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Australia traded sovereignty for security with the AUKUS submarine deal, but it might end up with neither.

On this episode of After America, Malcolm Turnbull, Australia’s 29th Prime Minister, joins Dr Emma Shortis to discuss Trump’s AUKUS review, Anthony Albanese’s meeting with Trump, and why Australia doesn’t share values with the US administration.

This discussion was recorded on Monday 16 June 2025 and things may have changed since recording.

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Guest: Malcolm Turnbull, Australia’s 29th Prime Minister // @TurnbullMalcolm

Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // @emmashortis

Show notes:

AUKUS is a disaster for Australia. Trump has given us an out – let’s take it by Emma Shortis, The Sydney Morning Herald (June 2025)

Australia must resist US bullying to increase its military spending by Allan Behm, Guardian Australia (June 2025)

Navy Virginia-Class Submarine Program and AUKUS Submarine (Pillar 1) Project: Background and Issues for Congress, Congressional Research Service (February 2025)

Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions

We’d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au.

Australia traded sovereignty for security with the AUKUS submarine deal, but it might end up with neither.
On this episode of After America, Malcolm Turnbull, Australia&rsquo;s 29th Prime Minister, joins Dr Emma Shortis to discuss Trump&rsquo;s AUKUS review, Anthony Albanese&rsquo;s meeting with Trump, and why Australia doesn&rsquo;t share values with the US administration.
This discussion was recorded on Monday 16 June 2025 and things may have changed since recording.
You can <a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/aukus_parliamentary_inquiry_now">sign our petition</a> calling on the Australian Government to launch a parliamentary inquiry into AUKUS.
Our independence is our strength &ndash; and only you can make that possible. By donating to the Australia Institute&rsquo;s <a href="https://theaus.in/EOFY2025AA">End of Financial Year appeal</a> today, you'll help fund the research changing Australia for the better.
Order &lsquo;After America: Australia and the new world order&rsquo; or become a foundation subscriber to&nbsp;Vantage Point&nbsp;at&nbsp;<a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store">australiainstitute.org.au/store</a>.
Guest: Malcolm Turnbull, Australia&rsquo;s 29th Prime Minister // <a href="https://x.com/TurnbullMalcolm">@TurnbullMalcolm</a>
Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International &amp; Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/emmashortis.bsky.social">@emmashortis</a>
Show notes:
<a href="https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/aukus-is-a-disaster-for-australia-trump-has-given-us-an-out-let-s-take-it-20250612-p5m6xh.html">AUKUS is a disaster for Australia. Trump has given us an out &ndash; let&rsquo;s take it</a> by Emma Shortis, The Sydney Morning Herald (June 2025)
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/03/australia-must-resist-us-bullying-to-increase-its-military-spending">Australia must resist US bullying to increase its military spending</a> by Allan Behm, Guardian Australia (June 2025)
<a href="https://sgp.fas.org/crs/weapons/RL32418.pdf">Navy Virginia-Class Submarine Program and AUKUS Submarine (Pillar 1) Project: Background and Issues for Congress</a>, Congressional Research Service (February 2025)
Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions
We&rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to <a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au">podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au</a>.

The United States we thought we knew is gone. And it isn’t coming back. 

Every week on After America, Dr Emma Shortis examines the second Trump presidency, what’s happening in global politics, and how Australia can help shape our rapidly changing world for the better. 

Presented by the Australia Institute.

The United States we thought we knew is gone. And it isn&rsquo;t coming back.&nbsp;
Every week on After America, Dr Emma Shortis examines the second Trump presidency, what&rsquo;s happening in global politics, and how Australia can help shape our rapidly changing world for the better.&nbsp;
Presented by the Australia Institute.

After America

Australia traded sovereignty for security with the AUKUS submarine deal, but it might end up with neither.

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