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MATT AND STACK ON TALKIN' SMACK AND THEIR NBA EXPERIENCE

Published Dec 5, 2019, 5:49 PM

Matt and Stack talk about dealing with Kobe Bryant and his trash talk and the mental part of his game. Stack reflects on the 2003 Spurs team that knocked off the Lakers and ended their attempt at a 4th consecutive title. Matt talks about the high expectation of The Clippers Lob City team and how they fell short against The Rockets which led to the beginning of the Warriors run. Segue into the current Clippers and the job Doc Rivers is doing and the opportunity they have. Stack talks about returning to The Spurs and the tough loss to OKC.   

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Jamal Charlos says evils to be the king of the Jumala and kam Jamal Charlot versus Dennis Hogan for the middleweight championship on Showtime. Picture this late night. I'm riding down a dark street and it's two naked chicks, right, It's two naked chicks running down the street. One is the x Miss Universe, the other is ex Miss America. It's a dark night. They're running down the street naked. I don't know why I'm down the street, but I was smoking and I made a wrong turn. I stopped and can you help us? Help us? I'm like, fuck, yeah, help y'all. Y'all naked, y'all, big ass titis and ship get in going. Uh. I get to start the driving, I get the accident, Like what the wa y'are running from? You know, because you know, you see my fucker's running, you just start running too. So I just hit the gas, you know. But it's it's hard for me to not think that these motherfucker's neck it in the back seat, right, So why I'm driving, I'm getting the boner, right, So I'm trying to focus, you know, I don't know what they're running from. All I'm thinking now is I'm getting laid Okay, Damn what they're running from? Damn who gonna kill us? At least I'm gonna get one off when we die, right. So that's how I wanted to paint the story like that picture right there. Oh yeah, we could. We could have started the show with that ship the character right there. Uh. Episode seven, all the smoke, Welcome back, my bren in mine, what's up my brother? This episode, we're gonna go in depth into me and uh Jack's crazy journey through the NBA, tell some personal stories, some up, some downs, and uh, I hope you guys enjoy it. So today we're gonna talk about the last of a dying bree, which was trash talking in the NBA. Me and Jack caught the end of it. We missed the greats like Gary Payton and guys like that that really got in your face and really talk ship. Jack liked to talk ship. He got a big Matthew like to talk. I wasn't really someone that talked. I kind of ruled a retaliator. But um, you got a dope story about you and Kobe going at it and how your team ended their quest for a four peak. I was known to trash talk. You know, that's one one of my best assets, because not that's in times a guy gonna fighting the game, Okay, they don't want to fight. For all y'all to watch NBA games. Half of them guys do up a TV. They wouldn't throw a punch and wouldn't bust a graping the fruit fight. Okay, So do not think they want to fight us off a TV. So I knew that at times, and you know what I'm saying, I really pushed them, you know, push the envelope because I knew I was ready to go, but I knew that was so sometimes that got me eight to ten points just punking the motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. We used to pup motherfucker's that we believed that that's that's a part of the game. And we see that you're scared, we're gonna take advantage of it, right. So I used to do that to a lot of people, and I was I was always talking even want the trash talk Award the Big Three, which nothing, but I remember, you know, playing against Kobe Man. Kobe's to talk trash, but It's hard to kind of go back and forth with him, not only because he shoot a lot. He's making the motherfucker's and you don't get that many attempts. So I got I finally got a post up on him, you know, and I got the ball on the post. I'm backing them down, you know. I'm looking at them like little nigga, not for them, you know, I'm looking at him hitting with the shoulder. I turned around and shoot it. He just why whole arm off right the referee. I'm on the baseline the referee, So I turned look at the referee. Kobe takes off with the ball. I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm talking to the referee, arguing with him, and um, as I'm talking to the ref Kobe is saying something to me like you better pay attend you like you know what I'm saying all that because I started saying something to Kobe to about hacking as you know what I'm saying. So as I'm talking to referee, Kobe shoots like ten ft from the three point line net and gives me on the smug like look at me, and then the referee look at me like like he on Kobe side. You know what I'm saying, Kobe just run down the court just talking to me like I'm a kid, and next thing, you know, Pop this subbed me out of the game. So I'm on the sideline looking like I just a bump, you know what I mean, Like Kobe. Want one thing about Kobe, he gonna talk to you, and he gonna get every shot and you're not gonna get the same amount of attempts him. You know what I mean, Kobe. People don't know Kobe talk a lot of trash. Bro It might not be cursed words, might be nothing like that, but it's just what he gonna do to you. And he'll tell you before he do it, and he'll still do it. You're still doing you can do to stop. I mean, my ship too, was our ship was a little bit of back and forth talking that situation in Orlando with the ball fake, but it was more the grabbing the elbow. Win. I caught a tip dunk that he tried to block the white shot and he left me open and I went and tip junk and I was coming off the rim and motherfucker tried to elbow me in my nuts. So it just came to a point, like you said, where he found you right in front the refs, and the refs act like that motherfucking Ray Charles at the time, like bitch, you know you motherfucking saw that, right. So he came to a point in Orlando where he was doing all this dirty ship and I would get caught retaliating, So I gotta I got one t But it's bullshit, like you said, because you gotta do everything you can to stop him, knowing god, damn well, I know in my situation, he took like thirty shots that game, you know what I mean, Like six games to get thirty shots, you know what I mean. So it was tough, but badly him was always fun. But I used to tell people guarding him, he tries to mentally fuck you too, because physically, you know, there's not much you could do with him, but he tries to get that mental battle too, whether it's talking ship elbow and you getting you know, the pump faking you eighteen times and then you jump and he barely slit, you know, slides against you, and the ref cause of foul. So it was a motherfucking battle, just like I said. But that was my favorite whenever I played I was just like, hell, yeah, I get to play Code tonight. You know what I mean. And my whole thing is, you're not gonna start great offense with good defense regardless. You just want to make him work for everything. It difficult on make him work. You know, no easy no, no easy layups. You go to the basket and my father ship, I'm not giving you no easy layups. I'm gonna make you work for everything. And if you make, if you make, if you even know having thirty points, I want you to take thirty shots. You remember we go to State when we men and him was going back to back and three going in the game and we beat him. Yeah, you were talking to he was looking like man when he came out Tobody. He was hitting some crazy shots at the end of that game, sick. So you briefly touched on it. I mean amongst that ship talking and back and forth between you and Code, you guys ended their streak for four in a row in San Antonio. That's when you got your first rink. Yeah, I mean there was the dominant team. Nobody wanted to play the Lake because nobody then been dominant over the Spurs. Definitely Tim and Dave couldn't couldn't get over that hump. I know they won that bullshit championship of the Spurs did, but yeah, that short season, but the Lakers, they couldn't get past the Lakers that year. It was basically guaranteed that they was gonna win again. We had kind of struggled with them during a regular season because Kobe and Shock were just a little bit too much. But I think Tim had it in his mind no matter what, no matter who was on the court, I'm gonna be the best player from game one think the first game he had like a twenty and twenty like he was. That was his like standard the whole series, and he made it a point to guard Shock to the point where he was playing so well. Kevin Willis was coming off the off the bench, getting tip dunks and you know, blocking Shock shot, you know, so he I think just having Tim Duggan where his mind was, that was the only reason we was able to stop there for Pete, you know, and to see Kobe and Shocking them over there crying and you know, Derek fishing them over the crime. It was a good feeling, bro because that was my first year that I actually felt like I was in the league. You know what I'm saying, Like I belong and I had it, and you know, being on a on a chance to win a championship that was specially to stop them too, That's what's up. But you know it was crazy for me because I had always battle code, you know, even dating back to when he first came to l A. He used to come up to U C. L A and play and you know what I mean. But then to be able to, you know, have to someone that I looked up to so much and loved competing against, competing with it was amazing. And my first year there was we were going for their second three pet um, but I ended up tearing my meniscus. I want to say in February, I think that year, uh, and that's the year they that we got swept by Dallas and I think they beat Dallas beat Miami um in the in the finals. But like I said, getting a chance to play with him and seeing his day and day out preparation, um, how hard he worked on his game, getting up in the morning and hitting the track in the weights, and I mean, like it's still dark outside type ship like he was just I say, like an evil genius, you mean, like a beautiful mind. Like he was so obsessed with being the best, and but he put the work into so it was just amazing to be able to, you know, say that I battled to me against the second greatest player of all time. And then I was actually a teammate with him for a little while too. That ship was dope, man. Like I said, I learned a lot. He wasn't wasn't someone who was very like a vocal He was the leader, but he wasn't one of those yelling all the time vocally. That it was a situation when he spoke, you listened, and then he would just keep you that motherfucking look you know what I mean, or that I mean, you know, you gotta pass to him when he when he gives you his little mom but his like you know, he's open. But it was really it was just, you know, lead by example. If your best player is gonna go out there every single night and leave it all out there, there's no excuse for no one else not to. I didn't didn't get a chance to play with him, but I got just played with him when McDonald's All American game, and just his presence was was like it is now, the different energy when he walked in practice. As a sevent eight t old when he walked in practice, we all felt it like he was the next thing, the next big stag um, and he was that good. But it was just I was excited to be on his team in McDonald's game because I knew how, you know, the the ceiling they had for him, and should he reached all those expectations. Hell of a run, man. So we're talking about experiences, you know, and and and the game and and and our experiences, our history of the game, and talk about being on the wrong side of history. You were a part of a team that everybody thought was gonna be a championship team, even you know, the guys that was in the league that played against y'all just knew y'all was on your way to championship. Y'all were real close. Y'all were three one against the Rockets, and everything went downhill with the team y'all had tell me about that. That was an interesting series. That was our Live City team, very talented team, but for some reason or another, we just couldn't get over the hump. But we really felt like this two thousand and fifteen season was the year we beat San Antonio in a in a crazy back and forth seven game series. Just roster our rosters. Who was it? It was cp J J me Blake d J. We had big Baby off the bench, reigning six man Jamal Crawford hit Turkoloo Spencer has well, how did you off the church money? I don't know, man, but it was back to that. I think it was game game five. We were up a lot and they bench James. So we're thinking, ship, Okay, we're done. We're about to play the wards in the next round. But all of a sudden, they're bench led by Josh Smith. Beat the fucking breaks off us just hitting threes transition. They completely snatched the air at a at a stable center. James moving crazy crazy on his hitting threes. Duncan he just led the bench. Like I said, Ja, they had bench James. So we figured, okay, you know, I can't wait. We're gonna home and play Golden State to see who goes to the finals. And uh, they came back beat us in that game, game five, game six, in game seven, we didn't stay in the chance. Really, they just they handed it to us and like what change, Like I don't know, just that big word, that word momentum. It was just the momentum shifting. It was almost like there was nothing to do, nothing we could do to get it back. In Game seven, they closed it out, um and they were big guys up three one, and they came back and swept us. You mean, basically we were at three one and got sweat Which was crazy too because that's the year Golden State won their first championship. But if you take it back the year before that two thousand and four team, we were the last team and knocked them out, you know what I mean. We knew they were going to be something to reckon with. We just you know, still thought we had the upper hand on them. So everyone was expecting that Clippers Golden State Western Conference Finals and you know, the winner was going to play Lebron Houston took him that too. They battled, They definitely battled, you know what I mean. But you know, Golden State got over the hump and then uh, you know, that was the beginning of their run. But definitely just to missed opportunity with that Lobs City team as a whole. It was the locker room like after was walking to locker. I know everybody was sick, sick, dad lost your dog. It was it was girl friend found your bad phone. Oh that's film. That's a horrible that's man like when you see the lights in your review from the cop and your your motherfucking stomach just goes to the bottom of your stuff so you can't. Oh man, that's the hell of a feeling. Bro. I had to swallow one one time. It wasn't that big, but had to. Yeah. I mean it's like it's like it's just tasted, disgusting tasting. But anyway, Yeah, like I said, it was just a missed opportunity for that team. We felt like we had so much talent, but that I just really feel our weakness, our kryptonite wasn't was ourselves. You know, we kept getting in our way. You know, some guys butted heads and and the chemistry wasn't what it should be. But when the chemistry was on, it was magical. But was crazy. What tripped me out about that team is we were so close off the court, Like we all can't think having a coach's son on the team had anything to do with it. I mean, that was an interesting experience dynamic to have him come to the team. But he played well for us, to be honest with you, he played if well forced in the playoffs. I think it was a little interesting for him to get there. You know what I mean for a father's son dynamic, because I know a lot of us on the team we're pulling for Nate Robinson to get signed um and they ultimately you know, wanted to at that time. If you wait the Austin was already on the team, but we were trying to get Nate because I'm saying as players, if you look at them, Nate come on, Nate by far. But like I said, Austin came in and play well, and I kind of think that's when he put himself on the map. But I definitely think if there was a little bit of awkwardness um when he first came. But you know, with any situation, I'm sure father's son would be awkward. Like as much as I love my son, I wouldn't say I wouldn't give him the opportunity, but I would rather them earn it. Yeah, I'm not saying Austin don't deserve to be an NBA. What I'm saying is I know his daddy game is a big contract. So you know what I'm saying, I'm I'm not saying if I was in that position, I probably would too, but I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't want to have my players look at me a different way. I think I'm sure I'm doing you know what. It was just about winning and keep one. There was an awkwardness, you know what I mean. And that's back when you know Doc had a lot of the power, you know what I mean, If I wasn't if I'm not mistaken, he was like president GM and head coach, you know what I mean. So that's a lot of different hats to wear. And I'm gonna sign my son third got That was really kind of the unrattling of that team, you know what I mean. I got into him with that season. So I was motherfucking traded at twelve oh one in the a M. East Coast time. I was the first trade, um, you know, and then the pieces just started falling. I think j J left next, then Jamal left, cool JJS. Cool J was someone I didn't like until I play with and that I love JJ. He's the reason that I did. I tell you this. He's the reason why why I got rid of all my ice style watches. Was he because he came in there one day, would have watched just playing looking watch and it was one of the most expensive watches, one of the most nicest watch ever, and he told me what my watch was really worth. I stopped wearing. I stop watches. He respectfully just shot on your watch, shut me down, laughing at me, you know what I'm saying, but giving me a game at the same time, shout out j just cooler ship. But I just think there was you know, and when I talked to guys on their way out, you know, there was just a lot of grumbling, and like I said, I think it had a lot to do with all the hats Doc was wearing. But I think that's where, you know, they're back on top now with you know, with the chance to win a championship. And I think it's good because now they have management in place and gems and play some presidents in place, and Doc can do what he does best. Doc is a great coach, some hell of assistant coaches around, the great supporting cast, but just a great motivator. You know, a coach that's been a player and had a successful career in as a player. So he understands us and understands what's more important, and he understands that the games are more important than practice. And he really caters to his guys, and he's big on sleep. So Doc hands yeah, dr doct yeah hands so uh but just see, I definitely just a missed opportunity. I feel that was like kind of my one. Damn, what the funk are we thinking? Like when I look back on my career, there's no way that we shouldn't have won at least one championship with that team. So round to your second go round with the Spurs first. When you win the championship, contract negotiations don't go how you want them to go. You choose to keep it pushing. Get traded back there. In two thousand and twelve from Milwaukee up to one. We have to one against Okay, up too, oh against Okay. See, let you tell it. Tony Park was going for m v P. Yeah, I mean you know, things were going smooth. We were playing together the first two games of that series. Um, we're at San Antonio, we go up to Oh, everybody's happy. Uh, I think me and Kauai. We're playing decent defense on Katie and James. You know, we were kind of holding them down. Ship just went south. We get we get to game three and Tony Parker basically stopped trusting us. He was making real late passes and give James hard and credit. He just turned it up. He went crazy, you know, he went crazy in some games, and Katie was solid that. Katie was the best player, you know, on the floor almost every night. But we took him to game six after after they won three in a row. We in game six and you can listen to the announcers, Tony Parker has Stephen Jackson wide open. Tony Parker miss Stephen Jackson again, like it's so obvious. During the course of the the year, you hear announced to say this, like I knew it, but people didn't. People didn't want to address Tony looking me off. So well, I mean, what happened, you know, I mean what what what was the disconnect with Well? I think I just think he became real selfish. You know, Um, Tim was slowing down. He felt like he had to do more, but that wasn't the case. You nobody was still good. You had Kauai coming into his own. I was still be able to knock downshot. So I think he stopped trusting us, you know. I I even remember after game six, I'm sitting on the floor man Kauai, sitting side by side, and Tim came put his hand on over because you know, we played our ass off and they know that Tony was forcing ship. And I can show you on film. You know what I'm saying. It's it's it's right, it's documented. But I remember setting the locker room and and Pop came in locker room and put his hand on on my should when men come over swire days, like we did everything we could. We just didn't trust each other. He didn't want to say Tony didn't trust us. We that's you know what I'm saying. But we all knew when he said that. We all knew, you know what I mean. And I could have had another championship. I could have had another another championship. Man. That year, we was two games away from making it to the finals, and we was gonna win that ship. So okay. So he eventually lost to Miami right in the finals. Yeah, okay. So following season two thousand, thirteen, fifty five games in the season right before really not playing. He throw me in their garbage minutes and you know, throwing me in and out, you know, and what what people don't know, Matt and you know this, And they was doing this to Carmelo. I'm not saying I'm on Carmelo level, but scores and guys that play off rhythm and stuff. You can't throw them in four minutes in the third quarter and expect him to do an instant spark. You can't throw them in two minutes in the fourth quarter to expect them to throw an instant spark like always be ready and expect him to come out and play. Well, that's the situations they throw you in to make you look like k play. This is what they did Mellow and got him out the way. So Papa was doing that to me the whole season. You know, he'll throw me in there. You know, I never know when I'm gonna play, you know. And it was different from the year before. You know, I just came off playing well on the finals and the West Corfence Finals. So he was doing that all year and I didn't understand, you know why I wasn't just getting an opportunity to play. I was playing great and practice. I was busting my teammates ass and practice. You know what I'm saying. You can ask Kauai. They'll tell you. I had no reason not to be playing the way he was playing. Man, the spracery was playing me. I couldn't play my best best basketball because I was I'm a really guy, you know what I mean, And it didn't look good for a while. Who were you playing behind at the time. That was a young Kauai, Danny Green and back. I'm playing behind all of them. I remember you hit me on the bus where he was in New Orleans and I've seen you and just got released. I'm like, what the fun the playoffs? Yeah, you know that ship was crazy. Man. I remember coming out of practice. I had a great practice. You know how I practice. If I hit a three on somebody, bitch, you know what I'm saying, But it ain't personal. You know what I'm saying, Get your grass up, That's how I'm talking. I'm probably the only person in Spurs history that practice like that. You know, maybe Mario Elio or somebody like that. You know what I'm saying. But I'm the only one in Spurs history that practice like that Tim was. Tim loved it. Tim Duncan loved it. He loved the way I played and all that. You know what I'm saying. It's scared people. At the time we had a point going on team. His last name was the Coola. He loved me, you know what I mean. But I hit a shot on him for for game win at practice like get a bit and pop like I saw that. He didn't say nothing, but I saw his face like come on, Jack, like, but this is how I played. I wasn't playing much, so my games was practices, you know what I mean. And it's just how I played. So I'm walking in the locker room. You know, I remember having I'm having a great I'm feeling good. You know, Tim coming and mask like great practice. And as I'm in the locker room, one of the trainers coming like Pop want to talk to you in the film room. That's like getting called to the principles. But I'm not feeling that. I'm thinking he's Ben telling me great practice is going. I'm gonna play like get your ship together, you know what I'm saying. That's what I'm thinking. I go in there soon as I going, I see his face killed my whole moved. I want to just kick him in his face. When I saw his face, I just wanted to kick the ship out of him because I know this is not gonna go how I expect to you I expected to I sit down. He he had play on the film scram. He got all the highlights of me fucking up in the last three or four games. My worst possessions, Jackie. He was throwing you in and out and you didn't have no Yeah, he found my worst possessions of life. He probably found him when I was four years old, the worst possessions ever and played him on the tape from me and was like, Jackie, have been playing well the I know you had a great practice today. I want to bring um, Danny Green and the Genova the rest is guys in and I want you to admit that these guys are better than you because I'm gonna play. I'm going to the playoffs. He brought them in the office. He brought me in there and told me he was going to bring them in there. In there for me to say that. This one thing about Pop the smartest coach I've ever played for. He's calculated. Everything he does is calculated. I know this guy. I respect him too much, you know what I mean. I can never say nothing bad about him. He gave him my opportunity to win all that stuff. I love Pop. He was like a father to me those years I was in San Antonio. But he knew what my response is gonna be before he asked me that question. So when he told me to, he was gonna bring the team, and he wanted me to admit that Danny Green and Janota was better than me in front of the whole team to help their compass going to the playoffs. I looked at him, I said, Pop, you know I ain't gonna say that. You might as well give me the rest of my money. I'm getting the up out of here, and I got up and walked out. Now listen, I got up and walked out. As I walked out, Tim, I see tim on on the table and he was like, Jack, what's going on? Like they don't wear about the Hilight you later? You know what I'm saying as I walked up. So this is how I always say. I know how pop smart Pop is and I know that everything he does is calculated. As I'm at home going to the house, I get a call from team Matt t Mac flying and don't ask me, well, what's going on? Something? He's flying in San Antonio, flying him in. He coming in right now, so that already was bringing team back in. So he was trying to set up. Oh wait, so he wanted me. He wanted me to set myself up by saying that in front of the team yourself, right, you know what I'm saying. And but but like I said, Pop knew the relationship we had. He had so much love for me. He couldn't come to terms just saying, Jack, I gotta release you. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't think the relationship we have, I don't. I don't think he wanted to do that. And that's why he tried to. He put me in that position because he knew I was gonna cut myself. No, I ain't saying but i'n't not to this day, Deantay, Why to till this day? I ain't saying nobody better than me. You gotta prove it. You know what I'm saying. And it ended bad, It into bad, and they end up losing the Miami. That's good for their ass because I would have got that rebound, you know what I'm saying, in the way I feel about real and I would have made sure I locked this ass up, you know what I mean. So, but you know, should happened for a reason. I don't think. I don't even think they played really gets game. Team make a chance to see what he can do. I remember that he did. He was in and out briefly, but it was fucked up, you know what I'm saying, because I was and then he did that well, I couldn't sign with another NBA team, you know, right for the playoffs where so he didn't want me to come back to huntum. And I don't blame h because that's what was gonna happen. I was gonna come back and bust his ass and he knew that, you know what I mean. But it was just funked up how it happened. And that and I never played an NBA after that. It's a cold business because that the business of the business behind the scenes is dirty, you know what I mean. And then it almost without knowing the whole story. You know, Pop is what he is. You know, are going to be arguably one of the greatest coaches, if not the greatest coaches ever. So if you can't make it work with people, really start thinking you're a problem, you know what I mean. So then, like you said, after that, you never played in the NBA again. Yeah, that little bullshit there with a month, a couple of weeks with the with the clips and that was it. But anytime you get cut right before the playoffs, that looks bad to every team, you know what I'm saying. That looks bad to every team. And to be cut from the Spurs right before the playoffs, you know what I'm saying. And and and I think Matt, that's what hurt me more than anything, the relationship me and Pop had, Like as smart as he is, this is ruining me. Pop, Like, regardless of how you feel about what you're trying to do to win games, this is sucking up my career, you know what I mean. I don't think he ever thought about that, you know what I'm saying. But I but I I heard somebody asked him about and he said he regret how he handled that, you know what I'm saying, which which I respect, because you know, I had a lot of game left, you know, I had to go punish the Big three the next couple of years, because you know, if POP say you don't belong in the lead, trust me, a lot of teams can be like you don't belong in the league. It's tough, tough way to go out for my career. I mean, we've had, like I said, a very similar pass um. I bounced around until I really felt like you know, there was one particular situation where I felt like, Okay, damn, I've arrived. I'm an NBA player. I'm here to stay. You touched on that early on and in your your running for the finals with San Antonio the first time in two thousand and three, What was that moment where you felt like, Okay, fuck, I'm here, I'm here to stay. Let's set up shop. When we landed in Seattle, I had my family, A big part of my family is in Seattle, and they had I think I said, not to cut you off. I missed the NBA's nose how he used to love. But remember did we go? Did we play Seattle? Remember my family restaurant, Cafish Corner that took the team too. So the that day was my first time meeting my family. When I was playing with San Antonio and the NBA and I had him come to the game. I was having him come to the game, so I brought the whole team that David Robinson went eight the day before the game. The two weeks after that, I've been playing well. I was coming off the bench. I was playing well. I was averaging like Ship sixteen seventeen off the bench, and Papa starting to play me more and more and more. This is one reason why I love Pop because this opportunity that he gave me. We go to shoot around and the next and we go back to the hotel to shoot around and Pop caused me up to his room. You know, it's the principal office feeling. I had went out the night before and got into some ship with Rochard Lewis. Well, we end up getting to a little fight at the club and it never hit the media. Shout out to Sean Lewis. We did some crazy ship at night for social media though, hey social media, no listen if social media was there. And the ship we did that night, we was in jail. We was in jail. We was in jail. We were squadding that night. So I'm automatically thinking this thing came out right. So I didn't hear nothing that shooting around. But when I got me, I get back to my room, he called me to us room. So this automatical what I'm thinking about. I get to his room. Tim in there something ship. But tim tim whole vibe was, you know, wolf Pack all ship he'd be doing. We played paintball together. We have a team called with the wolf Pack, so he's doing his little wolf pack ship. So that kind of you know, helped me. I live. So when I sit down, Pop, like, you didn't do nothing wrong because I'm sitting there, like you always feel guilty what I don't? Black man, we pet guilty all the time, you know what I mean. Asked me why I don't skate because ship. I've been skating with the Nce my whole life. You know what I'm saying. But I sit down probably like Jackie, all right, you know you didn't do nothing. He's like, you've been playing well. I talked to him, I think it's time that we start you. We're gonna put you and start lineup. Who was starting at the time, Steve Smith O G Steve Smith and at the time he was my big brother, like he was everything to me on that team, taught me everything. He showed me how to get loose for the game, how to dress west suit, how to be a professional, everything about how to how to pre game. Everything. He taught me everything. And him and his wife at the time, you know, that was my third year in the league, so him and his wife were like my big brother and big sister. They used to vipe me over the cook for me and all kind of stuff, make sure I have stuff at the house. When he told me that, I was excited. But my whole time thing is, damn, I'm gonna tell the o g to you know what I'm saying, and took his spot. That's not my intentions. But I'm you know, I'm just trying to play. I'm just trying to hoot. So when he tells me, I'm it's a bit of sweet feeling. So um, I'm excited. But when I get to the game, you know we're talking about feeling like I belong. When I get to the game, I walk in the locker room and I see Steve Smith as I locked us right by to all the time, and I'm trying to sneak bying. So because I don't want to address it, you know what I'm saying, and he felt it because Noman, I mean, what's up? You know what I'm saying. So as I was sneaking bying, he turned around like he's like young Fellers. We call me young Feller. The same personal between me and you. Go out there, do what you've been doing, the same personal between you. We know what's going on. I'm rooting for you. I'm your biggest fan, just like you've been mine. That's what that gave me the feeling like I belong Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like now I'm I'm gonna start, Especially someone like Steve Smith gave me the okay I belonged, telling me he's like, you've been playing well, you deserve to be starting at that moment. You know what I'm saying, Okay, I belong here. You know what I'm saying. And I owe that to Steve Smith. That's what's up. My situation was. I mean, I bounced around um team. The team didn't get a chance to really play. Do you remember how many teams you tried that you got a job too. It was only two. I didn't get my like myself, So my second round draft pick drafted, traded draft day, so I'm traded. I drafted in Memphis, traded to Cleveland. John Lucas, the head coach, didn't really get a chance cut early on in the process, go to the D League for the whole year, grind running to another coach's son's position. I get hurt the coach of son takes my spot. So then I'm spotting playing in the D League. So I'm not doing the D League ship again. So then I go to this a b ah, We're playing my games in Mexico and all kinds of ship. And uh, that's when I actually played with Dennis Romin for like two weeks. How was that I only got to play with I didn't get a chance to funk with Bro like I wanted to. But you know that, I get caught up to the Clippers have a cooler to run. Start playing on a ten day get to ten days. I'm signed. But this is right at the beginning when Sacramento and the King Sacramento Kings versus of Lakers is like a big rivalry. So I'm always going home in the summer fucking C Webb and Jay Will and working out with these dudes. I'm just like, fuck, I would be working out of Arcole the whole summer, and then Rick Adaman is just like, you know what you got going on? It's like it's kind of up in the air. I knew we were talking to going back to the Clippers for a two year deal, but I was like, shot, if I can go home and play with my hometown team, why they're dope, It's a no brainer. So I end up signing dealing sack Uh. Season doesn't start off the way it's supposed to. They ended up trading Chris Webber and I was just a throwing So I go to Webb to Philly two and a half years, don't really get a chance to play. It's when I run into punk As Moe Cheeks and have all this built up fire and hostility just because I haven't got a chance to play. I think there's so many people that just don't get a chance to play and they get washed out the league. So I'm coming into the two thousand sixth season working out for football in the summertime because my brother played football, still working out basketball, but like fucking I'm gonna try to make a jump to the NFL. We had lined up some NFL tryouts um for me if this basketball thing didn't work, then bar Davis hits me like, Yo, we're we got open gym down here in Oakland today if you want to playoffs in Sacramento. So you know, just happened to drive down, made that little push down to the bay playing this open gym um play well, not knowing that Nelly was upstairs and watched us. So when we're done, Nelly comes down, puts his arm around me, like, hey, you know what you got going on? Where you're going to camp at this day. I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a job, and he's just like, okay, well, I can't promise you anything. You know, we got sixteen guarantees already, were gonna hate a few people to come to camp just to fill out the roster. Then I can't promise you a spot, but if you play like you played today, I'm gonna give you a chance. So I'm like, okay, So this is the first time a coach has had that like enough time to even talk to me, really recognized me. But it almost sounded, you know, he just gave me that little bit of convince that I needed. So I go into camp do what I gotta do. They end up cutting two dudes, cut the dudes they just brought to camp, and I make the team. So I start off on the bench and kind of work my way into playing and then playing a lot. And there was a little run there. I got hot. I had like two or three games in a row where I was over twenty if I'm not mistaken. And we come down in one city and you know how much Nelly smoked. I didn't have a sweatch, and it was cold. Nellie tried to give me his dusty ass jacket and smelled like a pound of motherfucking cigars, and I'm like, I'm cool, but he almost like bullied me into wearing it, you know what I mean. So I sat there and just wore his a little uh nasty as a little smoke jacket. But it was it was like right there, like this is the first time that the coach is like fucking with me and really giving me intention and showing that he believed in me. And that little bit of confidence was all I needed, you know. And then shortly after that is when you guys got traded to our team. You know, I knew I had another smoking buddy. And you know, we made history and that three two and a half months span, but that's really after you know, almost bouncing around four four to five seasons. That's where I knew it. I was like, okay, and you know that's when we made this We Believe run. Uh. You know, I'm starting to become a household name. You couldn't tell us that even though it was only the first round, we didn't win, felt like we won the championship and we was. But you know what the crazy part was was it was a bitter sweet situation with Nelly because in similar with you with Pop, Like even though they really gave us our first opportunity, they took it from us too. They took it from us too, and people don't know, like my ship was sucked up. So I come off this We Believe seasons. So basically I was about to be out the NBA. Nelly gives me a chance play. Well, so I started hearing, Okay, hey man, you're about to get this twenty thirty million dollar contract. You know you need to get a bigger name. Agents are fire made. I'm just listening to all the hype. Fire my agent whatever, get a different agent. I heard there was a deal that he dropped the ball on. So then it comes back to where Nelly is offering me a three year, twelve million dollar deal. So I'm just thinking, like, damn, that's low. You know how you was thinking Pop offered you to three year nine million. I'm just like, after what I did, and you know how Lett, now I finally get a chance to play, like I know I could be making more. So I ultimately turned that deal down, and the rest of free agency is getting watered down and the money's drying up. So then I end up taking a one year, four million dollar offer. Looking back on it after the fact, I saw it a lot clearly, but at the time, I'm just like, I'm looking at it, It's just give me this one year deal. I'm an audition and then I'm gonna get a big payday. Not knowing that that next season is when my mom died right at the beginning of season the two that that following the week Belisee and she died diagnosed with cancer Nomber for first dies November only seven, So within the first twenty six days of the season, my mom died. So my season is shot. But I what I remember was, you know, just trying to get that magic back, and you guys were there helping me, trying to gas me up and get me going, and like nothing was happening. So I remember, I kind of started feeling better, was practicing better. Nellie pulls me to the side out in the back where he used to smoke in the parking lot and tells me straight to my face. I respected it, but I wanted to knock his old ass out. He said, I'm glad you're just signed your long term deal here. Your time here is up. And I'm like, hold up, motherfucker. I just battled through all this ship. You know, my mom just died. I played the day after my mom died, and you got the motherfucking audacity to tell me that my time up is here. So I mean, I'm just thinking all this ship in my head. I shook my head and said okay, and that motherfucker's stuck to his word. Didn't play me at all anymore. And that was kind of that was kind of like the end of my run in my seat. And so although I owe a lot to Nelly initially because he gave me my opportunity, he also snatched that shift right from underneath me too at the same time and similar in your situation. He traded me too, though. It's just funny how he trade you though. Knocked on my door Milwaukee, knocked on my door. Smoke of a cig or I would a beer earlier the morning. Jack, How you doing this morning? Don't even come in my room. You don't want to be here. You want to send you to Charlotte. All right, stay in touch my body, hate me a hug and all that. Just walked off like you were like you were like his favorite. Though. My god, you negotiated your own contract with him? Yes, I did tell me about that. Well, well, it wasn't with him, it was with Bobby. Yeah, I was had two years left on my contract. Um, I think I'm probably the only person to negotiate a three year extension with no college education, barely a high school education, barely a high school education. Do I did they get my diploma? Like about from high school? I did? I mean, I'm after I'm a fact checking to that. Yeah. Um, but what was I talking about? Getting your own contract work? So I Bobby, Well, actually shout out to Nita. Nita preps me, that's the homer, So she preps she took, you know, because I didn't want to get no agent. And she like, you know, I need to, like need to really believe in me. Bro, Like she helped me do a lot of stuff when I was there, and my mom and her are still good friends. She's like, you don't even know Asian. You can represent yourself. You know what you're worth. Can't nobody tell you what you're worth better than you? Like it kind of makes sense, neither. Like, all you gotta do is show your numbers, your stats, and compare them to what everybody else making the their stats, and just see what he's saying. It's just a conversation. Take him to dinner, you know, we have a conversation with drinking a little bit, and I do exactly what she saved. Bro. Slide the status sheet. I slide the status sheet to him. All the players in my stats, I'm at the top, Mike read and all them my stats, killing theirs, making dubs, they make a twenty you know what I mean. I'm like, I just want ten I just want ten to years. I want three years, thirty minute, that's all I want. You see what I'm doing, It's only fact, it's only right. I got two years left on my deal. So I'm just at the crap table shooting you got it, Jack, You got it, Bro, I'm talking about But as soon as he said, I'm texting Needle. We got it. We got it. We got on the phone and I couldn't believe it, Bro. But for what we've done for that year, I think we all deserved something, you know what I'm saying. We had all this and I was the last one there, me and Monte. He was the last one, you know what I'm saying. And he saw how I was filling with all y'all leaving, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's but that's when I told him I wanted to get traded right after, right after when Steph came. And Monte didn't like it either, you know what I'm saying. But if I would have my dumbass, if I had known this Chef Curry, I would have stayed then, you know what I'm saying, whatever fuck I wish I would have known Chef Curry was gonna be Chef Curry. Bro. But shout out to Nita again, Man, I was I was able to negotiate. I just had confidence to sit down with him and negotiate the contract. But the same GM, the Bobby that gave me my contract lied on me too a year later to Monte. Yeah, and and and our relationship ain't been the same since. No years has passed. You know, we go back a lot to go to State for the games, and somebody that still works in the organization told me that Bobby told him that I told him how he hurt his ankle. Oh, how he was on this really when I left by that, and our relationship has never been the same. Yeah, weak, asked Bobby. You know what I'm saying like that, that that ship was weak, that ship was where he was doing that because he was mad because I actually get traded after I got the extension. So that's what his way is getting. I'm like, that's bullshit, you know what I mean. Would be a dope shout out, Monte. I love you, bro, a little homie, little brother. He didn't have no tattoos. One night we got to Sacramento. Remember we was up in there getting blown and I had my tattoo artists come in and put nothing. I have my tattooed artists tattoo this same tattoo and the same Remember how much he was sweating when he getting in there, drinking, smoking, laughing. He was in there sweating like a motherfucker. He came back the next seasons bat chest everything like he just went in. He got more tattoos and all of young Monte. But you know, I think it would be dope. Is the behind like stories like this, like every our fans only get to see, you know, the finished product so and so science for this so and so science feather. They don't know the ins and outs of the other deals that failed, that the agents sunk up, that the GM lies on you, they cut you, they trade you. Like I said, they only see the bottom line of ESPN. So and so signed here. But I think it would be a dope if we can get like a collection of like crazy ass cut stories, trade stories, contract funk ups like the real stories. But since we own this, go to state, we got to do that. We believe. We definitely gotta do what we believe. We get all of us in here and talk about story. You gotta fly me Jack, Who else do we need to go? Me? You Monte al Baron to Mauie j Rich Ja Rich to Mauie to sit down on Nellie's uh cannabis farm. Mai got MAUI Wowie wowe. It's called Nellie Cush And we gotta go out there and tell this. We believe story man, because when we tell y'all legendary nights. He invited us out. He wants to come and try this product, and that would be the perfect time to talk about old memories. Him and I'll have some stuff to hash. Yeah, I didn't like him, you know what I mean. It was a fallout with a couple of us. Wouldn't you be mad if he had you guarding yea? Yeah, I mean we were small ball. I was our biggest dude, Like me and you were playing the four or five at time, like there's no way we're six eight, Like we found a way to slow down Dirk. But motherfucking y'all was seven. What it was, It was a game with me and you was guarding o'core and boozing. Yeah, the four or five out both of them dudes outweighs by sixty pounds, and we still had our own their motherfucking rest cheated ya. I gotta guard us too, though, straight up? All right, man, that's a rap. Episode seven. All the smoke with my brother jack Man. Stay tuned, man. We got a hell of a lineup coming for y'all in December. Got some uh NBA legends coming through and some other creative people in the space that we're really excited to bring you, man, So thank you for tuning. In May, you can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube channel and all platforms streaming, podcast, All up? How many? All up? We'll see y'all later. Peace. Jamal Charlo says he wants to be the king of the jungle. It's no way you can take my lion and that's me And well how the ruggle for Jamal Charlo versus Dennis Hogan for the middleweight championship on Showtime mcals as

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