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It's a Numbers Game: The Numbers Behind Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Published Apr 28, 2025, 12:00 PM

In this episode, Ryan and Marc Caputo discuss the first 100 days of Trump's presidency, focusing on key issues such as immigration, tariffs, and the political landscape. They analyze the successes and failures of Trump's policies, the impact on the Republican party, and how these factors may influence future elections. It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Girdusky is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday. 

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Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Grudowski. Thank you for being here for another week. Very excited. This is a jam packed week with news. You have the Pope's funeral over the weekend, the Canadian federal election today. My birthday is tomorrow, if he wants to shout that out. And Trump's one hundredth day in office is on Wednesday. So a very busy week, a very exciting week to do, and I want to talk to you about the pinnacle of Wednesday. About Trump's first one hundred days in office. Technically it's his second one hundred first days in office because it's, you know, the first non consecutive presidence in scuover Cleveland. I don't know what you call it, but that's what it is. Going into his second term, many in the media expected Trump to be a lame duck president that they couldn't do very much because he only had one term to serve unless they change the constitution and he can run for a third term, which I'm going to guess is unlikely. So here are some numbers behind Trump's second one hundred days. He has so far issued one hundred and thirty seven executive order, a record breaking number, signed five billion to law and stated that he would put tariffs of over eleven percent on fifty seven countries. Now always passed relatively few laws, Joe Biden and Georgie of b Bush signed seven during their first one hundred days. Barack Obama signed eleven bill Clinton had twenty one, and actually Trump's in his first terms first first one hundred days signed the most, a twenty four according to the UK and Dependent. I think when you look down and you boil downs for Trump's first one hundred days of his second term, you come down to three big issues. The three issues that have defined these last one hundred days defined it, especially in the eyes of the media. They are DOGE, immigration and trade. So let's start with DOGE. At the behest of the president, Elon Musk began working to slash spending and make the federal government more efficient. He announced the last week. Elon Musk announced last week rather that he's going to step away slightly from the role as I guess he's not head of DOGE but overseeing consulting DOGE, but the team he's created it will still be in charge of the federal agency's dog is set to sunset on July fourth, twenty twenty six. So I guess for the next fourteen months they'll continue. Now, while the group received a lot of praise from conservatives who cheered that he's going to end and he's ended contracts and useless federal agencies and programs like USAID because he gutted that one, musk has claimed that dog has saved taxpayers one hundred and fifty billion dollars. That's a lot of money. Heck, I think when you've deficits this high, anything in the billions as far as cutting is a lot of money. But the one hundred and fifty billion dollar claim is just fifteen percent of what Trump promised. When it comes to waste for ant abuse, I remember he originally promised two trillion dollars in cuts, and then when he president came into office, it was one trillion. Now it's got to me it was one hundred and fifty billion. When the New York Times looked at the numbers, it gets a little murkier. According to the New York Times, sixty percent or ninety two point two billion of that one hundred and fifty billion dollars came from uniemized savings things that are very hard to prove. The savings that are easy to prove, that they can justifiably prove is thirty two point five billion in itemized grants, twenty four point eight billion in itemized contracts, and three hundred and ninety seven million in itemized leases. Basically empty offices of the building that the government was wasting money on it empty offices and buildings across DC. So from what we can itemize from savings, dough just save tax payers that we know of. Definitely that we know of fifty eight billion dollars. Now that's not nothing. I believed in order to balance a budget, you need to cut anywhere you possibly can. I'm all for cutting wasteful spending and to do whatever they can. And it's important for Trump because he needs to sit there in quote unquote pay for tax cuts. He needs to sit there and try to balance the budget. It's part of his campaign from US. But DOGE as a whole came with a lot of attacks on both Trump and Elon Musk. Elon Musk's negative numbers have increased substantially during his time at DOGE, and we saw a series of lawsuits over whether who we could fire, what contracts he could end, and what happened to any sensitive federal data he access was the apple worth the bite. I guess we'll see, but Doge hasn't seen the level of spending cuts that they hoped for. But I guess stories on Doge seem so thirty days ago in this administration. The current crisis the media is really obsessing over is Trump's handling of mass deportations. So let's get some numbers on that. The numbers of illegal aliens who were apprehended our southern border in both February and March of twenty twenty five were twenty two thousand, seven hundred and twenty six. That's according to the Border Patrol. Those are both during months that Trump was fully president, so he was fully in charged. Twenty two thousand, seven hundred and twenty six aliens apprehended at the border, with very very very few being released. In the year prior February and March twenty twenty four, when Biden was still president, seventy two illegal aliens came to our southern border, with many being released into the interior of the United States. So just by enforcement the law already in the books, but Trump did not get any new laws. When it comes to the border, you just use the laws that are currently on the books. President Trump has saw a ninety four percent reduction of border crossings over a one year period. It is truly remarkable. He proved we did not need new laws, We just needed a president and political will power to s that they're enforced the current laws. Now, we signed a number of executive orders on I leege immigration, most notably ending birthright citizenship for illegal aliens and temporary visa holders, DNA testing of illegal aliens to say third country agreements remain in Mexico, ending catcher release holding refugee resettlement, canceling Joe Biden's absolutely ridiculous CHNV program, which would have protected migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela from being deported while they applied for asylum, and he used the Alien Enemies Act to deport gang members and send them to a maximum security prison in Al Salvador. Now, most of these executive orders are tied up in litigation with district court judges giving an unprecedented amount of nationwide injunctions, more than any president in history, and I believe actually almost as many if not more than all the nationwide injunctions among every president in history combined. Very few have made their way up to the Supreme Court so far. Some are slowly making their way. The executive order over birthright, citizenship or arguments begin or in mid May, so we'll have to wait and see. We'll see how many of these executive orders are given the green light by SCOTUS, how President Trump handles the decision, how he continues to execute his executive authority. Definitely, Stephen Miller has shown that he's committed to the project of mass deportation, which Trump promised during the campaign, and he's using every available law at his disposal.

Now.

While it's difficult to get an exact reading of how many illegal aliens currently are in the country, that in the country that we're currently deported, these are called removals by ICE. As of March nineteenth, which is the last available day that they gave a hard number, they're supposed to be another one in the next few days as of this recording, but President Trump removed twenty eight thousand illegal aliens from the interior of the United States from his time in office on January twentieth until March nineteenth. Here's where the data gets tricky. Donald Trump is outpacing Joe Biden when it comes to removals people that are in the country that he is arresting with ICE and deporting that are leaving the country. But the media can categorize it and has categorized it by saying that actually he lacks Biden because but ICE also is responsible for removing illegal aliens detained at the border. Well, as I said before, Trump's law enforcing the laws on the books has caused border crossings to drop by ninety four percent, so there are fewer illegal aliens to remove crossing the border to begin with. You could make the argument that Biden deported more people. It's a argument not based completely in truth. It's an argument used to push a narrative. But I mean, there's there are some facts into it. But when you really have to look is interior deportations. Interior deportations, and when it comes to interior deportations, Trump is absolutely outpacing Joe Biden. In the first seven weeks, ICE also arrested forty eight thousand illegal aliens living in the interior of the United States and put them into tention centers that is a thirty percent increase compared to the year prior. So no matter what the media says, interior deportations interior enforcement under President Trump are up compared to his predecessor. And lastly, let's talk about trade. Just a few weeks ago, President Trump announced that it was Liberation Day from the Rose Garden and that he announced tariffs on dozens of countries as well as a blanket ten percent tariff on all products entering the United States. And to say it went less well than expected as an understatement. Now, of all the issues Trump has campaigned on over the last decade, nothing means more to him than trade and balances and the trade deficit. He has spoken about this going back to before I was born. I mean, he's talked about this for decades, that he wants to rebalance how we do trade. So here he is, during his second term, doing exactly what he's always wanted to do. Ten percent tariff on all important goods, increased tariffs on some countries that have tariffs on American goods they're called retaliatory tariffs. And at one hundred and forty five percent tariff on all goods from China. I've talked a lot on this podcast of why I think it's important to try to reshore American manufacturing. I can't understand how did the administration only tackle remasturing manufacturing from just the tariff perspective. I've said constantly, I've wrote about this, how federal contracts are a really important part of the narrative that I don't think the administration is used enough of. It's also daunting to try to understand and find the reasoning and the end goal behind these tariffs. Depending on who you're listening to, whether it be Peter Navarro or Commerce Secretary Lutnik or Treasury Secretary best Set, you're hearing different things. If anything, the biggest problem of the latter part of the Trump's one hundred days of this administration is that they haven't been on the same page of times, leading into complicating and sometimes worrying effects in the economy. The tariffs have caused a lot of volatility, with the value of the dollar decreasing, the Dow Jones, the NASDAK, and the S and P five hundred all losing about ten percent of their value since the day that Trump was sworn into office. Now, the volatility and the fear of tariffs have also worked in Trump's favor. This sort of sort of Madman approach to economic policy was successful in getting some companies to announced that they're bringing manufacturing back. According to CBS News, Johnson and Johnson Abbott Laboratories, Apple, Shabani, Crazy Art, Honda, Hondai, Roachi, Navidia, and TSMC all announced multi billion dollar plans to bring manufacturing back into the United States because the fear of tariffs, so they're going to start making some stuff in America. That part is a win, even though it's been very messy and the stock market has been veried down and sellectible. You know, tons of bad stories with this administration. Now. While I think trade, immigration, does are the biggest parts of his first one hundred days, they're the issues that define it in the media and to a lot of voters, they're not the only things he's tackles. He's improved military recruitment and retention rates. He's been working on this piece deal with Ukraine and Russia. Let's see where that goes. He's pushed Arnato allies to increase more spending and defense, and he's working on his tax policy. It's probably going to be the most significant piece of legislation during his term in office is this new tax till he's working on, no tax on tips, and no tax on social Security, possibly a millionaire's tax. I mean, who knows. If there's anything though that I've been surprised by in Trump's first one hundred days is He's made actually no judicial appointments. He's not a single one. Remember during first Trump's first term, he was breaking numbers, breaking records as far as judicial appointments, and so far he has appointed exactly zero people to the federal judiciary, despite there being forty five vacancies on federal courts, three in the appellate court, and forty two in district courts. So, with all this information I just gave you, how does this affect him in the eyes of voters? How does this affect him in the polls? According to the Real Clear Politics polling average, Trump's approval writing in April from April seventh to April twenty third stands at forty six point one percent, while his disapproval number is at fifty one point six percent. Of course, not all polls are created equally, and I'm looking only at certain high quality pollings that give their cross tabs or the crosstabs available to the public. That's really important to me. I'm looking primarily at Signal, Pew Research, Fox News, Atlas, Intel, and CBS. The narrative is basically the same. Americans are pretty mixed on Doge. They're very unhappy about tariffs, they're very work with the economy, and they are very much giving him the thumbs up when it comes to immigration, although they do want him to listen to court orders when it comes to people who are deported under stranger circumstances or there's a lot of litigation over it, but overall the port mass deportation. But among these major polishers with cross taps open, Trump has a forty five percent of crole rating. It stands at fifty percent with men, forty percent with women fifty percent, with white voters twenty one percent, with black voters forty percent, with Latinos forty six percent, with seniors thirty seven percent, with voters under thirty, forty three percent among voters with a college degree, forty eight percent of those without a college degree, and thirty six percent among independents. That isn't wonderful when it comes to swing voters, especially for Republicans going to the next year's midterm. He's going to have to increase those numbers big time and try to get some stability in the economy and get the economy growing again. That will be a major point of contention for congressional Republicans going into the midterms and President Trump now once once again, they aren't great numbers with swing voters, but among Trump's base, they are extremely loyal. Almost no Trump voters are sitting there and saying I made a mistake. It's very, very high retention among his base, which Trump has kept. He's kept that for almost a decade at this point. He's kept his base together through thick and thin, and that is enough to keep him in office and to wield significant influence over the party. And when it comes to keeping the promises he made to those voters, Trump's done a pretty good job in the first one hundred days. Mark Puto, a brilliant journalist from Axios, is my guess he's up next. We're going to talk about the first one hundred days, what these policies mean, and what it's looking like in Trump's first one hundred days, his legacy and the upcoming midterms, Stay tuned. Our guest this week is my buddy Mark Puto. He is a brilliant reporter from Axios. Mark, thank you for being on.

Owe you money for that kind introduction.

Now, Mark, you are one of the best in the business. So April thirtieth is Trump's one hundredth day in office. How would you characterize his first one hundred days.

I would divide it in half. There was and I should count the number of days to have a better specific answer, But there was the Trump administration up until Liberation Day, and then there was Liberation Day. On Liberation Day being that period where he's like okay, tariff time and that's where things got really chopd well.

I say it's over three issues. Has been the first one hundred days. There was the doge, which was the first, which was the first apocalypsecorning the media. Then there was immigration enforcement, which is the second, and then the tariffs were the third. That's the three headed apocalypse of the Trump administration's first one hundred days. Some more successful than the others. Doge it looks like when they have hard numbers of what actually saved save about fifty seven billion dollars, not a small amount in my opinion, but far less than what everyone was saying was going to happen.

Like Elon Musk talking about two trillion trillion and one hundred and fifty billion. Yeah, yeah, that's that's most.

Most hundred billion is un itemized deductions that they don't know where he's talking about it from. So, but fifty seven billion is a hard number. He is announced on Tuesday he's stepping away from the daily data day activities. Dose is supposed to sunset in July fourth, twenty twenty six. Overall, I don't know if it's if it's left the impression the legacy it was supposed to do, and I don't know if it's an overwhelming success. I kind of are on the side of it's probably more more or less not.

It has all of the quality of over promising and under delivering, right with an added dose of sort of kind of the chaos on top of it. Well, when you talk about the three headed monster, I mean two of those I generally kind of ignore because to your point, those were sort of mainstream media freak ass, right, they didn't really get into the public mind, to the public pocketbook. When the stock markets started going sort of haywire with the Trump tariffs and the mixed messaging and the two steps forward, one step back, another step to the side that was different up until that point. One of the folks at the White House I had spoken to talked about how they kept a calendar and they were happy, and they said, every day, you know, I put either a W you know when, loss or a draw. And at first it was just all WS. Now I haven't spoken to them again, but there have been far fewer wus since the tariff situation in drama has taken over.

Well, I would say that dose is kind of I mean, I guess fifty seven billions thirty seven billion is not a loss, but it's not what they promised. On immigration, interior deportations far exceed Joe Biden's thirty percent increase of people detained. When they say that the deportations were higher under Biden, they're including people who were returned away at the border. Will Since there's been a ninety six percent reduction of border apprehensions, which is the actual amount of it was like ninety five point nine percent reduction, there are less people to turn away at the border. Therefore, if you look at just interior enforcement, that number is up significantly. What I and we'll see what happens when it comes to the actual deportations of all these executive orders, and the big gem, in my opinion, the big big prize, if he could get, is the Supreme Court ruling on birthright citizenship for non citizens, for illegal aliens and temporary vise holders. That will be the if he can get that. I don't know if he will be able to, but if he can, it will be the biggest victory I think on the right when it comes to immigration. And I don't even know since Eisenhower, it's a long time.

Yeah, I find it hard to believe. I'm not a constitutional scholar, but when I read the plane language the fourteenth Amendment, it's hard for me to see how the Court is going to side with the president. I understand there are these other are these historical readings, historic historical or historical historical? That is, at the time they were talking about slaves, they weren't talking about immigrants. Today's immigration is different now than it was then. Essentially didn't exist back then. But to the degree the Supreme Court is a political body, and I think all bodies are political bodies to a degree when they have human beings on them, especially those in the government process. Trump's legal team and his administration have increasingly sort of picked fights with the courts that it might not needed to have picked. And so I think it's fair to say that if and I'm using a lot of weasel words, if there was sort of some goodwill before where it's like, oh, let's give them the benefit of the doubt, I think some of that's exhausted with all but the really hardcore conservatives on the Supreme Court.

Why is it because of the not listening to the lower course decisions on border on deportations.

I think so. Yeah, And remember Roberts. Justice Roberts took that sort of extraordinary step of kind of rebuke might be too strong a verb, but you know, sort of telling Trump like, hey, you know, back off criticizing these judges just for doing their jobs. I think that that was notable. That having been said, I do think that they are going to be able to get a number of victories out of the court on immigration. Regarding you know, the big case Kilmar Abrigo Garcia. The the Supreme Court has already signified its discomfort in telling having the judicial branch tell the executive branch, Hey, uh, we're going to tell you how to conduct foreign policy now that this guy is overseas. It's a really messy case. My conspiracy minded hat and when I wear it makes me think that maybe they chose this case for a reason, but it's probably a little more organic. My guess is there was an Ice agent in Maryland, in the Baltimore area who knew Kilmar, who wanted to get him. And now that there's you know, the.

Trump regime, the Trump administration's back, they're like, okay, buddy, we're gonna get you.

And so they got him. They got Killmar in the system. Now it's a question did someone actually know that there was a deep a withhold on deporting him to El Salvador or not. I'm not sure. But the bottom line is is that he was deported to El Salvador unlawfully or in violation of court order. And now here we are right.

I mean, it's just and this is I guess it's a bigger conversation then we can afford. And I'm not a legal brain either, but I just I think that I think when they give the courts give these temporary protections from deportation out of fear or intimidation, and then that that that what would have caused fear for your life has has ended. In the case of of of this, of the of the Maryland man is this rival gang? The rival gang doesn't exist anymore, So what is your fear at a deportation anymore? And that's I mean predates this. There were cases like in Honduras where there was an earthquake and people were here for twenty something years out of fear for their life, or an earthquake on a temporary protector.

So earthquaker was a hurricane Mitch.

I was Hurricane Mitch. That was it? Yeah, but it was twenty something years ago and they were still here on a temporary protecting status over a hurricane from twenty years ago, right.

I mean, it just goes to show that a lot of things, once once they're called temporary, really aren't temporary. There is, of course, the media coverage angle of this. The the a lot of people in mainstream media are elighting some of the more complicating aspects of a Brago Garcia's story. If the reports out of Tennessee are true, where he was stopped driving a vehicle of a guy who had been busted for human smuggling, and he had a bunch of people in the car he wasn't related to, who all gave the same address that he did. Like, well, maybe we should look at whether or not the Fed's got it right that this guy was engaged in.

Unlawful activities if you, I mean, by the left making him the face the poster boy of the perfect illegal immigant who should never have been deported.

If it goes left and there is you know, a literal or figurative body in the closet, it's a real problem for Democrats. It kind of undermines their entire argument for any stopping any future deportations under President Trump. So but overall, on illegal immigration, Trump has been more a pretty big win overall successful by far.

I mean, he's delivering on by large on what he said. I haven't even said. I do understand that the civil libertarian argument that you know, a court order is a court order and you shouldn't violate it, even if I'm.

Not yeah, I'm not I'm not making I'm not giving I'm just saying. I'm saying as far as promises to voters, go I think on immigration is probably one of the biggest runaway successes. Inflation has certainly gone down. Despite what I mean. You should live in the media. There's breadlines out of everyone's door. Now let's go to tariff. Tariffs are problem. Tariffs are what I don't understand, Mark, and you are you. I pay attention to the news, but you write the news. So maybe you can understand if you listen to Peter Navarro, if you listen to the Secretary of Commerce, and if you look at the Secretary of Treasury, they all have different reasons of why we're doing these tariffs. They all have different end goals for why we're doing these tariffs. Okay, so if you listen to and maybe I'm wrong, so correct me wrong. Record of the Peter Navarro story is we're going to basically a neoliberalism as we know it, and change the way we do international economics and become named meticulals mercantile, mercantile nation in one way or the other. If you listened to best set the Secretary of the Treasury, it's to end all these opposing tariffs on us. We'll have real free trade except for China. China is its own thing, and then if you listen to the Commerce Secretary, it's somewhere in between, but his own kind of thing that he's doing on his own. Why hasn't the administration seemed to have one single narrative for the last three weeks?

I touched on this to plug my own story in Axios, in a story called Trump's Tariff Brain, Inside Trump's Tariff Brain. The answer is all of the above. Donald Trump he wants to do lots of things with tariffs. And if you understand that, Donald Trump has been talking about other countries have ripped us off for you know years. I mean first he first gave us in a speech in nineteen eighty seven, thirty eight years ago. Boy, now I feel rilled he gave this.

So he gave the speech at nineteen eighty seven, we're talking about other nations are ripping us off. He didn't quite say tariffs, but that's what he's talking about, negotiating better trade deals.

Understanding that, look at Trump as a guy who is often or more often directionally right than his critics give him credit for. Okay, So it's a very kind of a very specific phrase I'm using there. And if you understand, like the direction he wants to go. He wants to go in the direction of more manufacturing. He wants to go in the direction of a different trade deficit, a more balanced trade deficit with other nations. He wants to go in the direction of Ian government revenue from this in part to pay for the tax cuts, so to speak, pay for that he wants to extend. He wants to have more manufacturing in the country. Those are all things he wants to do. So all of those guys who are out there speaking are sort of different avatars of him. And the reality says Donald Trump hasn't made up his mind. And Donald Trump has last guy in the room syndrome as well. So he frequently falls victim to analysis paralysis because he surrounds himself. And this is perhaps to his credit. It certainly is the credit if you believe in like open minded epistemology, like get acquiring information. That is, he gets everyone's opinion in the room. The thing is, he doesn't know when to stop and right or it takes a while for him to kind of arrive at them. So that's one. And then there's the last guy in the room syndrome.

So He's got all these different advisors who have these different faces of sort of the tear and what they could do, and he likes all of them.

So I don't know this for a fact, but generally I can totally see it where Howard Lutnik is in there like hey, here's what we gotta do, like, oh yeah, great, go out there, and he says it, and then that's true, and then best's in They're like, hey, here's what we gotta do, Like great, you go out there and you do that. And this is what we're seeing. For those of us who are accustomed.

To Donald Trump and the sort of you know, are able to understand that there's always gonna be a lot of noise and you just have to focus on the directional signal.

It makes a lot more sense. The thing is is the stock market doesn't work that way, right. He's approaching this like a political campaign where he's never quite clear. He likes to have leverage. It's all the sort of now you see me, now you don't stuff. It's asymmetry very good at that stock market hates that shit. And so here we are.

What I don't understand is and I send a message song on you in the White House, and I said, this, manufacturing is your main goal, and and it's important, it's an important effort that we should be undertaking as a country, but it is your main goal. There are there is a lot of different hammers to use to nail that, to nail that into the wall well, And I mentioned this on this podcast. I wrote about this federal like federal contracts. Make sure federal contracts are focused on restoring like pharmaceuticals or military equipment or whatever. That part hasn't happened, Like there's no, they're not. It's not a full uh you know, full court press on to faces on every front. It seems like it's just tariffs, and that makes it confusing and people worrysome and also allowing people who have stocks and in companies that are way overvalued to sit there and deplete their stocks and to sell them and to make sure that you know, blame the terrists for it instead of some crappy companies that are well up too much money on their hands and whatever. That's that's whether their stocks are revalue, I should say to us. But their stocks are revalued. That is all happening. And he's allowing himself to do it, and it just seems like it's a mess. And I saw that he wants to reduce tariffs in China. Where is he right now? Do we have tariffs on any country as there is there?

We have the ten percent across the board tark. Yeah, that we do have, and and technically we have one hundred and forty five percent tariff on goods from China, which is effectively, as one of the folks in his economic team has pointed out to me, this is not tariffs really we're talking about right now, this is a trade embargo.

Right.

Wall Street Journal had an interesting story with an anecdote as their lead, like there was this I didn't realize that people import that we import eyelashes, And there's like China sends us eyelashes. Now god knows where they came from. But you know, someone.

Spoke against President g and is now you know, an eyelash donor or whatever.

But there's this truck of eyelashes that's like stuck at the Mexico border. Like we are, in effectively for a lot of these goods, a trade embargo like zero trade. I had reported the other day on Tuesday that when Donald Trump met Monday with the heads of Walmart, Home Depot and Target that what they privately told him was, hey, we're looking at some empty shelves in as early as two weeks. So there are these different messages they're getting to him, and he is sort of reacting to it. But generally speaking, here I'm sort of scooping myself. One of the people I'd spoken to who who's spoken to Trump with some regularity, you know, when the stock market was doing all this stuff, I asked him like, well, what's what's the present's mindset.

They're like, oh, he's having a great time. I said yeah, and I said yeah. He just keeps talking about the deals they're gonna do. He's like Japan's coming in and yeah, knobs coming in.

You wouldn't believe what's going to happen with South Korea. So he's sort of on cloud nine. And the portrayal there is a little bit of a disconnect between what a lot of people are seeing and certainly you know, those people who have money in the stock market, but his general sense right now is still again, actually this way and we're in this you know, this is Trump's world. We're all living in it right now. Where he's going to be kind of fine tuning and real time testing this stuff. But I think there's a long roundabout answer to I think it was a question you posed, which is this wasn't necessarily very well thought out in the implementation. And I think this is an old man in a hurry. He's wanted to do this since nineteen eighty seven at least. Okay, he is now president for his second and final term. And let's ignore Steve Man and saying he's gonna get their term. Yeah, you know, he's almost eighty years old, so he wants to do this stuff now.

And let's face it, when I said he was more often directionally right than his critics, you have him credit for he's the only guy who's really come out and made free trade an issue and said, hey, a lot of the free trade has been bad as hollowed out or manufacturing sector.

You really didn't hear that in the Republican Party before twenty fifteen, right, you just didn't. And he's the he's the guy, right, Yeah, the good point. Yeah, there's a great political.

Six But since nineteen ninety six in Buchanan ran, it's been though twenty or sixteen to twenty nineteen ninety six to twenty sixteen was twenty years.

Yeah, and he is the only guy, the only president who's like, Okay, fuck it, you know you're talking about you.

Know, the problem of the hammer or everything looks like a nail. I mean, he just hit the glass. Yeah, So we're there now. Whether it's going to work or not, it is a big experiment and it is kind of a shock to the system. But the reality is he is the only present who's really given voice to this problem and the only president who's really tried to solve it. The question is is is solution Is the cure worse than the sickness because one of the things his advisors have said, and sorry, I'm I'll get this out, is is that they view the American economy as a sick patient and and it's in and it is in bad need of medicine. And I in one of my conversations with one of these people, said, well, yeah, that's true. But you know, if you have cancer, they give you a chemo very often, and chemotherapy is basically poison. That boils down to this, you either are going to kill the cancer or kill yourself. And so you have to be careful administering the medicine of the poison in chemotherapy. And what I wonder here is is did Trump just come in and just inject a whole bunch of I don't know, rat poison or whatever into this and we're going to see or maybe not?

Uhh, I mean, I mean, and you have some headlines with some companies and and they're reassuring jobs in America. There's a lots to live on for those headlines. To Let's ask two questions. One, what is this? What does this do for Republicans looking at twenty twenty six?

How you're looking tough? I have not been talking to Republicans much, but man, in our in our elections are our elections generally break on the fault line of a division of desire and terror right right and anger and love. There's not a lot of love out there, so let's just throw that out. So the gasoline that powers the engines of our elections is anger, and the left is angry. They're out there protesting Tesla, you know. So I see more energy, and I understand, with respect to Saint Paul, that I see through a glass darkly that I don't understand the tire picture on Donald the whole nation, but the energy looks like it's on on the left when you look at the fact that the stock market is not doing so well, the dollar is deflating, is devaluing, the IMF is cutting growth rate forecasts of the United States. Home sales are starting to decline. And Donald Trump, through implementing these tariffs in such a way, made this his economy. It's really gonna be difficult for him to sit around and blame Biden.

All the Republicans have well blue pass expectations on fundraising numbers, and there were was good economic indicators before Liberation Day. But I mean, we'll see.

I mean the market, the market really wants. The market is almost like, uh, you know, an abused person who just wants a little bit of good news.

Like literally, where Donald Trump gives a little bit of good news, it's like and the market shoots back and then it comes back down. So uh, I don't know how long that's gonna last, but there is still some sort of pent up goodwill in the market. Where if there is a more I think, if there's a more cohesive, intelligible, predictable, reliable presentation of where we're going to go and how we're going to get there that if you were to ask me this question of how Republicans are feeling, my answer might change. But right now I think things favor Democrats more.

Yeah, well, okay, in terms of prompt My last question, in terms of promises to his voters, things he campaigned on, and what he's achieved. How would you grade Trump's first one hundred days, not solely on the success or how it's looking, but what he promised and then what he's been delivered.

I mean, from all the supporters I know of his and the people who didn't vote for him, who support him, they're very happy, like because, as they pointed out, there's a possibility that a majority or a plurality of his voters aren't real stock market people. So I don't really give a shit about a lot of stuff I just talked about there. They voted for him because of immigration and attitude and.

Demograph poles is eighteen to twenty one year olds.

What's that.

Trump's best demographic in the latest Yale poll is eighteen to twenty one year olds.

The Harvard David Sure found too. That's the Harvard poll that John Delavelpie had released showed that he was hamorrhaging support of younger people.

That was the Harvard Harris pol I think, so, I know it's Harvard.

I don't know if it's Harvard Harris.

Yeah, Harvard Harris poles are terrible. And I'm just gonna tell you like but no, no, no, I take polsters like ignore Harvard Harris is a joke of bolster, just my own personal opinion. I never listened to them. But the Yale poll, I think is back. They are. They're a joke of pual So they do a terrible job each and every time. The Yale poll is decent. The Pew Pearl poll is very good, it's very thorough, but it's I mean, it's terrible for Trump. It was his worst poll by far. The NBC NBC Post pole that was good, The Washington Post pole was decent. So he's had some decent ones. I think that none of time is settled to really see what the tariff situation is looking like. But the problem we have a Trump as far as as far as like the Democrats have with Trump is there's such a little elasticity, like he's never going to get to Joe Biden or George W. Bush numbers into the twenties because he can't because his base that loves him is so fervently committed, and the.

It's kind of like a thirty five percent floor. Basically, it's like, yeah.

It's in the mid thirties percent floor and the ceiling is fifty two percent, and we just live in that fifteen percent range. Wherever we go. He'll never be never have Joe Biden positive numbers, He'll never have Joe Biden negative numbers, will never have Bush positive numbers, and have Bush negative numbers. And so we live in this world where he's just kind of stuck and everyone has a strong opinion of him. But the fact that eighteen to twenty one year olds and both the David Short data on the election and then the NBA and then the Yale pole is pretty wild. And it might be because one they don't have stocks and two because it's you know, I like the attitude.

Oh yeah, I think it's a big part of it. I don't think the the left has really helped its case, especially among young men, that that horse has been beaten and kicked to death. The other issue, I think that Republicans need to think about, which you saw a play out in Wisconsin, is that the Trump machine without Trump is not much of a machine, like he activates certain voters right.

Well, seniors are increasingly becoming democratic as baby boomer like you time when they're like, what happened to seniors? Because the seniors that live in your head have died, Like you're not willing to admit that, but you're thinking of your grandparents who aren't alive anymore, and you're not understanding, like Archie Bunker is not the senior citizen, he's dead. Meathead is the senior citizen. Jane Fond is a senior citizen, Like these are the senior citizens. Rosie o'donald is a senior A meathead? No, but those are, But those are senior citizens now. They are not the British generation or Joe Biden's generation. I mean there are a few of those left people up, but not many. They are overwhelmingly the counter culture.

Yeah, as a Florida based guy, we experienced that quite clearly. We used to have, especially in South Florida, Southeast Florida, what we would call the condo commandos. These are these older FDR voters who were just reliably blue, and it's what kept Florida bloom at first, and then with the wave of more Republicans, we kept at purple. Now we're just importing Republican super voters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really where we have to go. But on a really quick story, my grandfather grew up from from Lowie side of Manhattan and Brooklyn. His whole life, almost all his friends were Jewish, and those typical New York Liberal Democratic Jewish like almost like a cartoon of what a Jewish voter from New York's politics are like. And I remember the Bloomberg election at five, is my first election I could get vote in earsthing and I said, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm voting for Bloomberg, you know, as a Republican. And his friends said, oh, I voted for Bloomberg as a Democrat. And I said, no, you didn't. You voted No, he's not a Democrat as a Republican. Literally twenty minutes screaming over the dining room table. This man, He's like, I never voted for a Republican in my life. I wouldn't vote. I voted for him as a Democrat. I'm like he would not admit to his own self that it was possibly could vote for a Republican. So yeah, I know those voters very well. But most of them have suns, you know, gone to their great rust. So that is the eternal rust. So that is what Uh, that's what people do. Mark, thank you so much. We're gonna end up. Mark, thank you for being on this podcast.

Note yes, yes, sir, that was great.

Where people go to read your stuff.

Axidos dot com. Uh, and I'm on Twitter at Mark A. Caputo. It's Mark with the C marc Antonio. Now, Mark tell you Mark Antonio is technically my first name. Okay, one word.

Well, thank you so much. Mark. I'll speak to you soon.

Appreciate you. Man.

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