As an anthropologist, Natasha Schüll spent more than a decade doing field work in Vegas casinos, especially among the slot machine addicts. She tells Michael Lewis why many of those who play slots actually hate to win. And she talks about how the digital overhaul of Vegas has made all forms of gambling, including sports gambling, more like slots.

For further reading: Addiction by Design: Machine Gambling in Las Vegas by Natasha Schüll.

As an anthropologist, Natasha Sch&uuml;ll spent more than a decade doing field work in Vegas casinos, especially among the slot machine addicts. She tells Michael Lewis why many of those who play slots actually hate to win. And she talks about how the digital overhaul of Vegas has made all forms of gambling, including sports gambling, more like slots.
For further reading: <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691160887/addiction-by-design?srsltid=AfmBOoqDhk7QpskQ5Q_E9f0e1ysJuZRP1XPbZlD2a8MrZNAPurf9-sEb">Addiction by Design: Machine Gambling in Las Vegas</a> by Natasha Sch&uuml;ll.

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the figures in American life who rely on the public's trust, whether in sports, in business, in the courtroom, or on TV. What happens when that trust erodes and we can no longer agree on what's fair and what's not?

Get your copy of The Big Short audiobook, narrated by Michael Lewis, on Audible, Spotify, Apple Books, pushkin.fm/bigshort or wherever you get audiobooks.

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the figures in American life who rely on the public's trust, whether in sports, in business, in the courtroom, or on TV. What happens when that trust erodes and we can no longer agree on what's fair and what's not?
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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Natasha Schüll on the Antisocial Lure of Gambling

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