Michael Lewis joins his friend and fellow Pushkin podcaster Maya Shankar (host of A Slight Change of Plans) for a live conversation in San Francisco. They discuss her new book in a candid conversation about identity, loss, and what happens when the thing that once defined you falls away.

(00:02:02) Get The Other Side of Change at Apple Books or wherever you get audiobooks.

Find A Slight Change of Plans wherever you get podcasts.