Shaheen Holloway | Ep. 133 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

Published Apr 28, 2022, 8:22 PM

March madness legend and newly minted Seton Hall coach, Shaheen Holloway joins the boys on a legendary episode of ALL THE SMOKE. Holloway discusses Saint Peter's historic NCAA tournament run, taking the Seton Hall job and his playing career, including being a star at Seton Hall & playing with Kobe. 

Welcome back to another edition. All the smoke Jack was good, Man, ready to roll was good. My brother, I hit children, just got some good games in this morning. What about I heard I heard you was out there doing your thing at the l A Fitness Yeah. Man, you know I hit party folks, So I gotta just drop off party falling up. Yeah, everybody party pulling up in trouble. Hey, when you stay in your lane, there ain't no traffic. Bro. You died. Hey, man, this interview right here is a long time coming. Um, I'm excited we got this man here today. Uh. Someone who you know I looked up to when I was younger playing who Uh, someone that Jack knows really well. Welcome to the show. Shaheen, Holloway coach. How you doing. I'm doing good, feathers Man, thanks for having me married. A big fan of the show Man, big fan. Appreciate that. Thank you for your time. Man. Uh. A lot of new big stuff is going on for you to We appreciate you sharing some time with us. Um, let's get to it, you guys, as you as the head coach former head coach of St. Pete Man a historical n C double a run. Uh this past March. Before we talk about that run, tell us how that job came about. Oh, you the A D that we used to be the A D at um St Peter's. He worked with me. I've seen the Hall for eight years and we got the job over there. He called me up. You know, I trust him, you know I believe in this vision. Gave my first opportunity and then the rest kind of history. What was that experience like? Obviously you know, coming from Seton Hall, going to a smaller college, but then being able to build them up, Uh, not only into a Cinderella story, but just a well disciplined team that played hard, had a lot of heart. Uh. What was that. Talk to us about that process and how that happened. You know it was at first it was tough, right, any time you go from a high major to a low major. Right, Um, things that you're not used to, you know, far as budget and how you travel and you know, having a strength coach and things like that. So I had to work through all that stuff. But at the end of the day, to be honest with you, Matt, I which we just gotta do that with that one. The ball right, just dude that was hungry, had chip on his shoulder that was underrecruited. People didn't believe in them. I brought them in. You know, I like tough guys. I played a certain way, so I want gods to fit my personality, right, So when I was going through the process of recruiting guys, I wanted guys like that god that you know, just homebread and it's kind of something to prove that. I want to know, eat your food, you feel me. And that's kind of the guys I brought in. And you know, it was a build up for three years, and to be honest, you I thought year too we had a good chance of doing something special with covidhait Um and then ye have red. You know, we kind of went up and down. Then no, fourth year we kind of paid together and kind of made this run beautiful. Obviously, situations with situations like this are always bitter sweet when you're working with the lower major program because when you do find when you do get that success, you know you're gonna go, you know, up to the major league, so to speak. Uh being you built such an amazing energy and and identity for it, How hard was it and what did you tell your guys when you decided to take the seat and job Seaton seting the hall head spot. Well, I'll be honest with you, Matt, it was it was easy, right, Um, not so easy at this point. The guys made it easy for me. Right. I went to locker room and we was in there for three hours, bro, just chopping it up, kicking it, and Theil God was like, coach, you gotta go. You know, that's home. You work your butt off for this opportunity, Like that's something that we would do if we had the opportunity. So when they told me that, you know, it was it made it easy for me. Um. And then the next two hours when we did we were just in there just reminiscent of the journey and they're making front of me the way I coach and we are talking, you know, all the other stuff that they you know, the players love to do. But now it was easy, man, They made it easy for me, for sure. That's beautiful. Looking back on the journey, on the experience, what particularly stood out to you about this tournament run? You know what? Just right for these guys, you know, and obviously I'm sitting here told to you guys, I'm blessed to be here, but it wasn't for those guys, I wouldn't be be here today talking to you guys, right, So for me, for them, it was like everything right. You know, you admit major, you know you work your your butt off. You look at this type of stuff on TV growing up, and for them, guys are being that spotlight and performed the way they performed. Like I just was sitting back taking it in like for real, for real, Like I'm sitting there like these guys get a chance to build Dave brand right now, right, you know, we got the white kid on my team to dug at it like he's making a killer right now right with the name, image and likeness because his beard and where he played in America. Loved them. And these guys are like now starting to get to everything that the hot majors get, right, all the attention and stuff like that. So I just love the attention for them and beyond you just playing gets the best teams and knocking them off. What was it like to finally sign your name on that dotted line, you know, getting a chance to play there, going back, going down and then coming back. Now, what was it like when you sign your name as the head coach at right, right, So I'm gonna be you know, this is a real show, so you gotta be be real, right, it's gonna fake stuff here, right, So you know, I had to make sure they understand that it wasn't gonna hit me with the hometol herold nonsense, right, because you know when you're going back to you Alma mata, it's like, oh, you're coming back here. So now they did try to short change you. I'm like, now, you're not gonna hit me with the hometown hero We're gonna do this. We wanna do this, right. You gotta make sense for both of us. Man, for me to tell you truth. When I looked at it, I had to make sure it was good because this is home, and when home, you don't want to mess it up, right. You wouldn't want to go in there and make sure it's the right situation with the right people and not trust the people that was here at the time. Right now, um, and I can't mess it up. It's too important for me. So I had to make sure everything was right. So when I signed, like it was just like a sign of relief, right, because it's just too much going on like that run we made and coming back and everybody's happy. But at the same time I had to make sure it was right on both friends, for me, for the school, and financially to keep it real. Yeah it works. I think I speak for all of us who were excited to see what kind of culture you build over there in which you can do uh for that program. Uh. Moving on the McDonald's All American game was it? Was it ninety six? Yea Loading Class. There's no there's no argument here, but been wanting to get to is. I wanted to talk to the real if of the game. I worked with the niggative thinks C is the m v P, but I wanted to work. I wanted to talk to the real MVP. My switch side at happen so much. Hey, so talk to us about that game again, Loaded Class, Loaded Class. It's well documented. Who played, um talk about that experience, Uh, some of the guys in it, and then you and Jack. I want you Injack, to get to the m v P conversations. To be honest, you right, like da e sperience was everything right because it was the first time that all of us really came together, like we heard everybody heard about each other from like like you know, everybody from different stages, different places, and you never got a chance to really play. The game was to be honest with you, the game was trash. To practice was like Steve could tell you, like dudes was going at it like everybody has something. Everybody has something to prove right, everybody right, So you know, Corey Benjamin had something pool against, Kobe had something fool against Steve, and Alexander had something like everybody. I had something pool against Mike Bibby. It was just like everybody was like going at each other's neck. The practices was like everything, um, the game was just fun to be on you. So those two days of practicing and going to like the Ronto McDonald house and visiting places in Pittsburgh kind of put things in perspective, right, Like we you know, as athletes, we don't understand what other people are going through. So then when you go and you visit those houses and see what the kids doing stuff like that, to me, that was the best part of it. And then getting chance to do everybody right, Like you see people but you don't really know him, and then you get a chance to know people and like, oh, he's like me like, he's a real dude. Oh and then you get chance to chop it up with people like to me, that was the best experience man. A lot of people don't remember this though. And we was in practice. We was going through walkthrough and Rip Hamilton was going COVID. COVID just swung through and went dunked it hard and coaches like, oh, ye'all want to y'all want to play for real. COVID's like, no, let's really, let's get after it, and we would. And like you said, our practice, what was I was gaging because you had Jamain On, Neil Tim Thomas going at it, you know what I mean. You had you had Corey Benchman and Kobe going at it, Shaheen and Mike Bibbie, and we also had a colder like boys was really going at it, Bro, Like I understanding it was for me. For me too, Bro, I feel the same way you felt. Like this was our first time altogether. We all heard each other dog. But to all be on the same team, to all pay together like that was that that was definitely the height, not even the game, but like you said, just to be around everybody was the height of mcdonnal's game for probably me too. It was so crazy, right because you look at the guy rights stack that we don't even talk about, but the time, like Ronnie Fields was that dude like he was to do in all class for everybody before he got in the carcent Ronnie was that dude. So for Ronn and be out there and to be with us in that experience man like and and and the Ease team would just stack like a team was ridiculous. We would have had Ronnie Fields, bro mm y'all didn't y'all didn't even need it, you know what I mean? Like think about that, like like like we had to start us and then like it really wasn't no come up the bench. You got add Quota, JAMAINEO, Nail sail At, You had all those guys come up like we had a crew. Like it was just who was your guys are starting five? It was it was me, Stag, Kobe, Tim and it wasn't it was was it all no Jamae, it was it was Jamane right now, Jamaine didn't start. Now Jamae came up the bench. Remember Jamaica up the bench with ad Quota. I think it was. It was y sail at them by sail. That's that's that's you threw the bounce pass through the legs two yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know how you got the Starlina, but like that's a that was out there. Who was? Who was? Do you guys remember who the other team starting letter was? Mike Baby, Corey Benjamin Leicester? Yeah, Leicester? Remember my guy from orom went from? It was an animal? What went from was a bucket? Yes, sir, I was gonna say, that's the one thing that kids today don't understand because I coached my thirteen year old and you see what the internet, You see everything, and you know who people are before you you can actually meet him. Back then, if you wasn't reading the little the Little the Little the little magazines, you didn't know who know what was until you ran up on them in the game, you know. I mean, obviously when you get to the McDonald's point, it's different. But I'm talking about in the process of AU Like you said, you really didn't go coast to coast and really play those teams. You didn't have no kind of conversations with them, dude, Like it wasn't like y'all didn't know each other to you actually played each other, and it's just so much different these days. Yeah'll don't get your y'all, don't get your props, you code and them like y'all. Was really some of the first ones that the big name brands was really getting behind at a young age. You know, I'll tell you one thing, bro, real talk Tim. Don't get his propless like Tim should you know Tim Thomas? Like Tim Lemon twelfth grade like now Kobe took off shee a year. But Tim the stuff he was doing great. He was a christ Man bro like like he taking the coach to coach Matt, throwing off the glass, catching it like at six eleven, doing all the things like a guard. Dude, bro if he had a crazy class. Though he had a crazy class. It was good to be honest with you, man, Like anybody could have got that the m v P. I think because of like the way the things were set up right, and then I was a guard that was just kind of feeding everybody, like Stack. It was set up for Kobe to get it, trust me, and I'll be hones with you. Everybody thought he was going it was like it was Kobe king right. It was like the way it was the show. But I just think that the way it was set up, and you know, the thing I loved about is with our team, no one cared who did what, Like no one cared that like Stack was doing and then Ed Cooda did it. Then Jermaine the RiPP like no one cares. Like we were just out there balling, you know, I mean, and God was having fun. And at the end the day, like I said, most of my assists probably came from Stack right like he remember he every time he scored, he did this like all this, like you know, that was his thing. I think that was the you know what I'm saying, like it's the creat thing is I watched like like I got that film and I watched it like two weeks ago. Man, it's crazy, It's crazy crazy. I gotta see some of that, I think. I think, I think what my highlights of Shin of the game was. I don't know if you remember, do you remember how many times you you hit Mike with the in and out? Oh my goodness, I'm talking about every place I'll be on with you brought and no one here could say that the person that they was playing against it wasn't personal. It was personal, Broke. Mike was nice, like you was going up against Corey Pigeman, right, it was prob because Corey was to do on the West coast. It was personal, right, Mike wasn't going to east West coast. It was probably right. So now I'm like, know the problem was that was, to be honest, we had two many dudes trying to go. Everybody wants to go, like coming down court? Who turn is it? You know what I'm saying. So that was like, he's like, that was our thing, man? But it was fun, man, and we won the games. So that's the big part. So Mike not Mike not playing defense didn't start in the league. It's always been that way. But you know what, mikels a bucket. He see that. Mike ain't seen nothing like that though my game. He was coming from the west. 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You've got thirty five thou people calling for jobs you got and remember trying to hold you up, to stick you up. You know, you know how I go. You you guys walking through it. You know what I'm saying. You got But it's it's all up though, right, because that's who we are and where we come from, right, you know, that's family and then that's what we expect. Um. So there's nothing new but for its a job, you know, just trying to get this roster together, to trying to build, trying to build. God's the kind of guys I want in here, um and and make sure everybody understand that, you know, like like I'm coming in, I'm trying to win, bro, Like I'm trying to win this big East. You know, I don't care who's coaching against who. Man, I'm just trying to come in and just you know, build what I gotta build. It used to be such alleged legendary conference born in South Jamaica, Queens the real New York. What was the eighties liking Queens? Man? You know all there is, man, dudes, you know, you know you have the Feens on the corner. You know, may lined up. You know what I'm saying, You got all you know, you got to take up dudes out there doing what what they do? You know, us two kids were in the park just I don't know anything, right, just out there playing, have no idea what's ahead of us? Um And then you know, black homes into trouble, right, it's it's you know, how are you gonna eat? How are you how you gonna survive? Then then you got the dope boy taking care of the kids in the in the in the hood, because that's what it was. Right when did basketball coming the picture for you? Man? Like you know, right ten of eleven, right, and not just was to get out of trouble, like just going to park or go on trips just and so you understand, like and tell your tooth real talking like so you can eat said you go to eat trips, right, and you're going with AU programs just like and back then there wasn't a lot of Air You programs like Matt and stack y'all. Remember, like it was just like maybe two or three AU programs that was staff with thirteen dudes. Right now, every parent got a Air You program because their kids not good enough. Already got a program like to put their kids on, but now it was out there. He was like, you had to be good and you had to fight, right, So like y'all remember going in the park and yeah, you might not play for five six games like you got next. So when you go out there, you have to be super tough and you had to play. And for me, I always played up. So that gave me the advantage because when I came back to my age group, it was easy for me. Remember how deep the church was. Man, I'll talk about it all the time with these guys to church. I mean that that that's that's probably was the most legendary AU program out right. They had Dad, they had a whip man, but New York has a decorated culture. Point guards. Yeah, which name which one of the point guards that she was looking up to when you was coming up? Well, you know it was Kennston and Daved Woods cop Us and that like those two guys changed the game for me, all right. And then there was a legendary dude that people never even talked about, like he's a rucker, you know, legend And you know it was Booker. I'm not sure you guys heard about Booger Street door Man man. You know, I know little Booger Man. I played with him in the Rugga. That's right, you know what I'm saying. That's right? Yeah, right. So Book was like that, dude, like, you know, before Skip and before everybody bug was to do that at the Andrews huh last name Smith? Yeah, yeah yeah Smith, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Books. So Books was to du Um and then after that, you know, it's kind of it kind of go from there, right. He's like, you know, we got Steph and Sham and Skip, you know, kareem Read and all of us kind of in the same error. Mm hmmm yeah, that's that, ain't number Hope was grandmother? You decided to move with your grandmother to escape the BS and then white streets and go to Jersey. Yeah, what made you make that decision? Well, you know, you really just getting in trouble in New York. Um, not going to school as much making bad decisions. No, no, my aunt, no, my gordmother's time she called me like, yo, you gotta get up out of there. Um. And it was to school in Jersey. I never heard the same past before. Never, Um, it's a Cafis school New York kids. Who knows about Cafish coach? Right, right, So I went out there for a summer. You know, I was like, I know, let me try it out. You know, the first year two I was coming home every weekend. After I got used to it, it kind of made sense, right, Um, new opportunity, new place, and to tell you truth from me, I've never really been nowhere. So going from New York to New Jersey was like going from New York to l A. Like that's how far it seemed to me. Right, Um, just came back, you know, home every weekend. And you know what my high school coach since to coach christiph fans like, yo, bro, you gotta make a decisions like what's important to you going back home being around those dudes are being here trying to make something of yourself. And you had you had, you had those talks, and then basketball start getting some you know, notoriety, people don't knowing you are, and it came easy. And as you know, I'm in Jersey during the same year did in New York, but in Jersey people appreciate it more, you know what I'm saying. So and then you kind of like like that and about that, and then from there they kind of shot up took off. Mm hmm. Nothing like feeling appreciated. Yeah, sir, you came to your own when you hit St. Patrick same place as Kyrie, my brother Al Harrington, Jonathan Comua. What was your high school experience like St? Pass? Man? I know, because you know I got a chance to see it first hand, coming up the same time as you. But tell them what the experience like playing at St. Pass Well, first of all, before we started shouting to my brother Al Harington, too great people, man, you know I got some stories. Well, man, I wasn't always that good man. When we first started the program off, like, it wasn't known at all all right, And that's dry coach Kevin Boyle, who is now the coach at Mault Verdi, Right, you know, my versis biggest high school out right now. You know, he just had a vision. His vision was like, yo, let me try to get the best players here and built it. And it started with me and they kind of moved on, right, and now it's like a household name, but it was it was in the beginning. It was tough because no one knew who he was, but he pen us on that stage like going to tournaments and when you're in high school, like if you guys to show, yeah, you'll played in the City of Palms, right, playing the City of Palms. They've been playing in the Beach Ball Classic and all those things. So those are the torments he put us in. And then now you're going out there and now you're playing against everybody. Like I remember playing the Beach Ball Classic, right, I was a sophomore and I played with Chauncey Buillards. I'm like, yo, this dude right here, it's getting truth, Like who did you dude from dever this New York game? Like like Chauncey, Like you guys remember Chauncey and high school brons. He had the same bill he has in the NBA, the same side, the same bill. Imagine that in high school you don't say, like the chance was like and like and you see that, did you come back and you kind of work in your your craft and you get better and then you kind of build a year to year to hear. Then by time was a senior, it was like all right, well it's time to go, bro, It's go time, and it's you know from there. Well, I can say your junior year. All you're saying year you started receiving a lot of national notoriety. I think it's starting at ABC D camp stack right, So you go to a b C D. Right, and they did a great job. Huh who was there at that time? You like anybody, and it's from all over, like the best players from all over. Like so back then it wasn't no Nike camp. It was no just a B C D and you had to get invited. It was like the best seventy eight guys and whoever whoever was like like, like you playing a good dude that I'll never forget this man, Like I never told the story my going into my senior year, I was number one point guard and dad me playing this kid, little short, chubby kid. Right, it was color out of me. I didn't know who he was, like he was from Minnesota. I had no idea who he was. Came in and put that work in that pain and he was short, short, no chubby dude. That was just to score, bro like just bucket like every how do you want it? However you want it? He gave it to you. Right, muscles, no muscle at all, just lettle chupping little kid game. Bro. He had he's been that painting right and those and those are the things that you remember the most. I couldn't wait to play and get on the circus. Shake Cotton was one of them two dudes to man child and we got to get him on the show. I didn't mean to cut you off. He trains he trains kids at where we practice out down here, and I told him, Bro, you gotta come on the show. Because Shay was that Sha because she was West Coast. So I remember seeing. I was a freshman in ninety four nine five, and this is the first time I've ever seen a high school basketball game on TV. When he played and I want to say, he played Fremont in the state championship. This dude. I was like, this dude is only one year older than me. Oh my god. It was unbelievable. And like it. I raised my hands when we get to talk about him, Bro, because he used used to doing games games. Bro. Oh my god, Bro, Sha, we need you on the show. Shake Cotton and that's a bond weaver was the dudes. Bro. Shake and that's a bond weaver. Was the dudes when we was an ever nine TIH grade. Those dudes was like legendary, like shaving from the West Coast. But everybody knew about him everywhere everybody. He was on the coming Sports Illustrate as a freshman. Think about that kill, think about that right? To me, it was it was the Lebron height before Lebron like that type of hep. That's who he was. To us, I'm gonna give you want even more, Matt, check this out. Phelippe was before true Philippe. I had never seen nobody like him get hyped like like like him like I did't never seen that even to this day, bro. And on social media there he had his whole country behind him too. They dropped out for that dude. But can you can you imagine being a Nike camp and seeing a slam dunk contest with Shade Cotton, Ronnie Ells, Baron Davis, and court A Bentrooms all flyers, all Flyersness. Talk to us about your recruiting process. Obviously number one point guard could have win anywhere, had offers from duke kids, as you chose to stay close to home and go to see the hall. What was your recruiting process, Like you know, it was crazy. Right. St. Pastors a small school. They only have like two hundred kids, right, two hundred thirty kids. So when you kind of get used to that. And then like I went on all types of visits, like I went on on the visit to Kyle Brooklyn right and sif I'll do righting with you at the time, childish right. And I went out there on my visit and I ain't never seen nothing like that before in my life. Man, seven thousand people, man everywhere. You know, I'm walking on the streets, don't LIS's how just treat this girls walking around with topless I'm like, what the oh? This is how it is. That's how they get down at yet right, um and and Coach Boseman had a role and they had made folks and Jolanni Gardener they had, but they had all those dudes, right, And I go on my visit there and I'm like, yo, this is love. Then I'll go on my visits a Duke right and me, Nate James, Chris Carlwell and uh, oh boy, there was in our class that passed away Jason Collia you know, no, no, no, no, you know gop us and dead to him. So I'm on my visits with those guys there. Right, then you go to Kansas and you know Kentucky. I'm like, so when I came to see the Hall, it was just like it was just different, right, it was small always to me, I'm I love being a trend setter, Like I always going to place it where people tell me that, you know, don't go there. You shouldn't do this because they can't do this right. Don't go to the same packs nobody never heard of him. Go to Bishop Lacking because they've heard of him, you know, the same paths. I wanted to start my own thing. Don't go to see Hall because see halls down like you need to go to the Duke of Kansas. No, I'm gonna see holl did by time I left seeing Hall. You never get anere of recording class, and I did as a player and as a coach. So when I was making my decision, you know, me and Tim Thomas was supposed to go together here all right, So that was a whole deal, Like he was going to see Hall together and then at the last minute he chose Villanova and I was like, you know what, I'm going over here? Man, the coach gave me the ball. You know, when you're young, you feel like, yo, I don't need no body people, and come with me, right I start was gonna get the whole world come with me, and then me just I just came in just. Plus I had a daughter at the time, right, I had when out to Tim Craig. Um, I didn't have a fallow grown up. So I wanted to make sure I was there for my daughter. I wanted to be cold to her and that and that played. That played a big factor, and me staying close at home first and foremost. I love to hear that. Uh, is there any truth that coach Kay told you that you're the only player to turn down Duke after visiting the campus twice twice twice? Bro? Yeah, So I went on an official visit and then I went unofficially when they played U C l A. And you said, yea, I just want a national championship. So the next year they came in and I went there, and the fan business crazy, man. I ain't never seen nothing like that even to his day. Who was on that Duke team at the time, Um, Jeff Cables. Uh, those guy like busy right that Yeah, that like that, that whole crew, um, and you know what, to be honest with you, man, like coach k I just came back. Remember he had set out because he had that back surgery, right, and do kind of struggle. So now you remember when he came back, he came back with advengeance like he trying to get everybody. Um, and he he did a great job. But you know, it just came down to being comfortable, right, being a kid from New York, New Jersey, having my daughter and just kind of want to stablish my own thing. Man. Just to be honest, you respect that. Um. Obviously, having a child at such a young age, you know, fifteen, sixteen years old, kind of forces you to step your game up and be a man. Tell me what that was like, juggling obviously wanted to be a father. I love that you make that point first and foremost. But then school, hoop life in general at that age. You know what, it's crazy, right because it's a kid being a kid, a kid having a kid. Right, you're fifteen years old, sixteen years old, you know, you know we shouldn't be in the streets, but we but we're in the streets. We from then the city is there is what it is, right. You know, my community helped me out though. I gotta be honest, you man, Like when anybody say it takes a village, it really takes a village. But like real talk, like like my family was dead for me, right, they every sep of the way, um. And then you know, you just kind of when you're playing ball and you you know, I don't want to just turn because I don't want to be selling cocky, know, but like when you're that guy, anybody want to help you out. Like you guys understand that you've been through it, like you know when you're young a body. You know, when you when anybody see something that they think, Okay, this god gonna be the next one. Anybody want to be around. Right, So I had a lot of people that to help me out. Um. And then you know just who I am and the and the values that I grew away from my mother, right, Like that was important man to beat there for her and you know, and not knowing him because it's like when you wearving a kid. Everything in life there's a manu right, like the tracks, right, you just kind of go on what you know and what you know at the time. It's not right, but you just know what I'm saying, that's kind of yeah, you know, I mean that's that's kind of what I just did, right, And and you know, and Hi work out and workout and having to work out good for me. And you know, I want to give a shout out to my daughter for real, y'all. Like it wasn't hard, it wasn't easy, but she graduated from the scene hall and now she's doing her thing, man, and I just want to show man, like, what's her name? Her name is shout tunique shot, shout out, shout out congratulations. So you know, she dratulated and it wasn't easy, right, think about going to a school where your dad went to and anybody's following you and making sure that you can't be your own person, you know, And she kind of you know, went through all that, So shout out for you know, going through that, you know. So, but then but then you start Matt and it's that, right, but it's a beautiful part of this whole thing, right, Like I didn't make the pros, but I got hurt. Right then I graduated college, right, I be I'm the first one of my family in my community to go to college. Now it's a norm right now. Now you start that, Now it's a normal in your family and your community. To me, that's the biggest thing that I ever did was finished school. Because now I got seven eight little cousins and nieces and nephew. People are community that because I didn't, now they did. Now it's cool. So that's to me, it's the most beautiful thing. Salute a star. Seating hard at the jump someone you hit the campus, You're star? What did that feel like? You? No? It was you know, it was college? Right, So everything that we imagine going to college, you imagine the girls. You know, Jack don't know though Jack, Jack decided to for the waters. Yeah, but Jack college was dope, explaining people because people don't understand, man, how fun college was. Yeah, but you know, everybody wasn't unfortunate as Jack. No, Jack got a back and I want to go back, and then I want to go back and experience. I still got time. J R. Smith could do it. I can do it. Do it. I'll go with you. Facts how high? But you know mat you know man, Look, I mean you know obviously the college you went to, it it's legendary, right, But when you get st up on campus, right, and anybody know who you are. It's a it's a gift in the curse, right be could you like you almost can't be who you want to be because sometimes who you is is not good for for that college. Everybody's watching, right, And that was kind of me, Like I was real raw come into college right right, I'm still I still got New York and me, I still got the hood of me something raw so and you don't want to change you are, but you know you gotta make adjustments. So for me, the first two years was kind of tough because I couldn't be myself, right. I couldn't go to this dom that doom you go somebody don yo yo yo, Shine's here. Well you know he's with this girl, so you can't really do what and back then with no social media and you still everybody know your business. Um. So for me, I just lived in the gym bro um had a great freshman year. Coach got fired, new coach came in and just kind of making adjustments and we really bumped hats because I'm like, yo, this is my show, bro. And then the coach that came in with the same coach that recruited me from Doupe. One of the reasons why I go there. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. So now he's my head coach. I see Halls and now we we we're bumping hats because he want to sw the game down and play his system. I want to play my style, and I just bound you. I had to grow up, you know. I take responsibility for that. I wasn't mature enough back then. And when then my senior year, we kind of made a run because I grew up in days kind of played themselves out. Let's talk about them Big East battles, Rip Hamilton, Ron Test it was. It was legendary, right because I came to school because I wanted to play this Alan Obviason. That's why I chose see like like and I didn't know he was gonna leave and go to Georgetown, like like I wanted to play against something like he was, you know how you like we all have somebody to say, you know what, I want to play against that dude like he's that, you know, And that's one of the reason why I came to see hall Um. But then you here and like every team had somebody at that time that was a great card. Every night was you know, think about problems at Sham and share my brother, right, but like I wanted to take Sham hat off, like no, bro, Like I'm the best guard, right. And then you know every team had somebody though Nova had Alvin Williams taking about your six five point guard you know, you know played in the league, you know, so every team had one of those dudes. And at the time, the Big East was known as like a real physical car friends, and that's what I was built for. You decide, you go four years of seton hall, talk to us about the process coming out of your senior year high hopes and they didn't end up materializing, but you still were able to do stuff to talk to us about that that time in your life. So you know, I got hurt in this in this week six saying right, Um, I booked my ankle, and I kind of rushed back because like you when you five ten, you know you ain't six six six seven, you five ten, You know you got opportunities. So I got invited to Chicago free draft camp. Um I still wasn't Anderson Hill. I'm like, you know what, I gotta go because I missed. I missed t workouts because I couldn't work out because my ankle. Right, So I went to the camp and I'm working, and I know I thought I did no good. So when you got a chance to go to like Lenning Hamilton was the head coach of the University of Miami all right for four years. He coach against me. He ha just got the head coaching job back to Watch and Wizards, so he wanted me to come there for the free agent camp. I went to the Knicks because my silly self like New York, I'm home. I can make it. Not back then, no one is telling you that they got three guards on guarantee contract. So now there's Charlie Ward, There's there's um Chris Childs, and there's Rick Brunston, right, and Rick Pussons my guy. So now I'm like, all roll, I'll played Rick Bunson in the summer leads. Like I'm like I could, I could, I could get joke right, But like you don't know that Rick's been there for two or three years. You know, Timms at the time was assistant coach. TIMPs love him like, hey, Mace, love him. Got us your dad Like he's been there for three years, Like he's a he's one of their guys. Right, So I chose to go to the Knicks camp home. I'm I'm in here. I'm working, bro, I an' gonna lie. I'm working. I'm working. These dudes working, like I never forget this. Ampy Mason was like, Yo, this dude belong on the team, right, I don't know what the politic part of it did. Do belong on the team like Charles Oakley, Right, I know he's a big brother to the show, right to Charles holes Like, yo, he's gonna be my little man in veteran camp. Like I'm gonna take care of him. Right, So I'm rocking. I'll never forget this man like this takes my mind's when I tell the kids all the time, we're in practice, right, so if you know tips, they do three days and two of them is all defensive practice. Right. So um Rick Bruster came down and scored, and yello me, I'm like all right. So I went down and scored on him the very next place he bringing the ball up, I ripped him. I scored him. Was like, Yo, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa young feller, He's a veteran coach down on the wall for next two practices. He had me on the wall, Bro, I ain't said at work. So people like your rick, Why you do that? Bro? You know how tips are gonna do that. He's like, yo, he tried to take my spot, and I'm not mad. I was mad at him then, but now when we look back at them, you get it surviving, you feel me. So to answer your question, man, like you know, um, you know how to come up to me the next right, and went to the next camp and I made your team. Jase Kid got hurt. They need to start a point guard, so they got Travis Best right. So it was like it just did a line up. Good for me, man. So I took my stuff a court the water eight years over there and made some good money, played and came back to coaching. They call it a numbers game A lot. I know so many people that got caught up in the numbers game, but long in the league. But they get two teams where the roster's full likes it's called the numbers game. And you definitely got caught up on that because everybody, everybody in our class knew you definitely was gone favorite country overseas. You played in talk Turkey like I I went there low expectations and no E Temple was perfect and then not put in Israel. Blew me away, bro, like they had me in the beach, blew me away, you bro, blew me away. You know they say point guards the extension of a coach, uh, you know, kind of the coach on the floor. When did you decide to take coaching serious? You know? I think like wanting down my career. Um. I tried coaching my high school team and then hey, you no, just to give back and be around right, Um, and you like it because this is why I'm in coaching right now. It's about the kids. You can make an impact on somebody, like how was that kid that somebody took a second and third chance on? Right? So that's what I wanted to do, Um. And then they kind of start building from there, right, Bobby, Because Alas got the job at Eaton Hall and he wanted me to come on as like a video guy. And I didn't want to do it because I thought it was playing. But I had my daughter with me, um, and that's why I got the coach in the behology guys. Um, there was no American schools over there, closer school too. I was away, so I said, let me take a year off, thinking then one year I could kind of more hard to the way I want. And the coaching kind of got happened quick and beyond you to ha happened like quick, went from this to being assistant, to be the top assistant to being this and then now you had coaches or it happened quite But I knew I wanted to do it when I finished, but not that quick and not that only so you where you belong back and seeing all what's going through your mind now been at joam coaching, I can't mess it up. You know. I gotta come in here and be who I am. Don't change who I am because I think who I am gotta be here today, right um and just and you just our building understand that, you know, and it's gonna be easy. But I'm built for it. I'm ready ump at the time, and I'm know what I'm capable of. But I'll be ho was you man like this run we made like this was for all the young coaches out there, especially after me from coaches, and I'm like, like I'm I'm for everybody, bro, Like I'm for all coaches, Like I'm good everybody, but like we could stereotype that we're just good recruiters, right, that we can't coach. We can't actually we can't do that. So in my mind, I'd be hones with you guys when we was making that run. That's why I made that statement. What they're gonna say now, because they go there's always something like, oh, he can't do this or you can't do that. All right, we beat this team, we beat that team, We did this, we did that, and to the point of like, all right, man, what they're gonna say now? You no, Like, what's the next thing? I can't do? What? So when we're making that run, I wanted to do it for all the guys that you know don't get opportunities because of who they are, because it's color they skin. I want to make sure, you know, give somebody opportunity and let them show you what they could do. Somebody gave me opportunity, and that's why I'm here today. Bro. Everything is about timing, Everything is about facts, and this happened to be perfect timing. I know you as a basketball player, and uh, but who are you off the court. You know, a family man. You know I got a family, right, Um, A mentor to these young guys who are coach every single day, right, a big brother, um, you know, just just just somebody that trying to do the right thing and just you know, get back right. Like I don't I don't have a big circle. You know. I'm I'm a low keybro. You know, I keep to myself. I got my same dude that was with me from day one, you feel me, Um, the same dude that believed in me, and just somebody that you know, I want to be that person that there for the next guy who're trying to get around where I'm at. You know, like like your platform, right, like real talk, like the like the platform that that you guys got, Like it's inspiring, like real talk, because like you guys are yourself, like y'are not here trying to be somebody different. And people see that and they feel that, And I think that's why y'all show was successful, because dudes are looking at y'all like, Yo, that's me. I could do that, looking at all those dudes like they are real. So keep doing what you're doing, bro. I've been trying to get on the show. Man. I love what you guys are doing because you're keeping it real and y'all authentic, don't change. But you know, Bro, that that's a testament to you as well, because everybody aim at St. Peter's yet they love to see the young guys, but you want to us so to see one of us leading and doing big ship in front of the whole world. You know what I'm saying. It's it's the same love back, Bro, It's the same love back, Bro. Now I appreciate that real talking man, you know, and you know you know Stacking No, I know your brother, you know what happened to him. You know, get my condolences. We'd talk man in that moment that you made, Bro, and you you you change the world for real, big dogs real did you change the world? Man? And that's why I'm goneping real with you guys on this show. Right. They wanted us not to wear our shirts in the tournament, and it's like we were not black like matter shirts and I got slacked four and were warm and we and we got a lot of bro real talk. I got a lot of slack from it. For real, like companies that did this, we did they want to wear shirts and the university. I'm like, nah, this is what we did. I've been winning these churchs for two years. We ain't changing it because now we're in the Sweet six team. This is this is what we're doing. Bro. Loot for that. Bro, that's real ship. I love to hear that. Man man chemistry recruiting. I mean, you're at Seaton Hall now, it's not St. Pete's. Uh you know, so what are your your your your strategies and how has that process been going for you? You know what? Right now, it's different, Matt, Right, everybody wants so this name, image and lightness. Everybody want to know about you know, what can you do for me and my brand? Right? So nobody care about the school no more. They brand and guess what, I get it, Bro, I get it. I'm all for you know, let the kids make their money, right, but that do it right? Right, That's no time and place for that. So I'm talking to kids that, you know, once again fit my personality, Kids that I want to bring in. Kids that's hungry. Um. I might not get the five star players, which I'm good with, right, I get the three star players and make them five stars, right, because like my work and my individual instruction and things that I did, you guys realized like I was at this level before. I was as social head coach for eight years, so I get it. You know, I've recruited number one with recruiting classes in the country. So it's no different. The only different right now is brands are you just gotta try to get creative with the name, image and likeness and you know, get god that fit what you want to do on and off the court. The difference is too you ain't just play. You ain't just coaching on the high level. You played at a high level. Two facts right, Well, hopefully you could have that that Dion Sanders effect. I mean, because all the recruits out there, there's not a hotter coach that's gonna have more eyeballs on him next year something. A lot of them want a lot of us want you to succeed, some of them want you to fail. But now that that's the eyeballs are gonna be on you. So the all recruits out there, that's where they let I mean, he got people at Saint Pete's image and likeness and in getting dollars. You can only imagine what he's gonna do at a major school. But I like what you said. It's a time and a place, but you gotta learn some principles and some values and some morels in the process. And I think that's what's kind of funked up about this process now. Although I'm all about everyone getting money because God knows we need it, but it's just like, when you have no guidance with that money, that's when the trouble starts. So come, come, come do your thing over here. We're gonna learn some ship, You're gonna get some money, and you can become a better man and a better basketball player at the same time. So I like that. That's real though, Bro Matt, that's roal though, bro like. And that's what most parents don't understand. Right, Yeah, this is this is good, but it only lasts for a second, right, Sorry, what's a big goal? Like? So the so the the bigger picture is not to just make the NBA, to stay in the NBA, right, and and that's a blessing within themselves. Okay, So how are we gonna get there? Don't let three thousand dollars five thousand dollars change take to the plan. Make sure We've got a good foundation in place, the right people behind you. Keep broking because you gotta produce on that. Keep in mind this is kind of off topic, but when you guys get your schedule and you have like a big ESPN game or whatever it is, let us know will come shoot the show before and kind of get some more hype around it and shot some with Don next year too. So man, please, we want to come family to practice and talk to the boys all that. Bro let us lets let us come tap in with y'all your real talk brothers, like like anything that I could do to help what you guys are doing. Please, we gotta support you though, we gotta sport. That's why I just told all the recruits what I told him. Man, this is a whole plan in the process. Man, We're with you, We're helping you, We're there with you know. I appreciate it, man, I appreciate you know what I mean, not you know and offline man, that's you know, that's that connected man. And then, like I said, Andy, I could do please don't entertate, no doubt, would definitely exchange your fault UH current day n b A UH teams or players you enjoy watching. I'm a big fan of what y'all is doing and what Step is doing out there. And I'll be honest you, I'm a huge fan of demon letters Like he just I'm the dog man. He just he got that thing, you know, man, that I that I appreciate. Um. So I kind of going at the question man like I don't, I don't. I don't have a you know, New York as my team, you know, we I'm gonna take with him because I'm not. I don't jump bandwagons. But I'm just a fan of I'm a fan of the sport period. I wish all the kids. I wish all the kids took one thing from Greek Freak that I was. I just wish all of it could take. Is how he appreciates the game of basketball. He loves it, man, true, He go out there and play every game like it's his last bro. And if they pick it up anything from Greek Freak, please pick that up from it? Yeah, let me ask you a question. Right, you look at the Greek Freak, and you look at Yogurts, and you look at old boy in Dallas, like why those dudes hunger more than Americans? Okay, because I'm gonna say this here. You hey, you that's what's done it When these coaches start following kids and flying them to different states and paying them, yeah, paying them to to to play in one game twenty thousand, all this and why in the tenth eleven grade, that messes everything up because the hunger is gone now Greek free, Greek Freak started playing was started playing basketball two years pace they got an the n B A. Don has been playing playing a pro since he was fifteen. Six years I've been playing professionally. So the love for the game and and and how they care about the game is different. You know what. That's real, bro, And that's what so we're talking about name imager like that just plays a party. Like you said, dudes getting paid at the youngest just it's probably they like they don't get it. They don't appreciate the journey because we don't have to go through. Think about your path to their man, think about your patrick man. You know what I'm saying. Like these dudes they got they got the overtime joint, they got the g leading. Now they got that's giving them a couple of dollars. It's like, yo, you're missing that only big picture, bro. Yeah, And that's the balance to to with me, because I mean, like the perfect word to grind, you know what I mean, Like the way I grew up a food stands, drugs abuse, this kind of ship. Like my kids will never see that, and I'm proud that I've been able to them in a position like that. But how do I mentally make them understand that it's still gonna be a grind regardless, you know what I mean? And that's that thin line and unless you have some real people in your ear, in your corner humbling you and let you know what the big picture is. That's why I feel like these kids and it's not it just is what it is. But they're pampered, they're softer. Uh, there's less fire because they're giving everything before use the best word they saw. Think about when we play at you, did you ever see parents in the stands? Like did your pars? Not right? And that was a real ship too when you said, like yo, when you go on these trips and like even that McDonald's meal, like yo, like okay, yeah, we're really we're gonna eat good on this trip because Coach got us like that ship is something that kids will never you know, really understand because everything now is just here. You go. Hey. But what's different between us three and what our kids have is everything we got is earned, not given. And they know that. And you know what I'm saying, and and and and that's one thing that instead of teaching them, they see it. You know what I'm saying, it's proof and of putting with us. We've all earned everything and everything we got today even earning getting to the NBA, and we earned and nothing wasn't given to us. So our kids know that, you know what I'm saying. Deep we might not think they see it. We might and they might not be as tough as we want them to be, but deep down inside they know everything that we got we earned it. But I think about this for a second, Think about a second. This I am with my son. I'm sure you guys the same way. Because we got what we got, it's still not here. You go like I'm my son. I put him through it, like bro, like I put him through it, Like you want to do this. If you're gonna do this, we're doing it. And no playing games with it like you ain't. I don't want to do today, Like, no, you gott understand, and I take them to a way I grow back. So he see it, like he goes playing in New York right, because in Jersey he's really good, like really good New York trash. It's different, it's different. It's different now they're on different levels. So he I'll make sure he see that and understanding, like, Yo, these are the dudes that you're gonna be playing against that you're trying the next level. You don't get it done now he's not. Yeah, I love it. I'm gone. My boys are thirteen, Like we got the number one thirteen youw team in the country. We're bouncing all over the place and really put them in the fire, like in the MIXX, like let's go, like one of my twins starts, one of them does it. I feel like I'd be doing them a disservice that this is my team. We running all the players, you're gonna play all the minutes. I'm that's gonna suck you up when I'm not your coach, and it's just gonna be a false and security in life. I mean, so we're over here really trying to teach life lessons. I think that ship is so important. That is real, bro, because I know you can't held that home for not starting both of them. So that's real, bro. But they but they understand and I tell them why you know you got at this point. At this point, they they, I'm to my d's little motherfucker's are grown at this point, my nigga, I'm sorry, let me take over this point. We're talked about the twins and at this point, at this point, they're probably raising him somebody. They solid at that age to be so solid. I stayed at this house about three or four days, bro, and these are the solidest thirteen year olds I've ever met my life. Bro. I'll just be teaching them life, man, That's what it's about. Like it's it's bigger than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a tool that's gonna get you wherever you want to go. But I'm just teaching them life, teaching the game. It's just fun. Me and Jack kind of go back and forth on this. What are your thoughts on the playing situation? I don't like it either. I don't like it right, I don't like it, no, whir because like you played the whole season and I dident of it. You have to, you know, think about it, man, Like I'm giving somebody a breakdown because I just got money. But that's that's part of it, man Like, I mean that's not old schools, Like, that's not who we are, Like, that's not old school. So that's why I get mad when my son go tournament and they don't when they get trophies, like, man, get that trophy back, like I'm serious, Like it's not okay, like like for real, man, like get that trophy back, like you here on that. So they like to me to playing, you know, not get it because you know you want yeah, you want certain in the playoffs, right, Like so let's say if you know the Lakers ain't like, you want them in the playoffs, right, So you get it, right, But I'm not a big fan of it. Take care of your business in the regular season and you're being a playoffs. Stop these motherfuckers. Stopped letting these motherfucker's rest and not play when they don't want to want to play and sit on the bench for two or three weeks and say they ankle hurt and now now you're in a nine test spot. No, take care of your business in them eighty two games. And put yourself in a position to be able to play in the postseason. At it, my boy, Hey, I'll be tuned in tonight. I'm not mad at it what you say, but I mean, it's good entertainment to me. It's like, and that's why, you know, it's funny, like I'm a purist. I love defense. I mean, that's what kind of player I was. So it's almost like the NBA is so far from what it used to be. But I'm not someone that's like, man, this is it. I just go with the you know, I just go with the wave because everything changes, you know. I mean that that's what the world is about, you know what I mean. And now they're talking about a possible in season tournament. What sounds like some crazy ship to me. But my whole thing is just like you know what I mean, it's it's I'd rather I'd rather just go with the flow. I got too much real ship to worry about that then think about. You know this, it's fun to me. It's it's it's entertainment. Man. No that Let me ask you guys this because Matt you just said it. You said you're pros You're a defensive guy, right, So that's what I preach. That's what my team is about. You watches playing right, we can ask it on defense. Why people don't appreciate that, bro, because it doesn't get you paid in the in the in the attention and all that. But it wins. But you win? Right? But right? But what what what did you say earlier? Though? What do people want these days? They want name, likeness, image, they want attention awards. It's not pretty, but offen win awards, deepenst win championships. Bro, noa no, I'm on that. I'll be on the bion a little. Teams asked about playing defense. That's where it all starts. I tell people on my team all the time. Kids, you can play defense and make a shot. You got a chance play your role to the crown your soul. I forgot who's that? Man? Do they go? There's a place where you stay in your lane? Uh? Finals predictions? Who you have coming out of the East, who you have coming out of the West. But well, Milwaukee is it's gonna you know the way Milwaukee is going to play now? Man? You know I think that you know data favorites right up Miami. You know, if they could get they could get their whole team together and Joel a little bit. So I think those two teams the West Man. You know, CP is back, right, so right right, CP is back. But I'll tell you right there, man, what Memphis is doing? Truth? Like, I don't know, right, It's just like like I thought. I thought, you know, Yan, I thought the Jazz would be a little bit better because their nucleus, right, I thought they would just be a little better. Um, they're missing that. To me, the Jazz are missing that second consistent game starter. They got Donovan Mitchell. He doesn't mean. I mean they're paying that brother a lot of money to be that point guard. He should be that joy he can fail. He's not. But I'm saying he don't. I like Donovan Mitchell. I think he's talented, but he don't make people better. And I thought Mike Connley would come over and help kind of facilitation it just has it. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about, Connie. Yeah, but he just hasn't really been doing what I thought. Did I knew that should I play with him in Memphis that he did in Memphis, he just star. Then they need a mega star. They need somebody that's gonna go in there tattooed up dunk in every game, screaming after he dunk, Like they need a KG type of guy to come to the organization to get them better, because right now, it's just it's been due for a long time. But let me ask you this, and let me ask you guys this now, this is can go and stay sneak up on dudes anymore? They can't hear it. If Steph gets healthy, this is gonna be the first time we saw their core play together with two and a half two and a half years. But at the same time, it's stuff like they need a lot of time because they know each other like the back of their hands, you know what I mean. It's just like it's that they've been there, and to me, they reloaded with young dodg Jordan Pool is an up and coming star finga. You know, he went to the same high school. He's gonna be a problem. Play their Yeah, dudes, play their role so that as your man if he's healthy. The glue Yeah, they got shot because you know, you know, you don't know what Curry's gonna do the glues, the glues healthy, Yeah, I think the I think they got a shot but we've been saying, I don't know. I don't know if I could take those guys off. They're just playing at they right now, just at a different level, different level. I'm interested to see. And I've been talking about us in ESPN all last week. Is I love what Memphis has been doing. But when the lights come on, are these young players gonna play like they play like your team? Similar situation like when when the lights came on, normally smaller schools fall, You guys played in them lights like you belong there. So I want to I think Memphis can do that. I just gotta see it. Can Miamie do it? I don't believe in Miami for some reason, I just don't believe in Miami. I don't believe in Miami. I don't believe in you talk, two solid teams that play the right way are always at the top, you know, normally outside of Utah this year, but I just don't believe in them for some reason. No, that's that's real. Sex is over for the sexes. James Harden gotta have a run right here, boy, Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's around. That's it. I gotta I'm honored to ask you this question because you're real New York. I'm talking about real New York. One album from an nyc rapper that you would listen to. No skips, don't repeat. M hmm. Come on, man, see see stack. No no, no, because it's a few right, because you gotta go back right, because I'm like, I'm I'm old school right this this this new school stuff is trash, right, So yeah, right, no, so so you gotta go back right. So now you listen to Biggie first joint, right, that's classic, right, It's like classic classic marb Deep don't get a lot of I was waiting for that. I was waiting for the mob deep. You know, I was waiting for that. You know what I'm saying. The mob don't get it, like the mom don't get it like they're supposed to. But I gotta go back to my brother though, man, like amatic for a joint? I don't. I don't keep no shi nahs, Yes, sir, aomatic. That's a that's the halbum. You know. That's like I always kept no songs on there, like like it's only ten joints. You just play it through the reasonable. That was tough, Yeah, it was it was right, but like you don't appreciate reason done to like now, we appreciate when you first standing what you have, an understanding what you are. I feel that I mean, and then you look twenty years later and he's doing it. He's doing that consistently. Man, he's I mean, j Jay's a gold man because he Jacob picks him now today and you're like, oh wow, I mean like he still got it greatness, Uh, including yourself, you plus four build an all time New York starting five. Really yeah, You're the point guard, so that eliminates all the other points. You can actually could put it at the point guard at the two if you want this your team. Well, I always gonna put my brother down because no, that's my brother sold so me and skipping the backcourt. No, all right, um, Like I'm gonna get crucified a little bit, right because when you told New York City who you gotta talk, Pearl Washington or Kenyanson. But I'm going with I'm going with a young flavor. So I'm gonna with me and ski all right? Oh ma, you know this is one that we're gonna make a graphic of this, you know, you like we know the Goat was from Brooklyn, right right, So you know Mike is from Brooklyn, right right, right, right right, So so I gotta pay Mike on there, right right. So you know Shock is from are you saying New York? Okay? So so Shock is from Jersey. I can't do Jersey, all right. So so you know Kareem is from the city too, right right, So that's the center, you know what I mean. So I'm not trying to make sure I get how much to the to the you know, the the legends and my wing's gonna mess you up. Man. Best score I ever seen in my life. Man. But but nowr King Brost the best small forward scorer I've seen. That's just me. Let me ask you a question about this one guy, the Black Widow. Oh he could have played in the league, bro who to it was tough comes, O'm my mad he he our size. I'm very familiar. I'm a big fan of Hill, big fan, bro. And let me ask a question. Can I get two teams because I got another teams? No, No, I'm done. Pick a team to go against them, pick a team to go against them against y'all all right, So I'm gonna in the backcourt. You know it's my brother man called us David Woods and Kenny Anderson, sir Um. You know, I gotta pick Dr J and just small forward because he just him him him going at m J. Dr Doc. You know what I'm saying, doctor the doctor. You know what I mean? I know my brother matter piece is gonna get get mad at me, wrong man, because you know he's you know, that's my brother warrior, my brother. You guys can men tough about right now? So many tools, so many you write about that just like she's like, I'm trying to figure out who this center is gonna be, but I don't even know about Yea, I know y'all number guards out there. You know what I mean, what it's going to be. You know what I just think with my first group man, and I just you know, I know, I know people hit me up, but come on, it's kareem My dud with you'rbar and Michael Jordan. Come on, yeah, come on, that's crazy. Come on man, really, you know what I mean? Like, what were we talking about right now? You know what? What what are we really talking about? Just with dose two dudes along? What were we talking about? Nothing? Okay? I'm gonna change this last one since you're authentic New York and we already really spoke on that top five m seas in your opinion from New York. Oh oh right, so you got big nas Jay. What you're gonna do with that? You gotta obviously what he did, you gotta throw Frith and now all right that man. See I'm biased, right, I'm biased because I like that, But he's from my hood, bro, So I got through my I gotta go throw my from my hood. You know he you know, he had a great run. He had a good tenure run. You know, I gotta throw John there. Yeah, yeah, you're probably gonna do nah to me. John Rule was ahead of his time. He was rapping as you know what John Roll would do today with rapping and singing the hits he was making that, you know what I mean? He from my hood. So I got through in that. He changed the game around, right, think about nobody's what he's doing the R and B ship. Like he was telling someone I was arguing with someone like two weeks ago about how cold he would be right now. He was just before his time, would be killing it right now. Yeah, So I'm going with those five. I'm not at that top five coaches of all time in your opinion, and what sport? All the sports are just basketball period mm hmm. Top five coaches all time. It's like I got a lot of respect, Like like I got a lot of respect for you know, what part Rally did? Mm hmm. I got a lot of spect for for what pet Rally did? You know? Yeah, you know, I got a lot of respect for Lenny. What Lenny Whippers did. Yeah, you know, I think he did it for us, you know what I mean. I got a lot of spect for Lenny Um. You know on the football side, you know, I know people gett give them help. But what good Belichick did? No questions, you know what I'm saying, Like just like what are we talking about? You feel me? We really talking about? Like growing up? No? You like like like I'm just like I'm a basketball dude, fellas, Like just so you know, like I'm a basketball dude. Like what Chuck Dell he did with those those bad boys, Like like I read his books, like my team had that same mentality that he had. So I'll rock with Chuck man, like I know a lot of people I rocked with him, man, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? And just wait, just what he did, you know for those guys and Detroit At that time, I thought it was just amazing, you know, And like I like Dusty Baker Fellers, Dusty, go ahead, he went to my high school. He went to my high school. I broke all his records in high school. He's a legend. Yeah, you know what I mean, Just like I like, I like when dude stand for something. Bro, he was just kids pick his mind. You know. He did things the way he wanted to do. And I think everybody who I name did things their way. It's important, it's important. Shout out Dusty. I love that Del Campo High School. You know, like like know I say that name and some people probably don't even know who does he is? You know what I'm saying. Ship, If you could pick one guest for us to have on All the Smoke, who would it be? But before you answer this question, you have to help us get your answer on the show. Bam. So if I had one guest that I want to try to have on the show, and what was the second part, and you got to help us get your answer on our show. So it's gotta be someone, you know, so I know you just gotta hit whatever you say. You just gotta help us, get us get up. I don't have to be somebody, you know what I mean? Most likely it's gonna have to be some when you know, right right, I look at I look at your show man. I mean, y'all dudes had dudes on it. That's the real dude. That dude that I look up to. You feel me? But you guys, hey, you're from Queens. We just talked about it. You can get in touch with him, amatic man, Let's do it. You know that's getting as on the show. Bro. Yeah, I know some people that that you know that. Yeah, just a my contact. I lost Jungle's number. So if Jungle happened to see this, Jungle we need bro. I've seen him at restaurant not too long ago, but I don't want to ask him. Wrong time, wrong place. But you know what do you so? My brother Randy, So, my brother Randy Echo him and him and Clue is his partners. No clues to type what you know? What? What? No? So let me want that I need that. Yes, definitely shout out clue. We need should we need clue to my clue. We need clue. Man, We appreciate your time. I want to shout out your St. Pete crew. If you guys happen to see this, man, you you made all of us proud. Happy for y'all boys. Man, Best of luck moving forward, not only in basketball but life to the new uh new Seaton Hall fellas, man, best of luck. We're rooting for y'all. We're gonna come funk with y'all, recruit shots, all the other ship you want to have. You're gonna be seen over here. Player. Man, you know real told fellows like this was like and this ain't seen all ain't death. Bro. But if you want to play for a coach that no basketball, that played the game and then say they trying to live their hoop dreams, do you coming? Let's do it? Bro, that's doing you know what? You can't put this better man like you No, it's and brother for real, like like I'm being honest with you guys, man, like I fuss with you guys man like you guys are what the coach you need? You know what's real, y'all. Keep authentic, y'all, keep it real, y'all, speak on your mind. You speak on topics that people aren't comfortable speaking on. You know what I'm saying, And that's what I think that we need. Man. So thank you guys for having me on. Man. When they told me about it, I said, I gotta do it man, like you're kidding me, Like I gotta do it, man. So thank you guys so much. And if you guys on mind, like my son like he's killing me right now. He just wanted I gotta say him in bro, and your mom was hopping to tell him to hopping the camera mat check out Mac. He got here like you Mac, you know, tell us it's so hand so well man, this one young son, Exavier, what's up? What''s up? All right? He was killing me, Man said, don't be like, come on down, let me get on, let me get all of me. You have responsibility like us, light skinned boys, we gotta we gotta get. It's hard on us because of that hair and our complexion. People are gonna be trying to you know, I mean messing now on the girls though, bro, Hey Shanty had that good hair in high school. Tell him shot she had to. I used to have it, bros. To have got you got you got some Dominican in you what you got? No I juices and berries? Bro? He did hey? Did you? Hey? The juices and berries? He ain't got no here today? Fact your fellows, No talk man, Thank you guys, man, appreciate man, Thank you man. Another episode. Thank our special guest, Shea Holloway. Best of luck to you. Bro. You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube or the I heart platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week. Base

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