New York Times journalist Jonathan Swan is famous for his trainwreck interview with Donald Trump at the height of covid.

Now, he’s exposing the US president again with a forensic look at what he says was the most consequential year of an American presidency in our lifetime.

Donald Trump’s first presidency was defined by chaos – but also by the people around him trying to contain it.

Swan says the second term is different. Trump has returned to the White House with a tighter circle of loyalists, and far fewer people willing to say no.

In a new book Regime Change co-authored with Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan goes inside the first 14 months of Trump’s return to power, documenting a presidency using the machinery of government to punish enemies, pressure institutions and test what one president can get away with.

Today, Jonathan Swan, on Trump’s second term – and how he’s changed America forever.

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Guest: Co-author of Regime Change Jonathan Swan

Photo: AP Photo/Francisco Seco