In October 2022, Dan Duggan was arrested at a Woolworths in Orange, regional New South Wales, after dropping his kids off at school.

American prosecutors claim the former US Marine pilot helped train Chinese military pilots in South Africa more than a decade ago, in breach of US arms trafficking laws. Duggan denies that, and says he believed he was involved in lawful civilian flight training.

He’s now facing extradition to the United States.

But before the arrest, the charges, and before the extradition fight, Duggan was living as an Australian citizen, running a flight business in Tasmania, and building a life with his wife Saffrine and their children.

Today, Dan Duggan’s wife, Saffrine Duggan on her husband’s fight for freedom from jail, and journalist and member of the Free Dan Duggan Campaign, Michael Sainsbury, on how an Australian pilot became the target of US prosecution.

This is part one of a two-part episode.

 

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Guest: Saffrine Duggan and journalist and member of the Free Dan Duggan campaign Michael Sainsbury.

In October 2022, Dan Duggan was arrested at a Woolworths in Orange, regional New South Wales, after dropping his kids off at school.
American prosecutors claim the former US Marine pilot helped train Chinese military pilots in South Africa more than a decade ago, in breach of US arms trafficking laws. Duggan denies that, and says&nbsp;he believed he was involved in lawful civilian flight training.
He&rsquo;s now facing extradition to the United States.
But before the arrest, the charges, and before the extradition fight, Duggan was living as an Australian citizen, running a flight business in Tasmania, and building a life with his wife Saffrine and their children.
Today, Dan Duggan&rsquo;s wife, Saffrine Duggan on her husband&rsquo;s fight for freedom from jail, and journalist and member of the&nbsp;Free Dan Duggan Campaign, Michael Sainsbury, on how an Australian pilot became the target of US prosecution.
This is part one of a two-part episode.
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Guest: Saffrine Duggan and journalist and member of the Free Dan Duggan campaign Michael Sainsbury.

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The fight for Dan Duggan - Part 1: From 'Top Gun' to wanted man

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Dan Duggan’s case is now an extradition battle.

Former attorney-general Mark Dreyfus approved the Australian citizen’s extradition to the United States and the Federal Court has rejected the latest attempt to stop it.

Duggan’s supporters say this is no longer just a legal case – they believe it’s also shaped by geopolitics and the growing rivalry between the United States and China, and by Australia’s willingness to go along with Washington.

Today, journalist Michael Sainsbury, and Saffrine Duggan, on why the Australian government signed off on Duggan’s extradition, what he could face in the United States, and why his supporters say he has become caught in something much bigger than one man.

This is part two of a two-part episode.

 

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Guest: Saffrine Duggan and journalist and member of the Free Dan Duggan campaign Michael Sainsbury.

Photo: AAP Image/Dan Himbrechts

Dan Duggan&rsquo;s case is now an extradition battle.
Former attorney-general Mark Dreyfus approved the Australian citizen&rsquo;s extradition to the United States and the Federal Court has rejected the latest attempt to stop it.
Duggan&rsquo;s supporters say this is no longer just a legal case &ndash; they believe it&rsquo;s also shaped by geopolitics and the growing rivalry between the United States and China, and by Australia&rsquo;s willingness to go along with Washington.
Today, journalist Michael Sainsbury, and Saffrine Duggan, on why the Australian government signed off on Duggan&rsquo;s extradition, what he could face in the United States, and why his supporters say he has become caught in something much bigger than one man.
This is part two of a two-part episode.
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Guest: Saffrine Duggan and journalist and member of the Free Dan Duggan campaign Michael Sainsbury.
Photo:&nbsp;AAP Image/Dan Himbrechts

The fight for Dan Duggan - Part 2: The extradition battle

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When Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan introduced the state's treaty bill into parliament, she said it would pave the way for a formal apology, the introduction of Aboriginal truth-telling into the school curriculum, and a better future for Indigenous Australians in the state.

The treaty is the culmination of almost a decade of work that established the First Peoples’ Assembly – which led the negotiations – and delivers on ‘Voice, Treaty and Truth’, making Victoria the first state in the country to do so.

Now, that treaty is in its next phase. This week, we'll have the election results of who will sit on the next First Peoples’ Assembly – and tomorrow, the process of setting up the delegation that will actually decide what the treaty will look like begins.

Today, the co-chairs of the First Peoples’ Assembly, Ngarra Murray and Rueben Berg, on what they hope Victoria’s treaty will deliver – and how its success will be measured.

This is part one of a two-part episode that first aired in September 2025.

 

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Guest: Co-Chairs of the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria, Ngarra Murray and Rueben Berg.

Photo: AAP Image/Pool, Justin McManus

When Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan introduced the state's treaty bill into parliament, she said it would pave the way for a formal apology, the introduction of Aboriginal truth-telling into the school curriculum, and a better future for Indigenous Australians in the state.
The treaty is the culmination of almost a decade of work that established the First Peoples&rsquo; Assembly &ndash; which led the negotiations &ndash; and delivers on &lsquo;Voice, Treaty and Truth&rsquo;, making Victoria the first state in the country to do so.
Now, that treaty is in its next phase. This week, we'll have the election results of who will sit on the next First Peoples&rsquo; Assembly &ndash; and tomorrow, the process of setting up the delegation that will actually decide what the treaty will look like begins.
Today, the co-chairs of the&nbsp;First Peoples&rsquo; Assembly, Ngarra Murray and Rueben Berg, on what they hope Victoria&rsquo;s treaty will deliver &ndash; and how its success will be measured.
This is part one of a two-part episode that first aired in September 2025.
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Guest: Co-Chairs of the First Peoples&rsquo; Assembly of Victoria, Ngarra Murray and Rueben Berg.
Photo:&nbsp;AAP Image/Pool, Justin McManus

Part 1: Victoria’s historic treaty

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Indigenous leaders across the country welcomed Victoria’s treaty.

The legislation enshrines a democratically elected body for First Peoples, called Gellung Warl, that will be consulted on laws and policies affecting Indigenous communities.

Now there are calls for other states and territories to use the Victorian example as a model to establish their own treaties.

But there’s also pushback – with critics calling it costly and divisive in claims that echo The Voice debate – and with state and territory leaders across the country abandoning previous promises and commitments.

Today, writer and 7am co-host Daniel James on whether Victoria’s treaty marks a turning point or an anomaly.

This is part two of a two-part episode that first aired in September 2025.

 

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Guest: Writer and 7am co-host, Daniel James.

Photo: AAP Image/Joel Carrett

Indigenous leaders across the country welcomed Victoria&rsquo;s treaty.
The legislation enshrines a democratically elected body for First Peoples, called Gellung Warl, that will be consulted on laws and policies affecting Indigenous communities.
Now there are calls for other states and territories to use the Victorian example as a model to establish their own treaties.
But there&rsquo;s also pushback &ndash; with critics calling it costly and divisive in claims that echo The Voice debate &ndash; and with state and territory leaders across the country abandoning previous promises and commitments.
Today, writer and&nbsp;7am co-host Daniel James on whether Victoria&rsquo;s treaty marks a turning point or an anomaly.
This is part two of a two-part episode that first aired in September 2025.
&nbsp;
If you enjoy 7am, the best way you can support us is by making a contribution at <a href="http://7ampodcast.com.au/support">7ampodcast.com.au/support</a>.
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Guest: Writer and 7am co-host, Daniel James.
Photo:&nbsp;AAP Image/Joel Carrett

Part 2: The politics and pushback

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The fight for Dan Duggan - Part 1: From 'Top Gun' to wanted man

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