Antong Lucky: If You Lead for Evil, Imagine What You Could Do For Good (Pt 1)

Published Sep 17, 2024, 5:00 AM

As a teenager, Antong founded the Dallas Blood gang and ran the city’s roughest streets. This inevitably landed Antong in prison, where a man told him that if he could lead for evil, imagine what he could do for good. He now leads Urban Specialists, which has transformed the lives of 819 OGs like himself. 

At the beginning, Urban specialists really about gang intervention to get young men to think about things a different.

Way, using people with lived experience, using the using ogsg We just training OG's to say, look, you got influence. If you get yourself together, you can change a generation of young people. You follow you.

You guys even negotiated a truce between the blood and crips.

Right, yeah, we did. We had over two hundred and seven young people who signed a gang peace treaty, who would add war with each other.

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And Toon Lucky, what's up, man, I'm feeling good to be in Memphis.

Yeah, I mean, first of all, and toon Lucky, Lucky is your last name, not a nickname that's something you made up. Matters for real? What a name? I mean, who and Tong is interesting, but Lucky is like, that's yeah, pretty cool man.

I love it man, because ever since a kid, you know that name always. Yet, are you feeling lucky today?

Yeah? I guess I am. Yeah, I feel lucky every day because I am.

Yeah. So that's my name.

That's awesome from Dallas. First of all, thanks for coming to Memphis and joining us, And understand you spend a little time today looking around the city, and.

I was in search of barbecue. I was trying to find a bit what you find, man? We found pain.

Barbecue paints barbecues. A real deal.

Man, I told them ribs.

Did you all right?

Uh?

You got you got? You got to get Alex. You hear me on this. You've got to have cozy corners, barbecue, bloney sandwich. You will, you will make you want to slap somebody.

That's good.

I'm just telling you.

I got to get that before I go.

And then next time you're back, you got to go to the spaghetti shop and get the I mean the barbecue shop and get the barbecue spaghetti.

Barbecue spaghetti.

That's right.

Oh yeah, I got.

It's the real deal. So good. You ever had a.

Cash I gotta have barbecues. Forget the barbecues.

Have you have you had coachy corners barbecue bloney? You ain't? Yeah, it is the real deal. I'm so anyway, you got some pains. That's good because see down in Dallas where you're from, y'all call that barbecue. But what you got to understand is, man, you grill be a few barbecue pork. Whatever y'all doing down there is And you know what, I'm not going in second place.

I'm not gonna even I'm not gonna even take up with Dallas because I brought some people from Louis down in Okay, so they and they did me band I said, I'm not getting that conversation of both. So I'm in search, I mean memph searching for the best barbecue.

So president of Urban Specialists, which we will get to, but we got a lot of work to get there, to understand how you ended up there and why you're doing what you're doing now, because your story is, like many of our guests, phenomenal and actually when I when I studied up on you a little bit, You're you remind me a lot coming up of a couple of other guests we've had similar type background stories, but yours has an interesting twist to it, and that you always seem to have this innate inside of you, depth inside of you, love and care for your your family, and candidly you wanted to be good at school, which is a little interesting twist which we're going to get to. So first of all, Fraser Court, Yes, tell me about what Fraser Court is, man.

Fraser Court is is a little community inside of Dallas where I was born. Uh and at the time I was born at Fraser Court was one of the roughest places to be born into right. It was it was kind of this little piece of Dallas that nobody went to nobody, you know, you you couldn't go over there unless you knew somebody. It was that right. We was the neighborhood in Dallas that that radio disc jockeys and the rest of the city didn't mention. They didn't mention at all. But I grew up there. My father was a project, this project housing project. My father was sentenced to fifty five years in prison when I was nine months and what do you do?

What he do?

He was accused of aggravated robbery, right fifty five years for robbery fifty five and nineteen seventy seventy seven. He altimately did thirty seven years. But growing up there, growing up in the projects, my mother went to work, dropped out of school, went to work at sixteen, and never looked back. I mean, when that situation happened, she went straight to work and she never looked back. And she closed that chapter of her life with my father. The interesting part of that was that when she closed that part of her life, nobody, not even her, ever sat down and began to explain to me who he was, what he was about It was like that after was closed, everybody moved on.

So when you were nine months old.

I was nine months growing up just nine months from from my nine months to my kindergarten years up into middle school, I mean I never had a conversation with anybody about my father. And I remember as a kid, I wanted to know who my father was, but I felt too dumb to ask the question, right because I would go to PTA, I would go to schools and I would see other kids with the with their fathers. Oh they knew their father, that they if the father went in the home. But I could never answer the question of who my father was, and no one never told me. And so what I did and I never asked because because as a kid, I felt I felt like I said, I felt dumb. I felt like if I had to ask you who my father, Who's That's something you supposed to know as a kid. But I didn't know that. And so for me, right mother, working, hard worker, I placed all of my taple in school. So school became my refuge. That was a place where you know, I could thrive and I could flourish. I was a kid that brought the teacher to Apple I was a good kid. Who I remember them discussing with my mother, like, we got to move him up two grades, right, And my mother said no, I'm like, he's too smart, you know, talented and gifts to a rose student and this is elementary school, right. And so as my mother worked, my grandparents were like my primary caretakers. They were the ones who looked at for me. They was the one who gave me the confidence. They the ones that affirmed me. Because when I was young, I was real skin I want this big. I was skinned. I had a big head. I had a real big, little kid big. And my cousins and my cousins, man, they teached me a lot.

They called me blimpy. What's it like, Empy? What's it like to grow up as a fourth, fifth, and sixth grader in the hood. We're supposed to be hard and tough, and you were skinner, a big headed, smart kid.

I'm gonna tell you it was tough. It was tough because and I think what you just asked represent a lot of kids around the country even today. I think those kind of kids, kids like who I were, live this duality, right, this dualism, because on one end, you're trying to be a good kid, because that's just who you are, trying to be an a R student, smart kid, et cetera, et cetera. But then on the other side, you have to be what the neighborhood say you have to be. And that's that whole survival, that's that whole tough that's an environment. And that's something most people don't understand, especially people who are who are busy educating and doing all that stuff. They not looking deep into that, looking granular enough to understand a kid who live in a duality, right, who's trying to be good when in the school, and then when he in the neighborhood, he has to do what the neighborhood says you have to do, because you learn quickly in the hood that smart kids, talented kids, if they get bullied quick. Right, you learned that quick. You learned that early on, Like early on, you learned that, you learned like being so. I remember I used to hide how smart I was. I used to have I used to almost be ashamed of it.

Right.

I didn't like when my family would talk about it, especially when we was all together. I didn't want them to I didn't want them to I remember feeling it, like feeling like I don't say that, no, and you know, and I tried to hide it as much as I could until I couldn't hide it no more, right, and I had to make some choices.

This is a this is early in our conversation to go where we're going to go. Let's go, but I want to go. I want to know what's the difference in you and me? And here's why I say that. Okay, I wasn't nine months. I was four, but my dad was gone at four nothing. Mom had to work hard, and my grandmother and grandfather both SuDS really my paternal and paternal grandmother and grandfather either my dad wouldn't the picture of My dad's parents were good people, so they were heavy in my life through elementary and into middle school. And Mom did what she could, but she had to put food on the table, cook and everything else. Now you know, she wasn't sixteen, she was twenty three, but still young. I was the same age. I had very much of the same things you're talking about in my life. My dad wasn't there. I didn't understand. It was embarrassing. I didn't like when other guys came around and I wanted to do good in school and everything else, but I didn't go down the path that you ultimately went down, which spoiler alert, which we're going to get to all of it, but gangs and stuff, really handidly, what do you think is the difference in you and me? We had the same, We really did have the same. We're probably some of the same dynamics through fifth or sixth grade. Right.

Uh. Before I answered, I asked you one question.

You don't ask me anything you want to, because I'm gonna ask you your neighborhood.

What kind of neighborhood was it that you grew up in?

Wasn't the projects, but it was an apartment. It was drug dealers, lower middle but not the projects.

Shootings every day?

What's that?

Shootings every day? What every day shootings?

Shoots?

Were they shooting your gun shots every day? Did you see drug dealers hanging out every day? Gang members? Never? Okay? I think that's the difference. I mean, I think when we look at when we look at the that's the difference. I think people tend to underestimate the neighborhood environmental influence on young people.

R Shae Cooper was a guest we had some months bot Uh Chicago guy right the hood. He said to me that I don't know how you expect a kid to learn when before he even gets to school he's passed three drug deals, her ten gunshots and literally stepping over pools of blood. And he said, in their apartment, the air conditioner didn't work real well, and they had a plugin fan right, and one of the blades was a little bit out of balance, so as that fan spun, every time it'd spin, it click. Some fans kind of click click click, And if you walked into his apartment never lived there, that click would drive you crazy. But if you live there, you just you just heard. You didn't even hear the click anymore. And he said the reality of my childhood of gang violence and drugs and gunshots and blood and everything was like the click of that fan. People from outside area would be appalled by it, but it was just the way we lived and it just came commonplace. But once you go through all that, once you get at the school, you don't care what Tom the Mayflower came here or what half a fifty percent.

Is right, And just think about the kid who experienced all of that but was trying to care when he got to school that experienced everything he just described, but was trying to care when he got to school, right. And then and then you have a segment of people who say, well, you know, cause I got friends who didn't make some choices. They grew up in the neighborhood. I grew up in too. But when you look at it, some people say, man, how did you let that influence you to go down that road? And if I had the same situation, I don't believe that, you know, the neighborhood can convince you to be a gang member or even consider right. And I said, I it's simple right if I come out of my house, and it's just as plains I can get when I am I growing up. If I come out of my house and I look down the street, I got on a red sweater and I see fifteen to twenty dudes stumping a dude in the red sweater, and they all got on blue sweaters. Intuitive there, I know to go back in the house and put on a blue sweater. Now, I mean a game.

They got to be real bright to know that.

You know that you're in the gang, but you know you see that you're gonna say, oh, I gotta change this. And I got friends who I got friends as we got into the gang stuff and all that who who wasn't as had the pretends to that we had. But because of sure association, filiation, sure geographic, just born in that area, Now you in a gang because you're gonna suffer the same consequences. And those are some of the stuff that I think, I think helped shape some of the decisions that I that I don't care for today, but those were the decisions that I made.

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Thing, glimpy, trying to hide it kind of how's it evolved from there? For you started out and I got to say this man, shout out to my mother because she my mother to this day, had never committed a crime, never been in jail. Uh in her life, and and I learned from her work ethics. She all did. All she did was work. Then she wanted the best, et cetera, et cetera for me, and and I and I and I wanted to please her, and I wanted to please my grandparents. But it just wasn't no match for what I dealt with. As your other guests said, when you step outside the household, just want a match for that. Even at school, I often talk about how school we were being busted into another neighborhood, probably a BYuT, a mile or two down the street, different neighborhood, kind of just like here in Memphis. But if you don't know those boundaries, you'll understand those boundaries. Being caught in those neighborhoods can be serious for you. Right, So my safety depends on how if I caught that bus, because sometime that bus will leave at a certain time, don't care where you're at, and then you're stuck in the neighborhood that's not favorable to you. So then my safety is how fast I can run, how hard I can fight. Some days I fought, had to stay back and fight dudes for no reason, and some days I ran, you know, fast, as fast as I could. But that was the everyday situation. You know, think of a kid's who's struggling to do right, who want to do right, who's trying to do right, who's questioning his identity question Whereas for all this good stuff and maintain A and B on the road grades. But coming back to this, coming back to a neighborhood like this, that stuff we're now they wear you now. You know, as much as I wanted to do right and keep doing right, it got to wearing me down. And I can remember vividly like where stuff started to slip from me, like when stuff started to when was I probably around about eleven twelve, maybe even thirteen. By eleven twelve thirteen, in that age, stuff just started.

And you're supposed to be playing youth baseball and going to the cub Scouts and stuff like that at twelve thirteen. You ain't supposed to be thinking about banging.

Man at twelve and thirteen by that time, you know, like from nine to ten, around ten, that's when it started. Around sixth grade, fifth or sixth grade, that's when it started. By the time I got into seventh grade, we were selling drugs big time, and I had them amputated my personality and became what the neighborhood said.

But one thing, I say that again, you amputated your personality.

Yeah, I amputated who I was to become what the neighborhood said that I needed to become. And I started I put that character on. I became that character. I started being what the neighborhood said. Because this is what I learned, though. I learned that I was a lot smarter than a lot of my peers because remember I was going to school, you know, in those formative gears, and because what I went through, I think it made me very very observant to life, probably more than more so than some of my other friends. But when I when I when I put this put this outfit on, I realized that I was kind of smarter than a lot of my peers because I thought a lot because me and my father, I think primarily my father being out of my life made me think a lot. Made me think about life a lot because I was a kid having some real serious questions that I want an answer. That made me pay attention and question a lot of stuff. And I don't know if that made my brain just far off But when I put this outfit on, I realized, I said, man, I can run some stuff because I was using this. I understood early on that strong rule week, but the wirest rule of moth. I understood that as a kid as ten left thirteen years old a byt thirteen, I'm going to junior high school in limousines making three four five thousand dollars a day selling procaine. That's a Dallas thing. That's going to the area liquor. Stop buying some superior beef supplement and cooking it up with eather base and making it feel like it's crack cocaine, and you can spend bout forty dollars and you can make up about ten fifteen thousand dollars easy.

You're really doing that.

No, we was really doing this. In my book, you know, we were doing that.

So I read that about this time is when the movie Colors came out.

Others came out Colors, Yeah.

Colors, I remember the song, right, yeah.

Yeah, they came out. It came out of the movie theaters. And again for my neighborhood, we didn't have no gang affiliations, but these other neighborhoods they had already the crips that already migrated from California, and these other neighborhood had gang affiliations. What was your neighborhood, our neighborhood that was just phrase of course, Yeah, we were just phrase of course. That's the neighborhood that set back there.

You know, they there was hustling going on, there were drug dealing, but it wasn't We went.

The organized and we didn't have no name for it. We didn't have no name for a neighborhood. Well he probably wasn't never have a name for a neighborhood. But because we kept fighting these other kids and then they were crips. They were blue bandanas and rags. But we went into that and to colors came out. When colors came out, we was like, oh so so the enemy to the crips is the bloods. Oh we the bloods. Just like that, nobody came from California. We just said we four one five bloods, and we're gonna be the most deadliest ruthless gag in the city. Now, you gotta imagine this little neighborhood was probably out numbered one hundred and fifty to one. But we had heart and we said we was gonna terrorize the city, and we did it. I mean, we did it, and I'm not saying that to glamorize. I'm just giving perspective to because it'll yeah yeah, right right, And so we did that and boom. It just we didn't even prepare for it. It just read it like wildfire. Like I never forget.

Man.

I had went to a funeral one of the first friends I went to casualty of gang banging. It were two friends out of Old Cliff with another neighborhood who looked up to us, and they both got killed at the same time. They both were like really fronts lined soldiers for the gags and stuff they had to be. I was just looking at their debituary not too long ago. I was like about fourteen. They was like fifteen and sixteen, fifteen and sixteen, yeah, fifteen and sixteen, and they both got killed, right, And I remember going to their funeral, right, I was like, cause we had Red Dickies and Chuck Taylor's and you know, I still had my Grandmama and me, you know, to be respectful church, all that good stuff. This stuff was still worn in my spirit. And I remember walking into the funeral home. It was like in nineteen ninety three with a red shirt, some dickies, red Chuck Taylor's red bandana. Really feeling like I'm disrespecting this family. You know, my grandmother and grandfather's voices in my head. And I remember opening the door on the chapel of the church and everybody in there, everybody in there, everybody in there except the mother because of the double funeral, had them the same thing we had, like Red Chuck Taylor's red bandanas, even they was in a casket with it. And then and then and then when we went to the cemetery, all of these bloods that we never knew. It was no bloods in Dallas before us, before we said we're gonna be bloods. And so we standing at this we at the cemetery and you have forty fifty hundreds of bloods messkan white, black, Puerto Rican coming from four as they came we never seen, and they were paying hummage to That's when I knew it was serious, because they were paying hummage to us at you know, calling us the OG's and saying what we finna do?

All right, there's as I sit and listen to you. There's almost a sense of nostalgic reverence when I hear that story, which is revolting. It's almost like the way we idolize the mafia, the Italian mafia in the sixties and seventies, like that's so cool, look at all that. But they were racketeers and murders and pimps and everything else. Yeah, and as horrible as it sounds, I think I can almost understand how that may seem cool to a fifteen year old kid. Oh yeah, which in and of itself is really dangerous.

Yeah, flue grit.

We'll be right back. These grandmamas and mamas that are working hard and the ain't been in jail and do love and are in church and everything else. They are so are not stupid. They see this generation of kids getting in this. Why did it stopped? Why isn't somebody putting their foot in the sand and saying, we ain't letting our boys do this. It's tough. I mean, explain that to me, because I know it happens, but I don't understand it.

We're talking about this current generation.

Then back then we'll talk about this courage. We'll get to what you do now.

Back then I think it was different in the sense that and I think you had a slew of grandmothers and mothers who my mother was one who really carried like who really, you know, I hid a lot of stuff from my mother. You know, I hit a lot of stuff from a lot of stuff. When I used to hustle at the car wash, she would ride the city bus. I knew at times she got off the city bus and when that time approached. Now mind you, I'm at the car wash hustling, selling drugs, carrying guns. But when my mother comes down, when that city bus come down the street, I'm hiding to it to it passed by. Hey, I'm hiding. And that was like that. That was true for a lot of my friends, Like our mothers didn't play, but we hid a lot. You know, you didn't have social media, so they didn't see a lot. You know, it would have to be a neighbor. Hey, you had to have a neighbor to say. I got many whoopings off my neighbors saying our neighbors saying, hey, I saw him. Look, I had a cart and at we're not about my first car. I had a called thirteen fourteen to fifteen. I had a call a thirteen. I paid twenty five hundred cash. I for I clean Cadillact Coop the Belle with truth and vols, systement and everything. Right, look at thirteen. I used to park the car down the street because I couldn't drive it to the house. I'm talking about a clean cop.

Yeah, I mean was she She don't want to know where you got that car?

I never drove it to the house.

All the money? Would you hide that?

I hear everything?

Look so you got you got big money in your pocket. Meanwhile your mama working for twelve dollars an.

Hours exactly exactly.

Look you realize how messed up that is?

Mess up? Look, I used to hide the car. I used to park the car down the street until one day my neighb was one of our neighbors told my mother that I was driving the car, and she confronted me about it. Right, that's how she knew I had a car. I can't so the cat out the bag now and she is pissed. My mama is pilled. I don't have drive li some she is pissed. Right, So one day I come in the house. It's in my book to I talk about this part of my book. I came in half of my Mama, you're right making minimum wage blah blah blah. Struggling means you're working. I closed on lit I closed was on lailway. We had to put a lailwey get the ninety days all that. But look, I came in the house one day, man I had I had a woe a roll of money, one hundred dollars bills, and I really felt like, man, I'm man, you know, take care.

Of my mom.

I'm gonna get this money. I know she's gonna be good. And man, I put up with myne under cabinet and she was in the kitchen, and when she turned around and she seen that money, oh all hell broke loose. She cursed me out, told me to get she didn't take the money, told me to get out of her house, don't ever bring.

Let's be let's put in perspective. She lost her husband armed robbery.

Yeah, and you and that look, you can imagine how that pierced my look perception of what I thought I was gonna do like I would. I thought I was doing like I'm finally the man, I'm finna give you. I'm fine I'm giving you a thousand dollars and one hundred dollars bill that at thirteen, fourteen years old, I'm thinking you're gonna be happy. Like my mama did not play that. She she cursed me so bad, all right, and didn't take the money.

So drugs typically, I mean gangs, typically the drugs.

M started that. That's the that's the natural progression of games. It's getting the drug because you got to be able to you know, sustain and all that good stuff. So I started doing started selling drugs. Did that to the point that I had fast in my neighborhood in nineteen ninety five, and I was fortunate. I was me and one other person out of forty eight people fifty forty eight people in my neighborhood, all my friends, they all went fed except me and another friend. I missed the indictment. I can't know why I missed indictment, but I missed the indictment and all my friends got locked up. They did like fifteen twenty years. But when they got locked up, after I realized that I wasn't on the list, I didn't have a secret indictment, it left me. It left the streets dried, up, and it left me out there to make money, and so I started. You know, next thing, you know, I'm making thirty five five seven thousand dollars. Next day, I'm throwing three keys, and I got trap had, I got people working for me, et cetera, et cetera. And now I'm in a position where I'm not selling no drugs. I'm not on the block no more. All I do is just score it and then give it out.

So you are now the leader of the Bloods, right right, So you're not just a gang member, you're running it. Well.

Yeah, And I don't ever talk about this, so I'm talking about this normally in the interviews. I don't ever go deep into that because I don't try to glamorize that, like you were saying earlier, I don't like to talk about it because I don't glamorize it. But it is. It did happen, right, and so it put me in that position where I kind of elevated, had houses. The gang stuff was still happening, but it was kind of phasing out because of the drugs and all that good stuff. And then one day, one day, I remember getting a call from one of the guys that worked for me, and he said he was out, and I had a system like where if somebody as you got somebody who picked it up out the whole. Now you had the system. And so he called me and said you not answer, I need I need something else. I'm out. I said, well, I come by there and can pick up the money and then we'll figure out where he at. When I came by the house and where I had to set up, I had a house on this side of street, a house on that side of the street. On this side of street where you do business on this side of the street. You never go on this side of the street. And I'm never never bring nothing, no drugs on this side.

Of the street.

Just right here. I came to the house, picked up the money. When I didn't even pick up the money. I an't get a chance to pick up the money. As soon as I pulled up at the house, because I was on my way to home depot, because I was renovating another house and I was eighteen and getting ready to go to home depot. Soon as I pull up, get out the car walk to the backyard, I see a van pull up, jumping out and I said, oh, they coming, and so I walked back to the front of the house. By that time another van coming down the street. I lay down mine. You ain't picked up the money, and then they had us on the ground, and then some narcotic officers that knew me personally from on the streets but never had the opportunity to get me. I remember saying, calling the officer name out from his mask, right, And then they went they were searching everybody. I ain't have nothing on I just pulled up no money. So the guy who was working for me, they rolled him over. He had some drugs on him, right, and he had the money on that he never gave me, right, like four or five maybe seven down dollars, So they got the drugs from here. Immediately said that's mine because they were his. He said that's mine because you member me called me that. He said, that's mine. So they put him to the side. Then three or four arcotics officers go into a huddle. One I know, and they said, I said, lucky through it, and I heard him and I said what They said, look it through it, and then the others said, yeah, yeah, look it. Though they went and devised this plan to say I and the guy was like, no, that's mine straight up, yes, right. And I tell that story because that kind of spoiked my whole criminal justice reform type of bone that I got in my body because up until that point, and as bad as I was in my limited understanding, I never felt at that point that public servants, police officers, civil servants would lie. I had this, I had this idea, like a police officer, he can't be lying, he ain't gonna never lie. They ain't gonna never do that. They were very righteous, you know. I had that. It pierced my whole idea that because I witnessed them go into a huddle and because they knew that this the only chain opportunity we got to get him, We got to put these drugs on him. And so they went into a huddle and they said those were my drugs. They saw me throw them, blah blah blah, and they took me to they took me to jail her. And that began this consciousness that ultimately led me to right here that we'll talk about a little bit. But it was that saying that officer, those officers willing to go to court and put their hand on the Bible and say that they saw me throw those drugs, and those are my drugs. That created some in me because I never thought they would do that. I never thought an officer would do that. I thought officers was you know, you don't break the law to enforce the law, then you just like me. So, but that was that was my naivety. I thought that was you know, that was my naivety. And that so on May seventh, my daughter was born, and then May twenty first I got sense to privilem first.

Yeah, I really do appreciate you going into depth on it. The vast majority of our listeners I've never gained bang dealt drugs are been arrested on the front porch, and so perspective matters. It also matters to explain what you do now, which listeners we'll get to first, you got to understand how and why. Yeah, and that concludes Part one of my conversation with Anton Lucky and guys, you don't want to miss Part two that's now available to listen to as his redemption story. It's coming together. We can change his country, but it starts with you. I'll see in part two

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