What kind of person makes a neutral referee? It’s not the kind of person you think.

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Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the figures in American life who rely on the public's trust, whether in sports, in business, in the courtroom, or on TV. What happens when that trust erodes and we can no longer agree on what's fair and what's not?

Get your copy of The Big Short audiobook, narrated by Michael Lewis, on Audible, Spotify, Apple Books, pushkin.fm/bigshort or wherever you get audiobooks.

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the figures in American life who rely on the public's trust, whether in sports, in business, in the courtroom, or on TV. What happens when that trust erodes and we can no longer agree on what's fair and what's not?
Get your copy of The Big Short audiobook, narrated by Michael Lewis, on <a href="https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Big-Short-Inside-the-Doomsday-Machine-Audiobook/B0FJTH21JS?qid=1758041668&amp;sr=1-1&amp;ref_pageloadid=not_applicable&amp;pf_rd_p=83218cca-c308-412f-bfcf-90198b687a2f&amp;pf_rd_r=W8EJYNFBTNKENZERAF3F&amp;plink=MffxLjWat1SZzQ9C&amp;pageLoadId=8twGCD6I2yKFLwtS&amp;creativeId=0d6f6720-f41c-457e-a42b-8c8dceb62f2c&amp;ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1">Audible</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4jMnkmyFmZT7j7R72nlNXz?si=b627a059b2e644cc">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/the-big-short-inside-the-doomsday-machine/id1828393213">Apple Books</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://pushkin.fm/bigshort">pushkin.fm/bigshort</a> or wherever you get audiobooks.

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

The Neutral

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My new audiobook, Blockers, is out now! Get the audiobook now exclusively at blockers.fm. And stay tuned for an upcoming Blockers companion series right here on Against the Rules.

In Washington, a blocker became the worst thing you could be. The directive was to find the blockers and get rid of them. And I found six of them. People who devoted their lives to public service, who believed their work mattered, until they were told they no longer belonged.

Blockers tells the story of the people who kept our most sensitive data secure, helped prevent wildfires, and uncovered life-saving research, and who got in the way of a slash-and-burn agenda inside the executive branch.

What fascinated me about it all wasn't politics. It was what happens when a society decides it no longer values the people doing work it depends on.

My new audiobook, Blockers, is out now! Get the audiobook now exclusively at <a href="http://blockers.fm">blockers.fm</a>. And stay tuned for an upcoming Blockers companion series right here on Against the Rules.
In Washington, a blocker became the worst thing you could be. The directive was to find the blockers and get rid of them. And I found six of them. People who devoted their lives to public service, who believed their work mattered, until they were told they no longer belonged.
Blockers tells the story of the people who kept our most sensitive data secure, helped prevent wildfires, and uncovered life-saving research, and who got in the way of a slash-and-burn agenda inside the executive branch.
What fascinated me about it all wasn't politics. It was what happens when a society decides it no longer values the people doing work it depends on.

Out Now: Blockers | Michael Lewis's New Audiobook

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Exciting news! I have an all new book coming out on October 6th: BLOCKERS. You can pre-order your copy of the audiobook exclusively at blockers.fm. The hardcover is available at michaellewiswrites.com.

A blocker is the worst thing you could be during President Trump's second term—especially if you worked in the federal government and wanted to keep your job. A blocker was a holdover, an impediment, and, most of all, someone who didn’t belong. BLOCKERS tells the story of six people who believed they had a calling, who were convinced they were doing something the country couldn’t do without, and then discovered they were no longer wanted. One kept Americans’ most sensitive tax data out of the wrong hands and another made sure that politicians and civil servants played by the rules. One figured out how to stop wildfires from destroying suburban neighborhoods, another helped uncover the mysteries of cystic fibrosis.

BLOCKERS is an inside look at the early days of Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) as told by the public servants it targeted and asks the question: If public servants can’t survive in government today, then what does that say about our country?

Pre-order your copy of the audiobook exclusively at blockers.fm. We'll send you a code for 25% off all Pushkin titles, including mine like Liar’s Poker and The Big Short, through the end of the year. 

Exciting news! I have an all new book coming out on October 6th: BLOCKERS. You can pre-order your copy of the audiobook exclusively at&nbsp;<a href="http://blockers.fm/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://blockers.fm/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1780604741523000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2J4r3Nk0NlFAfzLqgafUBU">blockers.fm</a>. The hardcover is available at&nbsp;<a href="http://michaellewiswrites.com/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://michaellewiswrites.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1780604741523000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2Qc9ucG5NSeLLTcvo1D4_-">michaellewiswrites.com</a>.
A blocker is the worst thing you could be during President Trump's second term&mdash;especially if you worked in the federal government and wanted to keep your job. A blocker was a holdover, an impediment, and, most of all, someone who didn&rsquo;t belong. BLOCKERS tells the story of six people who believed they had a calling, who were convinced they were doing something the country couldn&rsquo;t do without, and then discovered they were no longer wanted. One kept Americans&rsquo; most sensitive tax data out of the wrong hands and another made sure that politicians and civil servants played by the rules. One figured out how to stop wildfires from destroying suburban neighborhoods, another helped uncover the mysteries of cystic fibrosis.
BLOCKERS is an inside look at the early days of Trump&rsquo;s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) as told by the public servants it targeted and asks the question: If public servants can&rsquo;t survive in government today, then what does that say about our country?
Pre-order your copy of the audiobook exclusively at <a href="http://blockers.fm/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://blockers.fm/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1780604741523000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2J4r3Nk0NlFAfzLqgafUBU">blockers.fm</a>. We'll send you a code for 25% off all Pushkin titles, including mine like Liar&rsquo;s Poker and The Big Short, through the end of the year.&nbsp;

Blockers: A New Audiobook from Michael Lewis 

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Recently, Michael Lewis spoke with Nicolle Wallace, host of the podcast The Best People, at Symphony Space in New York. They discussed what it was like re-visiting the Big Short 15 years on. And we hear the actor Zach Grenier dramatize a portion of The Big Short.

Order The Big Short audiobook, now narrated by Michael Lewis, on Audible, Spotify, pushkin.fm/bigshort or wherever you get audiobooks.

Recently, Michael Lewis spoke with Nicolle Wallace, host of the podcast&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/49PEWS3aD9f6M2urhGdf6d">The Best People</a>, at Symphony Space in New York. They discussed what it was like re-visiting the Big Short 15 years on. And we hear the actor Zach Grenier dramatize a portion of The Big Short.
Order The Big Short audiobook, now narrated by Michael Lewis, on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Big-Short-Inside-the-Doomsday-Machine-Audiobook/B0FJTH21JS?qid=1758041668&amp;sr=1-1&amp;ref_pageloadid=not_applicable&amp;pf_rd_p=83218cca-c308-412f-bfcf-90198b687a2f&amp;pf_rd_r=W8EJYNFBTNKENZERAF3F&amp;plink=MffxLjWat1SZzQ9C&amp;pageLoadId=8twGCD6I2yKFLwtS&amp;creativeId=0d6f6720-f41c-457e-a42b-8c8dceb62f2c&amp;ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1">Audible</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4jMnkmyFmZT7j7R72nlNXz?si=b627a059b2e644cc">Spotify</a>, <a href="http://pushkin.fm/bigshort">pushkin.fm/bigshort</a> or wherever you get audiobooks.

Live with Nicolle Wallace 

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