Man, welcome back all the smoke with this guy right here, my guy, what episode of this We'll figure that out later sometime. We got one of the young up and coming rising stars in the Gang, Jalen Brown. Man. Appreciate you coming through, appreciate fresh fresh off that new contract. Man, how so year four and you signed a hundred fifteen millions O the deal. Tell me what that's light, coming from a single parent home to being pretty much financially stable for the rest of your life for you and your family. Tell what that's like. It's a blessing for sure, just to be able to have a stability and stuff like that. Just to be able to look at my mom and eyes and be like, be good. Um So that's a great feeling. Um. But for me, I'm still just working. I'm just trying to keep going and build them. You've got more d hundred million dollar contracts, have signed off on anything you bought for your mom, for yourself. With that first big deal, I got my mom a w of course, to be honest, I didn't even get myself a whip. You and I'm still trying to figure out what I'm gonna get. Okay, I got I took care of mom's first. I ain't really got nothing too crazy for myself, to be honest. When I first got to the league, my first like little flex was like a piano. I got like a mini I know you now, I wanted, always wanted to learn, but we couldn't afford piano lessons growing up. The first my first little flex, like I didn't get a car. I got like a grand piano and put it in my out. I mean that's a different direction, but I mean that's kind of what I'm I'm learning about you. I'm a fanily your game, but I'm learning like you're kind of outside the box with things. You know what I mean, You're you're you're very in the tech, You're very I heard you want to learn several different languages. Where does your thirst for education come from? I would say with the O G my mom my upbringing. You know my mom, she she not only she had two degrees, but she was like the realist person. I knew like she had to do both roles. But at the same time she was in school, same time, like she wrote a job, she cleaned the house, she cooks. You did it all. So I got to see um somebody being in the a dope and multiple fasts and multiple roles. So it told me that just because I do one thing, I mean I gotta be stuck in that box forever. So your mom was your hero, It sounds like yeah, for sure, A lot of people don't understand, like what you learned from your mother, like not having a father there, people don't understand how hard it is for a mother to play that role, you know what I mean, to keep us out of trouble when we want to rebel and be men at a young age, Like it's it's really hard. So when we do make it, that's really our only goal is to change our minds. Like because she paid. People don't know the dudes and and the stuff she went through for us to even be here, to even have a chance to make it to the NBA. So I totally feel you up because me and Mat had the same relationships with our mom. You know what I'm saying, mad dad was around, but my dad wasn't around. But so I know, you know, even though you got this money, it don't stop because you have you have more things that you want to do, and that that money just makes you hungry. Facts and keeping crisin saw. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, my mom she was a really thing. I know, yeah, exactly right. So that's what's up. Yeah, So it's it's great to be able to just do stuff for her and let her travel and have that freedom and see that happen. Is because I remember it was days she would come home from work. She's sitting in traffic in Atlanta, two hour worth the traffic. She come home and like it's one shoe in front of the dough. She just go crazy. This is in the scence she crazy, So like, it's good to see her. Now, she's smiling, she kicked back, she traveled, so no better feeling. So y'all are off to a hot start. Tell me what it's like right now. I mean, because you guys got an early taste. Your second year, you guys go to the Eastern finals. You guys are the talk of the league. You know, that's when definitely you was on my radar. I saw you, you know what, I me and me being from the Bay, I saw you a cow and I was just like, okay, this kid could play. So third pick come in your second year, you guys go right to the Eastern Conference finals. Um, tell me what that's like. Um it's great. It's a blessing. I know a lot of people don't get that and that privilege to be able to play, you know that deep into the playoffs multiple times. Um So I take that. I don't take that for granted, and I just always want to keep working and stuff like that. But just finding ways to win in this league is tough. Any time you can get to win, take it. Um I was talked to the vests that's been on different teams and people that has been in the league for a long time. It'll always go like that. So I try to listen and learn from these stories. Um So, anytime we try to win, we try to take advantage of it. So you guys are basically twenty four minutes from going to the finals in your second season. Get Kyrie healthy, get Gordon healthy. You guys are expected on paper to be that team, and I know that that personally had you it looked like it seemed like from the outside looking in, you kind of had to take a step back last year with the situation, and we didn't see the jump we thought we were going to see. Obviously we see it this year, but what walk us through that what do you think what was the problem with that? Or that was that was a tough That was a tough transition from me. I was about to be twenty two years old going off coming off of a great season in the playoffs, and um, it was kind of facilitated. It wasn't really facilitated, but it was like understanding that I was gonna be Terry was the one that I I was gonna have to be the ones taking a step back, and we kind of really didn't understand that, Like why us at all? You know, people, why you know what I mean? But um, it worked out the way it worked out, and and we don't you we don't want to look back on the past too much because it is what it is and we're looking for. But it was tough for sure. You're coming off of a great season young and then and it was almost like they wanted to make it a bad thing that you wanted more right, make you look selfish, like these young guys they don't understand they selfish. I'm like, what we're supposed to want to do, right, Like we supposed to want to get better, we posted want to dominate the next level, take it to the next level. But They almost made it seem like that was a bad thing, like they're being counseled. Yeah, like, but it said a lot about you for YouTube as a young guy to be able to take that and still perform Like me, I know if somebody told me that at that age, I'm gonna be in a funk, I ain't gonna play, I'm gonna I might have attitude like you handled it like a pro at a young age, Like I had to be around Tim Duncan and David Robinson to learn how to be a professional, to be a professional. For you to for you to be able to take that at a at a young age like that after the year you just had, that's a testament to that says a lot about you because a lot of young guys that's put in that position at a young at a young age on their career, they don't last long. Ain't a lot to you. It was tough, ye Like. Mentally, it caused a lot of anxieready, a lot of stress, a lot of self being the top pick. Being a top pick. I'm seeing other guys in the league that's in the positions and they're getting so it's hard not to compare yourself and just try to stand in your own lane. But it was tough. It caused mentally a lot of afforded two for me to be able to look my helf in the mirror and be like, you know, I ain't gonna care what these people gotta say. I'm gonna just continue to go forward no matter what the situation is. Talk to us about that anxiety, because that's something you know, when we first came in the league, like that mental health wasn't discussed. And you know you've been vocal with it. Kevin Love has been vocal with that. Other guys have been vocal with it putting that out. Did you feel like that took a weight off your shoulders or you had explained that to me and it didn't take a weight off my shoulders, because I know that people still battle. It's a battle that's still currently daily, right is going on is daily. Everybody deals with it in some ways, shape or form, like that that voice is telling you might as good as you think you are or what you're trying to do, or you're not worthy. You know, our kids are, you know, the younger generation, they deal with that on a daily basis. So it's just me. I'm just using it as a as somebody that you know, somebody of influence that goes through it, just so maybe they could feel a little bit more comfortable for it. But um, for me, Um, I don't say it's like I overcame it or it's gone. It's just a daily battle. Like it was tough because when you get put into a situation with adversity, um, naturally you start to question yourself and your ability. That's the first thing you do, and your confidence, like in mine, as good as I thought I was, as soon as you start to question yourself, it's over. As soon as you start to not believe in yourself. You can kissing goodbye as soon as they get in your head, and you're gonna kill it, like the self doubt. It's gonna kill you before anybody else can even touch you. So for me, I had to. That's why I had a rough start to last year because I had it took me a minute to kind of get out of that to kind of like, Okay, remind myself of like what I bring to the table, Remind myself of who I am, Remind myself that I'm unique, brown, god damnit, and I'm okay with that, certain people try to make you feel bad and you think different, you are different, and they try to, you know, or whatever, make it seem like that's a bad thing. I had to remind myself like everybody got their own unique qualities that they bring to the able, and that's what's beautiful with the world because everybody think differently. But most of these people they're walking into everyday life and everything is the same. Right you walk out, you lead a house, and you go act like somebody else, right, you know what I mean. So I had to realize, like, I'm me, and I'm gonna walk out the door every single day and be me, regardless of what the selfis got to say, regardless of what the black Twitter anybody say. I just had to do that, and that's what helped me really get up out of that. How did you so to just really just being able to block all that stuff out, Because I mean, people don't understand the NBA is mental. You mean, skill is everyone in the league has skill, But it's your mental approach and how important your mental approach is to your not only your game, but your day to day life because normally, when you're not playing well, you're off the court, life is kind of dragging too, because you know you're here to do this, and like you said, there's social media, there's hecklers, there's haters, Like how were you able at such a young age to block all that out? Did you have help or this is something you just talked yourself through. Um my grandpa, to be honest, he gave me a book and it really helped. It was like on astrology and stuff, and it kind of helped me like rediscovered like who I was and stuff. But everybody has their own process and their own whatever. So UM for me, that was what helped me, you know, trying to like figure out like what I made of and like what I bring to the table. And that made me more confident in myself. So when I stepped out in front of people, it was nothing they could really tell me. That what really bothered me because I was already known when I was born with when I came into this world with so um, that helped me a lot, my grandpa and stuff like that. But everybody has, you know, their own process and things like that. But I challenge people to look theirselves in the mirror and mind and stuff unique. They are when they walk out. Everybody, that's the that's a beautiful part of the world. God made each and every one of us different, with different qualities, right, So sometimes we forget because we go into a world where everybody just want to be the same and listened to the same music. We're the same clothes, talked to the same girls, like all the same stuff, and repeat recycles. So I challenge more people to just be different, especially kids. I don't know who's gonna be watching this, but especially the young ones, you know, because they're the next generation. They're gonna be the ones paving the way out. Challenging just be yourself. It's hard as hell to look yourself in the mirror and hold yourself accountable. You can lie to everybody else, but you can't lie to yourself, you know what I'm saying. When you're able to look at yourself in the mirror and be honest with yourself and not a lot of yourself, it's easier to deal with the ship outside. It's it's totally because you're not lying to yourself. That's a fact. That is fact, and that and that takes au That takes a lot to be able to do that. And like I had to look myself in the mirror and be like, what can I do better and how can I make the best? Are you doing something wrong? You're not doing nothing. You wasn't doing nothing wrong. You know you you got drafted number three ship. I'm supposed to be a star on this team. I'm supposed to be playing you as I did. This year, we take a huge step back. I just really have a you know, I really have to commence you. Like I said, at a young age, you had a lot, and I think it's only going to make you better in the long rue. But the way you've handled it and the way you've bounced back and the way you're back playing this year, uh, you know you're you're You're back with that edge and that attack and dunking on motherfucker's and doing what you need to do. He's a right leg to leg too, stupid, stupid bound, But we do it. What's what's the difference between you guys? Like I said on paper, you guys were amazing last year. It just didn't work between the energy last year in that locker room, in the chemistry with the chemistry and energy this year with you guys team it's a whole new team, whole new year, whole new everything changed. That's a part of the why I cut my hair and just a new season. Let her everything in the past go, just try to build for a new a new frontier. But the whole energy is changed. Like last year, it was like kind of like everybody was competing and we had something. We had a lot of dogs in that in that locker room that felt like they was that god, you know what I mean, And rightfully so like I respect that because it creates an environment like our practices was crazy. Yeah, running at Kyrie and Jason going at it like it was. It was crazy, like some if people from my perspective, because it was a good basketball environment from like people just trying to get better. But when it came to being five on the court, that's when it died. It was difficult. You guys on the islands, it almost looked like a time because we can't you can't play everybody in the fourth quarter, Brad can't play everybody. We can't play everybody you know to start the game. So it was just like, um, a lot of stuff that just drew traction between that and and and it was like shared it should have been shared, you know, equally between players, front office, coaching staff, instead of just being like it was all the players fault. They couldn't figure it out. It was It should have been more of a conglomerate because it was. It was everything. It's a team problem, it's an organizational problem. It's not just a player problem. It was tough for Brad to be able to figure that out well, though he hounded it made it look easy from now, it'side looking in you know what. I meant a lot of respect for Brad. He handled it in a sense where he didn't like belittle nobody, just like in other coaches might not have did that. He didn't really strip my confidence completely and just say like, you know what, this is not what you're gonna do, and this is not what you're gonna do. He kind of just let everything kind of like fizzle out. And so Brad, I feel like I did a great job last year. And I know he is talking about it because he's so focused on this year, and so am I because we've got a long season ahead of us. But sometimes it's good to acknowledge the past so we can just move over. I was someone who said early on when I saw your core, you, Kimba being new and Marcut smart playing on the USA team. Regardless of it didn't really go the way you plan. I just I knew that experience and representing your country was going to carry over to this season with chemistry, with confidence. You got a chance to play with Kimba early. Tell me what that experience was like. And then having Kimba not only as a USA team but now your point guard. It was great. Like when you when you outside the country and you like you know, you're not away, you're away from your family, you're away from your friends, and it's just you and your teammates. You're gonna learn stuff about each other that some stuff you don't even one of them true, and stuff I'm learning about something I already even wanted them, right, But you're gonna learn stuff about people, and it's gonna make you, you know, respect the more. It's gonna make you get closer to him, and it's gonna make you build that chemistry that we needed going into the season. So we spent a lot of time with each other, and like in China, we us in China for about three and a half weeks playing video games, talking playing cars, chopping it up, like I know stuff about some of these guys that I played with them for three years and didn't know. Yeah, well that's what we always said, you know. I mean, we had an amazing chemistry with that we believe team. But it was because I think we funked with each other so tough off the court and got to know each other off the court and likes and dislikes, and got to meet each other's families and really became friends and brothers off the court. And then all that obviously translates on the court. So you found that obviously to be the same. Yeah, especially like we're playing against you know, teams that it's coming for your coming for our head, like like we're playing against Serbia, We're playing against you know, Greece, You're playing against teams countries at France that don't really like the Yes, so like nobody likes the US when it comes to basketball. We've always been so good and you could feel it, so it makes you come together. So it's like, man, we're not about to let these dudes, you know what I mean, we can exactly, And and everything happened for a reason and didn't work out the way we wanted it to, and we still kind of decipher what that reason it's gonna be. But you know, I don't never question his plan, So we'll see what comes of it. How close are you would Tatum, you guys both being back to back third picks coming to historical franchise like the Celtics. Was he someone that you bonded with early on? Um? Yeah, Like I think when me and Tatum came in, we had similar situations, but we kind of like polar offices in a sense, Like Tatum is like even in our game, like I'm more aggressive, taking more later, you know what I mean. Like, and that's kind of our personalities is like I'm more probably he'll probably I'm a little outside of the box and he's probably a little bit more how cutting and simply just keep it simple, yeah, you know what I mean? So we we in a weird way. It kind of like works works because we lack with each other has, you know what I mean, So in a weird way, we got like an understanding like if each other respect for each other. Our families is close, like my my brother like babysit is like, uh, his son and stuff. That's right, Um, so we've been special light skin brother exactly. We're different, we got different mindsets, but at the same time, like I think we respect each other. That can be great together for a long time too, bro, I think I think in the back of the mind, y'all know that too. If y'all can stay together for a long time, y'all can be joining pipping all over again. That's dope. So what is it like? Tell me what it's like playing for historical franchise like Boston. Um, Boston, Uh, it's a great city, of course, definitely, Um, definitely something that when I came into I had no idea about. Like, nobody in my family is itself was a Celtics fan. Um, nobody was particularly fond that the Celtics. When I got a country boy, you grew up a Hawks fan, I would say. I grew up a Hawks fan. N the Falcons, you know, I support the home in the city, I would say that. So like with my family, like when I got there and nobody was there, people had questions you know about Boston, the area, the people. People was like suspicious about how do people treat you know, people of color, No questions and stuff like that. So it was a little bit, you know. Um, people was a little bit in different. My family, dadum ideas in the head about what how Boston was. And as I've been there, I've seen some of those ideas, and I've seen how the city has progressed in the last four years and how eclectic it is. Um, the city of Boston is. Outside cities are a little bit you know, needs some work, um for sure, because you see how like it's still like a little bit separate outside. But the city of Boston, I think everybody comes together in the city and um works together, makes money together, watches the Celtics games and the Bruins and all that. Everybody come together like in the city. But outside the city it's a little bit it's a little bit different. But I've definitely been able to see like the city of Boston grow and being able to be a part of it. I mean, I'm in there for four years. I'm a part of the community now, you know. So it's not just it's on me too, you know what i mean. So I'm trying to figure out ways to bring the community together. I did a gala this year, you know, showing some love to places in the community that don't get the amount of love they deserve. So I'm trying to find ways to bring the community more and more together because I've been there for four years and hopefully I'll be there for four more. Um, so I'm trying to do something to to add to be a part of the solution. You used to the snow, like, I don't think I've ever man, maybe be like I'm in my rookie year. Uh we had a game. I opened the door and like literally the snow fell off the roof, like I couldn't see out the door. So I'm thinking, like, okay, cool, game cancel. I'm like, game cancel. We're good. I'm about to go back to sleep. It was like then Lynch, he hit hits like big time to shovel out the snow. To make sure you get to the game one time, leave an hour early. So I'm like, yo, I really gotta play in this. Yes, yes, I had to leave an hour early for the game, so it took me two hours to get there and then I had to shovel myself out of the snow like literally we're used to that. I was like this. I was like this ain't it, man, This ain't it. You're someone that's big on social media and having your own platform, your own voice, you have your own YouTube channel to kind of give people a look at what you do. Talk to me a little bit about that. UM. For me, it was just trying to show people the human side. I think a lot of times they put athletes on the pedestal alongside with the mental help segment. UM, Like, we're humans too, like we um some of my father's brothers, you know, UM, friends, you know, etcetera. So just showing that side to people more and this in this generation, it's cool to be a part of it because you see how like that is changing, Like the whole shut up in dribble movement, UM, it's changed. We got athletes who are rappers like Dan Goodwin's too. We've got athletes who are you know, designers with closed like Russell Westbrook, Politicians Harrison Barnes, venture capitalists VC entrepreneurs sitting right here, you know what I mean. We got the game has changed, and I appreciate the ogs that came before UM to help change it. So it's only like the younger generation to care taking it to another level. So it's been cool to be a part of it and that change because I don't feel so stuck in the box as if I probably would have felt ten fifteen years ago, Like if you try to do anything else out of basketball, people maybe would get you crazy. If it's teen years ago. Now they might look at you crazy still, but now it's kind of like understood. Like that basketball it's more too it than just just a platform. It just opens doors. To me, it just opened a lot of doors, you know what I mean? It was it was to me. I played fourteen years on a handful of different teams, but that was just the beginning. You know. I was able to get into anywhere I wanted to beget because of that. You know, it means so to be able to capitalize that off the next step. It's good that you're still young in the game and realizing that because, like you said, we didn't have it, you know, when we first came in the league, you know, a kid, we were at the beginning of the social media are you know. So I think it's great that you are capitalizing and having an understanding of how big your platform is and how many kids Like you said, kid, you seem like you're real big on educating the next generation, you know what I mean, and to be able to understand that it is your job to carry the torch. I feel like the world is changing. I think, in my opinion, the world is changing. I think like um, some of the big social constructs we used to lean on, UM is they finding ways to become smaller and more efficient because like UM, to be honest, UM, it's a million different ways to make money. It's a million different ways to cut a chicken. And who would have thought, you know, ten years from now or twenty years from now or twenty years from then that who would have thought that you can make money just sitting in front of a camera and just talking talking bullshite talking. Who would have thought? Like posting on Instagram, you people, it's people making millions of it's people making m's just about posting on Instagram, Like who is a lot of ways to get it. Like it's crazy that that that's where the world is now because like before, like Suit and Todd was like the consider like the format of how it's being professional. Now you wouldn't be taking serious if you weren't dressed in the super time at one point, Yeah exactly, Now people got red, blue, yellow, green hair and just tattoos. And we can go at any meeting right any office and talk to anybody and know what we're talking about. Smoke all before and and lightening up. Why are we talking? And still get you? Still get the deal done? Not all the time. I can't on this show one day, hopefully, hopefully I can't wait. You're real big in technology. Obviously you spoke to M I T. Media Lab the Harvard Business Education School. Tell me what you know. You gotta come on now, you gotta break all those abbreviations and stuff down. We're talking about school now. This is not my this is not my strong suit. Break it down for me, please, Massachusetts Institution of Technology. Okay, we go in my TA right there. You know you didn't heard the M T. You heard. You just never knew what stuff. I never knew what it the only time my institute institute. I think institutions. I don't want to be a dad, but talk to me a little bit about you know your your fascination with tech and uh where that came from? Technology is the world man, technology. I always try to be a part of it, just to see where technology is going. Um, just y'all, far As came, um and stuff like that, just being a part of it. So I try to stay tuned in and see what's coming them next. When I was like Cale, meantors do Eric Moore, he was a VC. He had his own venture capitalist firm, so like, UM, I knew I wanted to do something. When I went out to Colt that's where I put myself in that position. UM. So I just kept hitting them up and he was like at first he was like, um, now, didn't take me serious. And I just kept hitting them up and he allowed me to come and do an intern at his VC firm, and he started showing me stuff and um, teaching me things that I didn't know previously about money, about how you know, the rich people make money and how the rich stay rich, and how um some of these companies you know, orchestrating things like that. So I got to see at eighteen or nineteen a bunch of different companies that were being ran successfully, and some of them were the same age as me. Some of these people were two dropped out of college, started their own company, was making two three million dollars in revenue, and nobody was bad in the eye. But when I was coming out it was a whole conversation. I remember, I don't want to call out the interviewer or the analysts or whatever. Saying one and done was like a bad thing. So I looked at it the same event, like, Okay, I got an idea, right, um, ideas, I'm going to the league. My body is my company. Why is it a bad thing that I'm um putting myself in a position to make a lot of money at the early age, rather than staying in school, which is only gonna perpetuate me going to work for somebody else eventually and having a bunch of student loan debts or whatever, or Sally May's getting hurt or something. It's just a hamster world they try to put you on. So for me, when I got to see that, I really got to see how the world work, and I really got to see how the similarities between you know, companies and basketball and the business and basketball start working. I wish I had somebody like that when I was crazy, right, tell you I was. I can't only want to tell you I was getting my info from an eight team and my advice for m oh lord dude named Spooney G and the dude named John Johnson and Mike d and All was talking man. Spoony G was wenting for Scotch and the Huntred gree Weather on the block pocket for the cash with beside was a hunting ten degrees. I got all my advice from him. You turned out, You turned out fine. Yeah, but you see what was taking a minute? Though? One point seventh great average. When I graduated one point seven, I don't know how they they let me walk out of there. I graduated doog goddamnit. Shout out do Kia for past taking my class, spoony G. Shout out the spoon You met spoony You met Spoody in the playoffs? Well, that's the one that was talking about podcasts. Yes, that was one of the realest conversations I ever had in my life. It was in Dallas and he broke down with Popman by standing at the world through my rear view mirror, and he said Park was rooting for us, and we went and won that series. Shout out spoon, shoutout spoon G. How can advancing tech be helpful for the NBA? Uh? I think it's been helpful for the NBA already. I think as you've seen as a technology with TVs and cameras and social media, the game has become bigger. Like, um, it's reaching different places that normally, you know, it wouldn't have reached its global now and the game is everywhere. I've traveled places just off you know, the merit of my brand through the NBA, and like people would be pulling up to like my hotel just to see me or shake my hand. So like I'm in Egypt, I'm in places that you ain't even think and there's people pulling up just because the brand in the NBA has gotten so big, right, So, um, I think the technology is a continue saying hands, um, it's the NBA state's partner where it is going to continue to make the game bigger, bigger and bigger. You're a fashion guy to talk about that a little bit. You're a big fashion guy too. Yeah, man, I've been going I'm in that fashion week, uh for the last two years, just really being a fly on the wall. I'll tell y'all a quick story. I never told anybody this. Come on, all of some my baby, give it to us. It's a quick story. Right. So I'm a fast wing. I got invited to a few different shows. My first year, I went to a lot. Actually I went to like ten, I went to Valentino, I went to um Rap Simmons, I went to Off Wide. I went to a bunch of different shows. But the big one two years ago was what the LV one with Virgil. I didn't get invited to that one, right, So I ain't get invited to that one. But I want to tripping, you know what I mean. I'm at the time, I'm the second year in the league and I ain't got my my merrit ain't like that. I ain't got the cloud. But I'm like, I can't miss that. It's been like they ain't never had a person of color being a Louis v designer ever like this history. So I'm like, I don't got no ticket, but I'm gonna pull up and just see what's gonna happen. Like the least I could do is say I tried, right, all right, that's typing. I'm from Atlantis, So yeah, we're gonna try. So I have photographers with me, and I have videographers and that manages with me and stuff like that. So I had like a little group of people with me. So I said, this will be gonna do. I said, we're gonna get in the car and we're gonna pull up real fast, come to a stop real quick. Everybody jump out. Make it looked like the president put it up. Everybody jump out quick. When we jump out, everybody opened the door, slamming open the driver. You gotta slam on the brakes. Everybody jump out, slammed the door open. We're gonna walk fast. No pictures, no pictures, no pictures. We go keep walking through. We're gonna walk. So everybody like causing the commotion, all the people trying to tell the pictures, like who is it la? We get to the front, I said, when we get to the front, it's probably gonna be a list like Italian job. Look, it's probably gonna be a list. I thought the whole thing out. So I told my manager. I told it. I was like, we get to the mount. When they say, when they say they can't see they can't find my name on the list, I need you to go crazy. Look, don't even I didn't even think. I didn't even think she was gonna be like ready for like, I'm surprised, a little small, like I don't even think she was gonna be ready for like when you see the list, just go crazy like act like this is an outrage. She said, yeah, she sold it better. I'm she surprised me. So we get to the list just like we're not this is this is crazy. He should be on this list. They're like, okay, they come down, come down, come down, come there, come down, come down. Just let him go in. And I ended up going in and I end up like sitting like right next to Kanye and Travis. Oh that's crazy, Like it's crazy, right. And I ended up meeting Diddy sons uh in there just seeing him and say hey, what up and just walked in with them from the jump and just finess my whole way into like I gotta at number one. You gotta act like you belong. Yeah, good, finess my whole white Look that's I'm sitting right next to Kanye, Travis. I'm sitting dead across from Rihanna. When the show was over, Virgil came out and gave Kanye hug. At the end, he was crying and I was I was like, man if I was in my right, but I go out there just that moment he said getting in the huge like Mary, Yeah, felt it man, it was a special moment. But you from Atlanta, the home of for nessance straight in there cooling it. That's right, and you're being good. Ever since people were playing basketball, would you be doing? I don't know, man, I get that question a lot, to be honest, I don't know. Right now. I'm so locked in on ball. I can't even see nothing match right now. I just feel good to just be able to play and play free hobbies. Hobbies. I got a lot of hobbies. Man, Uh, what's one? Um? I guess I like I like designing, So I'm starting my own, my own brand. So so the clothing clothing brands before Jack Bag well just sent us because well, no, don't. I was gonna do my bag and late I wasn't gonna get a I got. I gotta have a big in segment. That's what we called. Yeah, and it's gonna have to be at the end. Okay, alright, we're gonna save that we don't do some exchanges exactly. I got. I got a little note that I wrote for you to say and take them, you know, the new George Gay. But I got Yeah, I like it. So I got a little sketch book and i'd be drawing stuff. I'll put a set together. I love music. It's like a past time. I don't I'm not trying to be a rapper. I'm not trying to do nothing with it. But I love being in the studio listening to music. It's just it's a good past We're gonna start making beats. Somewhat. You're gonna s I did. I used to. Yeah, I'm retiring now yea, Yeah, I'm gonna just put all my eggs in one basket. But I still like having hobbies and stuff to keep myself out of trouble. What's the biggest lesson you've learned up to this point in your career? And you seem very mature for being a you know, for your pro but what what's the biggest lesson to learn us far? Basketball wise? Confidence? Everything? People understood that though, because there's something to me. You hear people say, oh, he can't play the thirteen Twitter, it's all about comes because everybody could play, you know. I mean, so the second I saw something, you mean, you don't believe in yourself, it's a rap, you know, it's a confidence And being on that same page with the coach and on that the coach has confidence. She does wonders for everybody. Yeah, exactly, and uh because if as soon as you once they're get into your head and then get into your mind, like I've seen a lot of people, you know, their spirits broken and it's broken forever and don't find a way back from it. Like and I felt like that was like where they was trying to send me, and I was like, that ain't gonna happen to me. So I had to remind myself to be confident in myself and and find ways to to find that extra confidence. And that was good to circle to circle back. You get that from your mom. I know a lot of times when I didn't believe myself, when I got cut from teams and I broke my foot. Could nobody get me back to believe in myself but my mom fact you know what I mean, And that's something she taught me as a youngster. So I know for you, the baby to turn that switch on, your mom got something to do it that, because that's when we get all our confidence. I'll know him are writing wrongs, what to do or not that we get all that from my mom. That's a fact. I saw you working out with Team Mac because he's someone that you modeled your game after us. He's who did you look up to coming into the NBA? T Mac? That was it? Tea Mac? Was was it great person to look after? Yeah? I loved this game. It's cross over, step back to fact everything, you know what I mean? Te Max game, Like that's the one when I went outside. Like first it was like when I when I went outside, it was in the driveway and you pretending like you somebody when your little kid. For me, it was it was always Team Mac. Then the next it was Kobe, and it was d Wade and stuff like that. But think about that, Tatums is Kobe, you mean it's his Team Mac. Oh, so what do you ask? I mean, you guys see like obviously you have enough to win the championship this year. Is that's the goal, right? I mean it's championship or bus usually for franchises like the Celtics. So you know, you guys are taking the game and you know game the time. But I mean that's always a goal. I think every player that's what they want to do at least one time in their career. For me, I'm just like I'm not trying to put no expectations on this year. I'm just trying to hoot. You know what the goal is. Yeah, we know what the goal is. But I don't like they the media want uh most of the media and the Celtics media, they want you to get You said we're gonna do this and do that. Now they got us on that last year. That's what kind of messes up. Yeah, derailed this because everybody got so much pressure on them. To be honest, we don't need the pressure on this group. Like we're good. We got a lot of young players, We've got a lot of talent um, and we got you know a lot of people feeling roles that that need to be filling. And we got a lot of players playing well. Brad want to make her, Robert Williams, Javonte Green, Grant Williams, um Um, everybody man, Carson Edwards. Our young guys is playing phenomenal. Tse, Daniel t S, Vincent poor Year, a lot of young guys that you're prightly don't even know their names, but they've been helping us out and getting these wins. Yeah, you just thinking about six ain't heard of They've been helping us get these ones. Who are the who are the vocal leaders in the locker room, the vocal ones? Uh, I have a alt. I was that guy was when Alice spoke, everybody everybody chief, I was like, you know what, ain't know how that ain't no bullshit. You know what I'm saying. When he speaks, it means something facts al When Alice spoke, it definitely meant something for me for sure, Like if al told me to do something, I'm doing it because like not only did what he said, what he did what he always told us that he was doing. Like he was that example, Like he walked in his and he's like like Alice and him come to work every day, work you no matter what the situation was. He had the right attitude, the right mentality. Despite so like if I had to follow anybody's character, that's what I was leaning towards more than anybody, just because I've seen he was an example every single day or that, you know what I mean. It's hard to to to follow somebody if they're not is consistent, even though they might be a leader in a different merit, but they attitude inconsistent, you know what I mean. So al was that person for me, no question. He liked to him. He had to even kill all the time, all the time off subject with basketball. What do you are you in there? Shows? What are you watching right now? Uh? Snowfall was hottest thing y'all. Man, Please tell me, drive motherfucker? Is that Samuel little Jackson? No, that was that was frankly safe. So every time you argue, every time you beating him, we knew. Remember that saying you think I'm gonna blow all the ship that I built just because you don't like the way I nigga talk. Drive motherfucker. That was killing scene right up. And you just killed that right there. That he want to be an actor, He got me, he got I'm coming. I want to be I'm gonna put him in one of my things, so we're gonna get in. But that was good times. That scene was hard for something. Sometimes your homie, you can't necessarily have talked to your homie like you told that. He told his homie the best friend. Look, that's what that's what it was solid. He held his board, his up board, his boy down when he went to talk to Yeah, he didn't up, he didn't embarrassing fact. As soon as he got away from He had to check him for the betterment of the business. For that street ship. Man, that street ship, you can take that and use in any business they're doing. Man, snowfalls the ship. I'm glad you said that. You got me hype. I didn't woke up snowfall. It's another season coming, almost that snowfall beginning. I'd have been jumping all around this motherfucker. Man, it's another season coming. Yeah, gotta be you gotta be right. When how it ended, yeah, you know what I mean. But if it went back, nobody put a date on it. Though didn't nobody put a date on it. But it's good that we know. Franklin st knew that the d A guy was was working on him all this time, the whole time. I've got stomach, ain't seen you. I'm looking for a new show to get on. That's wonderful. Anything about selling dope and all that, I'm into it. Gangster ship, that's my lane, ain't But it was different. It was like how they infiltrated the with the hood with the dope, like you have no plane, land, no good, none of that, none of that. The government was dropping that they went to school and found him Yeah, they recruited him, right, you recruit me ship. That's crazy you think about using that to fund elections, wars, all types of stuff illegally, you know what I mean. And they're looking at us like we were from the street to because we're doing drugs and we're having violence in our neighborhood and with the liquor store in this corner and we're not supposed to drink or it's guns and cracking cocaine in the neighborhood. And we didn't posted you nothing about it. We didn't putting none of that. They came. It's official. They dropped it off. Snowfall is the perfect show, mad when we mastered it, Yeah, and then we were selling it to man, we mastered bring me something. I'm gonna cook it up and sounding better than you cut it. Whatever you need me to do, I'm gonna figure that stack. You gotta watch I get excited about that. I'm we're gonna end on this. Throughout this interview, you've really talked about educating and about the next generation. If you could tell them one word, one sentence, what would it be to the youth of oh Man, one sentence? That's hard man, You're gonna go first. One? Now, one, what's the question. Didn't just hear me? You still think about snowballs. I'm I'm in character right now, Frank the Saint like I'm you know, man boy, I'm thinking. I'm thinking the whole movie right now. Why she had to do the crack. She had a good thing. So if you had to encourage the youth with one word or a sentence, what would that be? Word? Our sentence? Either nothing be to failure, but to try. You never know if you're gonna succeed. If you don't try, you're gonna sunk up a little like that, nothing be to failure but to try. Because I think we live in a day and age where people are scared to do chase their dreams. So they want to talk about our dreams. Scared to fail, right, scared to fail, and I ain't gonna lie. That's one of That's probably one of my biggest fails. I mean, my biggest um beers beer. Was always scared of failure, like falling short. So that's something that's real, you know what I mean. And actuality, we're good. You know what I'm good. And if you believe in yourself, I actually got This call from Marcus Smarty was like pressure come from and when you don't know what you're doing, Like if you put the work in, you put the time and effort them, you should be confident in that and you shouldn't question it and failure when you can be options, you know. So that's one thing that I would agree on. Like, it's a lot of young people that are scared of failure and they don't know how to necessarily go about it. They get nervous and something they resort to other things that they try to fill those gaps with and sometimes it's not the best way. And it's up to us to let them know that before they walk out that house. They have everything in them. They need to be successful, everything in them already. You know what I'm saying this for us to use our platform and let the younger generation know that I agree. Appreciate you, man, Thank you for your time, alright, appreciate appreciate already. That's a wrap, man, all the smoke, Thank my guy, Jack, Jason Brown. You can find us on Showtime, YouTube, Basketball are all platforms, streaming, podcast. We'll see y'all next time. M h m hmmm mm hm m hm m h.