Next 75 00s Edition With Tracy McGrady | WHAT’S BURNIN | Showtime Basketball

Published May 24, 2022, 10:33 PM

Another special episode of WHAT'S BURNIN is here! Stak and Jamal Crawford are joined by special guest, 7x NBA All-Star, Tracy McGrady to unveil another set of unheralded players on their Next 75 list, all from the 2000s, including guys like Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Chris Webber and more. They also talk the latest with the NBA conference finals. 

Three year peak, twenty points per game, fourteen rebounds per game, two and a half blocks per game, nineteen thousand career points and count. Only player ever to win Defensive Player of the Year three years in a row, eight time All Star, two time block Champ, eight time All n B A, five time All Defense, five time rebounding champy NBA Champ two thousand four or five rookie, three time Defensive Player of the Year. But that's not top seventy five dollars. That's that's a whole book what we're talking about. And then he was one of the people that I was talking about that was enough off that list, that a top seventy five? What up? World? Should botch that five? Another episode of West Burning, my brother Matt Barnes is all attended to the boys. Someone playing basketball, doing his dad thing as he does. I got my homie, my partner in crime, Jamal Crawford, Mr cross over here hosting with me today. What's up, Doggie? What's up? My guy? We're back area at that time, we're back at it. They were back at it. We gotta give him one. They're asking for a little what's up, little see you wanna ge already here you go, already, let's get here. Let's get to it, man, with the status check Warriors in Dallas. Man, Warriors are one game away from going back to the finals. I had I said they was gonna win the SERI Regional stuff. Had another thirdy point game, his seventh player thirty point game. Clay came in big the second half. You know, Clay still trying to get his field, but he had his big shots. Pool Man, I know he's gonna get this bag. We said this, and I know men Matt said this. I expect Luca to come out and have a big game. He's one of the best players in the league. But he has no supporting cast. And for me, some of the guys that should be playing on the sideline saying they hurt, but they're running up and down the side. I like coaches. I mean, I don't understand what's going on over there. Man, Luke. I know it's a lot of pressure on Luca, but there's no way that It's not a second that I thought that they were gonna get out of the series. Man, because the Warriors have too much experience. Clay, steffan And and George Jmonda finally back together what we've been looking to see for the last few years with played being out. So I mean, it isn't no way that they get out this series. But I said Luca was gonna do his job, man, But it's just too much over there and go to State. Lucas doing his job stack. But if you look at it, where's the support coming from. We know Bruns is gonna give us some support. We know den Wodi's gonna give us some support. I'm looking for everybody else because when Golden State one years ago with strength and numbers, they made even more deep. Now, whenever Andrew Wiggins is your fourth option, you got a championship level team. And like you said, I'm watching the first two games, I didn't see Clay really in rhythm. They were one of those games without playing rhythm. Right. He had a good third quarter Game one. But to get him in rhythm, get Wiggins playing how he's playing, and some things Wiggins is doing right now, picking up Luca full court, messing with wearing him down, frustrating the first game, Luca was frustrated with his teammates awful little things because he was frustrated what was going on the game. And it's good to see the Warriors back. A lot of people said they wouldn't get back. The league has changed. Uh, to see them, they hear those whispers as well. They got championship pedigree. And to see where they're going to be a game away from the finals. I think the league is better when the words are doing will Yeah, I agree. I was one of those people earlier on in his career. I was real hard on Wiggins. You know, I went at him in the media a couple of times. But I'm the same person that to killed you and gave your props. He being a dog right now, and I mean on the defensive bend, he taking the challenge and he's being the player that the Warriors needed both of the floor, not really worrying about the ball too much, but making plays, getting tip dunks and guarding the best player. Uh. Like I said, I killed him before, but I'm giving him his props. Here a big here, a big reason why they winning right now. But Jamal, when the last time you went over ten from the three point line? Yeah, I'm not sure I went over ten. If I went over ten, I'm going three for thirteen. I'm shooting the next three ain't gonna stop me. I ain't losing confidence. I'm getting closer, getting hot. But hey, what you said with Wiggins was a huge point. And what you said you didn't kill him. You as being real. You saw he had a potential, You saw he had talent, and you wanted to harness that and come out. He needed to go to State just as much as Good Stay needed him, and they need each other. And Wiggins getting to a point where everybody saw the talent he needed to see Steph and Clay in the preparation and being that championship DNA and see what that felt like. C Dramond, see how they work every single day. Even a guy like Iago Dollar, he's not playing right now, championship pedigree, he knows what it takes. Wiggins needed that and for them to meet each other right now at that it was the perfect time. He's bawling, he's doing well and we gotta tip our hats to him. It was good to see a lot of those things at the game. We also see Mark Cuban and Uh and Wayne makeup. But I just don't think Uh Dallas has enough. Man, It's gonna be hard all three, which you think what you think is gonna happen. Game four was it's gonna end in Dallas. Are they're gonna go back to uh go to State? How? I mean? San Francis gonna have to close it up? You know what? Naturally, I can see you kind of taking your frol off the gas a little bit. Let's enter it at home. Let's our fans kind of celebrate this championship. I had Dallas winning one before the final, before the Western Conference Final started. I still have him win one. I think they win this one game. But then it comes down to Dallas, they'd be like, man, you know what, we didn't come back from three. I let's just show here. We ain't gotta go travel, you know. But Luca got hard. I know he's gonna show up. I know he got pride. J K is a leader, He's where all the experiences coming from. I see Dallas win in one game. Where do we rank this on the Warriors? You know they got championship already? Is is this their most historic one? I mean with everything they've gone through, Clay being injured, everybody they started the playoffs with, Steph and Draymond got kicked out of game Like it's a lot been going on already. Is this there because this might be their last run? You know what. I don't know if it's the most historic one, but I think it'll be their most appreciated one because they're not young anymore. They're not surprised nobody no more. They got hit on the chain, and like a true champion, they bounced back. They showed that you can have peaks and valleys. Clay has been interest since then. Guys are get a little bit older, the league's get a little bit better, you know. Guys are you know, playing and catching up a little bit more so they hear all those whispers. Uh, steph, here's those whispers. Obviously him being the center what they're doing. I think this would be their most appreciated championship. They could pull it off for Luca. If they don't, if they don't make it out this series, what they what they need to do with with him and to bring in for to Dallas for them to be successful going forward, get some more help. I don't know if you watch TNT yesterday, but Chuck only on the horse. I said, Man, it's Luca right now. He's riding on a horses carrying Chuck carrying all this weight. They got to give him some help. If they give him some help, some real help. I don't mean regular season help, I mean playoff help. Jalen Bruns is a study spit Den Windy. We need a little bit more from He got a whole lot of game, but the playoffs have been kind of up and down for him. If they can get him a bona fire second star, I'm not gonna say any names, but they can get him a bona fide type second star, I think his game will brow. But this is good for Luca being twenty three years old and seeing there's levels too greatness. Right, Steph Curry has been great for a long time. There's no better person for you to see in the playoffs series, especially to get to the finals. No team has ever come back oh three. So we'll see what happens next segment on the Radar by draft Kings. Here the odds presented to you by draft Kings on how many games this series would go me personally is over in folk Man. You heard that as boss four games minus one ten five games plus one sixty six games plus one thousand seven games plus eight fifty What do you think, Mam I'm going five games. I think they get one game being nice, being a nice dog, I'm being nice. I just think they're gonna give all they have for that one game. It's at home. They got to their fans in justice. I'm going one game, they get one win, five game series. Man, I just chef them. Have been in this position too many times. Man, they got to go and get them boys up out of here. They absolutely smell blood. Ain't no doubt about it, Jack, Ain't no doubt. All right, let's move on to the Heating versus Boston game. Going seven. They're going seven games plus one hundred plus six game, six games plus one thirty five and five games plus six hundred this series, mam, how many games you gotta go on? I'm going seven. I think this one's going to distance. It's just I can't figure out who's the better team right now, Jack, I know who's better offensively in Boston. I know who's better defensively in Miami. But with health and availability, I'm going seven. It's a toss up fliper coin, which you want heads tail? I mean, I gotta agree with you on that, bro. My question there, this series been so up and down. I can't really tell who's gonna win or who's gonna play. Somebody go down every two, you know, two seconds, so it's gonna be up for grounds. But if I had to make a bit, I go seven games plus a hundred. Yeah, we too. I think that's a good bad safe money, safe money. Now it's time for a third edition of Showtime's Next seventy five. We're naming the seventy five underappreciated Hoopers of all time. Gott to shed a light on them. Today we're gonna be talking about two thousands hoops. Me and Stacks are joining us today. Is one of the best players from our air, our brother Tea Matt Trace McGrady. What's up, bro, Man, It's good to be on your platform. Bro. What's going on with y'all? Man? Happy to have you on the show Man. Happy early birthday too, Dog. I appreciate getting y'all man. I'm getting younger, you're getting wiser, math you getting watched. That's all that is too. Hey. We also got an announcement to make Dog. Not only is your birthday, we want to welcome you to the Showtime Family team is officially apart. The Showtime Family. Not so welcome bro. Yeah, Man, I appreciate it. I was looking forward to this. It's so dope, Matt. Can you explain what O b L is and what you're trying to build. So what I'm building, uh, Fellas is really a league, a platform, uh that creates opportunity for a lot of these hoopers that really untapped. As you all know, it's a lot of underground one on one league's out here, a lot of great skills out there that is not playing in the NBA. Uh. Some of these guys played college ball, didn't get the opportunity to play professional basketball, but they still got that drive and love the game. Some people try to create one on one leagues, but I think the way I'm doing it with adding that ranking system brings a different dynamic to the game. And I think, you know the player so far of being on this platform, they love it. Man, m great skills set, great competition, that the exposure that these cats can get that they've probably never gotten before. It's it's something that for me because I know you know where I come from and how my story is. Right, nothing nothing really changed for me as a player. I just got on a bigger platform, a national platform. For me, what changed and really made me who I became was getting the invites to the dida's Camp, national rate high school basketball platform, and prior to that, I don't one knew who the heck I was as a basketball player. That changed my whole world of getting on a nationally ranked platform. So I look at some of these these cats that are out here, like I talked about, that love the game of basketball, creating that platform for them, giving them the opportunity to showcase their skill set and make a name for themselves and build a legacy or create one. You know what I'm saying. And that's what I'm all about. I want to change their lives because I know how my life got changed and somebody gave me that opportunity and I took advantage of that. And that's where I stand with oh b L. Hey to to question. First, First, we uh show time. We appreciate you starting league and we love being a part of it. But I want you to explain, uh tell people the definition of o b L, what what it stands for, and also what do you see it in a few years. So o b L stands for One's Basketball League and in a few years I'm looking for O b L to be global. You know, it's so many doors that I can knock down with this league that to me, I think it should be a global platform that guys get that recognition for their skill set. I'm looking forward to be part of All Star Weekend because the slam dunk contest is just not it. I mean, it's a hit or miss, you know, some some weeks some years, I should say, I'm looking forward to be a part of the Olympics, which was you know, you got three on three, why not one on one. Let's find out who the best in the world, and if if it doesn't get into the Olympics. Creating the model for O b L here in North America. Whatever that model is, we then go and sell that model to different countries so they can identify who their rule over the court is and we can create through O b L we can rate our own Olympics. It doesn't have to be in the you know, the big Olympics. We create open ell Olympics on our own. Mm hmm. That's crazy. You're changing the game once again. Obviously you changed on the court and we're getting that later on. But you guys have been different cities. Now, what have you noticed style of play wise from city to city. Tell me about Chicago versus you know, Houston or a different place. What's the style of play from these different cities when you look at it. Atlanta was more of a brute style of basketball. Not really highly skilled guys, but it was just more of you know, being a brute muscling. Chicago show ray of skills, not finished game and the roads finished game. Listen. In Chicago you already knows as a tough, you know city anyway, but they're they're mental is different, like they're way different. But the skill set was really high. Houston. Houston was very competitive. Skill set was was on another level as well. But if I had to choose, you know which one out of those three cities was probably the best I've seen. I go Houston and Chicago. Uh, pretty high skill sets in those cities. But the toughness and the trash talking Chicago man that there was, it was on a whole another level. And we're in New York next weekend, so you can imagine the shoot like that. What the city's gonna be in New York? Yeah, I had I had two young and little boost and another little kid played here in Atlanta, man, and he said, Man, all the guards was was big. Man. It was nothing. All the guards are too big. Man. There's nothing I can do, but it was. It was a great experience for him, Tacu. I appreciate that because I played with these young guys in l A. Finnis every week, and you can tell these these kids hungry. But coming back in the gym after experiencing that, man, they had a different glow on them. Now that's what's about bro Um, you know, just just create opportunities for these cats, man, because I know how much they love to play this game, and I know the impact that it has on us. You know what I'm saying. As as as kids that grew up in certain areas, that's our way out, that's what we love to do. That's our safe haven. So Um to get these guys an opportunity only you know, it's it's only right because of how I got to where I am today. We talked about oh b L to be in New York next week. We're talking about some talent. We're gonna see some some all kinds from Jamal Crawford from ball handling going on in New York. But but also are you excited about the fight the tank David's fight. I am tain't got them hands, and you know, I watched a couple of his fights, but to be able to see them hands, you know, go at it in person, is gonna be on the whole another level. I'm gonna have a probably a new found respect for for my guy after that fight. But I'm definitely looking forward. But going back to um A Chicago, j C. A kid from Calamazoo won it. I don't know if you know that from Caligan, Callazoo, Michigan wanted. Yeah, he drove two and a half hours, bro, and he won, and he want we tell you who he played like. He played like Brandy Jennings and he looks like Brandy Jennies. Hey and Matt, Matt. I saw I saw him sitting in the chair when you were standing next to him, and when he was sitting there he won. His face was still business like. He came down on a business trip. I felt that energy even looking at the picture. So that's crazy to say that man, that man had game like Brandy Jenny's. He was crafty, he was lefty, looked like he was he was nice he was giving him the business out there. Bro. When I say his skill set was on another level. He's highly skilled. And I know you from Seattle, but you know you got tied to Michigan. That's why I brought that up now, absolutely, And I know for you doing O bill, for you and being who you are, you'd like to see the skill set more than just backing you down. How you want to see the skill let me let me see why you're special, let me see why you crafty. And I know that was exciting for you to watch the young Brandon Jenny is on the street. I like that. That's very important to me because I look at you, Look at the league right now, look at look at the European players, at Little Cool, look at young right. They can't jump over a phone book, but they've some of the most talented and highly skilled guys in our league. And they're gonna be that way because they You can't speed them up right, you can't get under skinned that they're tough. They've been playing pro basketball since they was ten years old. So these guys know how to play man. They could beat you with their mind and and and and their skills. Absolutely skills. Petter bills. Yes, sir, Well let's get into these two thousand. Who's me and mall came into the league in two thousands, Mathew side with the Lando in two thousands. First thoughts of the top seventy what's your first? Um? I mean, you know, top seventy five, that's that. That's tough, bro, you know, and any any time you put on the list like that with you know, the great players that come through our league, somebody's gonna get left off. That's just what it is. You know, you're gonna leave some great players off. But you know, I'm pretty fun with the list. I just thought some of the guys that are still playing, you know, with the exclusive of Lebron James, that's a no brainer, Katie, it's a no brainer. But some of them, some of the guys that still but I still think they got a little bit more time and stuff as well. Like therese are no brainers, but there's some question marks on there that I thought, you know, some guys that didn't make it should be in there. So my question for y'all is when you think of two thousands of basketball, like, what's the first thought that comes to mind? Stacking that? To me? I think of perimeter dominance. That's what I think, perimeter dominance, Bro, because the weeds back there. I mean, you two guys that like, man, look, every night you had to you had to put it down. We had a hell of a matchup every night, Bro on that wing, no nights all. I I said that when I when I went to the East. You know, I was like, man, listen, bro, y'all don't know what I was going through in San Antonio. Every night, bro on that wing. It was a problem every night. Dog, I tell people all the time, said the talent on the wing, you know, you gotta think it's it's guards. Now all over the league, there's a lot of small guards, but I'm talking about Tracy six nine, Kobe six seven. Just then you can deal it with guys like bondsy Wells. You gotta deal with two two hundred and fifty pound bonds Wells every night, Rawn tests. You know what I'm saying, Like you dealt you dealt with some some animals on that wing. But I'm glad I went through that era because that's what made me to Matt. That's what made me the competition and and and being around all y'all and learning from all y'all. I'm competing with you every night. I think that's what made me because I wanted to be great. You know what I'm saying, you couldn't be no punk bro. Back then, if you was a punk, you was getting exploited dog And I'm sorry, on the court, if you back down in any type of way, you're getting exploited. Nowadays, you can see a guy that don't want to compete and they are kind of they kind of cover them up on the court and they want to explore them like we used to do. It's crazy because you know the team ATX, you know the Kobe's, you know the Ais, you know the Paul Pierces. But a guy like Stacker or around our test to get you just as fast. So when I think of two thousand's, I think of no nights talk and you had to guard your match up. You'll work with your guarding like you had a point guard. You had a guard point guard. If you're a two guard, you had a guard too, and the best guard the best every single night. So the competition level, to me, it was like a men's league. That's how I think it was a men's league. If grown man was going out of every single night, and we learned to be that. So yeah, it was absolutely unbelievable. Listen that era. I mean, we could talk about the obvious, right, the printer Perennial All Stars, but when you start looking at you know, the page of Sokovitch that you've got to guarden. Like, we're talking on some tough matchups. And for me, you know, I was guarding power Forward, so I was going small. For I was guarding two guards and point guards. Guarden Ai Guarden you know, Baron Davis, are you kidding me? Listen? Contino Mobley Man, come on, that was tough, bro, So question for both of you guys. Man gotta started with you. Who give me three of the best one on one players in the two thousand's outside of the obvious though, Matt, come on, we know you, we know outside the obvious. I just named one. Contino Mobile Cat Cat Cat was a problem, bro Right, I'm gonna give you all another one that was pretty tough. Monster mash Man, Monster Monster Mash was a problem. The brow and we're talking and we're talking not the obvious, so I put Monster Mash in there. And thirdly, I mean I ain't gonna get you that, bro, because that's what you do. Uh uh Stack, I'll throw you in there. You was a tough guard. You know. You know why you was a tough guard because I couldn't block the shot because you put that to it all the way behind your head in his slas hell, what is a piece with this game? Like it's like, oh ship, you know about this, but it was so slow bro throwing that thing while you yeah, you couldn't block it. I mean he talked once you have a swooning in the league, right, bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely did. He was really tough in Charlotte. You and you and Gerald what's what's buddy? Ain't Gerald Wallace y'all y'all was tough. It was that was toughing together in Charlotte. I'm gonna give you three. That's that's not like t mac kobe Ai, I'm gonna give you in not d way. I'm gonna give you three. I'm gonna go Gilbert Arenas tough. I'm gonna go with Baron tough, and I'm gonna go with Steve Francis because they had one shake where the whole side was clear for you had the whole side just clear for you and you on the island and Rudy letting drive them. So I'm gonna go with him. Three I had to guard in two thousand's what about your stuff? If I had to give you three and I can't name y'all. One I'm gonna go with because he got my respect. Brandon Roy Uh, I gotta go Brandon. Nah. He was a problem. Don He gave me problems. Dog. I would have to go to Karen. Buto was tough. Yeah, you know he wasn't just because the cross the type of guy, but he was just he just can get a bucket. Yeah, and somebody else who had one on one game but it wasn't flashy. But he got twenty two thousand points. And and they know I always talked about him on the show at Twin jameson Dog he had and got it done, a bucket done. He was a bucket But what you said, but would you say he's one on one though he was more of a garbage man. But he got buckets, right, That's what I'm saying. So and go to State he got buckets, and that they was going to him when he was in go to State. He was getting buckets fifty balls. A matter of fact, I think he I think he had. I think he had fifty back to back. He did, Yeah he did. It's the Lakers, he did. Yeah, he got buckets. And that's crazy because the man got twenty two thousand points. Bro, j got you got twenty thousand two, don't you. They robbed me, Mack, They robbed me. They took the last two years something you only need a four hundred eighty six points. But they got me. They got sick too. I was sick. I ain't gonna lie. I never talked about it. I was sick. I was four hundred and eighty six points from twenty thousand. I thought I was gonna hit it. They got your way got me and I could. I could have set on the bitch and played five minutes, give me three points a game. I'm gonna ease into this. They they got it from me. They got it. Yeah, yeah, reaching that twenties special, man, I didn't reach it. But you did everything else, averaging thirty two, seven and six and twenty three. But man, let me ask. I got back on my wall. That's a whole other story. Back and ask this, bro, because you've got so many signature moves, right, you got your hand drivel, you got the behind the back when you put it in front of their face. You got the off the backboard in the glass. Two part question one, what's your favorite signature move and to what signature moves do you like the others that's either playing now, I played in the past that you was like, oh that's nice. I ain't did that. There is nothing greater than it has and pull up, bro man, I stole that from you, greater than the heavy pull up. Everyone is using a heavy everybody because it's set sup other moves, right, And that's why I came up with it, because you just don't know if I'm a if I'm you know, rocking you to sleep, to cross you over or rock you to sleep and pull up on you a rocket to sleep, or keep it in my left hand and go by you or go between the like you. You just don't know. Like I created so many moves just out of the heasbant out of that. Yeah, and then what what what? What? What moves you like from other guys? Signature moves that you've seen over the years. Yeah, it is so many. You're a joint that you did going between you. Let you went like you did something crazy with the bulls one time when you do go behind the back, Like that's that's crazy in itself. He had he had one too when he went through the legs into a hot step. Yeah. Yeah, that was the one that was the one to come from speeding and to hit it. But it was more like like we kind of like bring the ball over your head or something. Yeah, exactly exactly picking up on the fly man. I was making up every daffer was pre stout Friday for me. I was just making it up as hey but stack stack little known story, little known story. I hit team Mac because we was tight, still our type, but we was tight. And I hit him like, yo, I want to get better. You're the best can I can work out with you? And he was so gracious, him and his family, and they let me stay in the house and everything. And as soon as I dropped, my bags were right in the gym and the old house, not the new house. Get the old house, the new one got a court too, the new okay, okay, okay. But I saw him Hangel, and I stole little handel from him and Kobe. I saw him and Kobe do it first, no doubt about it. And I was doing with the left hand, and when we were working out, Matt showed me how to do with the right hand. And the thing that struck me about Team Mat is if you watch him from a distance, you're like, damn, man, he scored so easy. Everything is so easy. He can go to sleep and average fifty before a game. The thing about I didn't know it's how hard he worked. This dude was working out three times a day. He's on the track at four in the morning, He's back in the gym at ten the morning, back in the way room at twill, backshoot at nighttime. And you would never know that. I ain't an live mac and I ain't never told you I thought it was gonna be some easy workouts. I really did. I said he's easy. I were still smooth from you. My man worked out so hard. I'm like, man, I'm dying over here. But because that his manner is and the person we know and his workout does not go together dog pulling this ship off the court. But this man had a super intense My man was obsessed. Bro like he was obsessed. I'm like, damn, okay, that's why he's as great as he is. It wasn't just the talent, it wasn't the guy given ability. He pushed it all the way to the limit with that guy giving ability, and that's why his team. Man. Yeah, now that's what it was. Man. It was for me in the off season because I never showed, like how I work workout. Y'all know me, man, I'm just laid back. I'm cool. I ain't all. I ain't all about the show. I don't care if you see I don't care if you think I work out or not. That doesn't matter, because that's what people were saying, like, Oh, he's lazy, he's this man, trust me. That's that's what I did in the off season. How how are you lazy it? How are you lazy? You don't work hard to be able to accomplish what I accomplished in my career? What do you say about What are you saying about those that do accomplish you know, uh, scoring titles and and take their team to to win championships and all these personal accolades that catch What are you saying about them just because you see it, right, because they show it to you. To me, it's just a slap in the face. How you spit on somebody? You know what I'm saying and you don't even know. We don't see what I do. But yet you want to put a label that I don't work hard. Bring your ass something over. Crazy. Come come on and work out with me. You'll see. Man, it was crazy. I couldn't believe it's that. I was there for a week. I cannot believe it. When when did you develop the hang joke with off? Did you have it in high school? I say my first year with the Magic. First first year with the Magic, That's when I developed because I was always a left or right crossover to I got right right, So I love to do the left and right crossover. But then I was like, oh, I start trying different things up there was damn bring you right into my shot, and it just felt comfortable. It's like, this is it, this is It's actually one of the most unguardable moves ever. It makes guys unguardable. When you see you see Kevin Durant right when you're seeing Code, you see Mac, you see myself. Kyrie is doing it like you think about I just said everybody from six and eleven and seven feet down. The six one is doing that move. They're putting it in there their teaching moments. Right. I'm teaching kids now, and I teach them to hang drible. So a lot of most respect to you for that, yes, sir, All right now, now let's get into this next seventy thousand's list. Man, let's get up. First. Up, we got your family yoke, your family member. Three year peak twenty six points per game, six rebounds with game, four assists per game, twenty five k career points, twenty second all time, eleven straight season's average of twenty of more, eight time All Star Rookie of the Year, two thousand all NBA half man half amazing, somebody who I was terrified of at nights. Vince Carter. Matt is like having front row seat to the Vince Carter showing to run. Man, let me tell you something, bro, he should have been the top seventy five, no doubt about both of them, both of ums. That no question. My second year in the league, Bro, this dude came in as a rookie and man, you like, I've seen this stuff in high school because I played on the junior team Florida and he was on the older team, so I played. I always played before him in the summertime, and I used to just sit in the stands and watch this cat. I can't believe my eyes what this high school dude doing. Like I thought I was good, but I'm like, oh, different of the gym. It's just it's a whole another level. I'm gonna tell you what y'all probably don't know. This man broke his right risk in the state finance, bro and dropped thirty five with the left hand. Mac. You know what that makes? You know what? It makes all the sense in the world because now he shoot left hand threes. That's where it came from. Oh, Bro, it's effortless. It looks just like he's right. That's talents. It was a highlight reel. Every game, it's a highlight reel. I couldn't believe this man and came and took the league by storm as a rookie like that. You know, I'm still trying to find my way. I'm sitting back out front Rose and I'm just loving every bit of it. Right top seventy five easy, both of y'all. They may be the only, maybe the only family members that should be in the top seventy five, but Jack not exactly. Ronald test three peak eighteen points per game, five rebounds, four sis per game two thousand four DEFENSI Player of the Year, youngest defensive player winner since Michael Jordan. Question for the group that's defender you guys ever faced Ron's up there, He's at the top of I don't have enough information to be like, well, Rod did a better job than this guy. He's on the list. Say he's definitely on the list. He's just it's long arms, strong hands. I figure run out very early because I used to sit there and try to dance with him, just play around with very early, very early. I can't play with this guy. No, you cannot. I cannot because he's not going for any of this, any of my face. Like it's like move whatever moved I try to put on him. He got that long, strong, gass left hand. He's just gonna stick that. Like if you try to cross over and then he's gonna put it on, He's gonna put it on you. You ain't gonna be able to move right right now. He was a problem. I had to figure him out early. Yeah, that's my brother down here. One time All Star to two thousand three, two thousand four All NBA two thousand ten, NBA Champion nine, two thousand All Rookie two thousand three, Defensive Player of yeard of course at four time All Defensive Team, A lot of a lot of stuff during the game, and being misunderstood kept him away from a lot of his accolades because Ron was definitely one of the best defenders in the league and one of the best two way players to ever played this game. Because if you know, if you know anything about Ron, I played with him and I've seen him dominate both sides of the game against some of the top teams in the league, and everybody knows that played the game. In our time, Ron was top ten player in the league the whole the whole time when he was locked in, he was top ten player in the league. If you guys go through it, y'all were the championship in d M, Yes, I think so, oh yeah, yeah, right yeah. Because with with with run, if they're seven games series, if you're a player you may have to in a possible efficient game, he's gonna he's gonna make you take twenty five shots to get twenty five points. Like you done about it like you probably would have been efficient to it in impossible in a seven game series. Yeah, YEA made it. Next up, we got Rashid Wallace just three year. Peak was eighteen points for game, eight reboundsable game sixteen k real points, FO Time All Star two thousand four, NBA Chap nine six All Rookie. But none of that can sum up who she Wallace was. Talk to his team mat probably the most talented big man out to see, Man, that you're saying something. Man, you're saying something, saying something. Probably most talented. I don't even know what else to add on that. Probably the most talented, skillful big man I've ever scene. Bro, he had it all. He had it all. And like I was talking about Vince shooting left hand, she was the same way, bro, the same way. Man. Look, I used to come, like going to Portland's to show the shoot around, and we'll come on the court and I'll see she coming off the court. She'd have on some sweatpants and some timsone. Yeah, this man just don't give a damn dog. Hec at all towards you said, my rookie year, we played Karen Malone, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett, Um, Tim Duncan and Rashid and we're on one of our West Coast trips, and I said, you know what, Jesus talented as any of them. It was unbelievable to see him in person, to see how afflets the game was, how easy it was. He wasn't even playing for numbers, none of that, Like he was just playing to win. And he was so cold, great team player cold. Next up, we got Chris Webber three or P twenty five points, eleven rebounds, five assists, seventeen thousand career points, five time All Star, five time All NBA Rookie of the Year, ninety nine t RB Champ four All Rookie Team in now newly crowned Hall of Famer. One of the most skilled bigs ever Fells without a doubt, I doubt about that, can shoot, passing, big man, very very uh smart basketball player. I mean Webb had it all too, Yeah he did. Hey man, it's eats to see Webb had seventeen K. But that makes me feel great about micro having thirteen, because Webb was a problem to see how dominant he was and how cool he was killing all that he was going to get them to top for us in the league, KG Tim duncan albra sheets and still doing work like like that. That that's had a lot of me about about him. He held us on in the time where the fourth spot was. He was in trouble every night. Dog, let me tell you something about what you ever see hands like George's head had what you have it? Bro see where I got the biggest hands? Bro, I thought I had some big hands. Man, that's why he got He got sub minutes, bro, go really duncing it right. And next up we got y'all mean. As you know your former teammate. Three years he was tweet one points per game, nine rebounds for game, two blocks, eight time All Star, five time All NBA, OH three All rookie. I was the first person to dunk on y'all mean a preseason when he came to the league. Yeah, that was me. I got the footage. But team Mack, if this tea Mack, if this dude wouldn't have been hurt. He's talking about how good he was. Man. I was highly skilled man seven five seven five. Fellas had less right hand, jump up and shoot the mid range eighty five percent, eighty eight percent free throw shooter, can pass the ball like y'all y'all had he had it all bro on the offensive vent was unguardable. Dwight Howard next up three year peak twenty points per game, fourteen rebounds per game, two and a half blocks per game, nineteen thousand career points and count. Only player ever to win Defensive Player of the Year three years in a row, eight time All Star, two time block Champ, eight time All NBA, five time All Defense, five time rebounding Champ, NBA Champ two thousand, four h five rookie, three time Defensive Player of the Year. Fellas Team MAC, you're in Orlando. You saw this up close and personal. How good was Dwight in his prime? And shouldn't be on the seventy five. But that's not top seventy five dollars. That's that's a whole book problem what we're talking about. Come on, Bro, they did, and then he was one of the people that I was talking about that was left off that list. That be a top seventy five. Go stop stopping the personal, personal attack, personal beast ye For eight years, this man the most dominant big man in the game, most dominant big man in the game. It's not even close, not even close. Stop playing with this man, bro. I get, you know, all the personal I get all the constractions and all that stuff when they came to basketball and the productivity what he gave Orlando for eight solid years. Let's top seventy five. Let's stop playing with him. Bro, Come on, man, ballot Hall of Famer. He should have been top seventy five. Y'all given robbing all this phrase. Man, Come on, man, man, I get upset. I get upset over stuff like that because all that the politics come to play, and that's all that's bullshit and you hate. One thing I hate is they always try to bring up the end, like what about the what about the first fifteen years is dude, then gave you. Don't try to bring up the end because you got something personal with the top seventy five easy. I had no respect for the people that left their man off the top severy five. Notice and a lot of them was players that was on that list that voted right, that's crazy crazy. Next up, Agent zero two of your peak twenty eight points per game, six assists for game four, rebounds for game three, time All Stars out in two Tis I was three most improved, three time All Star. About you, man, I don't like that doesn't really say who about you was, bro, because I know from playing against him and Tag you can you can probably get attest to us. This dude was a walking bucket. I'm talking about every night. And they can say what they want. But while he was in the league, he was basically unguardable too. It was unguardable. It was he was quick, he was strong, and he had a ratchet and he shot it and he shot it from anywhere, and if he got hot, just just prayed that your coach sent a double team. Yeah, you felt like he was in an island garden, Gil, you know what I mean. Like he was like Max said, he was fast, he was strong, he could get to the basket. He was a foul magnet. He was shooting three ft behind. He's shooting game winners, turned his back, putting his hands up like he knew what time it was. Mantel Jordan's thought, this is how we do it. He was just party straight like that. So to see Gil, you know, up close, he was so far ahead of his time because if he was doing what he's doing now, you could add thirty five thirty seven to what he was doing. The alread thirty he was unbelievable. That's a fat Gil in today's game. Oh my god, man, come up, it wouldn't be fat. He put up crazy now, but Gil for he'll probably hit that seventy point mark. He you know what he's he's he got every two in the in the in the arsenal to do it, that's for sure. Yeah, because he not only could he shoot, you know, how to create fives? Yeah? Yeah, he told me one game I was playing against him like wall every time the bonus just dry. They gotta tell you, Damn. I didn't think about that. I'm trying to get around and like now just running to him, I'm like, oh you you don't figure out all right? Gill told me that, Okay, okay, g Hill. Next time we got Chauncey billups three or peak seventeen points per game seven and sist three rebounds from three. That's crazy. Seventeen year pro, just under sixteen thousand career points, five time All Star, three time All nb A, two time All Defensive Player, two thousand four, NBA Champ two thousand three, two thousand four Finals MVP and somebody I know that team Mac loves. Because we were at his house, I asked him about big Shot. Tell us about big Shot taunt. Billis Matt my brother man. We played together in Toronto. I had what shot. Played with Chauncey when I was at my prime. We both was in our prime. He knows how to win. You're talking about a having a coach on the basketball court with you, you know, having you maneuver through challenging situations like Chauncey was such a cerebral basketball player and in such a great leader of men. Everywhere he went once he figured it out. Everywhere he went, he wont he won, right Uh, denver he won. He's just. He completely changes the complexity of of a basketball team. I had the opportunity to play with a big shot and just He was a coach on the floor. He was always a coach. He was always coaching and teaching. I loved his demeanor. No moment was too big. He was never too highed, too low. He always kept a center. I believe he was healthy. We won a championship with that Clippers team because his cerebralness there he respect that he demanded. You know, he was always himself, solid as they come. Still talk to him to this day, and I'm happy see him coaching, giving back the Nonson next generation. He's almost like a modern day Dave Willward with how their personalities are and how they played and how they were unflappable. So I love to see us two together now. Yeah, Big Shot was one of the point guards that everybody in league wanted to play with. Everybody and everybody looked up to, everybody respected, And I got a chance to play with him in the Big Three. One of the most solid dudes. Uh. And like I said, everybody saw the leader he was even though they wasn't on his team. You know what I'm saying, everybody, Dawn, I wish I had a point guard like that because he's gonna control the game. He kind of like Chris baul Hes gonna control the game, whatever team or whatever game he's playing, and he's gonna control the game. And that's one thing I respected about Big Shot. Here how I'm not even gonna say good, Here's how great Chaunce he is or was. Although we view him as a solid like a point guard, a true point guard, of being a facilitating leading the team to trolling the tempo if he needed to get thirty or forty, Yeah, he's gonna do it. He can do it. I've seen it first hand. We was beating ship out of Detroit right when I was with Orlando. My man took upon itself. Now I've been I've been a facilitator for these first four or five games. I need to start scoring forty thirty eight back to back like that. Yeah, let's not. Let's let's let's move on to his teammate, my classmate. Uh, somebody who I've seen do work for a long time. He had three year peaka twenty points per game for assist per game for a rebound, fourteen year pro, just under sixteen k career points, three time All Star two thousand four NBA Champ. A lot of players talk about how he was one of the most hardest players to guard. Uh, nobody was in shape like this, brother, we're talking about real Hamilton's the mask Mac. What you remember our match ups with the Mask Rip Rip City. The most conditioned player on the court. Yes, the man. I know he ran about eight miles to miles to the game. Slow down, bro, stop running off the each screen, bro, like like like, is it worth it is it worth it this shoot all this gas just to get to just just tell them to give you the ball so you can like we get a couple of dribbles in the ice and I can guard you that way. Oh, don't have me running through Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace to get your shot off. Bro, remember that play in my scalp though. I was at my scout when I heard a truth dress coming down across the You take rip this time, go Tashawn. Listen. Thank God for Tayshawn being on that team so I can go out and because chasing Rip down. Hey, d A, you gotta Bro, You and job y'all handle that assignment. Man, y'all got that, man. That's that's why. That's that's so impressive for a guy to move like that for forty two minutes a game a game right and think about what Step is doing right now right and still have the fisial seat to shoot the ball like that in the fourth quarter. Yeah, man, that's credible. And Step is shooting it from further right like Brief was running around getting tired during the midway range. That's doing it. Hey, give me in the condition drill, have me do three downy backs and shooting three outside. Ain't no way, no way, next man. We got their teammates. This is going down the Pistons line. Bill Wallace eight points per game, fourteen rebounds per game, three block shots are still and a half a game. One of the two players who won Defensive Player of the Year four times with Mountain Mottember four time All Star two thousand one, two thousand two, Block Champ, five time All NBA, four time Defensive Player of the Year or two times Rebounding Champ two thousand four NBA Champ, six time All Defensive Team Hall of Famer out of Virginia Union Fellas. We made him so good on defense. They say you can pull and plug you know, different guys, and the team would still go that that that same way. Not one Ben Wallace bro you took. You take Ben Walllace off that team and try to plug somebody else in. I don't give a damn who it is it. Don't move that train. Don't move the same way. At that particular time where Detroit was, you know, dominant in the Eastern Conference for what about four or five, five years, maybe even six years. I might be needing some out, but he was such a dominant force on the defensive. Being bro he was intimidating to some people. He was intimidating, you know, although being is probably six six six seven bout six six six seven man. He was a He was a great rint protector. He wasn't going to allow anything, you know, easy at the basket. He controlling the boards. He's setting me screens and he's gonna check his teammates. Ben was tough. It's only it's only one person that I really seen make Ben look like he was supposed to be out there, and that was Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan was giving him the blues. We're talking about the greatest for all time. I know, but it's gonna Hey, it's gonna tell somebody like Tim Duncan to do that to Ben Wallace, right, Yeah, as as a big man. As a big man, if you're a guard, a prayer to player, he don't want to shoot, he's gonna do all the dirty work, get all the blocks, three bounds and give you the ball and say screens. Make him always. I get some I get some dough to stay with me, Like, come on, man, you're gonna make me better. You make the team guard the shack one on one, Bro, Bro, think about it. He was on the offensive end, Bro, and they still competed for championships. He's a lot of thing. Yeah, it's all of favor. That's crazy. That shows his impact, shows his impact. Any big man that can guard shack one on one for a whole series. Man, you deserve it. Dog and win and win. Yeah, the chip though not not not the chip Dog come and go to check straight up pretty much. That's ultimate warrior man and come off. Man. Are we going through seventy people right now? No? Last one right here? This last Max, having fun with this, the last one. This is the last one, Matt. We're gonna finish up with Elton Brand. Three year peak twenty one, ten rebounds for game, two blocks for games just at the seventeen K points. It was eighteen and nine all of his first eight seasons. Two times All Star, nineteen ninety nine, two thousand, All Rookie, Rookie of the Year, Rookie, and All NBA two thousand five or six. B was a problem talking about eb Rec with eb is another cat with them, big mittens, bro, big hands, big body. Just he just knew how to play the game, and you know what I mean. He knew how to use his body to get his shot off, group on the boards, like he controlled the boards, like he long arms, like b was a problem. Like he was a twenty and ten dude. We had many of those. He was. He was in that class of a twenty and ten type guy and he was doing the rookie I came into Chicago right after his rookie year, and I remember the marketing department had a brand of soap and they said Elton brand, like it looked like it was tied. And he said, the brand you could depend on twenty and ten. He was getting twenty and the brand depend on twenty year regardless he was before the game. Now, he absolutely was a problem. People have no idea. He became a monster as well when he went to the Clippers before injury. Uh, he was just a problem with somebody that's underappreciated. And I talked about enough. Now that's real. You go ahead before the game even start, go ahead and put it on and ten in the books for real. Absolutely, Hey, that well, that's it, mana mac Man. We appreciate you for coming on man, working with us and giving your opinion on the forgot to say any five, Man, I feel like you should have been in the top seventy five dollar play against not just because you're my brother, because I know what you've done for the game, and when all his peers know he belonged in seventy five. Yeah, that Max wanted the coldest to ever touch your basketball. Like you talked about the hand drill or something he brought to the game, it will be felt fraternity because you can't be unguardable if you don't have the hand drill. Besides that, Mac is artist, and we're thankful for him, bro, because he's he's something different. I don't know if he knows how cold he truly is and was and everything he's doing O b L it's just as cold. So we're excited about Obo as well. Mac. I just love the game. Man, work my ass off, and you know it was God given talent. I just you know, put the work into and hence that. So I appreciate the compliments fellas you already know. And once again welcome. Welcome to Showtime Family Man, the O b L League. Welcome to Showtime Family Man. We're looking great, We're looking to be a part of it. Gonna be a great weekend in New York with the O B L League and also the Javante was Fight. So I'm looking forward to see you there, my boy. Yes, sir, Man, I see y'all this week. I appreciate fellas Matt. There were so many guys that we wanted to have on the Forgotten list for the two thousand's. Man, it's just we have time to go through all of them and a lot of guys that we want to show love to and give flowers to. Man, we appreciate your tuning in man, Jamal Man. Has been a great day, Bro. I love working, which I don't know how I get through it because you make me laugh so much. Bro. But you know what I'm saying. We give them what they want, don't we. Hey, every time, we can't disappointed because you know we did of the people, show time and pride. Baby. Closing thoughts, Lakers head coach search Juwan Howard declines the interview we got Darvin Ham, Kenny Atkinson, Terry Stotts, note Sterry stots Kenny Adkins and don't do it. Don't do it, Lakers, don't do it. Darvin Ham. Yeah, he deserves the opportunity. What you think about their coaching search, man, I think about Juwan Decline and says a lot, but I know he want to stay with his son at Michigan. That makes sense. But these other guys that are talking about just a whole bunch of other names out there, Bron know who they're going back to, the same recycled coaches. Yeah, my my vote be Darvin Him. I think as a player, he's an o G in the league. Somebody lebron a D and the rest of the crew russell those guys with respect. Uh, he's a champion. As an assistant, he's a champion, I believe. As a player with the Pistons, I think he just has a lot to give, a lot to bring to the table. I think he brings fresh energy and as you know, Jack looking at Willie Green, you know, looking at Monty Williams, looking at Tlucy, and these players become coaches and the way players look at them, I think bos well for the future. So if I'm them, I'm going d him. I'm going Darwin Him. He gets my vote to be a Lakers next head coach. Yeah, I think I think that would be good. And even Mark Jackson deserves another opportunity. Man, Absolutely, absolutely. I don't even understand why they keep recycling these same coaches, even with you know, we're not even talking about him, even with Charlotte. You know they're trying to bring in No forget who they're gonna say, stat, would you coach Charlotte? Let me ask you this, would you coach Charlotte? Will? I know you got time in Charlotte? If that's what I'm saying? Would you coach Charlotte? If they said stack, we gotta what your deal for you? Can you get us to the playoffs and beyond next year? Could you do it? I'm gonna say I'm of course, I'm gonna say yes. I'm not gonna say no, I couldn't do it. But you're a champion, jack I think you could do it. M J. What's up? How that's that? Honestly, dude, I would I would love the coach because I played there, you know what I mean? And right I believe myself do anything. But back to the Lakers, man, Zach Lavaine free agent? Um, what you think he's gonna do? Them all? If I had to bet one way or another, I would say he just not go back to Chicago. I think Zach is kind of where he's that. I haven't talked to him. I have no inside information, but just watching from afar, I think he may have you know, I'll grow in that situation a little bit. Yes, they have success, but I don't know. I just if I had to bet, just watching it, I would say he just not go back to Chicago. That a lot of people thinking that. Man. But two things Lakers, Darvin hamm is a good a good option, even Mark Jackson Charlotte. Don't hide Dan Phoni, Please don't hide Mike dann Poni. He is the worst thing you'll ever do. You see what he'd done it everywhere else, nothing but Zach. Do I want to see him on the Lakers or don't want to see him somewhere else with with with A, with a with a bigger role. But you want to see Jack I mean, he's electrifying, he's young, he's right in the middle of the prime of his career. What do you want to see? I think I want to see him with other stars. M that's a good point. I would love to see the other stars. I don't want to see him with a with a big role. Where he got to carry a team. I don't. I don't think, even though I think he could, I think with other stars, you get more out of him. That makes sense. He's electrifying, obviously. People are still learning about him. They learned about him with the Olympics. They learned about him in the playoffs this year. He was a little banged up obviously, But I'm with you. I would love to see him, uh with with more stars than just one. No disrespect to Devo the roles and he was unbelievable in the m VP conversation, but I would like to see him with with some younger stars and a few of them to kind of pair together. What's Brandon is available every week at Showtime Basketball YouTube and you can catch U on TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter. A show basketball Peace m HM.

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