Good afternoon to you and happy Tuesday. It's the twenty fifth of March. I'm Stacy Lee with you here on five double A four afternoons until four o'clock, and today we need your help on a number of matters. Eight double two to three double O double oh is the number to call, or you can send me a text zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. In just a few minutes, we'll be talking about who should be allowed to vote in local council elections. This is all read its ugly head after the Adelaide City council election has been called into question following a court ruling in regards to one councilor elected on fake ballots. Basically, the court has found well last week we were talking about this and it got a huge reaction from so many of you. And at the time we spoke to Frank Pangelo, independent MP in the State Parliament's upper house, and he was going to introduce some legislation to try and rule this out in future elections. He's going to hear from Frank this afternoon. We'll see where that legislation is. And then I've reached out to the opposition and the State government as well, to see whether or not they will be supporting this piece of legislation. We'll find out what's in it, we'll find out what will change, and you'll get the details from Frank in just a few moments time. But as always, i'd love your thoughts on the matter. We'll also talk about the federal budget. I think journo's in Canberra are all in their budget lock up at the moment, so they're all thinking budget and I thought we should think about it as well. We should talk about what we already know, what implications it could have for you, How will it affect your wallet in the upcoming twelve months and potentially longer with an election thrown in there as well. So we'll talk about that very soon. Talk back gardening with Diane. If you've got a gardening question for Diet, today is the day to get it in as a fifty dollars Newman's Nursery voucher for grabs for one caller this afternoon as well. And we've got State of the Arts speaking to Douglas Gortier today, the CEO and artistic director of the Adelaide Festival Center, who earlier this year announced his retirement. He'll still be in the role until the middle of the year, so I'm looking forward to talking to him about what he thinks he's been able to achieve in the.

Good afternoon to you and happy Tuesday. It's the twenty fifth of March. I'm Stacy Lee with you here on five double A four afternoons until four o'clock, and today we need your help on a number of matters. Eight double two to three double O double oh is the number to call, or you can send me a text zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. In just a few minutes, we'll be talking about who should be allowed to vote in local council elections. This is all read its ugly head after the Adelaide City council election has been called into question following a court ruling in regards to one councilor elected on fake ballots. Basically, the court has found well last week we were talking about this and it got a huge reaction from so many of you. And at the time we spoke to Frank Pangelo, independent MP in the State Parliament's upper house, and he was going to introduce some legislation to try and rule this out in future elections. He's going to hear from Frank this afternoon. We'll see where that legislation is. And then I've reached out to the opposition and the State government as well, to see whether or not they will be supporting this piece of legislation. We'll find out what's in it, we'll find out what will change, and you'll get the details from Frank in just a few moments time. But as always, i'd love your thoughts on the matter. We'll also talk about the federal budget. I think journo's in Canberra are all in their budget lock up at the moment, so they're all thinking budget and I thought we should think about it as well. We should talk about what we already know, what implications it could have for you, How will it affect your wallet in the upcoming twelve months and potentially longer with an election thrown in there as well. So we'll talk about that very soon. Talk back gardening with Diane. If you've got a gardening question for Diet, today is the day to get it in as a fifty dollars Newman's Nursery voucher for grabs for one caller this afternoon as well. And we've got State of the Arts speaking to Douglas Gortier today, the CEO and artistic director of the Adelaide Festival Center, who earlier this year announced his retirement. He'll still be in the role until the middle of the year, so I'm looking forward to talking to him about what he thinks he's been able to achieve in the.

Role, what his favorite parts of working at the Festival Center are. Is there any big names that he's come any, any absolute divas that he wouldn't want to work with again, who's the nicest person he's ever worked with over that time, and what next for him?

Role, what his favorite parts of working at the Festival Center are. Is there any big names that he's come any, any absolute divas that he wouldn't want to work with again, who's the nicest person he's ever worked with over that time, and what next for him?

So we'll talk to Douglas Gortier about it that as well. It's Turkey Tuesday, so get thinking about your turkeys. And there was an article in the Advertiser over the weekend and piece by Paul Starrik that caught my attention. Paul Stark thinks we should banish the tag city of Churches and rename Adelaide, give it a new nickname. So we need your help today. What nickname should Adelaide have?

So we'll talk to Douglas Gortier about it that as well. It's Turkey Tuesday, so get thinking about your turkeys. And there was an article in the Advertiser over the weekend and piece by Paul Starrik that caught my attention. Paul Stark thinks we should banish the tag city of Churches and rename Adelaide, give it a new nickname. So we need your help today. What nickname should Adelaide have?

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Double two to three double O double oh is the number to call. I think it should be something to do with festivals. We have so many festivals. I know for a while they were putting the festival state on the number plates of cars, but I think that's kind of dropped off. I think that's I don't think they do that anymore. I still think it should be the City of Festivals. We've just wrapped up the Fringe Festival and Adelaide Festival, the cabaret festivals coming up, Tasting Australia, and then of course we have the new ones. We've already had Livgolf this year, gather round. There's lots of festivals throughout the year. There's Illuminate the Light Festival. Later on in the year there'll be the Greek Festival. So I think we should go back to the festival state. But I want to hear from you, the quirkier the better this afternoon eight double two to three double oh. If we're going to get rid of the City of Churches branding, what should we replace it with? Lots of prizes to give away as well while a cinema's family pass. I mentioned the fifty dollars outcher for Newman's Nursery, and we have our carton of turkey flat rose for Turkey Tuesday a little bit later on as well. So plenty of opportunities to win by calling into the program this afternoon. But let's start with that story about local government elections. It was brought up on the Breakfast Show again this morning Henry Davis, Adelaide City Councilor, who you've heard a lot on this matter over the last few weeks, since the court ruling that the Central War election of one councilor was marred by forged election papers, and there is still a court ruling to come. I guess the the district court has ruled that some of those votes were invalid. But what's to come is a result. What does that mean who will need to go to the ballot again? Is it just the one counselor whose votes were impacted by these fake votes? Or is it other councilors in that ward. Is it the entire council, including the Lord Mayor. We'll find out soon what the court has decided on that. But here is Henry Davis, who, as I say, is an Adelaide City councilor, talking to the Breakfast Show about this this morning.

Double two to three double O double oh is the number to call. I think it should be something to do with festivals. We have so many festivals. I know for a while they were putting the festival state on the number plates of cars, but I think that's kind of dropped off. I think that's I don't think they do that anymore. I still think it should be the City of Festivals. We've just wrapped up the Fringe Festival and Adelaide Festival, the cabaret festivals coming up, Tasting Australia, and then of course we have the new ones. We've already had Livgolf this year, gather round. There's lots of festivals throughout the year. There's Illuminate the Light Festival. Later on in the year there'll be the Greek Festival. So I think we should go back to the festival state. But I want to hear from you, the quirkier the better this afternoon eight double two to three double oh. If we're going to get rid of the City of Churches branding, what should we replace it with? Lots of prizes to give away as well while a cinema's family pass. I mentioned the fifty dollars outcher for Newman's Nursery, and we have our carton of turkey flat rose for Turkey Tuesday a little bit later on as well. So plenty of opportunities to win by calling into the program this afternoon. But let's start with that story about local government elections. It was brought up on the Breakfast Show again this morning Henry Davis, Adelaide City Councilor, who you've heard a lot on this matter over the last few weeks, since the court ruling that the Central War election of one councilor was marred by forged election papers, and there is still a court ruling to come. I guess the the district court has ruled that some of those votes were invalid. But what's to come is a result. What does that mean who will need to go to the ballot again? Is it just the one counselor whose votes were impacted by these fake votes? Or is it other councilors in that ward. Is it the entire council, including the Lord Mayor. We'll find out soon what the court has decided on that. But here is Henry Davis, who, as I say, is an Adelaide City councilor, talking to the Breakfast Show about this this morning.

Well, one of the difficulties will be the numbers that actually turn out. So I believe that the four Central Wood candidates should probably declare a conflict of interest in the motion and so hopefully we can obtain a quorum and people show up to do their jobs, but it'll really be debated tonight to do what the outcome will be.

Well, one of the difficulties will be the numbers that actually turn out. So I believe that the four Central Wood candidates should probably declare a conflict of interest in the motion and so hopefully we can obtain a quorum and people show up to do their jobs, but it'll really be debated tonight to do what the outcome will be.

So there is a meeting of Adelaide City Council tonight where it will be discussed. But I wanted to look at the bigger picture here. A lot of this has to do with international students and residents of other countries being able to vote in local council elections. This is something that we spoke to Frank Pangelo about a couple of weeks ago, and I thought i'd get him back on because when we spoke Frank, he's an independent MP in State Parliament's upper House. When we last spoke, Frank, you said you had legislation in parliament and I wanted to get an update on where that legislation is at the moment.

So there is a meeting of Adelaide City Council tonight where it will be discussed. But I wanted to look at the bigger picture here. A lot of this has to do with international students and residents of other countries being able to vote in local council elections. This is something that we spoke to Frank Pangelo about a couple of weeks ago, and I thought i'd get him back on because when we spoke Frank, he's an independent MP in State Parliament's upper House. When we last spoke, Frank, you said you had legislation in parliament and I wanted to get an update on where that legislation is at the moment.

Good afternoon to you, Hey, good afternoon today into your listeners. Well, the good news is that that legislation was passed and in the Legislative Council, so it's now in the House of Assembly. In fact, it's in the very capable hands of Jeff Brock, who knows all about local government. But what that legislation entails is essentially that you need to be an Australian citizen to be able to be eligible to vote in local government elections just as it is in state and also federal elections. Furthermore, there was another component to that piece of legislation for compulsory voting, so that went through as well. Now I think both of these stacy, and it's just been borne out by the Court of Disputed Returns decision that there were illegal practices underway, that it's an integrity measure. It's to ensure that these elections are conducted with propriety and no doubt should be cast upon those results as what happened in twenty eighteen, say in twenty twenty two, and most likely in twenty eighteen, because I've been given more information now that suggests that the fraud that was carried out in twenty twenty too is far more widespread than what we have been told about. That Adelaide City Council had an idea that there was some suspicious vote hardest being going on and applications to vote, so they had an idea and I've seen evidence of that, and also that the Electoral Commission would have or should have known what was going on, and I believe it goes back to twenty eighteen and probably even before that. So this whole area needs utter reform and I'm hoping that the government now see the sense in doing that.

Good afternoon to you, Hey, good afternoon today into your listeners. Well, the good news is that that legislation was passed and in the Legislative Council, so it's now in the House of Assembly. In fact, it's in the very capable hands of Jeff Brock, who knows all about local government. But what that legislation entails is essentially that you need to be an Australian citizen to be able to be eligible to vote in local government elections just as it is in state and also federal elections. Furthermore, there was another component to that piece of legislation for compulsory voting, so that went through as well. Now I think both of these stacy, and it's just been borne out by the Court of Disputed Returns decision that there were illegal practices underway, that it's an integrity measure. It's to ensure that these elections are conducted with propriety and no doubt should be cast upon those results as what happened in twenty eighteen, say in twenty twenty two, and most likely in twenty eighteen, because I've been given more information now that suggests that the fraud that was carried out in twenty twenty too is far more widespread than what we have been told about. That Adelaide City Council had an idea that there was some suspicious vote hardest being going on and applications to vote, so they had an idea and I've seen evidence of that, and also that the Electoral Commission would have or should have known what was going on, and I believe it goes back to twenty eighteen and probably even before that. So this whole area needs utter reform and I'm hoping that the government now see the sense in doing that.

So why did you choose to wrap up compulsory voting in the legislation as well? Do you see that maybe being a bit of a sticking point for some MPs and potentially voters. Why not just do the banning of foreign nationals voting in our elections and get that one done first.

So why did you choose to wrap up compulsory voting in the legislation as well? Do you see that maybe being a bit of a sticking point for some MPs and potentially voters. Why not just do the banning of foreign nationals voting in our elections and get that one done first.

Well, well, I thought I'm as well chat both, and I've been talking about this staty since the period I got elected, and in the initial time that I tried to do this back in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, there wasn't that much support for it from either parties and other crossbenches. However, with the revelations, the recent ones and others that have come out in recent years, there has been growing support for it. So I had unanimous support for the citizenship aspect of it last week, and of course the compulsory one went through. It's now in the House of Assembly, so the government is in control of that and they may want to tweak with it, but I think it's important that We do have both of those, and I wanted them in there and discussed and acted upon before the twenty twenty six elections, because if we don't do anything about it now, the same thing is likely to happen. Look. I am so concerned about what's been going on and in the integrity of these local government elections that my next step will be a motion in the Legislative Council in the next coming weeks to have a parliamentary inquiry into local government elections and the integrity of them, and also into the way that the Electoral Commission has handled it.

Well, well, I thought I'm as well chat both, and I've been talking about this staty since the period I got elected, and in the initial time that I tried to do this back in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, there wasn't that much support for it from either parties and other crossbenches. However, with the revelations, the recent ones and others that have come out in recent years, there has been growing support for it. So I had unanimous support for the citizenship aspect of it last week, and of course the compulsory one went through. It's now in the House of Assembly, so the government is in control of that and they may want to tweak with it, but I think it's important that We do have both of those, and I wanted them in there and discussed and acted upon before the twenty twenty six elections, because if we don't do anything about it now, the same thing is likely to happen. Look. I am so concerned about what's been going on and in the integrity of these local government elections that my next step will be a motion in the Legislative Council in the next coming weeks to have a parliamentary inquiry into local government elections and the integrity of them, and also into the way that the Electoral Commission has handled it.

And So who supported your bill in the Upper House? Did you have the supportive government opposition other independents?

And So who supported your bill in the Upper House? Did you have the supportive government opposition other independents?

Well, yeah, Look, the only one who opposed compulsory voting, and I was quite surprised by it, was Sarah Gain from One Nation, and she spoke pretty openly and had some points to make about voluntary voting, which surprised me because I didn't think it was One Nation policy to oppose compulsory voting. I would have always thought that they would have been supportive of anything that had an aspect to it to improve the integrity of democratic elections, rather than leave it to the way it is at the moment. We only had thirty one percent of people turned out at the last local government elections. And we now know that in the city of Adelaide, and there could have been in other areas in Adelaide, that there was fradulent activity in the way that votes were harvested and in the way that applications for voting were carried out. And I've seen evidence. I've got a lot of information now that it's been given to me that suggests it's more widespread than anyone thought. And the evidence I've seen, I have to say, it shot me when I saw what was going on, and it involves, you know, a number of areas in the city of Adelaide, a number of buildings where this practice took place. And the evidence is clear cut from what I've seen. And I'm shocked that the Australian the South Australian Electoral Commission and other agencies have them bothered to even look even further into this. They seem to be accepting of what the judge found in the Court of Disputed Returns. I just hope that they don't sit on their backsides and now don't do anything about it.

Well, yeah, Look, the only one who opposed compulsory voting, and I was quite surprised by it, was Sarah Gain from One Nation, and she spoke pretty openly and had some points to make about voluntary voting, which surprised me because I didn't think it was One Nation policy to oppose compulsory voting. I would have always thought that they would have been supportive of anything that had an aspect to it to improve the integrity of democratic elections, rather than leave it to the way it is at the moment. We only had thirty one percent of people turned out at the last local government elections. And we now know that in the city of Adelaide, and there could have been in other areas in Adelaide, that there was fradulent activity in the way that votes were harvested and in the way that applications for voting were carried out. And I've seen evidence. I've got a lot of information now that it's been given to me that suggests it's more widespread than anyone thought. And the evidence I've seen, I have to say, it shot me when I saw what was going on, and it involves, you know, a number of areas in the city of Adelaide, a number of buildings where this practice took place. And the evidence is clear cut from what I've seen. And I'm shocked that the Australian the South Australian Electoral Commission and other agencies have them bothered to even look even further into this. They seem to be accepting of what the judge found in the Court of Disputed Returns. I just hope that they don't sit on their backsides and now don't do anything about it.

Can I just go back to Frank the legislation. If the government and the opposition don't want to vote on the compulsory voting side of it, but they would like to pass the changing of the rules as to who can vote, would you be willing to split it up.

Can I just go back to Frank the legislation. If the government and the opposition don't want to vote on the compulsory voting side of it, but they would like to pass the changing of the rules as to who can vote, would you be willing to split it up.

Oh, yeah, of course, I am, Yeah, I am. Look, compulsory voting will come. As I said a few years ago, there was some opposition to it, but a lot of them have warmed to it now because they can see that there are problems. Even the Local Government Association, which initially was opposed to compulsory voting, is now supportive of it from those officials that I've spoken to, So I think there is now a movement towards it, and it has to come if we want to have elections that are done in a democratic way and also that aren't or haven't been tampered with. Because they've been able to tamper with the results of elections and this is just outrageous. You can't allow that to happen, Stacey. I don't care what people say about having compulsory voting or not. You cannot allow illegal practices fraud to continue to happen without reform. When we need that reform.

Oh, yeah, of course, I am, Yeah, I am. Look, compulsory voting will come. As I said a few years ago, there was some opposition to it, but a lot of them have warmed to it now because they can see that there are problems. Even the Local Government Association, which initially was opposed to compulsory voting, is now supportive of it from those officials that I've spoken to, So I think there is now a movement towards it, and it has to come if we want to have elections that are done in a democratic way and also that aren't or haven't been tampered with. Because they've been able to tamper with the results of elections and this is just outrageous. You can't allow that to happen, Stacey. I don't care what people say about having compulsory voting or not. You cannot allow illegal practices fraud to continue to happen without reform. When we need that reform.

Okay, well you said, did you say everyone supported it in the Upper House except for Sarah Gain.

Okay, well you said, did you say everyone supported it in the Upper House except for Sarah Gain.

She's supported the the citizenship which she was supportive of that policy not compulsory, but you know, it went through on voices, so she didn't divide or anything. But it surprised me that she was opposed to it. I mean, she spoke quite passionately about you know, keeping or having voting voluntary, and I thought, well, you know, Sarah has stood up and spoken out against you know, illegal practices and integrity, and I was surprised that she wasn't interested in an aspect that would actually, uh, you know, give more clarity towards integrity than we currently have. And it's it's a serious problem, Stace. I viewed this, this additional information that has been brought to my office, I thought, wow, this has probably been going on a lot longer than we knew, and it's more widespread and look, it probably even warrants a police in investigation. It's that serious.

She's supported the the citizenship which she was supportive of that policy not compulsory, but you know, it went through on voices, so she didn't divide or anything. But it surprised me that she was opposed to it. I mean, she spoke quite passionately about you know, keeping or having voting voluntary, and I thought, well, you know, Sarah has stood up and spoken out against you know, illegal practices and integrity, and I was surprised that she wasn't interested in an aspect that would actually, uh, you know, give more clarity towards integrity than we currently have. And it's it's a serious problem, Stace. I viewed this, this additional information that has been brought to my office, I thought, wow, this has probably been going on a lot longer than we knew, and it's more widespread and look, it probably even warrants a police in investigation. It's that serious.

Okay, I'm just trying to get my head around how it went in the Upper House. Because of course, now, as you mentioned, Jeff Brock has courage of it in the Lower House. So I was trying to get in touch with the government and the opposition today to work out if they'll pass it through the lower House. Sam Telfer is the Shadow Treasurer and Shadow Minister for Local Government, and he's called in. Good afternoon, Sam.

Okay, I'm just trying to get my head around how it went in the Upper House. Because of course, now, as you mentioned, Jeff Brock has courage of it in the Lower House. So I was trying to get in touch with the government and the opposition today to work out if they'll pass it through the lower House. Sam Telfer is the Shadow Treasurer and Shadow Minister for Local Government, and he's called in. Good afternoon, Sam.

Telfer, Yeah, good afternoon, Staty, So will.

Telfer, Yeah, good afternoon, Staty, So will.

The opposition be supporting this legislation in the lower House.

The opposition be supporting this legislation in the lower House.

I'll just correct Frank's recollection of the debate because we're in the opposition certainly a bit circumspect around the compulsory voting aspect, and indeed we tried to split the two, as you've sort of said, because I see them as two pretty separate matters. The party room Liberal party room certainly supportive of changing the arrangements and tightening things up so that what it's currently in place for the ability for foreign to voting local government elections has changed, but the compulsory voting aspect of it, we even moved an amendment in the Upper House to take that part out of what was being debated, because we're still circumspect as to whether the public are actually expecting that this should be a change that should come in. But you know, overall, Stacey We're two and a half years from the last local government election and councils and their communities are actually starting to get a bit frustrated with the absence of any sort of policy coming from the government in this space. When the previous minister, Jeff Brock was in place, they did a review of the local government elections process. They've been sitting on that review and waiting to see what happens. I guess, so there's been no policy that's come from that. And also, you know, two and a half years nearly after the council elections, the formal election review from the electorc commit still hasn't been made public. I don't know if the Minister has got that from the Electoral Commissioner yet and they's sitting on that as well or what. But you know, it's getting close to the next council elections and if this government is serious about local government reform, well there needs to be some action and action quickly.

I'll just correct Frank's recollection of the debate because we're in the opposition certainly a bit circumspect around the compulsory voting aspect, and indeed we tried to split the two, as you've sort of said, because I see them as two pretty separate matters. The party room Liberal party room certainly supportive of changing the arrangements and tightening things up so that what it's currently in place for the ability for foreign to voting local government elections has changed, but the compulsory voting aspect of it, we even moved an amendment in the Upper House to take that part out of what was being debated, because we're still circumspect as to whether the public are actually expecting that this should be a change that should come in. But you know, overall, Stacey We're two and a half years from the last local government election and councils and their communities are actually starting to get a bit frustrated with the absence of any sort of policy coming from the government in this space. When the previous minister, Jeff Brock was in place, they did a review of the local government elections process. They've been sitting on that review and waiting to see what happens. I guess, so there's been no policy that's come from that. And also, you know, two and a half years nearly after the council elections, the formal election review from the electorc commit still hasn't been made public. I don't know if the Minister has got that from the Electoral Commissioner yet and they's sitting on that as well or what. But you know, it's getting close to the next council elections and if this government is serious about local government reform, well there needs to be some action and action quickly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I did reach out to the government about this. The Minister, Joe Sokarch was unavailable this afternoon but sent me a statement. It's talking about the court case, which you know, I'm not really wanting to get into, but the end of it does say the Government is closely monitoring the proceedings and along with the current Local Government Elections and Participation Review and the Electoral Commissioners Report into the twenty twenty two local government elections, will inform any update to legislation this year. This includes who can legally vote in elections. So, if I'm totally honest, I'm not sure what that means. I still am unclear on the government's position on this and whether or not they'd support the bill. But just to be clear here, Sam Telfer, Shadow Minister, it sounds like you would support one part of Frank's bill to pass the changes as to who can vote in elections, but not necessarily the compulsory voting aspect of it.

I did reach out to the government about this. The Minister, Joe Sokarch was unavailable this afternoon but sent me a statement. It's talking about the court case, which you know, I'm not really wanting to get into, but the end of it does say the Government is closely monitoring the proceedings and along with the current Local Government Elections and Participation Review and the Electoral Commissioners Report into the twenty twenty two local government elections, will inform any update to legislation this year. This includes who can legally vote in elections. So, if I'm totally honest, I'm not sure what that means. I still am unclear on the government's position on this and whether or not they'd support the bill. But just to be clear here, Sam Telfer, Shadow Minister, it sounds like you would support one part of Frank's bill to pass the changes as to who can vote in elections, but not necessarily the compulsory voting aspect of it.

Yeah, that's right, and I think this is reflective of what we're hearing from the community that there's an expectation that it should be Australian citizens that vote on what the future of levels of government should be. And it's been shot. There's been a light shone on this process well and truly with the court case and the Adelaide City Council nearly two and a half years Stacey, and there's a lot of unanswered questions as to why the Electoral Commissioner has been so dogged in there pursuing of this and the amount of money that's been spent from the government to defend this case that now are nearly two and a half years later, it's been found that there's been this fraud and the results have actually been impacted because of it.

Yeah, that's right, and I think this is reflective of what we're hearing from the community that there's an expectation that it should be Australian citizens that vote on what the future of levels of government should be. And it's been shot. There's been a light shone on this process well and truly with the court case and the Adelaide City Council nearly two and a half years Stacey, and there's a lot of unanswered questions as to why the Electoral Commissioner has been so dogged in there pursuing of this and the amount of money that's been spent from the government to defend this case that now are nearly two and a half years later, it's been found that there's been this fraud and the results have actually been impacted because of it.

Well, I'll watch it closely in the Lower House when it does go to a vote. But Sam Telfer appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you.

Well, I'll watch it closely in the Lower House when it does go to a vote. But Sam Telfer appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks Stacy.

Yeah, thanks Stacy.

I'll just go back to Frank Pangelo who introduced the bill. Frank, I think I've still got you there. So it sounds like you'll have the opposition support in the Lower House on the first aspect. But you said you're willing to split it up and get rid of the compulsory voting aspect for now.

I'll just go back to Frank Pangelo who introduced the bill. Frank, I think I've still got you there. So it sounds like you'll have the opposition support in the Lower House on the first aspect. But you said you're willing to split it up and get rid of the compulsory voting aspect for now.

Yeah, I am, because look we're running out of time to the twenty twenty six elections. Yeah, and look, Sam's absolutely right. And Sam's had a lot of experience in a local government who was a former president of the Local Government Association and a long serving counselor on the West k so he knows what it's all about and yep, I'm happy to accept that, and I think the government is as well, and particularly in light of the findings of the Court of Disputed Returns. And also I understand that the Electoral Commission will release its long awaited report three years is a bit much next week. I believe in Parliament it could actually be as soon as next week. Be interesting to see what it finds in there, because look, I really think the Electoral Commission, I don't think they've been doing their work, Stacey, to really shine a light on the integrity of local government elections. So I don't think they've been as vigilant in local government as they have been in state or federal.

Yeah, I am, because look we're running out of time to the twenty twenty six elections. Yeah, and look, Sam's absolutely right. And Sam's had a lot of experience in a local government who was a former president of the Local Government Association and a long serving counselor on the West k so he knows what it's all about and yep, I'm happy to accept that, and I think the government is as well, and particularly in light of the findings of the Court of Disputed Returns. And also I understand that the Electoral Commission will release its long awaited report three years is a bit much next week. I believe in Parliament it could actually be as soon as next week. Be interesting to see what it finds in there, because look, I really think the Electoral Commission, I don't think they've been doing their work, Stacey, to really shine a light on the integrity of local government elections. So I don't think they've been as vigilant in local government as they have been in state or federal.

Okay, we'll wait and see when their report gets released and when this goes to a vote in the Lower House, if the government's willing to support it as well. Frank, appreciate your time.

Okay, we'll wait and see when their report gets released and when this goes to a vote in the Lower House, if the government's willing to support it as well. Frank, appreciate your time.

Well, Stacey, I'm still planning to have the Parliamentary inquiry into it because there's been a bit of a cover up going on somewhere and we need to get to the bottom of it. I think people out there have a right to expect that elections, whether they be federal, state or local government. I carry it out in accordance with the laws and are done with integrity. And at the moment, I can't say I trust the process in local government elections and people should be alarmed with that.

Well, Stacey, I'm still planning to have the Parliamentary inquiry into it because there's been a bit of a cover up going on somewhere and we need to get to the bottom of it. I think people out there have a right to expect that elections, whether they be federal, state or local government. I carry it out in accordance with the laws and are done with integrity. And at the moment, I can't say I trust the process in local government elections and people should be alarmed with that.

We can't be having that. We need people to trust the process for elections. That's what we always say about our democracy in Australia is the beauty of living in Australia. We have the opportunity to vote in local council, state, federal elections and we need to be able to trust the integrity of them absolutely. Frank, appreciate your time. We'll stay in touch on the committee as well, and I'll follow the legislation through the Lower House when it's when it's up for a vote. Thank you, Frank Pangelo, Independent MLC. There it's time for the one thirty news headlines now, but we'll continue this discussion throughout the afternoon, so keep bringing in with your thoughts. Eight double two to three double oh is the number, or you can text them as well. Zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five will take some of your calls in the next half and we'll also talk about what could be in the federal budget.

We can't be having that. We need people to trust the process for elections. That's what we always say about our democracy in Australia is the beauty of living in Australia. We have the opportunity to vote in local council, state, federal elections and we need to be able to trust the integrity of them absolutely. Frank, appreciate your time. We'll stay in touch on the committee as well, and I'll follow the legislation through the Lower House when it's when it's up for a vote. Thank you, Frank Pangelo, Independent MLC. There it's time for the one thirty news headlines now, but we'll continue this discussion throughout the afternoon, so keep bringing in with your thoughts. Eight double two to three double oh is the number, or you can text them as well. Zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five will take some of your calls in the next half and we'll also talk about what could be in the federal budget.

Five double A afternoons with Stacy Lee twenty.

Five double A afternoons with Stacy Lee twenty.

Five minutes to two here on five double A. Getting a couple of text messages from you about what we should rename Adelaide. If we're going to get rid of the city of Churches, tag, what would you like it to be called instead? Ian in morphitt Vale on zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five says, I'd suggest the city of Festivals. A cousin of my father's was John Bishop, one of the prime movers of the Festival of the Arts. There go, I agree. I think it's got to be something to do with festivals. Mike says, I think Adelaide should be known as the Accessible city. The accessible city. Sounded like I said successful city then, which could be true as well, but the accessible city. Thank you for your suggestion, Mike, keep them coming. Eight double two to three double O double oh is the number to call or you can tell next zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. What should we call Adelaide? Wallace Cinema's family pass up for grabs for the best suggestion this afternoon. Now, I'm not sure anyone in Canberra is worried about what they're calling Adelaide today. They're all in their federal budget lock up and it will be handed down at seven thirty pm I think seven pm our time, seven thirty on the East Coast tonight, when the Treasurer hands down the final pre election budget under this government. I thought, let's talk about what we know what will be included, and what we know won't be included as well. Hailey Locke is a partner and tax partner at KPMG and joins you now, good afternoon.

Five minutes to two here on five double A. Getting a couple of text messages from you about what we should rename Adelaide. If we're going to get rid of the city of Churches, tag, what would you like it to be called instead? Ian in morphitt Vale on zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five says, I'd suggest the city of Festivals. A cousin of my father's was John Bishop, one of the prime movers of the Festival of the Arts. There go, I agree. I think it's got to be something to do with festivals. Mike says, I think Adelaide should be known as the Accessible city. The accessible city. Sounded like I said successful city then, which could be true as well, but the accessible city. Thank you for your suggestion, Mike, keep them coming. Eight double two to three double O double oh is the number to call or you can tell next zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. What should we call Adelaide? Wallace Cinema's family pass up for grabs for the best suggestion this afternoon. Now, I'm not sure anyone in Canberra is worried about what they're calling Adelaide today. They're all in their federal budget lock up and it will be handed down at seven thirty pm I think seven pm our time, seven thirty on the East Coast tonight, when the Treasurer hands down the final pre election budget under this government. I thought, let's talk about what we know what will be included, and what we know won't be included as well. Hailey Locke is a partner and tax partner at KPMG and joins you now, good afternoon.

Haley, Hi Stacy, How are you good?

Haley, Hi Stacy, How are you good?

How are you very well?

How are you very well?

Thank you? Very excited about tonight obviously being in pact.

Thank you? Very excited about tonight obviously being in pact.

I was about to say, this must be just, you know, the biggest day of the year for people who work in tax.

I was about to say, this must be just, you know, the biggest day of the year for people who work in tax.

Ye is evil Chris Avve or something like that. To be honest, though, this one's probably going to be a bit low key surprise budgets, So maybe I'm getting excited for nought.

Ye is evil Chris Avve or something like that. To be honest, though, this one's probably going to be a bit low key surprise budgets, So maybe I'm getting excited for nought.

It feels like we do already know a lot about what will be in the budget, of course, with the energy bill relief extension for the next six months, and you know the Stage three tax cuts that had already been announced and passed into legislation.

It feels like we do already know a lot about what will be in the budget, of course, with the energy bill relief extension for the next six months, and you know the Stage three tax cuts that had already been announced and passed into legislation.

Are you expecting any big surprises.

Are you expecting any big surprises.

To be honest, Stacy, no big surprises. I don't think I tend to focus on the area of individuals and employers.

To be honest, Stacy, no big surprises. I don't think I tend to focus on the area of individuals and employers.

Angel.

Angel.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Comparatively to the last budget where we were sort of staring down the barrel of the Stage three tax cuts, nothing as big as that is probably going to be on the horizon for us tonight. But you know, there are exactly like you said, a few costs of living measures that have come through which have been pre announced there. We'll see some more detail on those in the budget tonight. So we've got the energy bill rulife, as you said, So that's AE hundred and fifty dollars rebate that will take us through the end of this calendar year, and you'll see that coming during an electricity bill. We've got some tweaking around a new home ownership program called Help to Buy, where the government's kind of made that a little bit more accessible for people. So that opens up for applications later in this year, and there's a co contribution there that the government will make to the purchase of those homes with between thirty and forty percent.

Comparatively to the last budget where we were sort of staring down the barrel of the Stage three tax cuts, nothing as big as that is probably going to be on the horizon for us tonight. But you know, there are exactly like you said, a few costs of living measures that have come through which have been pre announced there. We'll see some more detail on those in the budget tonight. So we've got the energy bill rulife, as you said, So that's AE hundred and fifty dollars rebate that will take us through the end of this calendar year, and you'll see that coming during an electricity bill. We've got some tweaking around a new home ownership program called Help to Buy, where the government's kind of made that a little bit more accessible for people. So that opens up for applications later in this year, and there's a co contribution there that the government will make to the purchase of those homes with between thirty and forty percent.

It's going to be.

It's going to be.

Pretty competitive though, because it's only ten thousand places per year for four years. And then the other one that's out there in the ether is we've had a little bit of an announcements around expansion, spolt billing and reducing the cost of medicine. So there's some of the things that we've seen in the last few weeks. There were also some announcements towards the end of last calendar year that we will actually see for the budget in the first time this year.

Pretty competitive though, because it's only ten thousand places per year for four years. And then the other one that's out there in the ether is we've had a little bit of an announcements around expansion, spolt billing and reducing the cost of medicine. So there's some of the things that we've seen in the last few weeks. There were also some announcements towards the end of last calendar year that we will actually see for the budget in the first time this year.

Okay, what are they?

Okay, what are they?

Yeah, so those ones are actually quite big as well. Particularly is a big one for anyone who's got a hex or a help debt or a university debt. So that was announced at the end of last calendar year, so we'll see that in the budget this time around in terms of the numbers. But what that is is that from the first of June this year, the budget's actually cutting twenty percent of student debt balances and they're also changing the way that they calculate help repayments as well, and so there's some sort of windfall games there, I think to the three million Australians who will who will benefit from that change the age you don't have to apply for that one. The AH is going to automatically do that for you, which is a good outcome. And so yeah, we'll see the numbers come through it in the budget tonight.

Yeah, so those ones are actually quite big as well. Particularly is a big one for anyone who's got a hex or a help debt or a university debt. So that was announced at the end of last calendar year, so we'll see that in the budget this time around in terms of the numbers. But what that is is that from the first of June this year, the budget's actually cutting twenty percent of student debt balances and they're also changing the way that they calculate help repayments as well, and so there's some sort of windfall games there, I think to the three million Australians who will who will benefit from that change the age you don't have to apply for that one. The AH is going to automatically do that for you, which is a good outcome. And so yeah, we'll see the numbers come through it in the budget tonight.

As in how much that will impact the correct budget. There'll be a loss, Yeah, there wouldn't they Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and has some changes to do with childcare as well.

As in how much that will impact the correct budget. There'll be a loss, Yeah, there wouldn't they Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and has some changes to do with childcare as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So again these are sort of scheduled to start on the physics anuary and there's some subsidies there in terms of essentially the idea behind this is to give three days of subsidized child care to all families in Australia and so again a pretty kind of critical change. These are sort of tweaks that they're either i think in terms of cost of living measures, but that you can see the government kind of targeting different parts of the population in terms of, you know, students versus those as families. The Energy bill is obviously something that impact most people, you know, new homeowners, and so you can sort of see those kind of things coming there in terms of those costs of living measures, but we're certainly not expecting anything anything much larger than that tonight for individuals and employers.

So again these are sort of scheduled to start on the physics anuary and there's some subsidies there in terms of essentially the idea behind this is to give three days of subsidized child care to all families in Australia and so again a pretty kind of critical change. These are sort of tweaks that they're either i think in terms of cost of living measures, but that you can see the government kind of targeting different parts of the population in terms of, you know, students versus those as families. The Energy bill is obviously something that impact most people, you know, new homeowners, and so you can sort of see those kind of things coming there in terms of those costs of living measures, but we're certainly not expecting anything anything much larger than that tonight for individuals and employers.

Yeah, okay, And so how does it work with this budget? Hayley it it'll be announced tonight, and then of course we know we'll be heading into an election campaign and there'll be a whole heap of promises thrown around from either side. Will those promises have to be included in this budget? So will the Labor Party have to give up some of their you know, some of their tricks and what they've got up their sleeve tonight or do those announcements, I guess, get promised during the election campaign and then if the party wins, get budgeted for in next year's budget.

Yeah, okay, And so how does it work with this budget? Hayley it it'll be announced tonight, and then of course we know we'll be heading into an election campaign and there'll be a whole heap of promises thrown around from either side. Will those promises have to be included in this budget? So will the Labor Party have to give up some of their you know, some of their tricks and what they've got up their sleeve tonight or do those announcements, I guess, get promised during the election campaign and then if the party wins, get budgeted for in next year's budget.

It's totably, probably to some degree the latter. And so look, there'll be an expectation that there'll be some measures announced tonight and that they'll there'll be a bit, but there's there's always potentially the capacity more. I think what would be really interesting will be to see the response of the opposition on Thursday. So obviously Jim Chalmers has his moment in the sun this evening and then we'll hear from the other side on Thursday, and so it'll be interesting men to kind of compare the costings of the two measures and and see sort of where all of that lands.

It's totably, probably to some degree the latter. And so look, there'll be an expectation that there'll be some measures announced tonight and that they'll there'll be a bit, but there's there's always potentially the capacity more. I think what would be really interesting will be to see the response of the opposition on Thursday. So obviously Jim Chalmers has his moment in the sun this evening and then we'll hear from the other side on Thursday, and so it'll be interesting men to kind of compare the costings of the two measures and and see sort of where all of that lands.

Yeah, yeah, because so far it's felt with some of the announcements that we've had in the unofficial campaign so far that there's been bipartisan support on a lot of it. A lot of the health announcements and Medicare and adding different medicines to the PBS, they've had bipartisan support. So if you're not voting on social issues like rolling back work from home or introducing a department of what is it, Department of Government Accountability or something like that, if you're not voting on one of those election matters, it doesn't feel like there's a whole heap of difference. Or of course nuclear energy, but we might see that difference in the response on Thursday from the opposition.

Yeah, yeah, because so far it's felt with some of the announcements that we've had in the unofficial campaign so far that there's been bipartisan support on a lot of it. A lot of the health announcements and Medicare and adding different medicines to the PBS, they've had bipartisan support. So if you're not voting on social issues like rolling back work from home or introducing a department of what is it, Department of Government Accountability or something like that, if you're not voting on one of those election matters, it doesn't feel like there's a whole heap of difference. Or of course nuclear energy, but we might see that difference in the response on Thursday from the opposition.

Yeah, I think it'll be really interesting to see, certainly from some a tax measures perspective, if there's anything that the opposition sort of has in mind DARE and cancer changes.

Yeah, I think it'll be really interesting to see, certainly from some a tax measures perspective, if there's anything that the opposition sort of has in mind DARE and cancer changes.

As an expert in tax and a partner with KPMG, do you have an opinion on bracket creep? This is an issue that I think has been lurking in the background for well years now, but it doesn't seem like either party wants to address bracket creep because if they address it, it means more less tax that they get from people. But it's something that really effects well every household really.

As an expert in tax and a partner with KPMG, do you have an opinion on bracket creep? This is an issue that I think has been lurking in the background for well years now, but it doesn't seem like either party wants to address bracket creep because if they address it, it means more less tax that they get from people. But it's something that really effects well every household really.

Yeah, absolutely, And look, I think that was obviously part of what the previous Stage three tax cuts we're trying to address, and it is something that I think when we're looking at tax policy we need to take into it two account. But I think probably from a tax policy perspective, you really need to look at the broader system and it's all aspects of the tax and transfer system. When you're making big decisions about that about about the future of Australian economy and really want to sort of target our spending and our support for people. There's actually quite a lot of different leavers that you can pull in taxes. Potentially only one of those leaders, and so I think there's lots of areas that are right for tax reform, and certainly individual taxation is one of is one of a key area.

Yeah, absolutely, And look, I think that was obviously part of what the previous Stage three tax cuts we're trying to address, and it is something that I think when we're looking at tax policy we need to take into it two account. But I think probably from a tax policy perspective, you really need to look at the broader system and it's all aspects of the tax and transfer system. When you're making big decisions about that about about the future of Australian economy and really want to sort of target our spending and our support for people. There's actually quite a lot of different leavers that you can pull in taxes. Potentially only one of those leaders, and so I think there's lots of areas that are right for tax reform, and certainly individual taxation is one of is one of a key area.

Ah Okay, what other changes would you like to see?

Ah Okay, what other changes would you like to see?

Oh, it's just interesting. I think if you look at you know, say, for example, that the difference between federal and state taxation and where we might be able to get some efficiencies on that front. If you look at other international jurisdictions in the way that they sort of structure things like their GST and their VAT. There's lots of different options that a government might have, Like I said, lots of different leaders that we're able to pull to sort of look at what might sort of be their most most efficient changes. But you know, I think anyone who works in the tax profession, you know, it's been a long time since we've had really big structural changes, and I think we're all very aware of the political sensitivities around that as well, So you know, it'll be sort of interesting to see sort of what appetite a future government might.

Oh, it's just interesting. I think if you look at you know, say, for example, that the difference between federal and state taxation and where we might be able to get some efficiencies on that front. If you look at other international jurisdictions in the way that they sort of structure things like their GST and their VAT. There's lots of different options that a government might have, Like I said, lots of different leaders that we're able to pull to sort of look at what might sort of be their most most efficient changes. But you know, I think anyone who works in the tax profession, you know, it's been a long time since we've had really big structural changes, and I think we're all very aware of the political sensitivities around that as well, So you know, it'll be sort of interesting to see sort of what appetite a future government might.

Have for that.

Have for that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it doesn't sound like either side really want to address it at the moment.

Yeah, it doesn't sound like either side really want to address it at the moment.

It's really hard when we're sort of you can kind of appreciate it when we're on the sort of cycles that we are, but certainly it's something that we always remain hopeful within the tax profession.

It's really hard when we're sort of you can kind of appreciate it when we're on the sort of cycles that we are, but certainly it's something that we always remain hopeful within the tax profession.

Well that's good. I'm glad to say the tax professions hopeful. Maybe that means the rest of us should be as well.

Well that's good. I'm glad to say the tax professions hopeful. Maybe that means the rest of us should be as well.

Well.

Well.

Hailey, thank you for your time, appreciate your insights this afternoon, and yeah, I'll be watching tonight we'll see what's announced.

Hailey, thank you for your time, appreciate your insights this afternoon, and yeah, I'll be watching tonight we'll see what's announced.

Thanks so much, Stacey, it's been lovely talking with you.

Thanks so much, Stacey, it's been lovely talking with you.

You too. That's Hailey Lock from KPMG Tax Partner. What do you think Do you think either side are brave enough to address bracket creep? I don't think so. I think they like to see the taxes come in too much. It would be I think it would be a vote winner, absolutely, if they were going to index the different taxation brackets at CPI increases so you didn't get a pay rise and then get taxed more if you move into the next bracket. I think it's a great idea. I reckon it would be a vote winner. What do you think? Eight double two to three double oh is the number to call, and we'll take some calls after this on either the federal budget, What are your thoughts on Jim Chalmers handing it down tonight or the opposition are looking forward to the opposition's response on Thursday, or if you'd like to talk about local council elections. The number to call eight double two to three, double O, double.

You too. That's Hailey Lock from KPMG Tax Partner. What do you think Do you think either side are brave enough to address bracket creep? I don't think so. I think they like to see the taxes come in too much. It would be I think it would be a vote winner, absolutely, if they were going to index the different taxation brackets at CPI increases so you didn't get a pay rise and then get taxed more if you move into the next bracket. I think it's a great idea. I reckon it would be a vote winner. What do you think? Eight double two to three double oh is the number to call, and we'll take some calls after this on either the federal budget, What are your thoughts on Jim Chalmers handing it down tonight or the opposition are looking forward to the opposition's response on Thursday, or if you'd like to talk about local council elections. The number to call eight double two to three, double O, double.

Oh, five double A afternoons with Stacy Lee ten minutes.

Oh, five double A afternoons with Stacy Lee ten minutes.

To two Here on five double A after two o'clock it's Talk Back Gardening with Diane Hall from Newman's Nursery. So if you've got a gardening question for Die, get it ready. We'll be taking your calls after two and there's a fifty dollars voucher up for grabs for Newman's Nursery for one caller between two and two thirty, So make sure if you have a question, you ask it today. But now we're taking your calls on any of the matters we've been discussing here on the afternoon's program. Maybe you've got some thoughts on the federal budget tonight. Would you like to see bracket creep addressed. Maybe you've got a suggestion on what we should rename the city of Adelaide in terms of the city of Churches. Is the you know, the old the old nickname that Adelaie has had forever, the City of Churches. I personally hate it. I don't really know why we have to have the City of Churches. I think there are lots better names out there, including this one from Ian. The City of Festivals, I think is a great one. Mike thinks the Accessible City is a good one. And then this text there's no name on it. Send me a name. I love this. The you ain't getting in my lane mate, state. I like it. It's a bit long for a h I've had a mind blank the little plates number plates a car number plate. The you ain't getting in my lane mate state. But it's very relevant, that's for sure. Keep your suggestions coming eight double two to three, double o, double oh. Or maybe you'd like to talk about local government elections and Mark Brindle, former Minister for Local Government and regular listener to the Afternoon's programmers, called in.

To two Here on five double A after two o'clock it's Talk Back Gardening with Diane Hall from Newman's Nursery. So if you've got a gardening question for Die, get it ready. We'll be taking your calls after two and there's a fifty dollars voucher up for grabs for Newman's Nursery for one caller between two and two thirty, So make sure if you have a question, you ask it today. But now we're taking your calls on any of the matters we've been discussing here on the afternoon's program. Maybe you've got some thoughts on the federal budget tonight. Would you like to see bracket creep addressed. Maybe you've got a suggestion on what we should rename the city of Adelaide in terms of the city of Churches. Is the you know, the old the old nickname that Adelaie has had forever, the City of Churches. I personally hate it. I don't really know why we have to have the City of Churches. I think there are lots better names out there, including this one from Ian. The City of Festivals, I think is a great one. Mike thinks the Accessible City is a good one. And then this text there's no name on it. Send me a name. I love this. The you ain't getting in my lane mate, state. I like it. It's a bit long for a h I've had a mind blank the little plates number plates a car number plate. The you ain't getting in my lane mate state. But it's very relevant, that's for sure. Keep your suggestions coming eight double two to three, double o, double oh. Or maybe you'd like to talk about local government elections and Mark Brindle, former Minister for Local Government and regular listener to the Afternoon's programmers, called in.

Hello Mark, Hi Stacey, how are you good?

Hello Mark, Hi Stacey, how are you good?

Then?

Then?

Thank you Stacey. I was responsible for the City of Adelaide Act under the Olsen government. And the reason let me explain one thing to your listeners first. The reason that oversees nationals get a vote at all, which is unusual and it's not allowed. I don't think in general council elections outside the city is as follows. The city is the most wealthy local government area in this state by a country mile. The biggest landlord in the city, the biggest owner of property in the city is the state government, who doesn't exercise a vote. So the thousands of people that go into the city like you go into the city every single day and contribute to the wealth of the city, have no say in local government. So what we wanted to do in the city was expand the franchise as much as we could. Now, I know overseas students and I'm not against Frank's amendment, but I know overseas students are not Australian nationals. But they come here and they spend a lot of money and they live in the city for four years. And that was the rationale. You're living in the city for four years, you are part of the economy of the city. Therefore, is it wrong to give you a say? And remember it's voluntary. They don't have to do that. Frank's now waxing lyrical. And you know one of my great bug bears is every parliament thinks that any parliament that went before them were a mob of fools, and they know better. They never ask anyone who's been there before, never seek reasons, always come on your program and in a sense, try and reinvent the wheel.

Thank you Stacey. I was responsible for the City of Adelaide Act under the Olsen government. And the reason let me explain one thing to your listeners first. The reason that oversees nationals get a vote at all, which is unusual and it's not allowed. I don't think in general council elections outside the city is as follows. The city is the most wealthy local government area in this state by a country mile. The biggest landlord in the city, the biggest owner of property in the city is the state government, who doesn't exercise a vote. So the thousands of people that go into the city like you go into the city every single day and contribute to the wealth of the city, have no say in local government. So what we wanted to do in the city was expand the franchise as much as we could. Now, I know overseas students and I'm not against Frank's amendment, but I know overseas students are not Australian nationals. But they come here and they spend a lot of money and they live in the city for four years. And that was the rationale. You're living in the city for four years, you are part of the economy of the city. Therefore, is it wrong to give you a say? And remember it's voluntary. They don't have to do that. Frank's now waxing lyrical. And you know one of my great bug bears is every parliament thinks that any parliament that went before them were a mob of fools, and they know better. They never ask anyone who's been there before, never seek reasons, always come on your program and in a sense, try and reinvent the wheel.

Well, I mean, isn't that just learning? Isn't don't we all we all are all entitled to change our minds. We're all entitled to say, oh, that was probably a mistake, so.

Well, I mean, isn't that just learning? Isn't don't we all we all are all entitled to change our minds. We're all entitled to say, oh, that was probably a mistake, so.

Will It's not that. It's not that tracy, it's how do you progress in society. You learn from your mistakes, and you learn, first of all, you must understand what your mistakes were. If you don't learn the lessons of history, as the saying goes, you're bound to repeat them. Frank was waxing lyrical about these students being manipulated. Let me tell your listeners, and I think a lot of them that my age would know. The city of Adelaide originally had a property franchise and the big property owners in Sydney controlled the city council votes in the Adelaide Corporation. The City of Adelaide have been manipulated my entire lifetime. Henry Ninio, ex Lord Mayor, and you don't have to beat this out because they're both dead so you can't be seen. Henry Ninio, the ex Lord Mayor, and Steve Condace, the ex Lord Mayor, basically said to me, the person who has got the ear of, if you like, the controller of the Central Market can determine who the Lord Mayor is, because all the stallholders had a vote in those days, and what would happen there.

Will It's not that. It's not that tracy, it's how do you progress in society. You learn from your mistakes, and you learn, first of all, you must understand what your mistakes were. If you don't learn the lessons of history, as the saying goes, you're bound to repeat them. Frank was waxing lyrical about these students being manipulated. Let me tell your listeners, and I think a lot of them that my age would know. The city of Adelaide originally had a property franchise and the big property owners in Sydney controlled the city council votes in the Adelaide Corporation. The City of Adelaide have been manipulated my entire lifetime. Henry Ninio, ex Lord Mayor, and you don't have to beat this out because they're both dead so you can't be seen. Henry Ninio, the ex Lord Mayor, and Steve Condace, the ex Lord Mayor, basically said to me, the person who has got the ear of, if you like, the controller of the Central Market can determine who the Lord Mayor is, because all the stallholders had a vote in those days, and what would happen there.

So that was changed, wasn't it.

So that was changed, wasn't it.

Oh yeah, and it was changed, and it was changed to expand the vote. Now we're still getting this bit of manipulation by the court found in the student sector. But what I'm saying is it has ever been thus. It is probably thus because we've got voluntary voting.

Oh yeah, and it was changed, and it was changed to expand the vote. Now we're still getting this bit of manipulation by the court found in the student sector. But what I'm saying is it has ever been thus. It is probably thus because we've got voluntary voting.

Now, So do you think do you agree with changing vote?

Now, So do you think do you agree with changing vote?

No, not at all, not while we've got the electoral system we've got, Because how the hell, Tracy, I mean, you've talked about the number of councils we've got. Nobody really is interested in local government elections. Look at the turnout. It's as as easy as pie to vote, and nobody turns out because they're not interested. And when you've got something like seventeen or eighteen councils. The problem with democracy is not only exercising a vote, it's that the vote should be informed. The vote should be informed.

No, not at all, not while we've got the electoral system we've got, Because how the hell, Tracy, I mean, you've talked about the number of councils we've got. Nobody really is interested in local government elections. Look at the turnout. It's as as easy as pie to vote, and nobody turns out because they're not interested. And when you've got something like seventeen or eighteen councils. The problem with democracy is not only exercising a vote, it's that the vote should be informed. The vote should be informed.

How do you just because we have a low voter turnout doesn't mean we should allow anyone who lives in the city for a couple of years to vote.

How do you just because we have a low voter turnout doesn't mean we should allow anyone who lives in the city for a couple of years to vote.

I'm just yes, I don't disagree with I don't necessarily disagree with Frank about that. The dilemma we had was how do we expand the vote enough to try and dilute the possibility of rigging. Because I could look, if I'd found a way that people like you who work in there every day by coffee, in their every day spend money every day, could be included to vote for the city council, I would have had it because I figure that if you spend money in the city, if you contribute to the city's wealth, and you know you're a resident, etc. You've got a right to have a vote. But no one, including me, and you know, no one in government could suggest to me a way that we could improve the quality of voting and the right of people to vote in the city because I said, thousands of public servants can't vote.

I'm just yes, I don't disagree with I don't necessarily disagree with Frank about that. The dilemma we had was how do we expand the vote enough to try and dilute the possibility of rigging. Because I could look, if I'd found a way that people like you who work in there every day by coffee, in their every day spend money every day, could be included to vote for the city council, I would have had it because I figure that if you spend money in the city, if you contribute to the city's wealth, and you know you're a resident, etc. You've got a right to have a vote. But no one, including me, and you know, no one in government could suggest to me a way that we could improve the quality of voting and the right of people to vote in the city because I said, thousands of public servants can't vote.

Well yeah, well we're coming up to the two o'clock news, so I've got to leave it they. I've got to say, politely disagree with you on that one, Mark Brindle, I don't actually want to vote in the Adelaide City Council elections. I might work in the city and contribute to the economy.

Well yeah, well we're coming up to the two o'clock news, so I've got to leave it they. I've got to say, politely disagree with you on that one, Mark Brindle, I don't actually want to vote in the Adelaide City Council elections. I might work in the city and contribute to the economy.

I vote in my local council, right, you should have the right I.

I vote in my local council, right, you should have the right I.

Vote in my local council. Election. And I don't think foreign nationals and international students should be allowed to vote in the Adelaide City Council election if they're only here for a short period of time. That's what I That's what I think. But we'll see what the Parliament thinks. I guess if they'd like to change it.

Vote in my local council. Election. And I don't think foreign nationals and international students should be allowed to vote in the Adelaide City Council election if they're only here for a short period of time. That's what I That's what I think. But we'll see what the Parliament thinks. I guess if they'd like to change it.

Yep, you're right, that's and they should. You know, I'd actually vote for that change. I wish I could still expand the fantis.

Yep, you're right, that's and they should. You know, I'd actually vote for that change. I wish I could still expand the fantis.

Yeah, okay, all right, well, appreciate your thoughts. Thank you for calling in. It's Mark Brindle, former Minister for Local Government. What do you think? Eight double two to three double o double Oh, it's time for the two o'clock news and then it's Talk Back Gardening with Die Hall. So if you've got a question for her, get on the phone.

Yeah, okay, all right, well, appreciate your thoughts. Thank you for calling in. It's Mark Brindle, former Minister for Local Government. What do you think? Eight double two to three double o double Oh, it's time for the two o'clock news and then it's Talk Back Gardening with Die Hall. So if you've got a question for her, get on the phone.

Five double A afternoon with Stacy Lee.

Five double A afternoon with Stacy Lee.

Good afternoon to you and a happy Tuesday. Talking about what we should rename South Australia this afternoon. If you think we should get rid of the City of Churches, tag and you've got another suggestion. Eight double two to three double O double O is the number to call, or you can text it through zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. We'll get the thoughts of Dan Schmidt, editor of the Adelaide Mail, within this hour. But first, it's a Tuesday afternoon, so you know what time it is.

Good afternoon to you and a happy Tuesday. Talking about what we should rename South Australia this afternoon. If you think we should get rid of the City of Churches, tag and you've got another suggestion. Eight double two to three double O double O is the number to call, or you can text it through zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. We'll get the thoughts of Dan Schmidt, editor of the Adelaide Mail, within this hour. But first, it's a Tuesday afternoon, so you know what time it is.

To help you build your gardener, Diane Hall from Newman's Nursery is here to answer your gardening questions.

To help you build your gardener, Diane Hall from Newman's Nursery is here to answer your gardening questions.

Helping us build our gardens. Up but a cup. Diane Hall from Newman's Nursery, Good afternoon to you. Hello, Hi Stacy, thanks for your time.

Helping us build our gardens. Up but a cup. Diane Hall from Newman's Nursery, Good afternoon to you. Hello, Hi Stacy, thanks for your time.

Oh, always a pleasure. And Stacey, I've got a suggestion. It's obvious to me we should be the City of Roses.

Oh, always a pleasure. And Stacey, I've got a suggestion. It's obvious to me we should be the City of Roses.

Oh, the City of Roses.

Oh, the City of Roses.

We have the International ros Trial Guns in the Adelais Botanic Gardens. We have magnificent rose guns in the Adelais Botanic Guns. We have rose guns all around the City of Adelaide in whether it's bill gardens or you know, they're just everywhere in the medium streets. So and we're the rose capital of Australia. So the City of Roses. It is obvious.

We have the International ros Trial Guns in the Adelais Botanic Gardens. We have magnificent rose guns in the Adelais Botanic Guns. We have rose guns all around the City of Adelaide in whether it's bill gardens or you know, they're just everywhere in the medium streets. So and we're the rose capital of Australia. So the City of Roses. It is obvious.

I'm like that a street near me has some beautiful sort of pink and white sort of hybrid roses that just grow on the side of the street. And I said to my husband the other day, does someone look after those because they are always in bloom like they are beautiful?

I'm like that a street near me has some beautiful sort of pink and white sort of hybrid roses that just grow on the side of the street. And I said to my husband the other day, does someone look after those because they are always in bloom like they are beautiful?

They are.

They are.

Yeah, that's it. We seem to always have something flowering in Adelaide. That is the sure when it comes to roses. Yeah, yeah, general, today I thought we could talk about autumn flowering camilles.

Yeah, that's it. We seem to always have something flowering in Adelaide. That is the sure when it comes to roses. Yeah, yeah, general, today I thought we could talk about autumn flowering camilles.