I was like, oh, I wish I'd booked that job, like like it had just sunned, like looked fun, Like like my happiest moments when I wasn't having a breakdown like in waitress is when you're singing and dancing in a group like and and you're not the lead and you're not like, I don't like that feeling.
I don't.
I never was like a real I don't really like the solo to be honest, but I fucking love hitting a harmony in a dance move and a group of people, Like I think that is the fun like so heart feeling and like the best. I just did you feel like that all the time or were you like, oh, the camera's on them and not on me, Like did it get like because it was shot?
You know?
I you know you had those feelings you had in high school doing musicals that I did, Like did that drastically change now that it was on camera and all about like, you know, fame and fortune?
That feeling happened a lot, especially when we were performing for each other, when we were in the choir room or actually on the auditorium stage and you would have Matt Morrison, or if it was like a boys versus girls sing, which was always the most fun.
That's what I saw in the episode I watched, Yes.
And so like during those times, we were all just sort of egging each other on to be insane, absurd, over the top, like really go for it. And sometimes we were singing like really absurd songs and they were having a sing in a funny way, which was those times, and we got to wear like crazy costumes. Those times were such a blast. I think when we got to some of the longer days, the more tedious, more tediously shot numbers, it doesn't feel like that, and you're like, it's very much okay, let's just get it done. Let's get the coverage. We've done this so can onto you.
There's the crew is singing it the next day and you're like they're like, we're so sorry. It's just stuck in our heads because you're doing it fifteen thousand times. I think what I was like, you could tell you have those moments like it's kind of like in waitress, like when everybody sing everything changes and you're all singing together and you're like, oh my god, this is bigger than me. I love this like somebody loving Glee. Don't stop believing Anglee, like you feel those moments we were like, oh this is a special one, I think, or I really love this song.
I'm so glad we're doing it.
But I think the headfuckery thing about it was like it wasn't that you're like, oh, why isn't Why didn't I get the solo? I want the solo. It's like there's so many characters that you're like, well, why aren't they writing for me? What's wrong with me? There's like an insecurity that comes out that you're like totally, and they keep saying like, there's just so many characters, we can't give you everything you want, you know what I mean, Like there were eighteen of us at one point, and wow, You're like I just can't and we can't do it. So I think there was a part of it that was like, well, why aren't you utilizing me? Does that mean that the fans don't like me as much?
We all felt that way on Scandal too. I mean I actually speak for other people, but similarly, I had conversations I think like that with like Columbus and myself and I can remember, you know, part of being on a hit TV show.
That is an ensemble show. Yeah, it is so challenging on your ego too.
Yes, And I tell this to acting classes all the time because they're like, you know, you know, when is it ever enough? Because you'll say, oh, I just want to co star, coastar, coastar, guest our, guest our, guest star.
I just want to be the lead of a show. I just want to be lead a show.
Well, and then when you're the lead of the show, you say, I just want to be the lead storyline. I just want to be the main storyline. I just want them to write for me. I just want to write for me. Then they say then it moves to oh, I just hope I get the movie on the summer hiatus. How they got a movie and I didn't. And then it becomes oh, I hope I get an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.
Someone else got Jimmy Kimmel.
My point being, it's such a lesson, over and over and over again, and I totally understand what you're saying. Jennen felt similarly, like what's wrong with me? But just like in in knowing that you have to be okay and that you are enough in yourself and your own You have to validate your own talent and your own worth because it's never it's never enough, and it's never going to come from anything outside. I mean, like that needle just keeps moving of other shit that you watch always, it's.
Oh so hard because when you're stuck in it, you're in like the vortex of it. You can't see outside of it like you have to. You need the instant reminder you're just stuck in it.
You're like deep because it's also being like you're either being validated or invalidated also by things outside of the show. Like for me, it wasn't necessarily oh I'm not getting enough storyline, Like I get what part I signed up for, Like I know where I was in the pecking order. The show is with Corey Jane math like got it happy down here. But like the weird thing was like with it, like you said, the hit TV show, All those ancillary exterior opportunities that come up are the weird thing because it feels like you're all rising together outside you're all the events. Then all of a sudden, it's like, oh wait, that person has like a campaign they're shooting this weekend, or that person's getting to present at this award show. Oh that doesn't feel great. That's we're all together, yes.
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a it's a huge learning it's a huge learning.
Lesson and it's really good. I mean it's it's really.
And I hope that you guys too, I know for us, it was so like ingrained in the behavior around the show. Look like I had I don't even know who was your number one on your call sheet, Matt Matthew, Yeah, so like our number one was carry and like I think that just from very early on, and I'm sure it was like this on your show too, because you guys are all such good friends, hopefully, but like on our show, it was so like I had to like retrain my brain to be like whatever someone gets that I don't whether that's a Kimmel or a fashion campaign or something like this, all just keeps this is good for the show. This is good for the show, which is good for my job, which is my job, which means I get to keep my job, and which means I.
Get to keep security. Blah blah blah.
But I'm sure I mean you could see how in like a more toxic environment, it can get really really in question to that with you guys, which is so different than Scandal is like your show was all young people and my show was all old No, but like my show, I was the youngest by like ten years, Like Carrie was right under me, over me. But you know, the other women on the show, Carrie Bellamy Darby were like ten years plus older than me. Maybe Carrie's on ten, I can't remember, but older. I definitely felt like the baby. And then Tony, Jeff Perry, Josh Molina, Joe Morton, like all of these actors are way older and had maybe not hit before, like on huge shows, like you know, like came for a long time and so fucking grateful to have a show that had staying power. So there was like, yes, no Shenanigans going on. There was no one was blowing lines off of anyone's whatever at a fucking party, like there was everyone was like yes to be here, and to be here, so happy to have a job and also just like not like there was just no like silly business. Like I'd always be the person that was like drinking and I'd be.
Like, does anyone want to have one.
I mean, g Gearmo's good like that, but we forget like Gearmo's also way older than me too and has been on a on of shows. And also again just like there was no like yeah, yeah, I'm assuming like because you were all young, like I tell me about that, because I didn't have that. Everyone came to work and went home and nobody was hooking up or doing drugs or like nothing.
It was no drama.
There wasn't a lot of drug doing. There wasn't like that kind of like nobody stuff of people in the trailers and things like that.
That's really good.
No, that wasn't happening. There was, like, you know, lots of people hooked up.
It was like college young lead actors in your show, but then so many extras and dancers and kids in the in the in the cafeteria.
I'm like, who was not hooking up?
Like, I'm like, well, we didn't though we were. Actually I think nobody really hooked up with like any extras.
Oh please, Kevin, no, oh please wait. I'm sure people.
You're all young and hormonal and tired and working long hours.
You better believe I was up in those dance rehearsals. It's not supposed to be a part of it. I'm like, I'm going to go drive yeah, Pa and go and we text each other like, oh, so and so is.
Back today, Like and Kevin and I lived together in season two and three?
Was it Kevin?
Yeah?
And so everybody would just come over to our house after we finished wrap and we would just we would drink and we would hang out and some people would like sleep over.
We just had like the.
Houseage because it was the only place we could go where people wouldn't be looking at us or taking pictures so us. Yeah, then you like really let loose because at that point too, that was like the biggest show.
Every night or just like Friday.
No, no, no, not every night, because we'd be working until like eleven o'clock and then have to show up at six or seven, and we'd be pretty tired. But on the weekends or the nights that we wrapped early, we'd go to dinner. We also like went to lunch together all together. We'd leave the lot and go to lunch together, and then we'd have to like get back in time, and we get in trouble because we were like a few minutes late. And now, yeah, it was. There were shenanigans, and then you had like the adults that were the ones who set the tone that were like grateful to be here, save your money by a house, like show up on time, do your lines, because there's a certain I mean, and we did, like everybody showed up when we showed up everything.
Nobody They were like no, every now and then somebody would sleep through their alarm and then I would go pick them up.
But no, there was no time for any of those kind of shnani against because you would get in trouble, you'd really get talking to you.
We didn't do it on school nights.
Yeah sure.
And also like as we got older, we got if you were hungover, you would like look at the episode and you're.
Like, oh god anymore, Oh my god.
And it felt because you're dating. Now, tell me who was your favorite? Who do you go on record? Is like who are your fame favorite? Like famous famous people being on the show.
Gwyneth Paltrow saying John Stamos, Oh wow, christ Channa w wow.
That's I mean.
Kate Hudson, she was great. Sarah Jessica Parker, she was a MA. We didn't work with the s J p but we heard that she was like the coolest, like low maintenance coolest, and I was like, I'm so jealous.
It makes sense. I feel like the people like Gwyneth, Kate and s JP are of like a certain generation and they all have like the same just like vibe cool like I'm just happy to be here.
They're so cool.
There's like what's up with you guys? Like how's it going?
And that were they at those times? I have this memories is too, like they wanted to be on the show. Yeah, they loved the show so much and wanted to be on it.
How mind blowing is think about it for you? Like we had that too.
We had like Angela Bassett like I wanted to direct us so badly, or like Regina King wanted to direct us so badly, so like you know, I got to work a Duverne wanted to direct really like unbelievablely like Talent Towerhouses coming, Lisa Kudro recurved and.
That was so bizarre. I can't like I might have to do a scandal, rewatch. I'm not lying right now.
I think I want to do it.
Holds up.
I also will never forget Katie just standing there shaking with blood on her hands in the pilot. It shook my world and I was like, who is this girl? It was like this show was going to me.
Who was that?
We watched trailers, we were just like, gotta go watch my standing up against each other like all before this, because I was in New York.
I remember seeing you in waiting rooms. Oh, and we hung out talked after during like the end of Lee, and I remember being in waiting rooms movie.
Hey, how does this feel for you? It weird for me?
There at least each other?
Yes, Oh, I love I mean love. Oh, Like, okay, a least Katie's here.
That's a weird thing that I also feel like people don't really talk about. It's like when you're on like a hit TV show and then you start going on normal auditions again.
Shanda, last week, we're all still I hope you guys are too. We're still such great friends.
So close.
Yes, yeah, And I whenever I go to New UK work, I call Shanda and Scott and people that live on that side. And I saw everybody, but I was hanging out with Shandon. I was telling you about an audition I had, and she was like, so pissed. She was like, you still have to audition, Like like she's she takes a personal offense to it because she's like, I made you. You should have to be auditioning, And she's right, No, I'm kidding. I I actually mind auditioning. To be honest, I I don't think I've ever been offered a part in my entire life, and I think if I did, I would be so stressed that totally what I'm about to do, Like I I don't mind auditioning or meeting or testing or like whatever, being like, this is what I.
Plan to do with this part. Are you into that? If you're into that, I'm here for you, let's do this. Ye are you?
But she was it was so she was like, I can't believe you're auditioning. And I was like, yeah, Shana, Like every every one's auditioning. Yeah, everyone everyone everyone on Scandal, besides probably I would say Carrie and Tony are probably auditioning.
Yeah, I would say.
I would say, like, I think I've talked to them in the past few years and they've been like I had an audition.
I had it, Like, so I know that.
Yes, Ryan, it was low stakes, was the only time that's happened where I did one episode of American Horror Stories and he called me and was like, oh, would you do this? Do you want to come to I'm like sure and I was like yeah, great, cool, he knows me, trust me, whatever. And then I remember, like the day before, I was like, wait, wait, am I still good? From what is a character? He doesn't know what I'm going to do? None of them know what I'm going to do. The poor director has never even seen me do this, Like what I've had no conversation with him?
What is carry?
It was? And we all got there and luckily it was like a There were four of us and we all were offered the parts, and so we're like before the first take, where like, so, what the fuck are we doing?
So staring it together?
Yeah, okay, let's see how this goes.
Two things for you one that's right. I've only been offered one other thing too, and it was Shonda. Same to you, Ryan Murphy. I shot the pilot for Scandal. I was a nanny at the time, and I was telling her horror stories about babysitting these kids who didn't believe. The mom didn't believe in diapers, so I had to hold their bare butts over the toilet as I made encouraging pooping sounds, and then the babies would poop in the toilet, and she thought it was the most disgusting, horrific thing she'd ever heard in her life. So after I wrapped the pilots of Scandal and we were waiting a long time to hear if we were going to get a season pick up, they just called and they were like, she's going to give you a one day guest star on Grey's Anatomy. And she says, you're not allowed to babysit while we're waiting to hear news on Scandal. So I did get all on Gray's Anatamy was Sandro and she's the greatest actress.
Of all times.
Last What a dream.
The other story I have to add to this all is that I used to wait tables.
On Ryan Murphy all the time.
He only liked table sixteen or seventeen AMMO for those listening. Ammos like the perfect in between area for studio executives and powerhouse players in Hollywood to come from the valley or Paramount or like right over in Melrose, right like the middle area. Meeting his Ammo and I was the waitress there for forever, and Ryan Murphy came all the time. Oh it was delicious. Rip Alexander's brown rice bull. It was the most delicious thing in the entire history.
Yes, sweet, you just worked on a show, right? Do you just worked on another TV show?
What did I?
Oh?
Yeah, I forgot guys, I have no breaking capacity.
Jenna, you're about to have this when you go from one to two call me.
I can't wait to level it's.
Yeah, ready up, I know.
But what what is it like working on any other show after working on a on a show that's so hard? Like everybody we always say, like anything we do after this, we were like, set it's like easy Street.
What is it like working on others stuff? After Shonda?
Well?
Oh oh easy and how it is? Yeah is the same?
No, no, no, it's so it's so it's so it's so fun.
Like I just feel like.
For me, I I mean, look, I loved being on a show that had a really long run. I think That's what I'd always wanted and it was such a dream. But like the artist actress in me actually really does like to bounce around totally like different things. I mean, of course, for like my mortgage, I wish that that happened all the time, but it doesn't, and that's okay, right, But you know, when Scandal was over, I was definitely like ready to put Quinn to rest, like you know, I felt complete and I felt like I've looked at every side of her yep, and the writers have done an incredible job. And I'm devastated to not be in a trailer at five am with Gear Modiaz and Kerrie Washington ever again. And that's the heartbreak of it is the relationships and the you know, the fun we had, but artistically, I was like done. So I feel like all the jobs I've had after it just I've been so pumped to like play other shit, Like I just I just did this show where I'm like the thickest text East Texas accent, I'm Preacher's wife, my hair is up to the ceiling.
I love it.
Like it's such character work that I've never like. I'm so I'm like, wow, you guys will let me do that? And I've yeah, like I just I'm like I never got to do I want to do periods so bad. I want to do like anything, you know, all I watch is the Spanish Queen, the Red Queen, the Serpent Queen, this Queen, and they don't let Americans do that, but I would die to do that.
I want to do seventy Like there's.
Just like shit I want to do Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's fun to play.
Yeah, it feels like fun.
And I was dying to do a multi cam and I was so lucky that I got to do it.
And I learned like, wow, I don't know, I don't know if that's for me. Yeah, I don't know. Did you ever do that? Did you learn that? Have you like never done multi cam? No, you've never done one?
Oh you really want to? I really want to.
I want to do it again.
I mean I did it in COVID and we didn't have like live audiences, and I feel like different.
You would thrive then because you get the theater aspect of it.
Then it's like the end of the No, yeah, I think so, Like I think I had the show gone again. It was with Pete Holmes and there was all these plans where he was going to warm up the crowd and do his stand up and I'm such a fan of his standing back, So like you never got.
To see do that.
Yeah, then you didn't like fully get the full exp so I liked before I go on record.
Yeah, I'll try it again. I'll try it again.
As also specific skills like yeah, or a thriller or a procedural or.
Never done it, fuck and horror. I want to do one so bad.
I love like people who can do those, like people who are on Law and Order forever. I'm like, that is a whole different or on grays or like those are all specific things and skills that I don't know, and that's I love auditioning for them because like, let me see if I can like figure out how to do It's different, pacing, everything is different about it. Yeah, but I enjoy, like I enjoy auditioning for those things and yeah, because it's like this is very, very different.
That's what I mean. Like that's what feels exciting about the new jobs. And they do feel easier, I think in a way. But I feel so lucky because I feel like I just take I learned so much on skin it was like yeah, and I know you guys did too. We have such an impressionable time at our ages and I and I just feel like I learned so such, so much about like how to be on a set and how to treat people. Yes, and I just really take that shit pretty seriously and take it with me everywhere I go, and and I just can't believe. Then then some days a week up and I'm like, I'm going back to school.
Oh every day, Yeah, exactly, like going to school and help people. Like I'm like, I don't know what's happening.
Yeah, school's not going anywhere. You can always you can do that. A class here, a class there.
I mean, Glenn Powell's going back to school. So Helen Powell, what's he's studying now? He's finishing.
He doesn't need to go to school, He's just finishing.
He has no time.
Yes, he's finishing. He's just he's finishing his degree.
Yeah.
Yeah. Do you two have degrees or no? You were working?
You do?
I went into Marrymount Theater performance you No.
During COVID. I was like, I could get my political science degree. I have some college credits, and so I was just like, so I started taking my sort of you know, prerequisites, and which was like a cinema class and that's.
Fun, sociology of the family, Like yeah, yeah, I was like you I get to take Can I pay someone to take math for me?
Yeah? No, I couldn't do any of that.
I couldn't like cinema. I'm like, guys, I got this.
I took one math class in college. I went to Liberal Arts cards and you have to take one math class.
I was like, okay, I'll do it. Oh it was very easy.
No, it was fine.
Okay. Did you so did you watch Glee before?
Oh?
Yeah you did. Oh he's like right up your alley, So like it makes that I got well.
I think I watched it till season like two or three, and then I was like seethingly jealous because I kept auditioning and not getting cast. So I was like, oh, I'm never watching this show. I get No, I'm kidding.
I get that. It's hard to be fair.
If there was a show that I wanted to be on during, like I would Scandal was like the one. Yeah, that's like right up my alley? Did you like that kind of genre? Like Cess?
I mean, I wasn't like a big West Wing fan.
I think that was on when I was in college and an baby or anything, but I was a huge I was a huge Grays fan. I think the Gray's Anatomy pilot is in history, one of the greatest pilots in pilot history, and I yes, and you know, I used to audition against Sarah Drew, another amazing singer, musical theater girl who played April.
April Yeah, was on Glee. She was on Glee. Yes, she see everyone was on Glee. This bitch.
I'm telling you this bitch and her and I used to go up against each other. I can't even tell you. She wouldn't know because she only got the parts. But it was so great because when she finally got Grays, I was like, get her out of here, off the street.
She's working.
She was always working all the uphe I was like, how did we get hurt? She's busy.
So when she but twofold a, I was so pumped that she got finally off the audition circuit. And then the second thing was I thought, oh, well, if she's Shonda's type, then maybe I'm Shondas type like like me. And I kept auditioning for Shonda. I came really close to like she had a doctor's with out borders like Gray's Anatomy sort of spin off called Off the Map the season before Scandal, and I went in for all the lead doctor girls. I quit my babysitting job at the time, and I was because I was going in every day for like a different doctor on that show, and they were trying to find a place for me and there wasn't a fit.
And the next and I stopped and I was so broke.
And then the next season, my second audition of the pilot season was Scandal. Oh God, So I'd been in there a bunch of times, even though Yeah, Lowie was the casting director. Her husband Jeff Perry, who played Cyrus, started Steppenwolf Theater Company and I went to their summer school, and so she was always very monster, that monster, and what an actor.
What an actor.
You also, I can't unsee him as that.
I know that part, that part, he's the most wonderful for ever.
Do you remember ever like seeing us at like events, red carpets and things, because I remember running into some of your casts.
You do, I don't remember seeing them.
I don't because you were on a Fox circuit and I was on the ABC circuit.
But that's why it didn't. I think I remember it because I was such a fanboy that anytime it did if I saw you or or Carrie, I would just be like.
No, we must have been like the night before parties together. Yes, w Chateau Marmont, like the Emmy season thing. Now. We were never nominated for a single thing except the NAACP Awards. Actually, I take that back, what about you guys were nominated for and.
One for everything. See that's why you don't.
I didn't see you, Yeah, but I wanted to see you guys, like.
Where were what were you? Did? You win everything? Best Show, Best Comedy, We.
Won Golden Globe, We won sag on Best Ensemble, which was really fun.
Season or two we won, and then Modern Family win everything.
And then Modern Family after that, like we were done.
They wanted nothing to do with us, and Modern Family took everything for years and we are you.
Guys nervous to go to the Emmys? Was it a big deal?
They were at first they were at first like it was like, wow, we're at the Golden Globes. This is so fucking cool, and then like it'd be like Award season again and like another cricket.
But honestly, alcohol the Emmys so didn't.
Have alcohol, and they were really long. They were like three hours.
But it was still really special, Like especially the sag Warts. They were always special because you're just with your friends all like whole time.
The best thing, Yeah, are the best.
It's all actors, who are my favorite people. I fucking love actors, Like that's the problem. I just love them, guys. I'm in an acting like I'm never not an acting class.
Oh my god, such a lame.
Oh I'm a full theater company that you run on the your that time day job.
That's my day job. I am a theater company. And the scandal rewatch podcast talking to you guys, raising two children hiding in my closet.
I can barely get myself breakfast. I don't understand.
We also have to talk about your your husband on the hottest show on television right now?
Are you raising?
I loved on the night it dropped this past season. And then he's obviously in last season a little bit yes, and then playing Adam Shapiro showing up, I'm like, oh he's back again and again and again.
It was really crazy.
We had to get my in lust to just like move in and raise my children. Well ye ago, and I was in Charlotte and I was like, I don't know.
How this is gonna work.
I was talking to him, He's like, just drop the kids off going and get them again. Can't This is crazy, Jenna.
He did four months of like my husband's a saint, but also like I did eight. No, I shouldn't say it's such a funny double standard because I like a budapeste for to shoot for like six months and I did the kids.
Whatever. We're very good.
We're it's very.
Very even to be honest, and we're both very good at like understanding like someone's got a job.
We're so like go go, honey, get it. Oh my god, Yeah we get to keep the house for another year, like whatever. But there's a double kind of used to that, thank god.
But yeah, the Bear was a huge we joke around because we don't. I mean, I had put him on tape for the Bear a few times and he was close to getting parts, and then they gave him this role and we don't know if.
I mean, it's his acting.
For sure, but also it's because of all this hoopla around the pretzel business that he also shabby pretzels.
No when he's on set, like they said something like that.
They were like, we had to get the we just love your pretzel story so much, like they've like said that, like I don't even know.
It's yes, And here's.
The greatest perk about this show, which I have not yet enjoyed.
Actually I have that.
I take that back, because it's so when you shoot the bear and all these fancy chefs come and then when you wrap, they're like, just come sit and you get to eat at like the fanciest best restaurants because of all the chefs.
You're like famous in the chef world.
Right then, even in Charlotte, when Adam would come, he would get recognized all these restaurants, and then the chefs would just be like sending us over food. You guys want to pair this wine. I'm like, yeah, I want to pair that wine. Like, but that is one of the greatest hurks.
Wow, I can't imagine. That's awesome. Oh, we're so happy. I'm so happy for him.
What is I need to know what your self tape situation is?
Like?
If you guys are putting each other on tape.
We learned that in COVID it almost got divorced.
Are you giving you giving each other notes?
Like he can't I note him up?
When it's a drama, and he notes me up when it's a comedy, so it's just like a recipe for a disaster, Like he can't cry, you're doing that stuff. So he's trying to like fake it and I'm trying to get him there. And then if I'm doing a comedy, he's like, you're not hearing it. It's like buttump bump. I'm like, I'm never having sex with you again. But like so I'm kidding, that's not true.
But what we learn.
Oh, and then it would get really funny, like because my auditions can be wildly dramatic, like I'm screaming and my child's like in a well and a goat of thing is coming and I'm trying to get the baby out and jump on the back of a motorcycle and I'm screaming and I'm trying to save us, and the kids are asleep, and we're doing this at ten forty five at night, and Adam's laughing so hard at me that I'm screaming at him to just face the wall, and I'm acting to his back. I mean, this is the type of tape we're making.
It's not good. I believe it.
My sounds like in COVID my husband who's not an actor at all, at all, I could tell I have loved an array of stories for you with self dates.
Though we don't do it anymore.
I would love to see David. I would love to hear him read with you.
He cuts himself. He cuts the scene because he messes up, so he'll be on his end. We'll get to the last line of the scene. It's a great, great cut.
I messed up.
I'm like, they don't care about you. They don't care about you in this moment. This is not about you. He's laughed at me where he's ruined scenes before. Also, and I've done zooms where producers give you notes and he'll take the note himself and like change the pace, but he does it wrong, and so you're I'm just staring at him.
I'm like you were, like this is I've now go, I go and we pay. It's a little bit. It's yeah, it's worth it. I can't. I can't. I can't.
And also like having me ask him eight billion times like do I look okay?
Should I wear this top? Should I change the stop?
Like it's just like not great, that's not the Yeah, it's.
Not a great date night, you know what I mean, it's not a great date at all.
I should probably just relieve Austin of doing that for me.
Yeah, it's not really.
He doesn't have to do it with him. He doesn't like for me to do it with him.
You're it's one thing, but.
It's having him do it, though he like gives great notes.
Kevin is just so laxy. He's so easy to work with that, like, of course you like Austin.
To do it with you because I want to. At first I was about it okay, and then I got over. I'm like, who cares? Like he's literally seen me at my grossest, ugliest whatever I'm gonna suck and he's gonna see it. Who cares? So, like, clearly I can sort of do it sometimes, so like I like, but today he was in a bind and I did it with him, and I was standing. He's like, I don't want.
To look at you.
He's like, you're a different line. He's like, can you say? Oh? He literally has everything set up in front of his face, and so I I just like sit behind a desk and like.
Does he have the lines up?
Like?
Are you guys fucking with all that stuff sometimes prompters and stuff.
Well not even teleprompter. She's like a wireless keyboard.
He's a paper, Yes, a.
Wireless keyboard, and just like go down and just tape it up. I read the sides off the screen something.
I'm so old school. I literally have to like I.
That's why you're good, though, That's why you need.
Someone fifteen dollars an hour who I love read like a baby. She I just get on the phone with her and I'm like, start now, start the minute clock now, and we just drill for like twenty five minutes.
Brilliant. Though.
I wanted to start a company for readers, like an uber where people come and they call and they read with you, because.
I'll give you her number, call her anytime and tell her. Tell I don't know how you make money off that, but like, yeah, I have to memory.
I can't look. I don't know what's I'm such an old school actress.
But what I've get. But what I've discovered is that I'm better when you significantly better when I do memorize so well.
Kevin ever goes in with a paper. He never holds a paper that.
Is so good, well, very impressed yeah, but it would be like, oh, you've memorized the lines, but are you doing it well. It was sort of like, okay, yeah, I can remember.
I supposed to hold the paper because we're like, I'm not going to tell you this is a finished product until totally.
That's what I want you to think, that this is still in process.
You're right if I in personal auditions anymore, I am not going in off book like that.
Ever.
It's not it's not it's illegal, not require to it. Yeah, exactly, I have to go pick up my kid. Is there anything else? Is there anything else you want to ask me?
I want to come back tomorrow so much. You thanks for taking so much time.
With that time, I'm gonna go get my kids.
Oh my god, God, she's the best.
I don't even. I can't even. She is one of my favorite people in the world. It's funny that they're like, we we came up in a similar way. I mean, not obviously, if you heard, not completely similar. They were kind of on the fence of getting extra seasons, but they they hit it and like she's known for scandal, now you know what I mean. And it's a big part of her, A huge part of her life and it's so formative, and we were kind of at the same age when we did these huge hits, so it's a very similar experience. But we're so happy for Katie. She's amazing. She continues to do awesome work. She has the I Am a Theater company, which I it's the only time I sing ever now is that Yalla's And she's just wildly talented and the nicest person ever, and I always want to work with her.
She's just the best, so so talented. If you watch Scandal, you love her like I was the biggest Scandal fan. You and I both were, I.
Know, really were. I got to rewatch it?
Yeah too? Should we do that?
I would do it?
Yeah, exactly, Okay, let's do great.
God we decided that.
Well.
Go listen to their podcast as well. It's called Unpacking the Toolbox, a Scandal rewatch with Katie and Giermo. And thank you Katie for coming on and chatting with us. I hope you guys could make some sense of the nonsensical conversation we had.
With her, but we are appreciative and come back next week.
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