The ANZUS treaty

The substance of the Australia-US relationship

Australia's role in rule-setting

Principles for foreign policy

Costs of inaction

The Australia-United States relationship is strong in spite of the flawed defence partnership.

On this episode of After America, Allan Behm and Dr Emma Shortis discuss 75 years of the ANZUS treaty, the Trump administration’s assault on international law, and what confident, capable Australian foreign policy could look like.

This episode was recorded Friday 28 August.

New Game, New Rules: A foreign policy for dystopian times by Allan Behm is available now from Australia Institute Press for $19.95.

Guest: Allan Behm, Special Advisor, International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute

Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // @emmashortis

Show notes:

ANZUS and Australia’s Security by Allan Behm, the Australia Institute (July 2020)

After America: Australia and the new world order by Emma Shortis, Australia Institute Press (May 2025)

Shorter America: Oh, Dolly; We're not ready; Barely Gettin' By by Emma Shortis, The Point (August 2026)

Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions

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The Australia-United States relationship is strong in spite of the flawed defence partnership.
On this episode of After America, Allan Behm and Dr Emma Shortis discuss 75 years of the ANZUS treaty, the Trump administration&rsquo;s assault on international law, and what confident, capable Australian foreign policy could look like.
This episode was recorded Friday 28 August.
<a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/new-game-new-rules">New Game, New Rules: A foreign policy for dystopian times</a> by Allan Behm is available now from Australia Institute Press for $19.95.
Guest: Allan Behm, Special Advisor, International &amp; Security Affairs, the Australia Institute
Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International &amp; Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/emmashortis.bsky.social">@emmashortis</a>
Show notes:
<a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/anzus-and-australias-security/">ANZUS and Australia&rsquo;s Security</a> by Allan Behm, the Australia Institute (July 2020)
<a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/after-america-vantage-point-issue-1">After America: Australia and the new world order</a> by Emma Shortis, Australia Institute Press (May 2025)
<a href="https://thepoint.com.au/new/260828-shorter-america-this-week">Shorter America: Oh, Dolly; We're not ready; Barely Gettin' By</a> by Emma Shortis, The Point (August 2026)
Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions
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The United States we thought we knew is gone. And it isn’t coming back. 

Every week on After America, Dr Emma Shortis examines the second Trump presidency, its impact at home and abroad, and how Australia can help shape our rapidly changing world for the better. 

Presented by the Australia Institute.

The United States we thought we knew is gone. And it isn&rsquo;t coming back.&nbsp;
Every week on After America, Dr Emma Shortis examines the second Trump presidency, its impact at home and abroad, and how Australia can help shape our rapidly changing world for the better.&nbsp;
Presented by the Australia Institute.

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The Australia-United States relationship is strong in spite of the flawed defence partnership.