Around the launch of Against the Rules, Michael spoke with his friend and co-producer, the author Malcolm Gladwell, at the 92Y in New York. Hear them talk about podcasting, referees, and the magic of “conversational delight.”

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Around the launch of Against the Rules, Michael spoke with his friend and co-producer, the author Malcolm Gladwell, at the 92Y in New York. Hear them talk about podcasting, referees, and the magic of “conversational delight.” Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the figures in American life who rely on the public's trust, whether in sports, in business, in the courtroom, or on TV. What happens when that trust erodes and we can no longer agree on what's fair and what's not?

Get your copy of The Big Short audiobook, narrated by Michael Lewis, on Audible, Spotify, Apple Books, pushkin.fm/bigshort or wherever you get audiobooks.

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the figures in American life who rely on the public's trust, whether in sports, in business, in the courtroom, or on TV. What happens when that trust erodes and we can no longer agree on what's fair and what's not?
Get your copy of The Big Short audiobook, narrated by Michael Lewis, on <a href="https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Big-Short-Inside-the-Doomsday-Machine-Audiobook/B0FJTH21JS?qid=1758041668&amp;sr=1-1&amp;ref_pageloadid=not_applicable&amp;pf_rd_p=83218cca-c308-412f-bfcf-90198b687a2f&amp;pf_rd_r=W8EJYNFBTNKENZERAF3F&amp;plink=MffxLjWat1SZzQ9C&amp;pageLoadId=8twGCD6I2yKFLwtS&amp;creativeId=0d6f6720-f41c-457e-a42b-8c8dceb62f2c&amp;ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1">Audible</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4jMnkmyFmZT7j7R72nlNXz?si=b627a059b2e644cc">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/the-big-short-inside-the-doomsday-machine/id1828393213">Apple Books</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://pushkin.fm/bigshort">pushkin.fm/bigshort</a> or wherever you get audiobooks.

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Live Episode: Michael Lewis and Malcolm Gladwell

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