We know that there is a lot going on this morning, particularly when we look at the new government and some of the legislation that is set to be introduced to Parliament next week. In the studio with me this morning, it is the Chief Minister Leah Finocchiaro. Good morning too, Good morning Katie and to your listeners, great to have you on the show. Now. I understand there has been some movement on the introduction of Declan's Law when Parliament sits next week.

We know that there is a lot going on this morning, particularly when we look at the new government and some of the legislation that is set to be introduced to Parliament next week. In the studio with me this morning, it is the Chief Minister Leah Finocchiaro. Good morning too, Good morning Katie and to your listeners, great to have you on the show. Now. I understand there has been some movement on the introduction of Declan's Law when Parliament sits next week.

What's the latest.

What's the latest.

So we've been working really hard over the last six weeks to make sure we can deliver on all of our election commitments to Territorians. Around that first sittings of Parliament, we always said there was a crime crisis and it needed a crisis response, which is why it's going to be a jam pack two weeks of new powers for police and a real focus on crime reduction. So we're very proud that the flagship of all of those laws is going to be Declan's Law. And I'm even prouder to have Samara Lavity, Declan's mum, coming to Darwin, to be able to witness all of her courageous and passionate fight for Territorians to be safe and come into fruition. So it's going to be a big two weeks, so hold on to your hats.

So we've been working really hard over the last six weeks to make sure we can deliver on all of our election commitments to Territorians. Around that first sittings of Parliament, we always said there was a crime crisis and it needed a crisis response, which is why it's going to be a jam pack two weeks of new powers for police and a real focus on crime reduction. So we're very proud that the flagship of all of those laws is going to be Declan's Law. And I'm even prouder to have Samara Lavity, Declan's mum, coming to Darwin, to be able to witness all of her courageous and passionate fight for Territorians to be safe and come into fruition. So it's going to be a big two weeks, so hold on to your hats.

But it's the start of more to come.

But it's the start of more to come.

You know, this is not going to be laws that create the silver bullet to all crime. It's about stemming the tide or stopping the bleed. It's about giving our police the powers they need and delivering on those commitments.

You know, this is not going to be laws that create the silver bullet to all crime. It's about stemming the tide or stopping the bleed. It's about giving our police the powers they need and delivering on those commitments.

Well, I think it's also the expectation of the community. And I know that there will be people who have concerns around some of that legislation. I'll get to some of that shortly, but it is the expectation.

Well, I think it's also the expectation of the community. And I know that there will be people who have concerns around some of that legislation. I'll get to some of that shortly, but it is the expectation.

Of the community.

Of the community.

You came in on a mandate to deliver on reducing the rates of crime, and that's what we all expect to see.

You came in on a mandate to deliver on reducing the rates of crime, and that's what we all expect to see.

With Decklan's law.

With Decklan's law.

I know that what it's going to mean is that there'll be a presumption against bail for youth and adult serious violent offenders. How is that going to work? I guess for our listeners this morning to really understand what that's going to mean to them and how it impacts their life.

I know that what it's going to mean is that there'll be a presumption against bail for youth and adult serious violent offenders. How is that going to work? I guess for our listeners this morning to really understand what that's going to mean to them and how it impacts their life.

No, that's a great question, Katie, and you're absolutely right. People we said we would reduce crime. People voted for us to reduce crime, and we're just getting on with the job. There is no second guessing that we are plowing ahead. So Declan's law specifically does a number of things that a bunch of it relates to bail and a chunk of it relates to knife crime. So if I talk to bail, what this will mean is people who are serious violent offenders, they're going to come to court at that first opportunity they get to court, and they will be on the back foot. They will have a much higher threshold threshold and so will the judges of going through the criteria of hang on, is this person going to present an ongoing risk to our community?

No, that's a great question, Katie, and you're absolutely right. People we said we would reduce crime. People voted for us to reduce crime, and we're just getting on with the job. There is no second guessing that we are plowing ahead. So Declan's law specifically does a number of things that a bunch of it relates to bail and a chunk of it relates to knife crime. So if I talk to bail, what this will mean is people who are serious violent offenders, they're going to come to court at that first opportunity they get to court, and they will be on the back foot. They will have a much higher threshold threshold and so will the judges of going through the criteria of hang on, is this person going to present an ongoing risk to our community?

And that's what we want.

And that's what we want.

We want more scrutiny over these people and less of them bailed, essentially is what it's about. So a much higher test, much stronger position for the victim the prosecution, and so we hope and we know that that will result in less people being bailed.

We want more scrutiny over these people and less of them bailed, essentially is what it's about. So a much higher test, much stronger position for the victim the prosecution, and so we hope and we know that that will result in less people being bailed.

It's also going to mean there will be.

It's also going to mean there will be.

A presumption, sorry, a breach of bowl condition will now be an offense. So that was removed by Labor. So whether you're an adult offender or a youth offender. If you were out on bail, which means you've been given us second chance by the courts to do the right thing, and you go and break the law again, that will be a chargeable offense. You'll be brought back before the courts. So that's two parts of it that. There's another part of it, which will mean that for people who are repeat serious violent offenders or violent offenders, if they've had two of those types offenses in the last two years, they will be regarded as a repeat offender, which again means that they will start on the back foot. And I just want to add that if, even though the threshold is going to be so much higher, if the courts find a way of bailing these people despite the very clear laws and guidance we're providing, then the courts will have to put electronic monitoring on them. So there's a double backstep. It's a backup, right It sounds also.

A presumption, sorry, a breach of bowl condition will now be an offense. So that was removed by Labor. So whether you're an adult offender or a youth offender. If you were out on bail, which means you've been given us second chance by the courts to do the right thing, and you go and break the law again, that will be a chargeable offense. You'll be brought back before the courts. So that's two parts of it that. There's another part of it, which will mean that for people who are repeat serious violent offenders or violent offenders, if they've had two of those types offenses in the last two years, they will be regarded as a repeat offender, which again means that they will start on the back foot. And I just want to add that if, even though the threshold is going to be so much higher, if the courts find a way of bailing these people despite the very clear laws and guidance we're providing, then the courts will have to put electronic monitoring on them. So there's a double backstep. It's a backup, right It sounds also.

You're sort of putting the courts on notice.

You're sort of putting the courts on notice.

Yeah, we are, because at the end of the day, the people, the members of Parliament are elected by the people. The Parliament creates the laws that meets the people's expectation. The courts and the judges are there to implement the laws. So my job is Minister to make sure that the territory's laws meet community expectation and the rest should follow. And if it doesn't, we'll come back to Parliament and we'll just keep going. Katie, there's you know, you don't have to stop once and we're not going to set this stuff and forget and say, oh, well I ticked off my election commitment.

Yeah, we are, because at the end of the day, the people, the members of Parliament are elected by the people. The Parliament creates the laws that meets the people's expectation. The courts and the judges are there to implement the laws. So my job is Minister to make sure that the territory's laws meet community expectation and the rest should follow. And if it doesn't, we'll come back to Parliament and we'll just keep going. Katie, there's you know, you don't have to stop once and we're not going to set this stuff and forget and say, oh, well I ticked off my election commitment.

That's done.

That's done.

This doesn't end here, it starts here, and that's what's so important for people to understand.

This doesn't end here, it starts here, and that's what's so important for people to understand.

Now it is just one of the legislative changes that are going to be introduced. We also know that you are looking at these new posting and boasting laws.

Now it is just one of the legislative changes that are going to be introduced. We also know that you are looking at these new posting and boasting laws.

Well, it's an offense.

Well, it's an offense.

It will become an offense and it will see a penalty of up to two years jail. Again, how is this going to work in a practical sense, because sometimes you've got, you know, a group of people committing a crime. How do you know who's posting it or who's behind it.

It will become an offense and it will see a penalty of up to two years jail. Again, how is this going to work in a practical sense, because sometimes you've got, you know, a group of people committing a crime. How do you know who's posting it or who's behind it.

Yeah, we spend a lot of time looking at how other jurisdictions do this because it's to some extent an emerging area of law.

Yeah, we spend a lot of time looking at how other jurisdictions do this because it's to some extent an emerging area of law.

But we think we've hit the right spot.

But we think we've hit the right spot.

So in Queensland, for example, posting and boasting is attached to ram raid, so you can only be charged with posting and boasting if you've done a ram rain. What we've decided to do is have it as a standalone a fence, so that applies to a broader range of laws, and that also means it's not necessarily the person committing the crime. So for example, property damage is one of the laws that it will apply to. So if you're not the person committing the property damage, but it's your mate and you're standing there filming it live into TikTok or whatever these platforms are and boasting about it and saying look at us, you know stuff you cops, whatever it might be, then that person can be charged.

So in Queensland, for example, posting and boasting is attached to ram raid, so you can only be charged with posting and boasting if you've done a ram rain. What we've decided to do is have it as a standalone a fence, so that applies to a broader range of laws, and that also means it's not necessarily the person committing the crime. So for example, property damage is one of the laws that it will apply to. So if you're not the person committing the property damage, but it's your mate and you're standing there filming it live into TikTok or whatever these platforms are and boasting about it and saying look at us, you know stuff you cops, whatever it might be, then that person can be charged.

They might not be able to be charged for the property.

They might not be able to be charged for the property.

Damage because they didn't do it, but they could be charged with the posting and boasting. So it just gives greater flexibility for our police and we'll have to watch it and make sure it's working. But we wanted it to be bigger than just ram rates, which we also have new legislation for.

Damage because they didn't do it, but they could be charged with the posting and boasting. So it just gives greater flexibility for our police and we'll have to watch it and make sure it's working. But we wanted it to be bigger than just ram rates, which we also have new legislation for.

Look, I think it's a good idea. Some of what we've seen out of Ella Springs, for example, is being crazy.

Look, I think it's a good idea. Some of what we've seen out of Ella Springs, for example, is being crazy.

But do you think it'll.

But do you think it'll.

Work in a practical sense, Like, do you think that it will actually mean that people are heard from committing that offense?

Work in a practical sense, Like, do you think that it will actually mean that people are heard from committing that offense?

That is certainly our goal, CADI. So laws have a number of things that they do. They meet a community expectation or a standard of behavior is set, They deliver.

That is certainly our goal, CADI. So laws have a number of things that they do. They meet a community expectation or a standard of behavior is set, They deliver.

A consequence for people who don't meet the community's.

A consequence for people who don't meet the community's.

Standard of behavior, and they act as a deterrent from people breaking the law in the first place.

Standard of behavior, and they act as a deterrent from people breaking the law in the first place.

Right. So this is the.

Right. So this is the.

Aim of all of these laws, and you know it'll take time for some of them to build up and people to be aware that we're serious about it, because of course, for eight long years we've had a very permissive system where crime has been free flowing and even supported effectively. So we've got to unwind a big mess and turn this ship around. But we're very committed to it, and this reform is a first step in what will be a bigger piece of work.

Aim of all of these laws, and you know it'll take time for some of them to build up and people to be aware that we're serious about it, because of course, for eight long years we've had a very permissive system where crime has been free flowing and even supported effectively. So we've got to unwind a big mess and turn this ship around. But we're very committed to it, and this reform is a first step in what will be a bigger piece of work.

Chief Minister.

Chief Minister.

Look, I can see that there's going to be a lot on the agenda for next week. There's going to be so much on the agenda when it comes to the introduction of legislation. As I said earlier, I think it is you know, the government's been elected with this mandate to try to get this thing under control. One of the changes, though, that you are looking at is is again lowering the criminal age of responsibility from twelve to ten, and it has been met with criticism. I know the Children's Commissioner Selena Musk has said that the new anti government's plan to lower the age of criminal responsibility to ten will not only fail to deliver short term outcomes for community safety, but could exasperate violent crime in years to come. What's your response to.

Look, I can see that there's going to be a lot on the agenda for next week. There's going to be so much on the agenda when it comes to the introduction of legislation. As I said earlier, I think it is you know, the government's been elected with this mandate to try to get this thing under control. One of the changes, though, that you are looking at is is again lowering the criminal age of responsibility from twelve to ten, and it has been met with criticism. I know the Children's Commissioner Selena Musk has said that the new anti government's plan to lower the age of criminal responsibility to ten will not only fail to deliver short term outcomes for community safety, but could exasperate violent crime in years to come. What's your response to.

That, Well, I just don't know what fact that's based on. I mean, at the end of the day, we had a system where no one was held accountable, violent crime escalated, domestic violence escalated. We've seen everything get worse, not better, and labor have been there weakening the laws and disempowering our police flat out over the last eight years. So I don't subscribe to that view. And ultimately, we have a very clear mandate to deliver this reform. Territorians have a right to expect us to deliver it. Our commitments and we will not make any apologies for delivering one.

That, Well, I just don't know what fact that's based on. I mean, at the end of the day, we had a system where no one was held accountable, violent crime escalated, domestic violence escalated. We've seen everything get worse, not better, and labor have been there weakening the laws and disempowering our police flat out over the last eight years. So I don't subscribe to that view. And ultimately, we have a very clear mandate to deliver this reform. Territorians have a right to expect us to deliver it. Our commitments and we will not make any apologies for delivering one.

I mean it does look as though you're going to get a significant amount of pressure on that change. Are you going to forge your head regardless?

I mean it does look as though you're going to get a significant amount of pressure on that change. Are you going to forge your head regardless?

Absolutely, And you know political commentators can commentate. My job is not to commentate. My job is to deliver a safer territory and that's what we promise and that's what.

Absolutely, And you know political commentators can commentate. My job is not to commentate. My job is to deliver a safer territory and that's what we promise and that's what.

We'll do, Chief Minister.

We'll do, Chief Minister.

Do you know if we've got many people in youth detention at the moment in the Northern.

Do you know if we've got many people in youth detention at the moment in the Northern.

Territory, it tends to fluctuate. My understanding is it's between twenty to thirty. But of course we've got so much of Labour's mess to clean up. Look at the new youth detention facility. I mean that's still not open.

Territory, it tends to fluctuate. My understanding is it's between twenty to thirty. But of course we've got so much of Labour's mess to clean up. Look at the new youth detention facility. I mean that's still not open.

Well that was going to be my next question. Is it operational yet?

Well that was going to be my next question. Is it operational yet?

No?

No?

Absolutely not, So we're still not operational. It's ridiculous.

Absolutely not, So we're still not operational. It's ridiculous.

I thought there was a.

I thought there was a.

Media event a couple of weeks before the election basically saying that it had been or like a month before the election saying it had been finished.

Media event a couple of weeks before the election basically saying that it had been or like a month before the election saying it had been finished.

Look, Katie, I hate to break it to you, but there was a lot of rubbish talked by Labor in the lead up to the election.

Look, Katie, I hate to break it to you, but there was a lot of rubbish talked by Labor in the lead up to the election.

Look, no, it's not finished. At all.

Look, no, it's not finished. At all.

We are pushing very hard for November, but as you can see, that's still an entire month.

We are pushing very hard for November, but as you can see, that's still an entire month.

Are we waiting exactly? What are we waiting?

Are we waiting exactly? What are we waiting?

In all seriousness?

In all seriousness?

Do you not?

Do you not?

It's just bits and pieces that you know, perhaps the scope wasn't right. I don't know the detail, but it's just a few bits and pieces to make it safe enough for the Use to be in there. And ultimately, you know, the trades are pulling their hair out as much as corrections as much as we are.

It's just bits and pieces that you know, perhaps the scope wasn't right. I don't know the detail, but it's just a few bits and pieces to make it safe enough for the Use to be in there. And ultimately, you know, the trades are pulling their hair out as much as corrections as much as we are.

Kadie, is it going to be difficult to get it open? Though?

Kadie, is it going to be difficult to get it open? Though?

Now at this point when you made also that promise that you're going to change the management from being with territory families to going across to corrections.

Now at this point when you made also that promise that you're going to change the management from being with territory families to going across to corrections.

No, that's already happens. We've already delivered that commitment. You have it done. It's done you. Justice is part of So.

No, that's already happens. We've already delivered that commitment. You have it done. It's done you. Justice is part of So.

Who have we got in corrections?

Who have we got in corrections?

Sorry?

Sorry?

Who have we got in don Dale? The don Dale Detention Center?

Who have we got in don Dale? The don Dale Detention Center?

Now?

Now?

Have we got correction stuff rather than territory family stuff?

Have we got correction stuff rather than territory family stuff?

Well, they've all come across. So there's two use justice offices. And we were always very clear. I know Labor tried to scare among us saying that we'd be putting kids in a youth system in an adult system.

Well, they've all come across. So there's two use justice offices. And we were always very clear. I know Labor tried to scare among us saying that we'd be putting kids in a youth system in an adult system.

That was never the case.

That was never the case.

We're always going to have appropriate level offices dealing with that. But it's about being part of a correctional framework and also supporting those youth justice workers with the powers and the backup that they need to It's a tough job, an absolutely tough job. So yeah, we can't wait to have the new facility open, and we are currently working poor corrections. I mean, they are just have been treated so badly in terms of you know, we know that our police have our watchhouses.

We're always going to have appropriate level offices dealing with that. But it's about being part of a correctional framework and also supporting those youth justice workers with the powers and the backup that they need to It's a tough job, an absolutely tough job. So yeah, we can't wait to have the new facility open, and we are currently working poor corrections. I mean, they are just have been treated so badly in terms of you know, we know that our police have our watchhouses.

Full of prisoners. They're over full.

Full of prisoners. They're over full.

So we're doing a very urgent piece of work around finding every available option of what we can do in the short, medium and long term, which of course includes our boot camps and our women's prisons. But we need beds yesterday, Katie, and there's no getting around that, Lea.

So we're doing a very urgent piece of work around finding every available option of what we can do in the short, medium and long term, which of course includes our boot camps and our women's prisons. But we need beds yesterday, Katie, and there's no getting around that, Lea.

That is a question that we get asked almost weekly. When are some of those bush camps going to get up and running? Yep.

That is a question that we get asked almost weekly. When are some of those bush camps going to get up and running? Yep.

So I'm hoping in the next couple of weeks we should have a really good announcement for everyone on our entire plan for corrections I'd really like the community to understand all of the moving pieces, because there will be many. We've got three or four watchhouses being used to house prisoners. I've got different facilities around the territory that could be used. So we're currently working over time to finalize that and then we will come out to the community and say, right, these are the tough decisions we've had to make.

So I'm hoping in the next couple of weeks we should have a really good announcement for everyone on our entire plan for corrections I'd really like the community to understand all of the moving pieces, because there will be many. We've got three or four watchhouses being used to house prisoners. I've got different facilities around the territory that could be used. So we're currently working over time to finalize that and then we will come out to the community and say, right, these are the tough decisions we've had to make.

This is the plan now.

This is the plan now.

Look. One of the other really big issues over recent days is the fact that it was being reported that lawyers at the territory's largest government legal agency, int Legal Aid, are preparing to wind back criminal services from the end of the month, with all adult contested mentions and hearings to be halted by January. The issue revolves around funding. From my understanding, have you been in talks with Legal Aid and what is the latest.

Look. One of the other really big issues over recent days is the fact that it was being reported that lawyers at the territory's largest government legal agency, int Legal Aid, are preparing to wind back criminal services from the end of the month, with all adult contested mentions and hearings to be halted by January. The issue revolves around funding. From my understanding, have you been in talks with Legal Aid and what is the latest.

I haven't directly, but I did go to Canberra as part of National Cabinet just a couple of weeks after the election, and my job there was to fight for a fairer share for the territory of that Legal Aid funding, which a large portion.

I haven't directly, but I did go to Canberra as part of National Cabinet just a couple of weeks after the election, and my job there was to fight for a fairer share for the territory of that Legal Aid funding, which a large portion.

Of it comes from the Commonwealth government.

Of it comes from the Commonwealth government.

Now, we haven't been successful in securing needs based funding and part of the problem is the neglect of the previous eight years of the former government obviously, so yeah, there are messes everywhere I turn, Katie, but ultimately having strong legal aid services and NAGA are very important. This is about access to justice, not just for offenders who need that representation, but for victims. If the court process is blocked, victims aren't getting well.

Now, we haven't been successful in securing needs based funding and part of the problem is the neglect of the previous eight years of the former government obviously, so yeah, there are messes everywhere I turn, Katie, but ultimately having strong legal aid services and NAGA are very important. This is about access to justice, not just for offenders who need that representation, but for victims. If the court process is blocked, victims aren't getting well.

If that's a massive concern.

If that's a massive concern.

That's something that I see as being a massive concern, and everybody does to serve the right to be represented. I know that the Law Society of the Northern Territory is calling upon both the Commonwealth and the Northern Territory governments to immediately address this funding issue.

That's something that I see as being a massive concern, and everybody does to serve the right to be represented. I know that the Law Society of the Northern Territory is calling upon both the Commonwealth and the Northern Territory governments to immediately address this funding issue.

What are the next steps from your perspective.

What are the next steps from your perspective.

We'll continue our negotiations in good faith with the federal government. We really hope they'll come to the table and understand our plight, particularly with NAGAR. I mean that has been suffering dysfunction for a very very long time and the Federal government has a role to play there. So there's a lot to work through, but we know that to have as strong and save community, we need to have a strong, robust leader.

We'll continue our negotiations in good faith with the federal government. We really hope they'll come to the table and understand our plight, particularly with NAGAR. I mean that has been suffering dysfunction for a very very long time and the Federal government has a role to play there. So there's a lot to work through, but we know that to have as strong and save community, we need to have a strong, robust leader.

This is the thing and we know at the moment as well, we've got a heck of a lot of prisoners on remand we've even got a situation bit while the head of the Criminal Lawyers Association telling the paper prison population remand rates are at an all time high and on the rise. You know, the legislation that you're introducing, I do think is what the community expects.

This is the thing and we know at the moment as well, we've got a heck of a lot of prisoners on remand we've even got a situation bit while the head of the Criminal Lawyers Association telling the paper prison population remand rates are at an all time high and on the rise. You know, the legislation that you're introducing, I do think is what the community expects.

But how are you going to juggle that?

But how are you going to juggle that?

Then, if we've got prisons that are as we've spoken about so many times even before the election, that are overflowing, it takes a long long time to build more prisons. And then if people aren't actually getting that legal representation and victims are feeling like their cases aren't even going to court when they should be.

Then, if we've got prisons that are as we've spoken about so many times even before the election, that are overflowing, it takes a long long time to build more prisons. And then if people aren't actually getting that legal representation and victims are feeling like their cases aren't even going to court when they should be.

Like, it's a.

Like, it's a.

Massive issue because there's many leavers, there's many parts to it.

Massive issue because there's many leavers, there's many parts to it.

So it's one thing to give police extra powers.

So it's one thing to give police extra powers.

You then need to support the courts and corrections to go with it so that it's a seamless process and that work is being done.

You then need to support the courts and corrections to go with it so that it's a seamless process and that work is being done.

You know, I just I don't have a quick answer on that.

You know, I just I don't have a quick answer on that.

Unfortunately, it's been too bigger ingrained problem, but we are getting through it, and so our immediate point is that we have to stop the bleed, We have to make people safe, We have to deal with police powers. Our second point then is dealing with the corrections mess, and the Attorney General is working through Access to Justice. So I think we can get some quick wins on the board with corrections. For example, there are other cottages that need some reparation work in Alice Springs that would then bring online about ninety six beds, so we will be able to pull a number of leavers to get the space that we need soon, while we then go ahead and build those new new adult beds and look, like I said, I look forward to announcing that comprehensive plan because I think it will there is a number of leavers on it that will require explanation to the community.

Unfortunately, it's been too bigger ingrained problem, but we are getting through it, and so our immediate point is that we have to stop the bleed, We have to make people safe, We have to deal with police powers. Our second point then is dealing with the corrections mess, and the Attorney General is working through Access to Justice. So I think we can get some quick wins on the board with corrections. For example, there are other cottages that need some reparation work in Alice Springs that would then bring online about ninety six beds, so we will be able to pull a number of leavers to get the space that we need soon, while we then go ahead and build those new new adult beds and look, like I said, I look forward to announcing that comprehensive plan because I think it will there is a number of leavers on it that will require explanation to the community.

Leah.

Leah.

Before I let you go, a quick question from Jerry Wood this morning. He said, Hi, Katie, will Leah send her new legislation to scrutiny committee.

Before I let you go, a quick question from Jerry Wood this morning. He said, Hi, Katie, will Leah send her new legislation to scrutiny committee.

We won't be this is this legislation will be put through the Parliament in the first two weeks as we promised. But we're very committed, as Jerry notes, to having those proper parliamentary processes, and so we will also be making sure that we brief the opposition and the new Crossbench, because we really want them to understand the detail of those laws as at the end of the day, they represent their.

We won't be this is this legislation will be put through the Parliament in the first two weeks as we promised. But we're very committed, as Jerry notes, to having those proper parliamentary processes, and so we will also be making sure that we brief the opposition and the new Crossbench, because we really want them to understand the detail of those laws as at the end of the day, they represent their.

Communities as Look, I know some people might sort of not really understand what a scrutiny committee does and not really care whether it goes through a scrutiny committee or not. But I suppose there will be others that are going We'll hang on a seat. We're introducing some pretty significant legislation here that could see a lot more people behind bars. Should it be scrutinized more heavily, Well, I.

Communities as Look, I know some people might sort of not really understand what a scrutiny committee does and not really care whether it goes through a scrutiny committee or not. But I suppose there will be others that are going We'll hang on a seat. We're introducing some pretty significant legislation here that could see a lot more people behind bars. Should it be scrutinized more heavily, Well, I.

Think because we've had the election period, it's been very heavily scrutinized. I mean we've talked about it and promoted it right across the territory. In detail, we're delivering on what we said we would do going forward. We have no plans to be pushing legislation through as fast as we have to do in the next two weeks. But as I said, this is crisis management for a crisis response, and we believe we have the mandate of the Territorians to deliver on this, and in fact, there is a community expectation that we must do it well.

Think because we've had the election period, it's been very heavily scrutinized. I mean we've talked about it and promoted it right across the territory. In detail, we're delivering on what we said we would do going forward. We have no plans to be pushing legislation through as fast as we have to do in the next two weeks. But as I said, this is crisis management for a crisis response, and we believe we have the mandate of the Territorians to deliver on this, and in fact, there is a community expectation that we must do it well.

Chief Minister Leah Finocchiaro, good to speak with you this morning.

Chief Minister Leah Finocchiaro, good to speak with you this morning.

Thanks so much here, Thank you,

Thanks so much here, Thank you,