Scott is the founder of Church Health, the largest faith-based privately funded health clinic in the country. Over 1,000 doctors volunteer to serve 80,000 underinsured patients in Memphis!
Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. And we continue now with part two of our conversation with doctor Scott Morris. Right after these brief messages from our general sponsors.
Sears has built ten of these buildings around the country. They all have the same architect they all pretty much look alike. Two had been torn down, but at this point six had been repurposed already. So Seattle, Minneapolis, Boston, Dallas, Atlanta. The building in Atlanta is the world's largest brick building. The one in Seattle is the home office of Starbucks. It's a million square feet of coffee.
Wow.
But then the one in Minneapolis was the most like what we were talking about doing. So how, in my opinion, how we crossed the rubicon to get the building renovated is I got three of my wealthy friends to give me their planes for a day, and I took the mayor of Memphis, the CEO of Saint jude a Methodist hospital. You know about however many three planes can carry, and we went to Minneapolis to see the building that had been repurposed there.
Which is very similar to this one.
It looks very much like it. And then the way they were using it was similar to what we had had come to envision could happen here. And after seeing that, everybody came back going we could do this. There was only one thing we needed. We didn't have money. Three hundred million dollars Is that all?
That was?
All? That was all?
You know.
It took three and a half years, but over time we found the money. Currently, fifty two entities have signed long term leases to be in the building. There are two hundred and sixty five apartments. Every last one is rented. Church Health is the anchor tenant. We have one hundred and fifty thousand square fees.
That's what I wanted to say. And so when it opened, church Health was the anchor tenant. So you moved from one old house and twelve patients to eight houses and thirty thousand patients to now you can scale and you have how many square.
One hundred and fifty thousand square fe which.
Is world class. I've been in them. Listen, don't think because this is a church health center serving the working poor and the working uninsured, that don't think the clinic that you want to you see on TV somewhere. This place is nice and the people pay their forty bucks. There's a huge doctor's office, but there you also have physical therapy, right, don't you have the largest dentist something?
Right, So we have fifty two medical exam rooms, but we're fifty two, right. But on the dental side, dentistry is an economic issue. You can't go from a minimum wage job to a better job. If your teeth are all messed up. It's not gonna happen.
You don't look good in an interview. Right.
So I see this guy who has a dental problem. He goes to the dentist. He can't afford the dentist, so he took measures into his own hands, and he superglued his teeth together.
Are you kidding me?
What he didn't understand is that super glue will italy all the enamel in your mouth. So by the time I saw him, his mouth was a total disaster. This is America. When did it get to be that I'm working, I'm taking care of my family. You have dental pain, one of the worst pains you could have, and your only option is to superglue your mouth. We consider that to be immoral. You know, that's something we had to care deeply about and by we, I mean the church and the faith community. But has anybody listening ever heard a sermon on dental care? I don't think so speak so no, But to show you that we have taken it seriously. What we have built the largest freestanding dental clinic in America, and it's one hundred percent focused on the working uninsured.
Here here, right here in your one hundred and you also have physical therapy.
Physical therapy. And our newest venture here has to do with eye care. When we first came to crossdown concourse, that's what we call our building. Now we built an eye clinic in partnership with the Southern College of Optometry. You know the rights right here in Memphis there. You know, there are one hundred and sixty four allopathic medical schools in America. There are only eleven optometry schools, and one of the best is here in Memphis. But so that clinic focuses on making glasses, doing preventive type work. But unfortunately, you know, if you're poor and you're having a heart attack and you go to the emergency room, you will get a bypass operation. But if you're poor and you're going blind and you go to that same eer. Nobody gives a flip. And the reason is you're not going to die from going blind. But emergency rooms are not required to have to treat you, you know, if you're going to die, yes they have to treat you, you know, from a heart attack. But if you're going blind, they will give you the name of an optimologist that you can go make an appointment with that you can't afford. That a poor person could never afford. So we are now finishing an eye clinic that will focus in the four leading causes of blindness, which are diabetic retinopathy, maxter generation, glacoma, and cataracts. I mean from our perspective. You know, from a biblical standpoint, what could be more? You know, in line with what a Christian faith is all about. Then you take poor people who are blind and you give them their site back.
It's phenomenal. Another thing you have going back piggyback into something you said earlier which I was really surprised us. You have a massive area that is all these kitchenettes.
Right, so your mother told you you are what you eat. She was right, But unfortunately in today's world, it is very difficult to get people to focus on their health and how it relates to food. But we need to all realize that food is medicine, and so we are one of the major proponents of something called culinary medicine, effectively using food as a way to help people live a healthier life. So we do three things in our teaching kitchen. One is we train young doctors how to talk to patients about food.
That's amazing to me.
It's amazing if you are a physician, because doctors don't know squat about nutrition. You know that they have no idea how to actually talk to patients about food. And the way we go about do it doing it is we get them in our kitchen and we turn them in the turned them into chefs, and they love it and it becomes a much more engaging way, and it's far more effective than just giving somebody a diet sheet and say, you know, go eat this food.
Once again, everybody, do not envision the back of a hot of a restaurant with a bunch of stainless steel stuff and no windows. This quote teaching kitchen that we're talking about, it is this massive open area with kitchen areas set up and all of the things you need to cook but it's like eight or four or five, I don't know how many kitchens kind of in this big open area where people are gathering and it's very open and airy, and I can see you having this nutritious cooking classes in here. Well.
Another example of what happens in the teaching kitchen is at Crosstown. We actually have a high school in our building.
Yeah there's yeah, that's right, but you're the core tenant. You said fifty two others. I was going to say one of them is actually a high school as right.
And in the high school, we teach ninth grade biology in our kitchen through food.
No kids, kids learn about.
Biology through food and at the same time they're learning themselves how to eat healthy foods.
It's just that's unbelievable.
Okay, I bet you wish your high school had done that.
Yeah, I like chicken fingers every day, which was you are what you eat, I'll look like a chicken fingernail. Probably because of that experience, you also built a road through the building so that people didn't have to walk far. What was that?
So when we moved here, I was very anxious about even though it was very inefficient. When we had thirteen buildings. It was very convenient for patients that they could park literally right next to the building and get out and come in and if you broke your leg, you know, it wasn't a difficult thing to do in our new building, and we have a big parking garage, and I was not sure how that would go over. So in talking to the architects about that, their answer was, hey, not a problem. We will build a road to the middle of the building. And so that's exactly what's happened. There is a you know, people don't really realize why this road is there, but it's there so our patients can be dropped off and it's fifteen feet into our waiting room.
It's just phenomenal. And now you've gone to oh holy, let's.
Talk about behavioral health to it. We're going through the things that matter. So you know, as I've mentioned before, fifty percent of people come to primary care doctors have no medical problem. You know, they come to the doctor for reasons they used to come to priests. So in the walking clinic not that long ago, I see a forty two year old woman who's Latino, she's undocumented. She's cleaning houses in an affluent suburb in Memphis. The owners of the home are not there, but the other workers are there and they rape her. Now, she doesn't call the police because she's.
Right.
Unfortunately, she does talk to the pastor of her church, who tells her that she needs to keep working in that home because she needs to quote unquote confront her demons. That was not good advice. I see her six weeks later because she has pain in her pelvis. I do her pelvic examines totally normal, because that's not the problem, right. The problem is they have totally crushed her heart. And my giving her a great an extra fifteen minutes of my great wisdom, that's not going to help anything. Instead, I was able to call in one of our Spanish speaking counselors, who is embedded in what we do, who was able to spend an hour with her in the exam room. She didn't have to make an appointment go somewhere else. She could get seen right there while I kept moving doing what a doctor's better able to do. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that we have fixed her. We have not fixed her, but at least she's been seen and follow up in our Behavioral Health Center, and we're on the right path.
We'll be right back. I think you moved to YMCA N right next to your What is that all about?
So we used to have our own wellness facility. So what this is all about is ultimately something we call the model for healthy living. So being healthy is not about the absence of disease. The World Health Organization would agree with that. Who cares if you live two years longer? If it means two years long in a nursing home. You know, life for life's sake can't possibly be the point. But breathing in, breathing out. None of us are signing up for that. So what we think being healthy is about is ultimately three things. Having more joy in your life, having more love in your life, and being driven closer to things greater than we are. Now we would call that God. You don't have to call that God. But for all of us, there are things greater than we are we need to be drawn closer to. But if that's what it takes to be healthy, more joy, more love, being driven closer to God, it doesn't have a lot to do with the doctor which led us to create something we call the Model for healthy living. So we will argue there are seven things in life that are equally important that must be in balance if you're going to be healthy. One of them is medical care, but only one. Our country is currently spending a trillion dollars a year on the doctor, hospital and drugs, but it only has ten percent to do with your health outcomes. Ten percent. I think we should argue we're not spending the money very wisely, right, but it is one. The second is nutrition. You know, we've already talked about that. The third ist movement our bodies were made to move. I'll come back to talk about that in a minute. Next is emotions, family and friends. Work. We define work as those things that bring meaning to your life, and lastly your faith life. All seven things are equally important. No one is more important than the other, but everything we do is driven by that concept. Now, before we moved Acrosstown, we used to run our own wellness facility. We had a gym, we had whatever. When we came to Crosstown, what we now have is twenty five thousand square feet of church health space. We've contracted with the why to manage, so it's church Health Ymcaight. The beauty of it is is once our patients are members of Church Health, why they're members of any why, it allows our physical therapists to bleed over into the why. It's just a better way of doing this.
Okay. So if all of this is not enough, you've also come up with a quote health insurance plan. This one, folks will floor you. Go for it, Scott.
Well, So we began in nineteen eighty seven. We grew fairly quickly and turned of a need for seeing patients, and so I hired a partner. She was fantastic. We grew to practice. Then she had something that I can't stand. A husband.
They get in the way, don't they.
Well, her husband took her to Virginia, God go it, and literally overnight I was having to see sixty patients a day, which is not tenable. So one day in the shower, I have a vision, and my vision was that I would go to the Memphis Medical Society get them to volunteer as physicians to see our patients in their own office. They wouldn't come to Church Health. The patients would go to their office, the doctor would donate whatever they did, and then every laboratory, every diagnostic center would also donate their services. We would have subspecials willing to care for patients, and then the hospitals would donate their secure And then the way a person would get enrolled in the program is through their employer. The cost would be fifty dollars. The employer would pay ten dollars a month. You couldn't put the whole thing on your employee, but then it would come. The payment would come through payroll deduction. So in nineteen ninety I was ready to roll this thing out. Everything was looking good, and then I get a call from the Apartment of Insurance in Nashville who told me that they had heard about it. It was a really good idea. There was only one problem. It was illegal. It sounded like health insurance and we didn't meet the rules to be an insurance company. So, in my opinion, if something is illegal but it's still the right thing, there is only one rational thing to do, which is do it.
The law changed the law.
So we ended up passing what's known as the Memphis Plan Act of nineteen ninety one.
You've literally changed the state law.
Yes, and we've amended it three times.
But so you lobbied, yes, right, you lobbied state senators and legislature.
It was a horrible experience.
I bet it was. And so it's called what.
The Memphis Plan Act of nineteen ninety one.
It's a law.
It's a law. And all this law says is anything that looks like what I just described to you in the state of Tennessee is not health insurance. That's all the law says. But it means that we are no longer subject to the regulation of the Department of Insurance. So we've been able to do this since nineteen ninety one. So what does what does it actually mean? What it means is we've managed to create managed care for the uninsured, which most people would tell you it's not possible. And then where does the money go. We don't pay anybody a dime. The moment I pay any doctor, any hospital a penny, the whole thing falls apart from soup to nuts. Everything is donated. But there's not a problem somebody could have from the cradles to the grave. You need a bypass operation, it will cost you five dollars and that's it, no deductible, no co payment. That's better health insurance than any one of us have. Only it is actually not health insurance, but it will provide the best quality of care you can imagine, and it cost and then so the money all goes to support the overall work of Church Health.
And it's fifty bucks a month.
Fifty bucks a month.
So when we're sitting here talking about health insurance, not health insurance, and how you have your your more laborious positions in your company that make twelve fifty or thirteen or fourteen dollars an hour and then having to decide between clothing their kids and feeding them or having one hundred and eighty dollars a week pulled out of their check for family health coverage through Blue Costs with Shield that they can't afford, they can sign up for this plan and as long as employer pays ten bucks, right, that's right, and AKA forty.
We're not looking to enroll a company that has one hundred employees. If you have one hundred employees, you should provide health insurance. But if you have a housekeeper, you've got somebody cutting your grass. You're a mom and pop business that has two employees. With restaurants, we're not looking to enroll waiters and waitresses. We're looking to enroll the people who wash the dishes or who clean up.
Like you said at the beginning, the people who make our food and cut our crass, make the beds at the hotels.
And I talk about I always say, and who will one day dig your grave? All of the cemeteries in Memphis have people on the Memphis Plan.
No kidding. Yeah, and it's called the Memphis Plan.
Yeah, it stands for the minimum wage employees of Memphis Plan for Health Services. I'm the only one who I think knows that.
And it's all because of the Church Health sy Yes, which is now Churchill Yeah.
Right, we just dropped the word center moved across down.
So why couldn't this be scaled in every city in the world.
Well, actually, so, the need is absolutely there. I know y'all are tired of me talking about Descartes, but the reason is because people just can't get their heads around it. But we have a There are ninety clinics around the country that are modeled after what we do. I have a book that came out just over a year ago called Care How People of Faith Can Respond to our Broken Health System that talks about a number of these clinics. But there are actually fourteen hundred free and charitable clinics around the country, many of which use us as a model or any of the size. No they're not, it's our size. But the point is is that this is needed everywhere, and if you look around in your community, there is something similar there that just nobody knows about. It's not talked about, and the government it's the most frustrating thing I've ever been around. I have a book a friend named Jim Wallace who started something called Sojourners, who's written a lot, and you don't have to read his book to understand the point. He wrote a book called God's Politics, How the right doesn't get it and the left doesn't care, and I can That's been my experience. I just can't. You know, Washington's the meanest place I've ever been. If I never go there again, I'll be perfectly happy.
Scott, when you wake up and look in the mirror and you realize that you came to Memphis not knowing any and you got your first funding for a faith based health center from a Jewish foundation that is now the anchor for a revitalization product of an entire area of Memphis, and the anchor with one hundred and fifty thousand square foot space Soup to nuts and health serving eighty thousand people. I mean, do you pinch yourself a little? I know you're a humble guy, but my goodness.
Guy, you know I love what I do. It feeds my soul and it's just the moving forward. What I feel like I have an obligation right now is to use the platform that we've created to move on to doing good right now. The thing I'm obsessed about is, you know, Memphis is a black city. You know what, Memphis has almost none of black doctors. So what I am convinced of is that there are young after American kids who have the capacity to be doctors. But why does it not happen? You know, it doesn't happen for what I refer to as leakage. They've never seen anybody that looks like them.
I was going to say, a lot of it is access, and access looks like you know people who are doctors.
Yeah, So we are now on a path to be able to identify kids like that get them to college. We run a gap year program finish college, want to go to medical school? Work for us for a year, get to medical school and then bring that kid back to want to care for the neighborhood they grew up in that. There are many, many moving parts to that, but I'm convinced that we're going to be successful at doing this. And this is all a response to where I think church Health has the ability to do more than just provide healthcare for people. You know, these issues are transformative, and I believe that the church you know, has fallen into a terrible path right now that the pandemic has made many many churches just obsessed over paying their light built without realizing we've actually been given an enormous opportunity to be what God's called us to be. I believe that the work of Church Health really is the Church at work, and how we engage people here at Crosstown is an example of that. I mean, we think of Crosstown as a vertical urban village built around health, education and the arts, and I see this as how the church should be moving forward. You know, it can't just be trying to put butts in the pews on Sunday morning. That doesn't change people's lives.
It's just for the We'll be right back. So in the middle of running this thing, which I imagine you spend an enormous amount of time with your filling traffic hot on trying to raise money. You still practice every day.
Yeah, I'm a real doctor. I see patients every morning, and I mostly see people through our walking clinic where they're sick today and don't have health insurance. And I love the variety of it. That's for the beauty of intellectual challenge is I literally don't know what's behind the next door. You know, it could be a cold or a sore throat, but it could also be a broken bone or somebody dying from cancer. And then the intellectual challenge to figure out what are we going to do now? You know, So that me in many ways. But then it's also the opportunity to get to know people, and you know, it's heartbreaking to see how people struggle. And even though we've been here for thirty seven years, people oftentimes have been out there for quite a while until they find us. You know, somebody breaks their leg. The emergency room has an obligation to tell you that your leg is broken and put you in a splint. They do not have an obligation to do anything more than that. So almost every day we see people who I see people who they broke their leg not today or yesterday, but two weeks ago, and then they didn't know about us, and they find their way to us. And so if I can't set their bone myself, then we have the ability to have the best orthopedic surgeons in Memphis take care of them. But the same thing won't be true if that person now has cancer or some other terrible problem.
I guess it helps you not only keep your finger on the nuts and bolts of what's going on a daily basis by just being engaged on a daily basis as a doc, but also got to believe that the stories that you see daily also help continue to fuel that fire to make this thing work.
I mean, look, we have to raise twenty seven million dollars a year, year after year after year, So being able to tell patients about somebody I saw this morning, it both makes the ask fresh, but it also is what drives me to keep doing it because I know if I can't raise that money, then they're not going to get cared for. So I'm not quitting.
Yeah, So everybody that hears that twenty seven million dollars a year, if anybody's got a check book laying around. I'm sure Scott would love to hear from you. We have a national audience, and I can't imagine somebody's out there with a medical background thinking, Holy moly, I want to know something about this. How do they found out more? Where do they go? What are the resources? And if somebody wants to reach you through email or website or something to ask questions of you, how does that work?
The easiest is just our website, which is church health dot org. And then yeah, there's plenty of ways to contact me. My email is moress last name, first initial, two artists, two s's at church health dot org. It's easy. I'll get back to you or come to Memphis. I mean, like again, we have a replication seminar. We just had one last week where people come from all over the country. We did this a couple of times a year. If you really were seriously interested, it's a three day experience. You get all of my best people trying to help, you know, telling you the things that I wish somebody had told me back in nineteen eighty seven. For example, if you order a blood pressure cuff out of a catalog, do you know what you'll get. No, you'll get a blood pressure cuff makes do you know what you won't get what you won't get the bladder you need to blow it up, you won't get that. So my point is that these little, simple practical things are what we try to talk to people about. And then we talk seriously about the fact that we're a true faith based organization and we're not a federally qualified health center and why that's why we do that. I mean, you know, the government has a role, no question about it. But I get very frustrated when people think it is only the government that should be caring for the poor. That is not right.
If it's the only government caring for anything, we have a problem.
That's true. But you know, this is again the challenge that people don't see that in my community, I can make a difference, and issues around healthcare get very big, very fast, and then people just put it at arm's length and say I can't make a difference. Well, you actually can make a difference, you know, especially when you drop back and look at what I was defining as what healthcare is. You know, it's not just about giving people pills, you know, as far as the pills are concerned. You've got to realize all pills are poisons. That is how they work. They poison your body to prevent it from doing something it is naturally trying to do. Now, mind you, I am a statin prescribing doctor, but you know, thank god, the pills don't actually work very well. If they did everything they tell you they do on TV, we'd be killing people right and left, which we actually already do. So, I mean, nobody can give somebody ten pills and know all that the interactions are going to be. You know, so you've got to be pretty dog on smart to override the body the way God created it. So we have to find ways to engage people around health beyond just thinking that chemistry will solve the problem. It won't.
What a phenomenal story. When you look down at that guy's pamphlet in Yale, did you ever think did you ever really fathom or dream that it would lead to the renaissance of a building in one hundred and fifty thousand square foot clinic? Did you ever think it could be that Scott?
I didn't think it would. I wasn't thinking about a building. But again, I take the gospel seriously, But why I think what we do can work in every community is because I think what the New Testament causes us to do is what God wants of us. And if we're not doing it, then you're not going to be able to be connected to that thing that touches our heart the most, you know. And just from a strictly Christian perspective, I mean, you don't grow the church through more bad Christian rock music. That's not what grows the church.
That's hilarious.
What grows the church is by doing those things that God calls us to do. I mean, like, how did the church go from at the end of the New Testament there's only a handful of Christians, right, Yeah, And then by the beginning of the fourth century, Constantine sees the writing on the wall because there are millions of Christians in Rome. How did that happen? Now, most preachers will tell you it had to be because of good preaching. Good preaching had nothing to do with it. In the second and third century, there were plagues all over the Roman world. When people got sick, it was only the Christians who were willing to take care of them. And when people got better, they asked the question who is your God, that I might worship him. That's what grew the church, and I think in our own plague in today's world, when you think about it, there's a lot of parallel here. You know, How is it that we are not realizing that there's so much powerful things that can happen in our own lives if we were to follow down the same path, you know, caring for our bodies, engaging the spirit, you know, not being so connected to technology. This is how we can in our own lives find those things that make our life meaningful.
Man, if you guys are not sitting here listening to this and soaking up the wisdom behind what doctor Scott Morris just said to you, you're missing the entire idea behind church health. And like you said at the beginning, this can fix so much more than just a headache or a broken leg. It can fix our souls and collectively it can fix our souls. And one other thing I want to emphasize you said, I have said on this show and I remain saying it and I will say it forever. I do not care what you look like. I do not care how you vote, I do not care who you worship. I don't care who you love. If you're doing something in your neck of the woods to serve somebody who is not as advantaged or as well off as you, I can celebrate you. It is the one thing that breaks down all politics and belief sets and everything is I don't care who you are, who you love, how you worship, what you look like. If you're serving someone who's not as blessed as you in your community, that is something that I can celebrate. And if I'm doing the saying, that's something you can celebrate about me. And from that foundation we can grow common respect, We can grow and understanding and hopefully erase so much of this narrative that divis us. I believe that with everything I am, and to hear you say that this massive success that is church health was first funded by a Jewish foundation and is now worked in by doctors giving of their time that are Christian but also Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. Does that not speak to the healing of our collective social soul.
It does, And there's so much more to do. You know, one thing we haven't talked about, that you and I have talked about is the you know, these days, fifty percent of our patients speak Spanish and the issue of immigration. I don't know how we got there, you know, but people to think that immigrants in America, especially coming from the southern border, have only been here for like.
Two weeks, the fit a lot longer than two weeks.
The average amount of time that a Spanish speaking immigrant has been in America is fifteen years. And again, you and I have talked about this.
They pay taxes so Security.
You know, you gave me this insight about how they pay Social Security, and the Social Security administration realizes they'll never have to pay that money out. They pay into a system that they can never benefit from.
They prop the system up, I would argue.
And you could not be more right. I've thought along a lot about it here since you first talked to me about that. So but if somebody is building our house in our suburbs and they fall off the roof and break their leg, we have an obligation to take care of them. In my mind, know that fans or butts about it. You know, if I have to look God in the face at the end of time, and he asked me or she asked me, what did you do in that situation? I want to say I did the best I could, and there's I believe if Martin Luther King were alive today, this is the issue that he would be marching in the streets. SOB you know that this is the civil rights issue in today's world, and we don't seem to see it.
I want to say something about that real quick as we close. Right before we close it, the border needs to be sound. We can't be letting anybody wants to come across the border. Across the border, we have to know who's among our ranks. We have to understand what's going on in our country, who's in our country. And the fact is, the hard truth is there are people who want to do our society and civilization ill. And if you want proof, just remember nine to eleven. And you have to have checks and balances, you have to have law and order, you have to have a border. So this is not about that. This is about what Scott just talked about. The average length of time for a Spanish speaking immigrant in our country is sixteen years, not six months. And if you go out to dinner in the next week, one of those people will have played a part in preparing your meal. If you go in a building any time in the next day, if you're not living in attempt, one of those people played a part in constructing the building that you live in. There is not a place in our society that hard working immigrants have not served you, and to ignore that fact and act as if we don't have a moral obligation to figure this out in a better way is frankly just stupid. Yes we have to have secure borders, Yes we have tonew has in our country, but it shouldn't take a person who wants to be their their life eleven years to be able to get a green card. We have a very broken system, and for most of us that is a governmental problem. But where it becomes our problem is when we turn a blind eye to it and we don't accept that there are human beings with souls amongst us every day, feeding us, building stuff for us, doing everything we need done in society, and we do have a more obligation to care for them.
Well said in Churchill does that we do our best, and we're gonna do it tomorrow too.
And I'm gonna root for you tomorrow. Scott Morris, amazing story, phenomenal story, and amazing things You're doing, And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna do something I don't often do. I'm gonna let you have the last word, which is you're getting to enjoy a podcast in Crosstown Concourse, the opposite end of where Church Health is in the Memphis Listening Lab. What do you know about this? Do you know much about this thing?
I do? I mean the listening lab is I forget the number of vinyl records here, ten thousand at least you know from a private collector. And you can just come in here at any point and listen to whatever you wanna hear. And it's a beautiful space and groovy.
What is it about two three thousand square feet? This is not a small place now. Yeah, And once again, this wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Crosstown Concourse, which wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Church Hell, which your legacy has a little stamp on the very place we're having this conversation today, My friend.
I love the fact that you all record here. It's fantastic.
It is very cool. Scott, Thank you so much for sharing your story. Thanks for so much that you do for our city and Thank you so much for what you've done for so many hardworking people across our county that don't have insurance and the belief set that it's not just about setting broken fingers and prescribing pills, but it's also about reaching the soul. Scott Morrise, you are a great man, and I really thank you for joining us. It's my honor and thank you for joining us this week. If Scott Morris or other guests have inspired you in general, or better yet, inspired you to take action by donating to church, hell, starting something like it in your area, volunteering in an existing one, or something else entirely, please let me know. I'd love to hear about it. You can write me anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us. If you enjoyed this episode, I'm begging you share it with friends and on social subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it, Become a premium member at normalfolks dot us. Do any and all of these things that will help us grow an army of normal folks. The more view, the more impact we can have. I'm Bill Courtney. I'll see you next week.