National Director Energy Policy and Research at St Vincent de Paul, Gavin Dufty, joined Heidi Murphy to discuss the plan.

<p>National Director Energy Policy and Research at St Vincent de Paul, Gavin Dufty, joined Heidi Murphy to discuss the plan.</p>

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