Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins the show to discuss how Australia should approach the second Trump presidency.

Malcolm Turnbull, Australia’s 29th Prime Minister, joins Dr Emma Shortis to discuss why sucking up to Trump will get Australian leaders nowhere and how the AUKUS “shocker” is making Australia more dependent on the United States, right at the time America is becoming less dependable.

This discussion was recorded on Friday 8 November 2024 US time and things may have changed since recording.

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Guest: Malcolm Turnbull, 29th Prime Minister of Australia // @TurnbullMalcolm

Host: Emma Shortis, Director of International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // @EmmaShortis

Show notes:

‘The Bad Guys: How to Deal with our Illiberal Friends’, Australian Foreign Affairs (October 2022)

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Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins the show to discuss how Australia should approach the second Trump presidency.
Malcolm Turnbull, Australia’s 29th Prime Minister, joins Dr Emma Shortis to discuss why sucking up to Trump will get Australian leaders nowhere and how the AUKUS “shocker” is making Australia more dependent on the United States, right at the time America is becoming less dependable.
This discussion was recorded on Friday 8 November 2024 US time and things may have changed since recording.
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Guest: Malcolm Turnbull, 29th Prime Minister of Australia // <a href="https://x.com/TurnbullMalcolm">@TurnbullMalcolm</a>
Host: Emma Shortis, Director of International &amp; Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://x.com/EmmaShortis">@EmmaShortis</a>
Show notes:
<a href="https://www.australianforeignaffairs.com/">‘The Bad Guys: How to Deal with our Illiberal Friends’</a>, Australian Foreign Affairs (October 2022)
Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions
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