M warning, May I have your attention at the sounds of the any All punches, including jabs, hooks, and uppercuts will be legal for twelve continuous rounds. Danny Garcia is back to purge the welterweight division, plus Jared Heard returns to strike fear inside the ring on Showtime Welcome Back, Episode thirteen. All the smoke, my brethren, is it? That was a wet one? I got Brady looked good though. Thank you, appreciate hey for this. And I'm excited, man, we got Steph Curry here, man the chef. Appreciate you, bro, thank you for your time. I haven't seen you walk in these l A beaches. And I think I've seen that boy posting pictures on the sunset with his wife. I'm if I'm a Warrior fan. I'm like, oh ship, he's in l A. You know what time it is, though, How I gotta get a little vacation out of the hand feeling. Man, It's all right, It's uh, it's a little different. I ain't had this one before. Um, but surgery, a little rehab and other surgery, some more rehab. But everything should be back to and pretty soon. But I'm just chilling. What I tell people they don't understand is even though the season is kind of ugly right now, you guys are resting and you haven't had no resting five years. Yeah, you got you deal with your reality as it comes. Right. So like Game three when I was before, before I got hurt, everything was about how we just like make the playoffs and put together the young squad and all that. After coming off a crazy you use a part of it crazy? Yeah, five six year runs. So now I got hurt. It just changed your perspective, like, how did I come back stronger? Look at next year, and uh, figure out how we're gonna get back to where we're supposed to be for We'll touched on that a little bit later. But it was the best in the disguise in my mind. You know, um, coming from a mid major, did you ever think that Steph Curry would change the face of basketball the way it's place? What do you think you dream of dreamed of it? Y'all dreamed of playing in the league and and and doing amazing stuff. But I never dreamed of change in the game. That's what I said. I said playing in the league. I dreamed of playing in the league, playing the way that I know how to play the game. UM, when I was at Davison Man, I was six one hundred and sixty pounds when I got there, and I found a coach at the lead to me and gave me an opportunity to, you know, just go out and hoop and learn how to learn through my mistakes. I had thirteen turnovers my first game at Davidson, and he didn't say nothing. He said, just keep moving, next play mentality, all that type of stuff. So I took that confidence through my college career into the league. And though I was still scrawling when I showed up backing on nine playing nellyball, like I knew what I was capable of, and I just put the work in. I think four years later, when uh, I started hitting on the threes and like pushing the record book and that in that respect, and like you know, changing my range and UH and just seeing the court a little different, that's when I knew this could be how I can submit myself in the league. And UH, nobody was really like using it as a weapon like the way that I thought I could. And it's a confidence thing though, like you put the work in, but it's a confidence thing, and uh, you know you got little kids in high school and middle school and younger just jacking up threes and parents and coat. It was crazy because I mean, we had a tournament this past weekend and you know, my boys, they've been around, like we get out there early and Isaiah shooting from behind before the ribbles or anything, like, bro, what are you doing. It's like, Dad, I'm just getting warm. I'm like, you don't want to start closers Like, no, I'm good. I was like, yeah, I listen to the whole story, right because like when I that's my pops taught me the way to to work on your game, like starting the pain, get your convertence, see how it goes, work work your way out, Like I learned that from a young age. And so now everybody sees the finishers and they want that. It's like the process is there's just lost um and so hopefully they they understand that and everybody can can figure it out, just take some time. So not very many people like I said, you've done, You've You've changed the face of the game coming from a mid major, you know what I mean, There hasn't been too many guys have been able to do that. You know, C. J. McCullum, Dame uh Morant, tell me what that was. Like, what's coming from you? So you weren't really highly recruited and you know, you weren't in a top college, but we started seeing you come on the scene when you face these big schools and to be able to take that mid major game and really translated and played in the NBA. It's a huge credit to how hard you have to work. Yeah, I think, Um, like you said, coming from a mid major, it's about who you get to play against and that competition. Obviously our conference we played in the Southern Conference. I bet you couldn't name two other schools in that conference. Like that's just that's part of the journey. But we you know coach McKillip, who's still there is like this year, Um, they moved on to the Atlantic ten, so they moved up a little bit. But in terms of like when I was there, we played against the Dukes of Carolinas, NC States, came out here and played U C. L A and got exposed and understood what it took to be at that level. Once we got to the tournament, what was gonna take to win my freshman year, I was thrown into the fire. I was playing like thirty seven minutes a game at the two spots. We had another point guard, Jason Richards, where I was two years older than me and was like our best player at the time. It was like the steady guy, the steady hand. I got to learn from him. That next year. My sophomore year, um kind of just took off. We had the guys that knew their role. Everybody you know, came selfless, did what they supposed to do. And we were two and six in the first like what eight games, and and and playing those teams I was talking about, and we took that learn from it, put in our back pocket, got to de tournament, and then we started beating everybody. And so, uh, it's just a conference. And you gotta know like that, you can't play with the best. It's not you get laid with that mid major D one whatever. That's just you know, just the history of it. There's not doing talk about what we're about to do this year and whatever. And so you got like you said, you know, damn C J. Joh and you can name them. There's there's guys that just want an opportunity to play, and they got the town, they got the skill, they got the killer instinct, and now you know, more and more guys are showing it in the league. It's funny you mentioned confidence because the four, the three other guys you name, is how yourself. They all carry themselves with high confidence. And I think it's kind of probably like put that chip on my show, like I don't give a fun major. I'm still a killer out here exactly when I was with the Warriors, when you when you came, where were we like when you know, in your eyes, what were we like when you came there before? When I when you got drafting, I got there when you got drafted was crazy. I didn't know much about that specific team. Knew about you. I knew about Monte, I knew by Andres that's it. Corey mcgetty too, Yeah, I know about y'all four. I forgot Court. Yeah, Court is there. So I knew about y'all four. I I mean I watched it was it two years before you were met, uh, and we believe the situation. I knew how like that pride around if you said that word those two words together like just be like yeah, like demon right, So I knew about that, but um, I kind of when I got drafted. It's kind of funny thinking back, I was I wanted to go to New York, and I thought I was going to New Yorks in the draft in the green room, like uh, get to the eight spot in New York and get me. And I got the call from Larry right late, like all right, we're gonna gonna pick you in the seventh spot. Was dry a little bit because him and him and him straight to it, because I remember when he went straight to you don't want to be here. I'm gonna say you this shot all right, as kid to the point I was over my room. I'm half sleep, that's all I get. I knew like it was coming off of like a re restructure where rebelieve it was a lot and then the guys were going elsewhere and playing, So I mean, I knew we weren't gonna be that good, but um, I got to, you know, work my way into the starting lineup and all that. And and as as a rookie, it's kind of hard when you don't know what you don't know, but you just working on word about just hooping and playing and being around guys. One thing that made me most comfortable is I got Anthony Marrow, who grew up in Charlotte, and when I got drafted, I knew he was He had played the previous year, was going trying to make his way back onto the team. Like that made me just hype. I know somebody I grew up with her, just played with in high school and followed his journey, like, let me get close to him and enjoy this righte and learn as I went through. But I was kind of upset with you because why you couldn't pull me to the side and tell me this was gonna be the outcome I was gonna because I heard why why you couldn't put it like O g get traded. I got something story from sometimes say you'll be seeing this a lot. They're gonna making songs about me, all kind of ship. Just stay calm. I wish you could have pulled me to the side. Jack tell that story, because you know he's like I left, He's like, I just didn't know stuff was gonna be stepped. So it was Jack like an asshole back then, because Jack was an asshole. If he didn't really know you were, that was an asshole. But he when you had when you went, and I was no question I think I had that. He's still an asshole. But yeah, right, that was funny because I heard him tell the stories like I wish I would just would have known steps gonna be steff favorite I got. I got my favorite stack story. Uh. It's probably like two weeks before you got traded, and we were on a road trip in Indiana and we went it was like seven of us went to I think steakhouse right down the street from the hotel. The day before, somebody had started like rumblings around your trade rumors and you know this and that, and you were you were unhappy and like people in the the locker room unhappy and like media taking over doing what they do. And I remember sitting at the dinner table and you called up this reporter and cussed him out so bad for writing some untrue, truthful article. I'm sitting there like, this is how we do okay, this is how we do it. We don't I didn't have all let im come controlling stuff like that's how the NBA works it. You don't like like I have to cuss like that. At one point too, I was crying but I just talking like he when you know what he knows and he's passion about something's gonna let you know. So that that was one of my favorite members. Man classic what was playing with my take? Like, man, it was exciting. I think the hard part of how people kind of see us was they talked about the first thing they talked about with me and him is what he said, uh, training camp, my rookie year, like I can play to two young guys can't play together, and and this and that. That was kind of how our relationship, um, you know started. But he the way that uh, his talent and just the way that he had that mindset like no matter what was going on with the team, like give me the ball, I'm rather to get y'all bucket. You know. He did. He did. He was unbelievable, and I think, um, you know, Martha didn't get enough credit in terms of just his journey, you know, coming from high school and y'all know him when he was like young, I got I got the VET version, but he he had a lot thrown on him as a young guy from a leadership perspective, you know, with this team that didn't really have an identity, Um, they had expectations of what y'all left do we believe team and all that, and and uh, you know, nobody's perfect. I'm not perfect in the sense of like anything. But when he called me my second year and I was playing terrible for like two weeks straight and he called me after practice one day and uh and just kind of gave me some good words of encouragement and like, nobody you don't have to do a real has to do it, especially with um pompt like there's a threat between both of us and this and that and the storylines and all that. Like he didn't he didn't care. It was just about like how can we hoop and get better together and get to know each other? And he called me out the blue, So I'm just like, yo, just let me know, like you're feeling pressure, like you're dealing with expectations. I'm doing the same stuff. Like and we couldn't be further different our journeys to get to the league. But you know that was a good connection. Um, Like that's why I was I love man shout out, and uh, that's why I wanted to reph. I would think I got repped with the with the Jersey's last year. I bore to Oracle. I had to make sure they knew how much I appreciated him. So sure, young Tony Mississippi Bullet, right, Mississippi Bullets. Tell me what it was like building with Clay and then Draymond coming along, Because you guys are kind of like the core, the three amigos of what started it and how you guys were home grown through the draft. It's a different story than like today's league, right, but um, it was. It was wild to think with when they traded Monte after, you know, during Clay's rookie year, and that was kind of sign that we're moving into the future. And uh, Draymond comes in the second round pick the steel of the draft. Did you know him before? No, I didn't know. Dream came out just it's hungry dog and I don't know if you'll remember so like that first that they're Clay's second year, Draymond's rookie year. We're playing against Denver in the first round of playoffs and you know David Lee, you guys, he gets hurt in the first game and it was like the perfect opportunity for Draymond the showcase. Just what he's about as a winner, right like his Michigan State you know journey obviously shout at him, just got a new jersey retired. It was always that line, like Draymonds, I got it. Nothing gonna stop open the statue. But he's gonna make winning players and he's gonna show if you gonn pass the eye tests every single time. And for a rookie to step in like that with that confidence and you know, your first playoff experience and make a differences a lot as if that goes you know, goes down like the rest was history after that, and we just took that experience. Obviously. Clay, he's just so want of a com and like low maintenance, low key anybody um knows his role as competitive as hell just and and he can shoot like he has the whole the whole, the whole package in terms of just how he's helped us win championships and and I know he's gonna come back strong after this a c L situation. But for us to be the young guys at one point, now you don't go through everything. I always played on the team, but be thirty two next in a couple of months. Draymond Clay we got, you know, hopefully a good three four year window to go back at it together. Like it's it's it's it's crazy to think about are you and play the best shooting calm or whatever? Goddamn you better say that said something like I wait into the show, like, bro, next time somebody asked, crated you? But yeah, we are. I love it. Yeah, I believe everybody better believe it for sure. Mark was that Mark Jackson said that, uh that same year early yeah, early, he was early early champion of it. But yeah, I mean we still the thea thing. We still got more to the Yeah, but definitely. But I've seen you know, playing playing, getting a chance to play with you guys in the seventeen season. Always compete and get you when I see you guys in practice and how hard you shooting and in the workouts you go through and you guys really don't miss, Like you guys are real live shoes. I tell when people like when I say, like that show was lucky Steph Tuggs, like now steps practice that shot every single day after practice, Like tell me what that's like you said you mentioned in earlier, like people only see the finished three point mad range process but you some of the workouts, you and Katie were doing it, and Clay was on his court doing this thing like it was some of the most unbelievable ship I've ever seen. When you're around greatness like that, it just continues to motivate. You encourage it because you don't want to be to do that that's not continue to getting better. Um. And so like we all pushed each other where we talked about it or not. It's just like a presence thing, like when Katie walks on the court, when I walked on the court, Clay walks on court, Draymond with uh, you know, with his his mind set, in his passion, like it's just contagious and everybody kind of just wants to one up to any a little bit. And so like you said it with Clay, Um, we don't even shoot together really that often. We're on the set the same court obviously goals, but energy and looking at each other. No, I've seen you guys like I went there and I was someone who always just shot after practice. But there's a whole line to fucking shoot after practice. And Golden State, like everyone Andre had his court, dray at his court. You and Katie had a court, Clay had a court. But it was amazing because even though you guys were in your own rhythm and motion, I can sense that you're kind of still you know. I mean, like you said, you want to improve and you want to look Okay, Clay just rolled off this mane. I want to make you know what I mean. So it was dope to just sit back and see, you know, the finished products Championships, but the preparation was amazing. That Ice the nets when they finish Eric Eric Housing. But now he shout out man, he got half man stories. He's man. Shout out Eric Housing. Man. What is he still the head equipment or her resonated? His titles changed. He everything, shout out anything I need from any team though not just I feel you know, somebody and every team. And he got to plug with he He's a special one man. Learning shooting from your dad early on. You know you've seen me and you've been great to my kids. I want to bring him around and have that experience being your dad's shadow early on and learning shooting early on. Is that what kind of got you into the game obviously for sure. I mean just anytime you watch your pops do something if you have a relationship. Blessed that I got to be to see it, you know, when I was like six or seven. He retired when I was thirteen, so for the majority of his career I got to watch and my brother did too. You just you gotta love the game yourself. But just being around and Washington you pick up stuff. It just made me want to work harder. When I was thirteen, out decide I was gonna play the only basketball I got really other sports like that, work ethic and just how to like to be a true professional in this in the sense of every day there's something that you can you can pick up. I used to not only watch him, but all his teammates the same way your kids now. It's it's such a cool and unbelievable experience. I think back, like what all the things that I did see, Yeah, help me to get there so just real quick. Was never like the guy that was like, we're gonna go to the gym right now, we're gonna work out, and like he always made sure me and my brother wanted and wanted it for ourselves. He's gonna help provide, you know, opportunities and give us anything if we ask the questions. But it was never like that drill sergeant type like you gotta do this. Yeah, that his personality ain't drill. You know, that was a thing being with this team. But you know, my last handful of years in the league, I went from you know, Chris, Paul Blake and and and DeAndre Um they actually they got tripped tripping right before that. They were around Kobe in the locker room, around Lob City in the locker room. And then I came to you guys, and Coach Kerr was amazing, you know as far as just allowing access to families and in the organization, taking care of everything you need to you just focus on basketball. But I was bringing the twins you know, on the team planes ball boys and where they shot. They were shooting with you guys. Were in the Eastern or Western Conference finals against Houston and they were over there shooting on the court during practice with you guys, Like it's kind of ship that like you can't make up you know what I mean. And I wanted it's cool that you remember that and hold on to that because that's what the kind of experience I was trying to give them, Like you we're on Steph Curry, Katie Clay, Draymond Kobe. I mean, you soaked that up like a sponge as a child, and it's something that it's dope that you recall it now because that's what I was trying to build for my kids. So I know that shaves your perspective too. And obviously there's a dad um that can go the opposite way where you get a sensement tied them man, because you have access to all this stuff, but knowing you know my dad, like they weren't gonna let that happen. Clay is the same way like when my when Michael, like you can you know, show your kids these cool experiences and let them meet amazing people and have them around because you want to share that with them. But it's also on the back end, like my pop's always say you're gonna work for whatever you guys, nothing's gonna be given to you. And that was a message that he made sure and he said he's cool as a family. He makes sure I knew that part, like, um, you're gonna work for whatever you got, just like he did coming up. No matter who your parents are, at the end of the day, like you gotta figure it out for yourself. So you have Mark Jackson and you transition to Steve Kerr. Talk about that Mark, Well, they're very similar in the sense they're they're super competitive and they they both obviously come from their playing backgrounds where they know what it's like to be a player. They know whatever what you go through on a daily basis, They know how to communicate, they know, you know, just the little touch, you know, points that you you to have, Um, haven't been in our shoes on player. So the biggest differences for Mark, we were young and we were unproven, and he had to create an identity and create an edge for us that you know, gave us the comments to walk on the floor so that we can be in any team any given night. And he's an unbelievable motivator in terms of just the way that he can, you know, articulate himself and give you some some type of fuel on a nightly basis. Like he would come in in the locker room, Uh, and he wouldn't We talked about extra game plans, but then he's spent like five minutes just talking about life and like the perspective of you know, how much you know what makes us all different while we're on the locker room together when we're about to go down here, and and he bring it around something like you know, pretty funny, serious sometimes story that just made you like your blood star bulling, like all right, oh, we we got a game right too. Let's go like let's go for young guys like like like we were at the time, like we needed all that edge and that competitiveness and that and I gotta would go to war for you in the media and the locker room. Sometimes it was to a detriment a little bit up for upstairs, like we're all just uh, we're just grinding trying to get to that next level. And he helped us. Uh, he helped us get there. And there's no secret I didn't want fired when when when they went down and um, you know with Bob Myers and Joe Lake and Peter Goober, they wanted to make a decision and they brought in Steve and and my my whole point was like, if you fired coach Kurve, I mean, fired on coach Jackson, you just gotta get the next higher, right because we're in a position now where you can take that next you can't mess it up and and obviously they got it right. You know, Coach Curve is uh, he's special man like he's he's wise, you know, just in terms of you know how to how to manage people right, Like that's that's a big thing in the league, no matter if it's the first guy the fifteen guy. You gotta be able to be honest, be able to set the expectations um and figure out your ways to get the best out of out of guys. And I think anybody that would play for him would tell you you always know, like where you're at, Like you always know if you if you get a couple of d nps, he's gonna tell you why. He's gonna keep you engaged. He's not just gonna walk by and not say nothing. And we've had experiences like like that across the board, and I think that's the biggest thing for long term success. Like you know, you who your best players are. You know that they're gonna go out and do what they need to do every night, but you know your role players and the guys that are gonna help you do out the regular season and have those spot moments during the playoffs that's gonna make a difference, like they gotta be engaged all year long, and it starts in the summertime. The training, camping all the way through and coaches is the best that just being able to paint a picture of how you're gonna help this team and being real, like you feel that care factor that he that he brings, and uh, it's been an amazing journey. He's obviously had the best five year run of coaching. He's a great motivated to I want a championship with him. When when I was with the Spurs and I remember used to come out the game a lot, you know, when Pop used to pull me from making the mistakes. And I remember in the finals, you know, I just start I didn't start game six off or well at all, and Pop kept pulling me. But he kept coming to me like you're gonna make some big shots, I guarantee you, And he kept telling me that you know, I guess KO and I wasn't, you know, I was in the funk, so I really wasn't hearing them and up making three big threes again in the championship game to win the championships. So he's one of them guys that he's so educated so smart about the game that he can see that you don't even And the cool thing about it too is he's had every seat and almost and and wanted every seat right. So you're talking about like Chicago to San Antonio winning championships, to be in the gym with his Phoenix suns and seeing what it's like to really manage a roster, and then you go he's an analyst where he gets to just see the game and talk to people and just be connected and and then he's a head coach and it's like he's got it. So this year is actually interesting because we obviously have a you know, young team and trying to figure it out and and it's testing him in different ways. Over the last five years, he hasn't been testing and tested and uh, I mean he's hand on man. It's it's obviously our record is not great, but um, all the young guys, when you asked him like how like you hear what they have to say about him and how they make him feel like amiss, the struggles that they're going through. It's, uh, that's says that says a lot. You don't have a problem with the flyweed. I don't think no he's someone that I think, I think joys the well. I remember when I was playing, he had the spine stuff, right, So I remember that's when he was kind of dabbling in the CBD space because it was sad. I remember because I was hurting the playoffs too. He couldn't sit, Like if he could sit for two minutes, they didn't have to lay, they need to have to walk around. Then he would try to sit like his pain was enormously through the roof. So it was one time. It's kind of awkward though, because head coaching player current is my last season, you know, not knowing, but it was my last season. I was just like, you know, do you do you smoke? Do you take CBD? I mean, I'm asking my coach that just because I'm seeing like the how uncomfortable and how how how in pain he is, and you know, I tried this and I tried that, and it was it was just hard because he's such a good guy, but he was really going through some ship with that spinal stuff. He was going through crazy. How long did it take for you guys to bond? You know what I mean? Like I said, you were a big advocate from Mark Jackson you didn't want to fire, but you were persistent on making sure it's the right higher. Once you kind of realized that he was the right higher, how long to take you guys to bond? I said that first that first year, like leading up to the Christmas game. Um, that's probably the point where I got comfortable understanding, you know, how I was gonna help or how I was gonna take advantage of assistant that he put in place, because it was drastically different than than than coach Jackson. So, um, we always laughed. He you know, talking about ball movement. Um, you know player movement, you know, just making the right open pass, keep keep the ball moving, and something's gonna something that's gonna lead to a good shot at some point. Um, we had certain like reads and calls left very some of the spurs uh systems, And he always say, like, you know, this is it's pretty intuitive what we're trying to do. But you know, we just got to get the fundamentals and the foundations of it for this year and then next year, you know, when we really got it and everybody understands where to be and when you know in the timing of everything, like we're really gonna take off. But it's like funny because that first year we wanted we won the championship, and every day it was about just keeping things simple, right And as a point guard, that's that's I loved it because my game, I try to keep things simple, like take the first open shot. Your handles ain't simple, far from it. Your handles are not simple. Beyond that, if it's if you open from thirty shooting. If not, move it, get off and get off the ball, get out the way somebody else make a play. We obviously we're blessed with a lot of different playmakers. You know, you've got myself, Sean Andre Draymond from the top, we keep playing. We have bigs that could pass with bogan um and all that. So like it worked because of our personnel. But that's just a fun way to play basketball. Um and it's obviously proved success. But when you know, like everybody feels involved and like they know to get but they all to be a threat. I do. Nobody knows who liked to shoot, and that's what makes you so dangerous because everyone is. Because I caught both ends of you guys obviously kind of we were I wouldn't even say, big brother, but what kind of you are? The Lob City team was kind of your battle and your barometer from the time we beat you guys until you guys win in the championship next year. So we saw the Mark Jackson building that foundation. And I'll be like, oh, these young motherfucker's about the guys and Draymond because I remember we had CCP and he was the guy, and Draymond was like fun that I'm taking Steph Curry every single night, and he was doing some fun up ship to our team, like stepping on chris Is shoe making a fall getting jump. He stepped on the shoe. And then the one time in Golden State where you went in between our the whole team at the free through came out and turn around shot. And then when Kurt was like and he made it. It was probably one of the most unbelievable shots. He don't even you're dribbling around down, free throw, line back, turned around, fade, three points, like all kinds of crazy dribbling in between. Now just like this dude, and men like you can't do nothing, dope. Serious, serious was so much in it. But that's when we knew, like I knew being a bathroom mind was like these motherfucker's got next in it. Scood be next for a minute, and it was. It was amazing. Like I said, we were still competitive and wanted to kick your guys asses, but we can see what you guys are building and how special you guys were that last year. I mean that that's serious. I think was when the all the sterling ship Sterling ship that happened. It's kind of crazy, Like you talked about two teams that this is, to be honest, they hated each other. There's a lot of animosity and history and all that get into a seven game series. Then you got all the other in thea drama going on and we're like having conversations and if they don't make the ready like what we're gonna do. We're gonna protest, We're gonna you know, walk off the court, like what what what? What would have done? They would have decided not to play? We had a we had conversations like if they would have done the wrong thing in terms of not kicking them out the league and having you know, lifetime band or whatever. There's talks about us going to jump ball. The jump ball we all shake hands and just walk off the floor. That would have been so hard. Part of me, that would have been crazy. We should have did it anyway, when you think about his place in history and what it would have been right that it would have been up as hell. Yeah, that was a crazy thing that definitely likes. We lost and we sit there watching it in the next round, but it definitely helped us. But I think too, and I can say this because I think people not like it was a perfect sign of we had the most talent in the NBA. They were a young team that had a ton of talent too, But what set them aside is they really fucked with each other and their chemistry made them better than us. You know, even though at the time we were older, bigger, stronger, we had more talent. We should have probably won the finals. Like you could tell this team was up and coming, but they really they put from the outside looking in. Once I got there and I saw the whole situation from Katie and how you guys really put your game, your egos, everything to the side. But from the outside looking in early on, I'm like, these guys just want to win. They don't care who scores, what's going on like they're just out here playing basketball, laugh been jumping and having a good time, and those are scary teams. That's part of our DNA, man, and I think that's why it worked, because if you have that much talent and you stress out about whatever, like somebody else's success or if you're getting yours and all that, like, you gotta set that foundation earlier before I guess that gets out of hand. And that's that's why we accomplished what we did. Man. Winning the championship is always good. You got a couple of them, motherfucker's three? Which is it a favorite one? The first one? For sure? The first one is the favorite. Just why because you don't know what, like what it takes to get there until you actually accomplish it. And it's just a whole another level level of freedom after that. And you got one, like we can get greedy now. The stress of trying to get that one first, even that's that's a stressful time, like even I mean, and you're playing Braun and obviously they had injuries and whatnot, but just like the just the ground eighty two games, you gotta be locked in everything plus six team win when we took us twenty one or twenty two, whatever it was to get there. And you know how intention playoff games are. Man, it's like it's so hard to put in the words. But when you finally hit the horn, sound were in Cleveland like celebrating changes off, like all right, this who knows what's about to happen from you know, it's dope. When they went back and playing next year, he said it, he said, that's got a little bit of asshole ship talking to him, but he just covers it up with a good image. That ship was slick as I was like, oh, he's an a boy. You had you have three championships, uh you know the two losses, yeah, one of the Like you know how close you were there possibly winning four or five without injury last season, Like, tell me what that's like. I just love being in the conversation. Man, every year if you get in the finals, like it's crazy, it sounds not many people get that experience. You know, some some time greats never played in the finals or never one, so like I it just has a gratitude for that. Obviously, as a competitor, it sucks when you lose, Like everybody, the sixth team was hard sixth team was you know, just up and down crazy, you know, playoff run obviously sevent three and nine. Damn getting to the playoffs. I get hurt miss like three weeks of the playoffs, come back. We we get to Western Commons finals, were down three one, like people think our seasons over with come back, so we were on both sides of the three one situation. And then the finals obviously, you know, I think the wheels just fell off and Kyrie and Lebron played unbelievable three straight games. Like I don't think people talk about that part of it as much as always like, well, like we got but we didn't lose, we got beat. So part of it is is just like each story is each year as a different like narrative and an experience. And I look back like I I appreciate each and every one of them because I won't remember who you went to war with. And you know, those wins were special, but even the losses, like you gotta put into perspective. Man, we're in the finals, like great players. It was a fight, Like I think at the end of the day when we all you know, hosting our own podcast, like and I look across the room, and I see Brian and Kyrie and Kauai and Kyle Lowry like and like, yo, that was fun, right, Let that stay away as long as I like this. You touched on the real quick. And I think what gets lost in the shuffle is that seventy three and nine season, Like what was that like? Knowing that you guys were eggbox shit crazy? Every seemed like the season around you here Pip talking a little bit and Horma bulls talking and they're not going to be able to do it, and you guys went seventy three and nine and but then you hear about what they didn't want the chance, like you know, I think what gets lost is you guys lost nine games and once that's incredible'eable? What was that? What? What was the regular season? And that dreamed you guys, people understand that's a mental dream to the physical dream. What's that mental dream? So I think it started in the summer between so we want the championship in fifteen, All season happens, and all we hear all the years we got lucky, right, That's all they're all we hear is Cleveland was heard. Mike Conley was hurt, like whatever the narrative was and we don't care, we want a championship. All we want to do coming in next year is like the validate, right we start off twenty four and all. So like that part of it alone was like that was about that. That part was the craziest thing in the world, just because we had O D confidence, we had chemistry like you said, um and like the change was off. We were just like, let's just go, let's just go win every single game and you know, to go twenty four and oh, like the intensity of that to start the season is it was worth it. But it was a lot and you know, the the just the chase down the stretch. Every game was like the finals and we have been celebrating right there us champagne, let's go bab Everybody's like, do we regret going after sevent three wins because we may have flamed out in the last in the finals. No, like that was an amazing accomplishment. We knew we could do that and go, you know, win another ring and we were right there obviously. So uh it is bitter sweet. You look at the banner and says seventy three and nine most wins in league and it doesn't mind you right for the finals, but everybody thought seven two nur was untouchable, and we got it. So that's the beaut of the league. Like it just keeps getting better and better. So we'll see. Tell me your thoughts on because today you're such a you know, join another team or big trade, but the root of your team was through the draft and then that positioned you to be able to pick up KD and free agent. Tell me about that whole process. I mean, I'm not the best one to ask. I've been with the same team for eleven years, but it's like the landscape is different, right, There's a lot more player movement, player freedom, and and that's a great thing to have where you know you can control your own destiny in a sense like um, there's been plenty of teams that have thought that you know, they're big two, big three, was gonna get it done, but it didn't happen, and you gotta take a shot at it. You gotta go after. Every year is precious. We all know that, and so I love the the I guess you caught the suspense of it like every summer, Like all right, how drastic is the league? Differently is the league gonna look next year and the summer was crazy. Um it's going to get even crazy as we go through. So there is something pure about like you said me, Clay Draymond setting the tone of building an identity for a team that then made it make sense for Katie to be you know, he wants to join it. Like it's like he knows what we're about and he could take at another level. And so to be able to build that the way we did and and have the memories that we do and then now be on the other side of and say, okay, keep that same identity, that same you know, championship mentality. Let's go for another window playing against teams that's gonna be shuffling and doing a lot of you know, changing throughout this throughout the summer. So it's it's fun to watch, I know for NBA fans, it's gonna be amazing year around. That's what continues to make the thing that business grow. Hopefully I can, I don't. I don't want me nowhere, so for you don't have to worry about that. It's good Man good beaches down here, and it's nice, but the bay is good. It's different. Tell me what it was like when when when it finally happens, when when you guys signed k D. Was there back and forth talk did you know where you're part of it? Like, tell me what it was like when you landed them. Yeah, we went out. We went out there to the Hamptons and we met with him, and part of it was again kind of just said like we knew who we were as a unit and knew it what kind of us and he was and obviously his skill set and I'm matching, so it makes sense. Let's go, let's go get this dude. A lot of people are talking about me comeing out of the m VP year and the sacrifice and all that type of stuff, like it's about winning. Like obviously that does go through your mind, like, oh, I might not have twenty two shots this year, it might be like nineteen and some change and play a different style. But for the most part, it wasn't really that drastic of a change. You know, we know how we're gonna get our shots, and everybody has a different style. Nobody really stepped on each other's toes, and so it made sense. Um, I didn't know until he called me the morning of his decision. I was in Hawaii actually, so the time differences. I was asleep and I woke up to seventy eight text measures and calls like like he was you know, I hit him back, and just that's that was the start of of three great years, um that we'll remember for a very long time. And all the all the stuff that uh that's happened, that happened last year, and and uh and obviously the unfortunate injury and all that type of stuff is a tough ending to an amazing, you know, time period, you know, being for the Warriors. But man, we've got two ships, almost got three, like the hell of a run. Tell me what it was like, because, like I said, you guys had your identity and knew who you were as a ball club and knew each other like the back of your hand. Tell me what kind of sacrifice it took from you know, he said, you're coming off as you have the unanimous MVP previous year, right, first time in history, Clay is being Clay Draymond a fucking dog. So tell me what it was like when you get some of his caliber and then how everyone it seemed I wasn't there at the beginning. I got a taste of it. But it's seamless from the beginning, like everyone checked their egos and checked you know, the most important thing was winning. Yeah, the egos are checked for sure, I say that. But at the end of the day, we all gotta keep by you, right if we all have our best version of ourselves, like selfless the better word. Yeah, I like that. So that was that was that was known from the jump um on the court like excess and those and just stout. I said, it wasn't a big adjustment for me, but I had to make the biggest adjustment in terms of you know, Draymond such an amazing playmaker, and we had an offense where we could get him the ball and uh, guys are just moving around setting screens for each other. Somebody's can get open and he was gonna make the past. Kay can play in that style. He can also just get the ball anywhere he wants to and one on one and let stopping and clay. Same thing. All he needs is this much daylight and he's yes, true, he's so good moving out the ball um. All he needs is a touch and is going up my pick and roll stuff, which I was kind of the bread and butter of you know, the two years prior to the m VP years and all, that wasn't that many opportunities because that was like the fourth option in terms of, you know, I was getting a good shot because we're all threats on the floor. So that first like two or three months, it was just a subtle adjustment in terms of for me just knowing, you know, when I was gonna be able to dominate in certain stretches of the game, and like how we could balance all of that. And once we figure that out, Uh, we had a good run. K got hurt. Actually, Uh, I think like February, Yeah, yeah, which is a crazy story because two guys got jerseys for like a half crazy right here. That Yeah, it was crazy. Thankfully we got the right guy, and uh we went on a little run when you came. Ka was out, and that helped everybody understand like this, this this system is gonna work. K is gonna come back healthy. We're gonna hit the ground running for the playoffs. And we went in sixteen and one in the in the in the in the playoffs and one. So uh, just the a collection of guys that just wanted to hoop and play basketball at the highest level and didn't care how it's gonna get done. We're just gonna we're gonna make it happen. And uh we did all right. Like I said, I was blessed to be able to come in and watch you guys and be a part of that. But what I saw from the outside looking at is when I got a chance to be on the inside, and then after I was on the outside again, did you guys ever feel actually speak for yourself? It always seemed like the media tried to make it Katie and the Warriors. Did you guys feel that? I definitely felt that, And that was I mean, anytime you have greatness, they're gonna try to break one way, to find some way to to just get their foot in the door. So yeah, it was always like the draft, the drafted guys, plus you know the higher distassin Katie unfair with It was never this. There was always like the Warriors and Katie. I mean, as a fortunate as that narrative is, it couldn't have been further from the guy. So like, that's the hard part when you when you at the top, like it's a daily reminded you have to come in with the right perspective, because after one one person slips or one rumor, narrative submense itself in your head, like we were on spot like all the time, man, Like, don't think people appreciate that part of every single day. It was crazy too, because when I came in, like you said, we went on a cooler to run, and like, not because of me, it was just because of what that we know that obvious is what I was trying to port. That came out wrong, right, It was. The record was good, though what I meant to say was way to not contribute in the playoffs, so I don't even count that championship. We'll get into that later. But I appreciate I appreciate the free ride. What I meant to say was we went on a hell of a run when Katie was out. But you would hear those rumors like look how good they're doing without him, and I'm just like, damn, people really talk like this not knowing. I appreciate people not knowing like how good he is. But like they say, they'll see the team doing what they're doing and you know, staying on that consistent pace, and you start hearing like, oh well, they don't even need, and I'm just like, that's insane, like you know, but realized, how motherfucker did this guy is I'm good that you're sick. You finally had a moment. I'm just saying, came out wrong. You say at the pig pussy fort, that's how that's how blatantly obviously it was one thing before we transition, man, I wanted to touch on, is it explain explain Draymond to people who don't know Draymond, because I think he's one of the most misunderstood people. Got a good heart, but sometimes it comes off the wrong way, and it's sometimes it's problem ful. Sometimes that's what's needed. Explain who he is in your first The first way I explained him is that Draymond and basketball player is not Draymond the person, right, So like we all know Draymond the person. Nicest dude, Karen, do you always checking in on you? Yeah, He's loyal, like everything about him, like off the court is somebody you want like around, you want somebody in your camp, like like dreaming on the court, the same way he comes with that passion comes you know a lot of volatility in terms of you know, it could it galvanized us as a team. Make sure you know, we got a lot of nice guys finess games and myself included, like you need that fire like somebody that's that bulldog. And sometimes he'll admit the same thing, like sometimes, um, it does get in his way because it might distract from just playing basketball. But over the course of whatever, the nine seasons we've been playing together, I'm taking that every single day of the week, and so and the and the bad is that's an opportunity to learn, right, Like that's that's that's that narrative is kind of tough because his transgressions were just exposed on the court, Like and the guy that he was what you know, first championship run whatever, is not the same dude, and he's evolved and learned and like we all have. It's just you know, he wears everything on the sleeve and so everybody gets to have that journey with him almost he's like the dad out there now, like he's you know, having rested that great minds out there playing like you know, twenty something. It is the game. I talked to him here and here and there, and it's just he's just a good dude. Man. He takes everything in stride and has peop don't understand how intelligent he is and and his basketball mind is is second to none. It is. I think Andre said it like he's his i Q is is the best he's ever seen. And and either it comes out with him trying to make an adjustment or it comes out and what he says to a certain person at a certain time to get them to do what he wants him to do to help the team win. Um, him understanding his own game and how he's gonna be the most effective out there every single night. Him knowing every single player in this league and on every tendency you have, every pet movie, he would understand. Man, his mind is sick. Mind is sick. So yeah, that's my that's my guy. So what do you like to do now that you know you're down for a while? You you haven't had this as a professional, like when you know extended amount of time down, Like what are you? What are you doing right now? The crazy part is like I have three kids, seven, four and one, and the first like three weeks, I was hurt and I was just quitter, like to stay at home there like doing all the stuff that I've always wanted to do, like take him to school, you know, pick them up. That all the extracurricular activities, my daughters and horseback riding, you know, playing soccer, like just being at every event without an excuse that I gotta go somewhere, I gotta be on the road trip and stuff. It was uncomfortable because I was instill in that competitive mindset and I didn't really know how to you know, use my free time because everything was centered around you know practice or pre practice routines, practice post practice recovery and get ready for game days and traveling all that type of stuff. So when all that's taken away, it's kind of an uncomfortable like you know reality for a little bit. But now, um knowing I still got you know, months to to get back and get healthy, um trying to lean into stuff. I got all off the court a little bit obviously as a as a teammate, I haven't been at the games because I've been down here, you know with surgery and rehab. But you still gotta be you know, president leader and help these guys you know, developed, because this is gonna help set us up for for years to come. But um, in terms of balance, and the stuff that I have on and off the course another opportunity just kind of get your mind right and personally just get a perspective on you know, what's important. And for me, like, I got a lot of cool opportunities off the court man, like doing some stuff in production uh side down here with my company Unanimous, who's doing stuff with Sony. Y'all know, I love to play golf and there's a lot of opportunities in the golf business that hopefully I can influence and inspire. H Can you talk I don't want to talk about some of the stuff you're doing because you're doing some amazing stuff that I think you got highlighted, but people don't understand what you're doing. Can you explain to what you're doing at the colleges and stuff. Yeah, So like in the golf space, UM, I've been playing since I was ten, and you know, it's a predominantly male, white, male dominant sport and it's expensive to play and it's really hard to get in and so trying to grow the game, UM, to underrepresent the communities. There's a lot of talent. They just needed the opportunity to be able to get out there and understand what you know, you know how to play and and gets that support so that they can compete. And so because that provides so many opportunities and in this day and age, and so part of that was, like, um, Howard University had a Division one golf team like way way back and they lost funding. Um there's a lot of HBCUs that have a golf program, but Howard didn't. And so part of uh, you know, my aim to grow the game and get some exposure around it was to try to bring the Division one golf program back. And so I sponsored the team that's gonna start next year. It's gonna be Division one golf program. Um, we're gonna have three or two scholarship UM golfers, both two men to women to start the first team and uh and hopefully be able to set up an endowment over the next six years where that's gonna be something that's gonna be around forever. So UM, it's exciting, man, because you know, I think not many people know how how great of a game it is one, but but to just how many opportunities you have you can go to school and play golf and get an education, especially like the place like Howard like that says the rest of your life. And you can use golf just like we use basketball as it was a vehicle to do it. So it's pretty cool. Your dad said once that if you didn't play basketball, you probably could have went pro and golf. He said that, I I kind of believe it because how hard, how hard I worked at fact I wasn't playing that same thing, but always like hesitate to say it because I respect respect. It was a profession. I've seen him play and just it's just another level, man, And for me to just go ahead and wild out and say I could be a fresh golfer, Like I wish somebody would say I could be fresh and they playing, you know you couldn't. But I think I said I was playing for a long time. I love the game. I'm I'm I'm a golf junkie, golf nerd. It's kind of I'm kind of obsessed just being on the sideline, you know, watching I know it sucks. I mean, we've all been hurt, we've all been on side and I've never played. But watching your team go through what they're going through right now and not being not that the league, you know what that's like what is that? Like? Is that frustrating? Come frustrating? Um, Like when you're in the win, in the fighting and that like in the run that we are. It's so it's hard to separate yourself and really like be okay with Okay, this might not be our year. Like that's a really hard thing to to accept. Um. But it's all apart like history and NBA, like nobody's had a run like we've had. And if you look like the Spurs teams in the past, like they never they never went back to back, right, but they had seventeen year run where they were just dominant and uh and they were able to figure it out over time and put different pieces together with their core. And that's kind of like what we have the opportunity to do now going into you know, next year and beyond. So uh yeah, that's that's that's the best way. It's still it's still kind of still new. I wouldn't say it's it's it's comfortable yet, but there is an understanding of just where we are balancing, you know, these last five years and what's what's the you got plus you got pluses on the team. Pascal Ball is good to see he and he he's that dude, like just the confidence because it's just how hard he works. But you can't teach that right, you can't be born with you gotta be born with it. You gotta be able to step on the floor and have that that presence and like the man like I'm here and he's definitely shown that. Kyle Oman, who uh is our two AY player, Damian Lee are two A player. They both have promising futures in the league and hopefully we can keep them around. Um, you know a lot of guys that just like my rookie years stone in the fire, learned on the court like and part of the conversation with those guys, I think that's the we all know. That's a much better way to learn as opposed to most reas just get camped on the bench or in then the G League and have to uh to learn about watching. Um, I'd rather have this experience and it's gonna be It's gonna be huge for them down the road. Tell me what it was like. It's kind of a two part you're on the way uh leaving Oracle went that was like, but then the Jersey run you had kind of representing our old squad man salute. Yeah, that was as the O G of the team and like the only one that uh you know from from the froman and you know, it's my tenth yer in the league. And so it's a cool opportunity. I called it ten for ten in the town. So I had my current sixes. I had a whole color way slate that was kind of highlighted stories of um, of my my journey throughout you know, those ten years, and my connection to Oakland and our family base over there. And it was a cool opportunity just honored that the last forty seven years playing in the Oracle because of how much you know history there is, how Oakland's riding down and good bad everything and uh and so like part of that last like five home games, Uh, I picked five people to kind of honor them and their presence with you know, with for dubbed nation with the old school jerseys and all that. So, um, this was it. Uh, Stack was first b D Monte Andrew's bidrons Google wherever you're you're somewhere getting drunk. I know right now everybody black black. But so it was a cool opportunity just to just highlighted man because we were. Everybody knew we were moving to Chase Center, and I mean, whether you whether you liked it or not, it was happening. We appreciated. Man, that was good. I couldn't believe that. On my social media, I've seen Draymond wearing it was crazy because we had to feel more five. That's what we were. We were in the streets of San Francisco doing it. We shouldn't do that. And then you guys are the Hampton five. You guys are a little more studious. It was because I was very smarter than we were. But when I got a chance to play, you know, I said, I briefly got a chance to come back and play with you guys. Like the love out there for that team and when we had built was crazy, you know what I mean. And then you were huge and and always honor in our team. And then I remember the year we we I want to champion you guys in seventeen, like you wore the we Believe warm up shirts. So you guys, you guys always showed loving it. It was kind of assembled what Oakland in the Bayery. It was like as a whole because they always paid homage, like it was crazy. The love they showed in those fans, how much they appreciate that. I said, I won the championship with San Antonio, but the Wars organization is the only team that made me feel like family. Every year they bring me back, made me feel like made me feel like they appreciate what I've done my time. Then that's the only team That've done in my career. It's crazy, man, it's great. Shout out the War down and they got pictures, they got some pictures. I was up in the north. It's a whole journey. But like, do we believe and in our in our championship run, that's dominance, So we gotta go check it out there. We got to the last thing on Oracle. What was your most fondest memory or best game that comes to mind? Um? There? Uh, I mean I think most probably winning the the finals there and celebrating with all the fans like we had been waiting a whole year to have that, because we had two opportunities to do it the year before and and got beat and the next year we got it done. You know, celebrate where you win home. We went at home from our game six. Was not like when when they wanted that's how it was celebrated at the house. I felt like, I felt like we wanted a warrior, but I'm a warrior. I saw so like just watching the clock run down, just seeing all our fans stick around. Fatty was driving and put the stage down, like all our families are out there and you just celebrating the championship. But you and your home venue like the town. Yeah, but the town. I wanted to wear my jersey out of there, artest ship. And you couldn't tell my kids they weren't on the team. They were holding trying to hold steps trophy, trying to hold the m v P like they were in the mix of kids and something. People hit me up like, Yo, yourselths are all over ESPN like they were upfront, like you would have thought they were steph kids. We gotta salute you with that bad for getting them both rings. Like what I'm saying, like, we gotta salute you for that. You know what I'm saying, Dad, We gotta give your props. We don't get you while you still here. I did as much as they did in the playoff front, but I appreciate that your sons probably played more than That's what I just said I did as much as the twin. I was hurt though. I have the fund up part though, because I finally get a chance. Like my whole thing is I took less money to win, and I in the sit where I can win, so that I come in because Katie gets hurt, you know, play well and then the game Katie comes back, like I almost break my ankle, So I'm thinking, a right funk, I gotta hurry. If can get this ankle, he want to play that, I'm gonna win a championship. So for me, like when I tell people the story in the seting with the seventeen stuff, I don't really count the ring because I was someone who always I had to get out the mud, you know. I mean, so I wasn't out here fighting with these guys. I was in and out Patrick all three of his you got to count. It is different. It's different going to shine the same. Your name is on that roster. I think when they say NBA champions, when they introduced me and you want ship, they say two NBA champions out of here, that should county. I don't want to hear that. You think Ray still got my I got a truck right down and get my ring because I left it at the thing because I wait, what when they came in introduced it to me, they had locked it up before they locked it up during the game. For me, it's only one we know who is right from Oakland. He got locked out. You got a locked down transitioning um, meeting your wife at fifteen and having a public relate. We had d Wade and we spoke to d Wade. Uh, you know about a public relationship and your wife is obviously blazing her own path. But tell me what that's like. You know, obviously a childhood love that's transitioned into a beautiful marriage with the family and kind of the prototypical like this is like the new family that the curries, or you know, a power movement, which is wild to say because I'm just living my life. Man. You know you saw that, you know you saw on Instagram. But to get you, I used to care. But to get you, I used to care. I thought you saw that all over Instagram. Know I had to feel good. I got anyone man, like you got one. But it's weird. It's wild because like I was talking about as as my dad and my mom, how they raised us her her parents are saying, like, there's always perspective, right, And I grew up in the NBA, but I was just a kid man, and I had a really cool child experience. Like fifteen, I meets We don't we're out dating high school, but um, you know, we talked a little bit. And fast forward with four years. I'm out in l A at the s p's because uh we just went to our terment, run and me and this is me and my dad flying from Charlotte. I've never been to l A before. I here for the s I was like, I remember, I remembers. I remember she moved out here because she was out here pursuing acting. So she had graduate from high school and came right out here to pursue acting. But we weren't talking at all. So I hit her up and I was like, Hey, I'm out in l A like chilling whatever, Like you gotta show me arounds. Ain't never been out here before. So we reconnected then, and like a couple of months later, she had moved back to Charlotte and I'm still at Davidson, which was like thirty thirty minutes away, so we got to kind of keep it going um. And from there, like we were just two kids just enjoying life together and not really normal was about to happen. Um. And when I get to the league, like again, I'm just living my life. As as the spotlight starts to grow and all that you're dealt with judgments and expectations and everybody just wants to know every step you take and all that stuff. And it's kind of uncomfortable at times because as human as you react to stuff like stuff that said about you and your family and all that type of stuff, and and the personally is like you want to take it a stride and like you don't want to react to everything because you'll lose your mind. Um, But you want to protect the integrity of relationship we started, you know, way back when. So it'sn't ever changing kind of thing for us. Because even as you bring kids in this world, like how are you going to raise them with this spotlight as well? And keep their minds right direction and give them perspective and give them a chance to have a quote unquote normal childhood and stuff. So a lot of responsibilities, but God, don't make no mistakes man. For me and and her, like I think we we appreciate the ability to inspire and impact people because of our relationship. Like that's if we can do it. Like we're not afect, got ups and downs and there's gonna be you know, challenges and like every other relationship in this in this in this world. But um, if we can kind of persevere through all that stuff, man, we can be an inspiration expectation. Feel like what it means to to find somebody you want to share life with. And I don't wanta get too sappy, but like that's real, real, it's real, right, and it's rare too, especially in our profession, you know, so I think it's dope. The example you guys said, it's amazing, So I'm trying to figure it out. You look me forever to find him, but you did mean only eight kids, seven kids later, he's still looking. Dude though, you're a very proud father, you know, your daughters or your world when you finally got that little boy. Wow, it's what that's like, man. He is something lighter skin saying come out shooting from he You're gonna come out shot, Kenny. You got you got it locked and loaded in the diaper right now. He's seventeen months. Man, he's he's unbelievable. Uh named after my my granddad was Cannon Wardelle Jack. That was my granddad's name. And so uh he's the first real boy and neither side. Uh first boy grand baby. So he's he's spoiled, rotten. Uh, but he's unbelievable. It's kind of cool to see our old two older girls liked not just be about them anymore. And and and uh they what low key? I feel like I just met him. My wife, My wife is holding him hostage the whole first year. Now the girls got a hold of him, like Cannon, I'm over here. Man, that's kind of looking like when when you get five and get the gym on that ball told him, you know, he's unbelievable. So when we blessed seven four and one, like I said, that's amazing ages right now coming into that little personality, Dope, I'm enjoying it. It's like crazy thing, just like you know, like you said, taking a kiss of the game, Like the first time I gotta take my son and say him on the bench and my dad was there next to him, and like just thinking about like that used to be me, man, Yeah, that part of it still was crazy. We'll talk to on your girls too, because off camera you told us that they designed these shoes right here, put them up on the table. Jack putting the Jordan's up on the table. Tell us, tell us about the man inspiration through the girls. Yeah, so I uh I gave I gave Riley she's seven, that I gave her and her sister and Ryan who's four, the cat drawings to the you know these shoes. It's probably what a year ago, so these were just in the makings. And told her you just go, Daddy's gonna make a new shoe, but I want you to design it. And so you should see the focus on the first bro. She when you put a task and fund, she took the took the drawing and got the crayons out and just went to work. And uh I told her to make like a bunch of different options and then bring me what her favorite one was. So I only stick to the first one. Like just let lew when we went through this whole process. Man, she she did it and you a put it together. I got the Riley specials, the draft. He asked Cheetah girls like she just started watching it. It's crazy. Now we got to bring back all old shows, like the shows we used to grow up on. I'm not saying I grew up cheata girls, you know what I'm saying. Another bring like showing up. We watched Home Alone, the first one we just want the other night with the fan They're like, what is this? But they loved it. The Yeah, all the classics, right, yeah, that's we get to relive out you a little bit and tell me what is I mean? Think about it while we're talking about shoes, mid major out of Davidson and then you come out change the face of the game and you got your own shoes, Like tell me what kind of dream? And this run has been like for you, like you know, you know you're the light skin of sass, like you change the NBA. Did you believe that can ye done to the game? I can't because I grew up watching them. And um, I remember the first pair of signature shoes I had. I had some shocks, like besides of Georgan's, I had some shocks and that was the ones I used to rock in the games all the time in high school. And like thinking about uh being a position where seventh going on a shoe and represent the brand like like you A and and the team and changing the game like all that type of stuff. It's just crazy because I don't think you ever have time to stop. I don't know if I should, Like, you don't have time to stop and just think about it all perspective because you're still on that chase in the moment. Uh. It's it's crazy, man. The coolest part like when you're walking down the street somewhere and you see, uh, you know, somebody rocking your kicks like you. I just want to know, like why, like why are you connect with it or why do you want to rock them? Like? I know they hopefully make you shoot better, but it's like that part of people connect to see your story. You want to rock your gear? That's crazy. I heard. I was listening to his podcasts the other day. You can get let with two pair of these for that. I heard, come on, were talking about the shoes. I said, you might get pay about two three? How you get that? Lets you know that, you bro, that's a good one. But that's a funny story. I remember what you know. I've been talking about the Twins so much because they really funk with you. But I remember when I was playing for the Clippers. Then it was career day and one twin came out with my jersey and one twin came out with step jersey. Is like, Dad, I'm sorry, and people like, oh, he doesn't. Like I was like, I can't be made like Steph. I mean, come on, man, it's Steff, you know what I mean. So I think it's dope to be able to Like I said, what what you mean to this next generation is really mad? Like I said, we talked about the game you change, but like I coached the next generation and you're the guy. You know what I mean. Like I said, it's handling and learning how to shoot, you know, man, So it's really hatsoft really what you've been able to accomplish up to this point. Although the stories still you know, plenty of plenty more to write. You've been able to do a lot in this space. Man, we appreciate you as hey. I said, Ai his top five players of all time. He said, you like that. You know it's funny. I have that saved on my phone because that that's that's so that's like I talked to all the time. We tell because like ten times through the conversation. But like for him to say that, it's crazy right, like I'm never gonna get never I ain't ever have a big head where you like that, dude, I I picked up a lot of the game and inspiration from that. He's now looking at my game like, yo, he's my one of my favorite PG. Like that's for him to say that. At the same way, like he said, there's so much love for me as well, and in the spirit of the times where we know, like some o gs they don't want to relinquish the and that part of it, like when you see the guys actually like the same way we respect the os like we wanted both ways. So when you do hear that, that means that means something, man, for sure, up man um, I heard a rumor that your mom finds you a hundred dollars for every three turners. That true, it was anything. Yeah, three turners. I had to give a hundred dollars and so she got a lot of handbags. Let's put it crazy and she'll be up there like you be yelling at me, but she'd be mad happy. At the same time, he's coming into I need hundred I need stephree more turnovers tonight and I'm gonna get this bad. Yeah, there's a lot of sports be over there with my assist turnover ratio and she's like, but I'm enjoying it too. Explain your your relationship with Nipsey. Obviously, you know he was someone I looked up to, admire, got to be friend and come close to, you know, to us, he's a legend. He's on the wall. Tell us what your relationship Like. I talked to Jay Rock the day, so he said, what up to I mean, I I got to know him the year before he passed, and uh, he came on my five Minutes from Home show to time ez day that came up to the bay. You know, we hopped in the back of the sprinter and like part of that film and it's usually only takes like an hour to get you know, the footage. You have a good conversation all that. Like I feel like I was talking to him for way longer than that, just because of how real he was and his perspective on life, and like the way he talked about his daughter and raising her and his relationship with Lauren, like all that type of stuff was just real. And obviously his music, you know, it stands for herself. But um, you have God in the spotlight that you know, it has a story and has a journey and is able to turn that into inspiration you know, beyond any probably anything he imagined. But the way that he carries himself speaks about more than anything that he does and the work that he does in the community and all that type of stuff that you know, his legacy is gonna live on forever. Um. But it's just like I was. It shook me because I just I literally just met him and you know, you you appreciate people like that that have an impact on you. Um. But I'm sure somewhere you felt like you knew him forever because that's how open, real and raw he is. It's like, it's exactly why I watched that episode. I've watched it probably five or six times since since, uh, since you did, because there's so many gyms in there from him in terms of yeah all the time. Um, anyway, he speaks just us approachable like you. He takes you on a journey to like you can tell like the's authentic and and that that part of it is uh and special, so you know, to his family and all that, Um, you know, I know everybody has the back and and uh, the legacy he leaves, we we all have to carry it right, you know, you know all you know a special unique way. So with them rest in peace. Now we saw that you attended Kanye Sunday Service. What was that like? Please tell me what that was like? Was? I absolutely loved it? Bro? Like the Sunday Service is for I don't I don't put this one. I don't care somebody's passed. You know what they stand for, Like you cannot agree with somebody, um and in any and everything that they say. But when they come in and I think it's when they come in and represent Jesus and they're talking and everything that they do and the music and the vibe and the spirit that that that you feel in that place, like it was it did something to me, like in terms of you know that what two and a half hour you know experience and so, um, I'm rooting for him, man, like I'm rooting for him in terms of what he's doing, the journey that he's on. Um, you know, if if if he can change or you can believe that that that's positive to anybody can that's and I'm not going to discredit you know, my God and that in that respect, And so I was I was curious about because I heard so many people go on and and just you know, the the choir or the collective you know their name, and with Kanye and just from his album and all that type of stuff, like I wanted to experience and I had a great time. Man, it was it was legit him. That's one thing Jack says, you know, we we don't have to always agree with what Ione saying. Well, we'll keep that line of respect, you know. I mean, I think just in culture today at the disrespect is you have to sit down and have a conversation too. Like that just the normal part of his Yeah, being able to open that door and have some actual progress, because if not, we're just gonna sit on the other side of line and just yell at each other the whole time, or like Cash Judgment to talk you know, some trash about you and nothing's gonna happen. So for him to put himself out there too, that's the thing for me, Like, that's huge. So I'm rooting for what are you listening to or right now? With the top five artists? M hmm. I still write with Loup at fiasco. Hush, Uh, what's crazy? He's from Charlotte to the Baby is he? And I knew? I know high school. He went to Advanced high school and all that right, a couple of miles from where I grew up. I ain't ever met him wherever he's at, I ain't never met you. Moment, gotta go do something, man, seven o four is we were like doing things right. I can't believe you have the man. I know, it's crazy. That's on both of us. I mean from here now. Once you meet Steph, just come fun with our podcast The Baby all the Year. Yeah, but uh, and then I got I got Christian artists and do listen, I would see the Baby and all that. Let's just do a name tarn Wells, Christian artists, Christian artists, tarn Wills. You might not. You gotta take a chance. It's just a different, different, different. I listened to a lot of the Gospels, so I would I'll check it out. It's a little, a little in the New Age. He got some flavor. And then you got a friendship with Drake. What's that like? It's it's all over the place because we was like because brother, honestly Uh, it's crazy because obviously it started from the first name dropping hit with the chef Curry with the pot right, and uh, I think I think was like but from there we have some connections on and both of our families. Asha his cousin as part of O your crew and and uh and so we spent a lot of time together. And does he has your number tattoo on it? Yeah? Yeah with the halo. I think, yeah, that's like the one are you talk to him about? That is like him respecting greatness all across the board, whether it's some people that he just he always tattoos me, it's me and something so like it's nothing corny about it's literally like when you appreciate some Um, that's that's that's that's love. So last year was fun because the whole Toronto connection and all of him talking trash from the court. Um, he was talking to me, Draymond. Everybody's good for basketball. Yeah, man, I ain't a lot. There's a lot of talk about him with his antics and stuff in the side he didn't do the owner of the team, and he was passionate about what's going on here and like that's getting everybody going and it's raising the popularity game as long as he ain't interfering with the actual game, right what you want? Yeah, he ain't gonna do that, so uh I called him after the finals. I was hot, I was reason old all or no. I was just mad because we lost. But I was trying to like congratulate because I'm not hurt. Hurt, goddamn it, congratulates. I'm over laugh crying. Like it was fun. It was fun. He shows love all the time, So tell me what it's like when he started hearing like being dropped in songs, like with different artists dropping your name the song. What was that like? It was fun, man, because anywhere you go, like the people you hear that, they wouldn't call your name no more. But um so, I can't keep a tab on how many times has happened since then. But that was like the first one that actually you know, uh, you know, change the change, change that. That's a little bit. Uh my favorite one that was hilarious. Cardi b got the one with me and she's like, I don't want to get married, like the Curry Stephanisha barely Tommy Keh Like, yeah, that's that's my favorite joint. That's one of my biggest songs to ye before we get out of here. We got a couple of quick hitters. Um all time, you're starting five all time. Clude yourself if you want. Oh, you asked me right now, that asked me what I'm done playing? But right now, Oh, that's crazy. I think I've answers before. I'm probably gonna have a different, different start in life. So we go, Magic Michael Larry uh wait shock, let me make sure I got my positions, Magic PG Michael shooting guard Larry small forward ain't powerful? Tim Duncan, of course, how can you not? Yeah the name? Give me three of the most underrated players you played against? Oh, I like that question? Most underrated question Mike Conley, Drew Holiday, jew Holiday, Seth Curry, Seth Curry, I like that? Like what's that like? You know? I mean because you you know, I mean you took the small road school road and became a superstar. He took the you know, major school and then it's taking him a while, but he started to find his footing. But what's crazy about Seth is like a step before. Dude, he was at Liberty University. I didn't know that most Bury Virginia and he played his freshman year there. I think they're like the Big South Conference. He was leading the hes A nation as a freshman scoring and the team started playing like crazy Jankee defense againting against him because it's his teammate. The town on the on the squad was was okay, but everybody was just trying to take him out of it. And it's like, I can't get better here if they're gonna play box and one or triangling to on me in the old games. So he proved himself at Liberty. Coach k came calling, so he transferred. The Duke played there for the three years um and he had an injury a senior year, he had some uh shin fractures, so he missed the whole draft process pre draft process. He didn't get drafted and had to go to the D League at the time of the G League route and for him like to have like the crazy ups and downs like small D one school duke G League back to getting some ten day contracts and then finally established himself as an NBA player now unfast four or five years and man just gotta get some bread. So and he earned every bit of it. So Um, that part of it is so much fun to watch because he's my guy and I'm as big as fan and everything that he does, and you know, you always you want him just get an opportunity because I know what type of player he is and he's supposed to be an NBA. And and to think last year and Commons finals were playing against each other and my parents up there and just nervous and crying and emotional and all that it was. It was unbelievable. Yeah. No, I saw him laugh when he plucked you that time. Oh my god. I had like talk about turnovers and my mom getting handbags. He was he was responsible about five don't know my brother never to this day, he one person I cannot beat the one on one for some reason, current player, the reminds you of yourself, anybody, I mean a little bit of Trey. He's he's more baby still. Yeah, he's got he's got he's got that element. Uh that's about it. I think that's all I can think that I could think. Last question taking you and your team out of the picture. Who who who do you think? Who do you think will be in the finals this year? No? No, leave your team, keep it real. Leave your team in the picture. Ain't winning, ship, Really, I ain't winning this year. Ain't got the super coaches ship. Man, that's our little brother. You know what time it is. Leave y'all team in there. Take his team out of you know what time it is. It's just what it is. Man. You'll need a break. Man, you've been playing basketball for the last fifty years, all went to the finals. You'll need a break. But really realistic, leave your team in there. Yeah, can you rephrase this question? Please? Who's winning it this year? With his team in there? Don't take him out. I'm gonna say, if I was betting right now, I bet you don't come get me right right, But if I if I had had a pick right now, maybe the Lakers in Milwaukee just because they play and I was watching every game of that right right, Yeah they are they got it right now. I'm knocking on stocks. We appreciate it, man, Thank you. I can't wait to get that headline Steph Curry. Thanks the Lakers and the Milwaukee Bucks gonna be that's a wrap. Man. Episode thirteen with my brother, Yes, sir, we did it again. Said you were funny this episode. Man, he was on your ship I appreciate it. I want to thank Matt Barnes for the two seventeen NBA championship. Yeah. Man, they weren't want to without Matt. One though. I was up there cheering my Assholly, my asshole. Yeah. I even killing me all year, even killing you was on your ship. Yeah, and he got me back. It's the first Nime comebacks and the parts I said you'd be saying, you said, I said myself thirteen episode and finally got a funny joking ship. He got me. Anyways, that's a wrap episode thirteen. All the smoke, Steph Curry. We appreciate you, man, I appreciate you. Bro. You can find a Showtime Basketball YouTube channel on all platforms. Screaming podcast all m m hm m h, m hm m hm