Chris chats with Lucas Basulto, president of the Desert Advocacy Media Network, from a swelteringly hot living room about snakes in the desert. They trade snake stories, discuss common misconceptions about these reptiles, and stress the ecological importance of preserving their habitats. From Lucas' childhood snake-collecting antics to how to handle snake bites and the issue of road mortality, this episode offers a deep dive into the fascinating world of desert snakes. Whether you're a herpetology enthusiast or just snake-curious, this episode offers valuable insights and engaging discussions. 

The site Luke mentioned for identifying California snakes is californiaherps.com. Similar sites focusing on snakes of other states: Here are Arizona and Texas and New Mexico and Nevada. 

The video of Chris' dog Heart chilling out with a cranky red racer (a.k.a. coachwhip) is here.