On this episode of A Numbers Game, Ryan sits down with Oren Cass—chief economist and founder of American Compass—to unpack one of the most important economic debates in America right now: financialization.

Cass explains what financialization means in plain English, why the financial sector has ballooned into a dominant source of corporate profits, and how Wall Street’s incentives can become parasitic on the real economy—extracting value from productive businesses instead of funding long-term growth.

They also dig into Cass’s concept of “moral arbitrage,” where investors target industries that weren’t meant to be run for maximum profit—like nursing homes, veterinary practices, and even youth sports—and what that shift means for families, communities, and the future of capitalism.

In this episode, Ryan and Oren discuss:

What financialization is (and what it isn’t)

Why finance attracts top talent—and how it creates a brain drain from engineering and medicine

How “moral arbitrage” shows up in healthcare, elder care, and youth sports

Whether financialization makes America less competitive globally

Why low unemployment doesn’t mean the economy is healthy for workers 

The conservative debate inside the Right—and why critics often miss Cass’s actual argument AI, bubbles, and what today’s tech frenzy gets right (and wrong)

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