The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing today? We do something that we don't usually do. We don't have that many guests on this show. Might change in the offseason. But we have coach Dickert, who is the head coach of Wake Forest, but who coached cam Ward for two years at Washington State. He was the head coach of Washington State. Cam Ward was there last year. He coached John Mattier, who was one of the biggest transfer portal quarterbacks, left Washington State to Oklahoma for seven figures. He also was an assistant coach for Wyoming Josh Allen's senior year. So this guy's this guy's seen a lot of quarterbacks and we will dive into everything nil scouting reports. He played ash and genty this year. Genty went for about two fifty on Washington State and four touchdown. So we'll talk to him about that as well as some other stuff. And we will also do a big mail bag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram Fire in those dms and get your questions answered here on the show at John Middlecoff Instagram Fire into those dms. Other than that, yeah, fired up for Coach Dickert and some mail bag and you guys know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast Spotify, Apple, wherever you may listen, which is basically those two spots. I guess maybe there's some other spot. But make sure you subscribe YouTube as well. You can do a little alert button on the old tube to make sure anytime we get a new video up, did it alert you? So go subscribe to that. And yeah, before we dive into Coach Dickert, you know, I gotta tell you about my friends, my partners, and the official ticketing app of this podcast. Do you want to go to a game? Do you want to go if you listen to this and your NBA team is in the playoffs, if your NHL team's about to be in the playoffs, if you want to go to a baseball game? My Giants actually have started pretty hot somehow. They have a better record than the Dodgers. But the Mets are good, the Yankees are good at a lot of the premium brands in baseball are good. You got concerts going on at Coachilla. Just had a big weekend. Green Day was jamming. They've been going strong now for about thirty years. I think what's his name? The lead singers from Oakland. But other than that, any they got you covered. So any game, any event. You can search by venue, you can search by arena, you can search by team. You can figure it out by price point, where you want to sit, the views from your seat. It does not get any easier. So take the guest work out of buying tickets with game time down the game Time app. Created account and USIC go John JHM for twenty dollars off for his purchase terms of play. Again, create an account redeemed the coach John for twenty dollars off down the game Time app. Today last minute ticket's lowest price is guaranteed. Okay, very very excited to be joined by the Wake Forest head coach. And for several years it came from Washington State where he coached cam Ward. And we'll get into he might be a quarterback guru even though he's a defensive guy, but his roote swide receiver offensive guy. Coach Dickard, how you doing.

The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing today? We do something that we don't usually do. We don't have that many guests on this show. Might change in the offseason. But we have coach Dickert, who is the head coach of Wake Forest, but who coached cam Ward for two years at Washington State. He was the head coach of Washington State. Cam Ward was there last year. He coached John Mattier, who was one of the biggest transfer portal quarterbacks, left Washington State to Oklahoma for seven figures. He also was an assistant coach for Wyoming Josh Allen's senior year. So this guy's this guy's seen a lot of quarterbacks and we will dive into everything nil scouting reports. He played ash and genty this year. Genty went for about two fifty on Washington State and four touchdown. So we'll talk to him about that as well as some other stuff. And we will also do a big mail bag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram Fire in those dms and get your questions answered here on the show at John Middlecoff Instagram Fire into those dms. Other than that, yeah, fired up for Coach Dickert and some mail bag and you guys know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast Spotify, Apple, wherever you may listen, which is basically those two spots. I guess maybe there's some other spot. But make sure you subscribe YouTube as well. You can do a little alert button on the old tube to make sure anytime we get a new video up, did it alert you? So go subscribe to that. And yeah, before we dive into Coach Dickert, you know, I gotta tell you about my friends, my partners, and the official ticketing app of this podcast. Do you want to go to a game? Do you want to go if you listen to this and your NBA team is in the playoffs, if your NHL team's about to be in the playoffs, if you want to go to a baseball game? My Giants actually have started pretty hot somehow. They have a better record than the Dodgers. But the Mets are good, the Yankees are good at a lot of the premium brands in baseball are good. You got concerts going on at Coachilla. Just had a big weekend. Green Day was jamming. They've been going strong now for about thirty years. I think what's his name? The lead singers from Oakland. But other than that, any they got you covered. So any game, any event. You can search by venue, you can search by arena, you can search by team. You can figure it out by price point, where you want to sit, the views from your seat. It does not get any easier. So take the guest work out of buying tickets with game time down the game Time app. Created account and USIC go John JHM for twenty dollars off for his purchase terms of play. Again, create an account redeemed the coach John for twenty dollars off down the game Time app. Today last minute ticket's lowest price is guaranteed. Okay, very very excited to be joined by the Wake Forest head coach. And for several years it came from Washington State where he coached cam Ward. And we'll get into he might be a quarterback guru even though he's a defensive guy, but his roote swide receiver offensive guy. Coach Dickard, how you doing.

John's a pleasure to be on you know, obviously exciting time to be here at Wake before is just getting our program rolling. But it's a crazy time of college football. And we're in the best profession you could ever be in.

John's a pleasure to be on you know, obviously exciting time to be here at Wake before is just getting our program rolling. But it's a crazy time of college football. And we're in the best profession you could ever be in.

How's you know what's crazy? I was looking, you know, you go to a coach's Wikipedia, and I watched some of the interviews you did. I mean, like most people coming up, you had what I saw, you say, seven jobs in eight years or something. Crazy. If I would have told you a decade ago that you'd be headed into the twenty twenty five season, you'd be coaching against Bill Belichick, would you have thought you were the coach of the New York Jets.

How's you know what's crazy? I was looking, you know, you go to a coach's Wikipedia, and I watched some of the interviews you did. I mean, like most people coming up, you had what I saw, you say, seven jobs in eight years or something. Crazy. If I would have told you a decade ago that you'd be headed into the twenty twenty five season, you'd be coaching against Bill Belichick, would you have thought you were the coach of the New York Jets.

Well, I was a big Packer fan Chiefs had growing up, so I would take that. At the at the least, My goal was to be a math teacher and coach at Kimberly High School, right, so to be able to swerve into college and to make this climb up college football, you know, started that Division III. John I was the graduate assistant that was painting the lines, that was doing the video, that was half equipment guy.

Well, I was a big Packer fan Chiefs had growing up, so I would take that. At the at the least, My goal was to be a math teacher and coach at Kimberly High School, right, so to be able to swerve into college and to make this climb up college football, you know, started that Division III. John I was the graduate assistant that was painting the lines, that was doing the video, that was half equipment guy.

You know, DB's coach.

You know, DB's coach.

And just gotta to be around the right people at the right time and work my way all the way up. And I got a unique perspective, right, there's a thin line between playing at all these levels and I think sometimes the transfer portal shows that now. But at a great place here in wake Forest and an amazing league in the ACC and ready to compete, do you you.

And just gotta to be around the right people at the right time and work my way all the way up. And I got a unique perspective, right, there's a thin line between playing at all these levels and I think sometimes the transfer portal shows that now. But at a great place here in wake Forest and an amazing league in the ACC and ready to compete, do you you.

Know, you're it was fair to call you a Midwest guy at heart coaching Dakotas for a long time and then spend some time on the West Coast going to Wake Forest. Obviously, it's an incredible opportunity and a big, you know, big conference. Is that just in the landscape of college football? Now you're write a program that. I mean, I'm from Sacramento area, so the Pac twelve grew up going to Memorial Stadium Cow games, and that conference disappeared on your watch when you were in it, and you were on the wrong side of that. I mean, uh, because I'm a big believer sometimes in regions with coaches you know, you know, so this is a pretty big move. But given the opportunity was just something you couldn't say no to.

Know, you're it was fair to call you a Midwest guy at heart coaching Dakotas for a long time and then spend some time on the West Coast going to Wake Forest. Obviously, it's an incredible opportunity and a big, you know, big conference. Is that just in the landscape of college football? Now you're write a program that. I mean, I'm from Sacramento area, so the Pac twelve grew up going to Memorial Stadium Cow games, and that conference disappeared on your watch when you were in it, and you were on the wrong side of that. I mean, uh, because I'm a big believer sometimes in regions with coaches you know, you know, so this is a pretty big move. But given the opportunity was just something you couldn't say no to.

Oh, it's one of those things down as you look at the landscape of college football, you know, for the West Coast to lose a prestigious West Coast league, I still think to this day is still a shame, right for those kids, for those fans for regional rivalries, for everything that comes with the pageantry and passion of college football. You know, you kind of step back when this opportunity came up. You start looking at the portal. You start seeing the region of the Pacific Northwest being harder, you know, to get some kids to be able to come there.

Oh, it's one of those things down as you look at the landscape of college football, you know, for the West Coast to lose a prestigious West Coast league, I still think to this day is still a shame, right for those kids, for those fans for regional rivalries, for everything that comes with the pageantry and passion of college football. You know, you kind of step back when this opportunity came up. You start looking at the portal. You start seeing the region of the Pacific Northwest being harder, you know, to get some kids to be able to come there.

And you know, the.

And you know, the.

One double as the group of fives. You know, ninety percent of those leagues are coast on down the South into Texas, and you got to be where the people are.

One double as the group of fives. You know, ninety percent of those leagues are coast on down the South into Texas, and you got to be where the people are.

And I think that's just kind of what this came into.

And I think that's just kind of what this came into.

And the more I studied about Wake Forest, the more I discovered they're ready to win, right. And I think the one thing is that no one expects anything about what we are. We're the winning this program in P four in the state of North Carolina in the last twenty five years. We're the only one in the state to win an ACC championship. Have been playing another right, so it has been done. I get to stand on a program that has a great foundation that's committed to winning in this region of the country in North Carolina is a big part.

And the more I studied about Wake Forest, the more I discovered they're ready to win, right. And I think the one thing is that no one expects anything about what we are. We're the winning this program in P four in the state of North Carolina in the last twenty five years. We're the only one in the state to win an ACC championship. Have been playing another right, so it has been done. I get to stand on a program that has a great foundation that's committed to winning in this region of the country in North Carolina is a big part.

Of why we're here.

Of why we're here.

Well, I want to talk a little bit about your background. I'm always fascinated by You were a wide receiver in college. Correct, a D three wide receiver.

Well, I want to talk a little bit about your background. I'm always fascinated by You were a wide receiver in college. Correct, a D three wide receiver.

I look like a fullback now. John. It's a tough bridge, but.

I look like a fullback now. John. It's a tough bridge, but.

Your background, the highest level in what you played was offense. But then your coaching career takes off on defense and you came up and became a head coach and you're defensive guy. But your offenses, I mean in Washington State you had cam Ward for a couple of years, I mean have been fantastic. Is that something. Did you ever look to pivot as your career was taken off or did you just get so in deep it was like it's like a relationship with the ladies, like yeah, she just might be the one and you just let them rip.

Your background, the highest level in what you played was offense. But then your coaching career takes off on defense and you came up and became a head coach and you're defensive guy. But your offenses, I mean in Washington State you had cam Ward for a couple of years, I mean have been fantastic. Is that something. Did you ever look to pivot as your career was taken off or did you just get so in deep it was like it's like a relationship with the ladies, like yeah, she just might be the one and you just let them rip.

Well, I think unique story. Like I played offense. My brother was still on the teams when I came back to be a GA. Our head coach was like, you can't coach on the same side as your brother. So I ended up thinking I was just gonna do the defensive thing for a year. The greatest opportunity in my life came as a graduate assistant under Craig Bowl, my greatest mentor in North Dakota State, and I learned a system of defense, and I just learned to fit my personality.

Well, I think unique story. Like I played offense. My brother was still on the teams when I came back to be a GA. Our head coach was like, you can't coach on the same side as your brother. So I ended up thinking I was just gonna do the defensive thing for a year. The greatest opportunity in my life came as a graduate assistant under Craig Bowl, my greatest mentor in North Dakota State, and I learned a system of defense, and I just learned to fit my personality.

I'm a math guy. I see things a certain way.

I'm a math guy. I see things a certain way.

You got to be a problem solver as a defensive coach, and I just started to work my way up college football and I just enjoyed it. You know, offense is almost too easy, John, right, But I know when we took over the head job at Washington State, you gotta be able to score points. The rules are in so the offenses can go out there and win, and quarterback is a premium position. And you know, I got to see Josh Allen's senior year at the University of Wyoming when I was there coaching obviously cam Ward for a couple of years at Washington State. Followed that up by a you know, really a Heisman campaign of John Mattier there last year. Where we're at, so we see some really high offenses and you know, while we get to put our stamp on a little bit different because I think we have one of the best players in the country here in Demon Claiborne that no one talks about it running back. So we're gonna be able to do it again. Just do it in a little bit of different fashion.

You got to be a problem solver as a defensive coach, and I just started to work my way up college football and I just enjoyed it. You know, offense is almost too easy, John, right, But I know when we took over the head job at Washington State, you gotta be able to score points. The rules are in so the offenses can go out there and win, and quarterback is a premium position. And you know, I got to see Josh Allen's senior year at the University of Wyoming when I was there coaching obviously cam Ward for a couple of years at Washington State. Followed that up by a you know, really a Heisman campaign of John Mattier there last year. Where we're at, so we see some really high offenses and you know, while we get to put our stamp on a little bit different because I think we have one of the best players in the country here in Demon Claiborne that no one talks about it running back. So we're gonna be able to do it again. Just do it in a little bit of different fashion.

Well, I want to talk about that. It's fair to say one of your big breaks was getting hired at Wyoming I think in twenty seventeen a safety coach. That means you know you're going up against the offense, especially in training camp. And you have Chris Mortensen and had that tweet after the draft to basically keep an eye on Josh Allen. So the hype was there. When you have the job, What was that experience like coaching your DBS every day against Josh Allen, who was probably letting hun mon Our fastballs just rip all over layer of me Wyoming.

Well, I want to talk about that. It's fair to say one of your big breaks was getting hired at Wyoming I think in twenty seventeen a safety coach. That means you know you're going up against the offense, especially in training camp. And you have Chris Mortensen and had that tweet after the draft to basically keep an eye on Josh Allen. So the hype was there. When you have the job, What was that experience like coaching your DBS every day against Josh Allen, who was probably letting hun mon Our fastballs just rip all over layer of me Wyoming.

It's one of those things, especially in the thin air.

It's one of those things, especially in the thin air.

I walked out to the first practice and you hear the hype of Josh and obviously what he did the year before, he threw his first field side comeback to the bottom of the numbers, and it was unlike anything I've ever seen.

I walked out to the first practice and you hear the hype of Josh and obviously what he did the year before, he threw his first field side comeback to the bottom of the numbers, and it was unlike anything I've ever seen.

A frozen rope. There's no lob to it.

A frozen rope. There's no lob to it.

And the biggest thing though about John or why I knew he was going to be successful, is that just the person he was, he knew he was a first round draft pick. The way he carried himself in the locker room. The leadership abilities Josh possessed was just and he didn't have the greatest season, and scouts would come around and they'd ask, you know, what do you think. I said, guys, take him right, don't worry about his footwork. He's a playmaker, he's a competitor. He has that it factor in the locker room, and these guys love to play for him. It was just it was different. And to see him go out there and have tons of success in the NFL, it's like that that's what it takes, is more than just a great.

And the biggest thing though about John or why I knew he was going to be successful, is that just the person he was, he knew he was a first round draft pick. The way he carried himself in the locker room. The leadership abilities Josh possessed was just and he didn't have the greatest season, and scouts would come around and they'd ask, you know, what do you think. I said, guys, take him right, don't worry about his footwork. He's a playmaker, he's a competitor. He has that it factor in the locker room, and these guys love to play for him. It was just it was different. And to see him go out there and have tons of success in the NFL, it's like that that's what it takes, is more than just a great.

Arm because one of the knocks, like you said that the stats weren't that great, but you guys had just lost right, his number one wide receiver, I think, a tight end and maybe a running back or like a lot of his skill guys from the previous year were gone. A couple of them played in the NFL, so I mean they were high end guys. It was a pretty big loss.

Arm because one of the knocks, like you said that the stats weren't that great, but you guys had just lost right, his number one wide receiver, I think, a tight end and maybe a running back or like a lot of his skill guys from the previous year were gone. A couple of them played in the NFL, so I mean they were high end guys. It was a pretty big loss.

Yeah, he lost an NFL center, tight end, receiver, tailback right, so he carried the shoulder of the load. We were really good defensively, and I thought we played well as a team, and we had seven nflers on our side of the football. So, I mean, Josh was just a special, unique talent and it really showed like what it takes to play that position at a premium level. And you know, he knew he came back in the bowl game he was going to be a first round pick. A lot of kids wouldn't do that, right, just showed his kind of love and passion to play this game.

Yeah, he lost an NFL center, tight end, receiver, tailback right, so he carried the shoulder of the load. We were really good defensively, and I thought we played well as a team, and we had seven nflers on our side of the football. So, I mean, Josh was just a special, unique talent and it really showed like what it takes to play that position at a premium level. And you know, he knew he came back in the bowl game he was going to be a first round pick. A lot of kids wouldn't do that, right, just showed his kind of love and passion to play this game.

Did your experience being around Josh impact the recruitment because you were the full time head coach by the time you recruited cam Ward correct, yep.

Did your experience being around Josh impact the recruitment because you were the full time head coach by the time you recruited cam Ward correct, yep.

Yeah, and it was a unique situation. We knew we needed to make a change. Cam was the best, obviously portal target on the market. We hired his head coach as our offensive coordinator, and it was amazing just getting to.

Yeah, and it was a unique situation. We knew we needed to make a change. Cam was the best, obviously portal target on the market. We hired his head coach as our offensive coordinator, and it was amazing just getting to.

Know him and his family. To know Cam is to know his mom and dad, right.

Know him and his family. To know Cam is to know his mom and dad, right.

His mom is one of the toughest recruiting moms I've ever been around.

His mom is one of the toughest recruiting moms I've ever been around.

Ms Patrice. She's great.

Ms Patrice. She's great.

Every time I saw her, she would come up to me and say, Coach, you better be coaching Cam hard. You better not be allowing him to just look past some of these mistakes. And I think that's the foundation of the way he grew up his story being a wing tea quarterback, coming out of high school only having the one offer, and then coming by us where we weren't established enough on offense, we lost a lot, right, so he carried the load. He's one of the most competitive people I've ever been around Zoon. I mean that from the way he carries himself, to the way he practices, to the way he attacks things. And I believe he grew up a lot in his two years at Washington State.

Every time I saw her, she would come up to me and say, Coach, you better be coaching Cam hard. You better not be allowing him to just look past some of these mistakes. And I think that's the foundation of the way he grew up his story being a wing tea quarterback, coming out of high school only having the one offer, and then coming by us where we weren't established enough on offense, we lost a lot, right, so he carried the load. He's one of the most competitive people I've ever been around Zoon. I mean that from the way he carries himself, to the way he practices, to the way he attacks things. And I believe he grew up a lot in his two years at Washington State.

Was that the first year of the transfer portal when you landed him, was that take a first.

Was that the first year of the transfer portal when you landed him, was that take a first.

Year, but it was the first kind of big year. You know, there still was only a one time transfer, you know. I think even after you know, Eric left to go be the head coach at North Texas, you know, he had to stay because he didn't graduate yet. But it's one of the best things that ever happened to him, John Is because he now came under coach Rbuckles the oct.

Year, but it was the first kind of big year. You know, there still was only a one time transfer, you know. I think even after you know, Eric left to go be the head coach at North Texas, you know, he had to stay because he didn't graduate yet. But it's one of the best things that ever happened to him, John Is because he now came under coach Rbuckles the oct.

Oklahoma and he had to learn a new drop.

Oklahoma and he had to learn a new drop.

He had to be with someone else in the room, and I think we just changed a lot of his habits and mechanics, and I think he learned going through that process. The first ten practices or so from that first spring in twenty twenty three, it was a little sloppy, and then finally when we got everything in sync, you know, you're seeing some of the highlight plays and cam is as good as it gets.

He had to be with someone else in the room, and I think we just changed a lot of his habits and mechanics, and I think he learned going through that process. The first ten practices or so from that first spring in twenty twenty three, it was a little sloppy, and then finally when we got everything in sync, you know, you're seeing some of the highlight plays and cam is as good as it gets.

What was your guy's connection? I know you were hiring the coach, but how do you from Washington State? I mean, I fall football and done this for a living for Incarnate Word. Like how because I remember talking to an assistant GM and he was going to go to the West Coast and because Camp had already played two years that he would have been draft eligible. He's like, I'm watching this kid from Incarnate Word. I've never even looked at this program, and he's really really impressive. But it's easy to say now, but looking back at the time, how does he even come on your radar? And how does that all materialize? Well?

What was your guy's connection? I know you were hiring the coach, but how do you from Washington State? I mean, I fall football and done this for a living for Incarnate Word. Like how because I remember talking to an assistant GM and he was going to go to the West Coast and because Camp had already played two years that he would have been draft eligible. He's like, I'm watching this kid from Incarnate Word. I've never even looked at this program, and he's really really impressive. But it's easy to say now, but looking back at the time, how does he even come on your radar? And how does that all materialize? Well?

I think just the whole recruiting process is obviously very unique. I mean, coaches are tied to players, right, but we also had to share our vision of what he could do at Washington State, which when you look at their hierarchy and their Mount Rushmore quarterbacks just coming off of Minshew Mania, and she Letso and Ryan Leaf, and there's been a great history of a bunch of quarterbacks. You know, Luke Folk is the all time leading passer, you know, so we sold a vision of also an offense that.

I think just the whole recruiting process is obviously very unique. I mean, coaches are tied to players, right, but we also had to share our vision of what he could do at Washington State, which when you look at their hierarchy and their Mount Rushmore quarterbacks just coming off of Minshew Mania, and she Letso and Ryan Leaf, and there's been a great history of a bunch of quarterbacks. You know, Luke Folk is the all time leading passer, you know, so we sold a vision of also an offense that.

He could come in and continue and enhance.

He could come in and continue and enhance.

And then my job as the head coach is, hey, my job is to add value right from a defensive side, a defensive lens, a high performance, you know, mental ability that we needed to get him to to play at that level. Everything was happening really fast, right, so I think to get his family on board and to know that they supported him. He was going to a region of country, he had no idea about his first time going away from home. So I thought he handled all those little things that really high fashion.

And then my job as the head coach is, hey, my job is to add value right from a defensive side, a defensive lens, a high performance, you know, mental ability that we needed to get him to to play at that level. Everything was happening really fast, right, so I think to get his family on board and to know that they supported him. He was going to a region of country, he had no idea about his first time going away from home. So I thought he handled all those little things that really high fashion.

What would your scattering report be on camp Ward?

What would your scattering report be on camp Ward?

I think the biggest thing, you know, we feel that a lot of a lot of phone calls because I think we've got a unique perspective just based on you know, we weren't the ones that found him, We weren't the ones that he ended with. Is just kind of that in between session and you know, I come back, like I said, the competitiveness, right, Like I said, I've seen Josh I've seen John Mattier see some high level guys. His anticipation in seam throws is unlike anything I've ever seen.

I think the biggest thing, you know, we feel that a lot of a lot of phone calls because I think we've got a unique perspective just based on you know, we weren't the ones that found him, We weren't the ones that he ended with. Is just kind of that in between session and you know, I come back, like I said, the competitiveness, right, Like I said, I've seen Josh I've seen John Mattier see some high level guys. His anticipation in seam throws is unlike anything I've ever seen.

His confidence to throw it in any spots.

His confidence to throw it in any spots.

And his escapability, right, there's run ability in quarterbacks, there's escapability and creativity. His is off the charts, okay. And I think he's learned a lot about that that. You know, protecting the ball, taking care of those little things is what makes great quarterbacks who they are. But he's gonna walk into a locker room and they're gonna respect him because of the work, his competitive nature and what he brings to the table. And I think you're gonna be able to trust that man. And I think that's an important characteristic. And I believe John's the number one pick in the draft.

And his escapability, right, there's run ability in quarterbacks, there's escapability and creativity. His is off the charts, okay. And I think he's learned a lot about that that. You know, protecting the ball, taking care of those little things is what makes great quarterbacks who they are. But he's gonna walk into a locker room and they're gonna respect him because of the work, his competitive nature and what he brings to the table. And I think you're gonna be able to trust that man. And I think that's an important characteristic. And I believe John's the number one pick in the draft.

Yeah, I think by all accounts he's going to be. So that's your quarterback room for those two years when he was there. John Materi's now the starting quarterback at Oklahoma. Who was your quarterback last year? You know cam Ward part of it, you saw you landed him, and then last year the situation when he kind of dabbled in the draft and then it ended up traditioning transferring to Miami. Was that a re recruitment process for you or is that one of those financial situations in this modern day college football that a little out of your control at a certain point.

Yeah, I think by all accounts he's going to be. So that's your quarterback room for those two years when he was there. John Materi's now the starting quarterback at Oklahoma. Who was your quarterback last year? You know cam Ward part of it, you saw you landed him, and then last year the situation when he kind of dabbled in the draft and then it ended up traditioning transferring to Miami. Was that a re recruitment process for you or is that one of those financial situations in this modern day college football that a little out of your control at a certain point.

I mean, it was always the plan, even I'm being honest with you, John, I've we talked to Cam him and his family were incredible. I think when you're at that level and you have a starting quarterback for two years, that's what's going to happen.

I mean, it was always the plan, even I'm being honest with you, John, I've we talked to Cam him and his family were incredible. I think when you're at that level and you have a starting quarterback for two years, that's what's going to happen.

Right.

Right.

And then obviously John, we felt extremely confident that we had the next guy, you know. And then obviously as things continue to matriculate, John's top ten and the Heisman, you know. I think it's a unique story where you just got to continue to plan and know that some these things are gonna happen.

And then obviously John, we felt extremely confident that we had the next guy, you know. And then obviously as things continue to matriculate, John's top ten and the Heisman, you know. I think it's a unique story where you just got to continue to plan and know that some these things are gonna happen.

Right.

Right.

John Mitteer is a unique story where he was going to go to Central Arkansas before we offered him. All right, he took an official visit to New Mexico State, right. But John is one of those guys is very first fall camp. I'm going home at ten PM. I look down on the field in the dark. There's John Mattier rehearsing place for the next day. Okay, there are secrets to success that ultra high performers leave behind in a trail, And I thought that was mates John, who was completely different player than Cam. That's why he's going to be successful in his own way, right, the competitive nature, how smart he is, how tough he is, how much he can get one hundred and five guys to go, you know, behind him and play for him. He is super special. So and then we were about a week away. I was telling you this off air from Land and Sam Levitt right, which had no other offers besides Washington State and was committed to us to a long period of time before Michigan State came in a week before signing days. So we've had a great run of finding those guys that really you can go out in college football and be really successful.

John Mitteer is a unique story where he was going to go to Central Arkansas before we offered him. All right, he took an official visit to New Mexico State, right. But John is one of those guys is very first fall camp. I'm going home at ten PM. I look down on the field in the dark. There's John Mattier rehearsing place for the next day. Okay, there are secrets to success that ultra high performers leave behind in a trail, And I thought that was mates John, who was completely different player than Cam. That's why he's going to be successful in his own way, right, the competitive nature, how smart he is, how tough he is, how much he can get one hundred and five guys to go, you know, behind him and play for him. He is super special. So and then we were about a week away. I was telling you this off air from Land and Sam Levitt right, which had no other offers besides Washington State and was committed to us to a long period of time before Michigan State came in a week before signing days. So we've had a great run of finding those guys that really you can go out in college football and be really successful.

You know forever, if you're not at you know, Ohio State or Texas or whatever.

You know forever, if you're not at you know, Ohio State or Texas or whatever.

I mean.

I mean.

Even Nick Saban was losing coaches all the time. When you hire a coach, I remember Mike Gundy used to talk about this a lot. He was getting so frustrated hiring bigger coaches, so he started going to smaller schools. But then those guys, even after maybe one year, would still get poached. Now you have to worry about not just the offensive coordinator as a defensive guy, but also the quarterback they're going as a package deal. I know the Wake four situation kind of materialized. It's fair to say a little later in the process. Is there a time last season when you're like, how are we going to keep this quarterback? Because you just know the landscape of college football, which five six years ago, or even when you first got involved at Wyoming, no one taught it didn't even exist. It was. It almost feels like like the nineteen fifties or something, doesn't it. I mean, you've you've been living in it, but that feels like a long time ago.

Even Nick Saban was losing coaches all the time. When you hire a coach, I remember Mike Gundy used to talk about this a lot. He was getting so frustrated hiring bigger coaches, so he started going to smaller schools. But then those guys, even after maybe one year, would still get poached. Now you have to worry about not just the offensive coordinator as a defensive guy, but also the quarterback they're going as a package deal. I know the Wake four situation kind of materialized. It's fair to say a little later in the process. Is there a time last season when you're like, how are we going to keep this quarterback? Because you just know the landscape of college football, which five six years ago, or even when you first got involved at Wyoming, no one taught it didn't even exist. It was. It almost feels like like the nineteen fifties or something, doesn't it. I mean, you've you've been living in it, but that feels like a long time ago.

It does.

It does.

I think the biggest thing is as the season kept coming, I've never done an amazing job as a program that we put a seven figure deal in front of.

I think the biggest thing is as the season kept coming, I've never done an amazing job as a program that we put a seven figure deal in front of.

John r that's so I heard on the internet.

John r that's so I heard on the internet.

That's that's incredible, And there were so many people that stepped up there. I'm so proud of like all that helping those resources. But you gotta just, like anything else, draw a line. And then I think through the kid, through their family, through their agency, all the things that they have to go through. A lot of pressure on these kids. John, right, you start talking about those type of numbers. His loyalty us in our organization was high and I never doubted or questioned John one time. I think we built a tremendous relationship. Uh we still have one. I think those things are really really important, you know, but you look at even our time at Washington State. You know we didn't do so well at the end of the season, and those are the things. As a head coach, I learned that the focus needs to be high. You know, these kids are taking in offers, you know, they're getting recruited, Like, how do you navigate those things? And I think that's a unique challenge that you know, I got to find a better way as of a head coach to make sure that I can keep everyone focused.

That's that's incredible, And there were so many people that stepped up there. I'm so proud of like all that helping those resources. But you gotta just, like anything else, draw a line. And then I think through the kid, through their family, through their agency, all the things that they have to go through. A lot of pressure on these kids. John, right, you start talking about those type of numbers. His loyalty us in our organization was high and I never doubted or questioned John one time. I think we built a tremendous relationship. Uh we still have one. I think those things are really really important, you know, but you look at even our time at Washington State. You know we didn't do so well at the end of the season, and those are the things. As a head coach, I learned that the focus needs to be high. You know, these kids are taking in offers, you know, they're getting recruited, Like, how do you navigate those things? And I think that's a unique challenge that you know, I got to find a better way as of a head coach to make sure that I can keep everyone focused.

So going through that sperience with you know, multiple quarterbacks, really, when you when you're interviewing at wake Forest, how big of a topic is the NIL I know it potentially is going to change who knows what the revenue sharing, So it might be somewhat of a moot point, but at least in the in the immediate was that top of mind for you?

So going through that sperience with you know, multiple quarterbacks, really, when you when you're interviewing at wake Forest, how big of a topic is the NIL I know it potentially is going to change who knows what the revenue sharing, So it might be somewhat of a moot point, but at least in the in the immediate was that top of mind for you?

It's now the first question.

It's now the first question.

You know you go through I mean, I think we had five of the top one hundred players or so two hundred players on the portal where our kids at Washington State. So when you find them, when you develop them, you know, when they have no stars and then they turn into these players, you got to have resources to keep them because you have built the relationships that you can stand on and you understand the family. So that's the first question I asked at Wake Forest. Are we ready to invest? And it was an overwhelming yes from a university standpoint, border region's standpoint, trustees, boosters like everyone's ready to be there. And you know, the collective nil piece has been hard for a lot of programs, right, And you know, I think that's why I'm here also too, because there's a transactional piece that has come into our game. You have to accept it. You have to know why it's great for young people and their families. But you have to stay transformational, right. You have to do it an old school a relationship way to understand these are eighteen to twenty three year old kids that need our mentorship now more than ever.

You know you go through I mean, I think we had five of the top one hundred players or so two hundred players on the portal where our kids at Washington State. So when you find them, when you develop them, you know, when they have no stars and then they turn into these players, you got to have resources to keep them because you have built the relationships that you can stand on and you understand the family. So that's the first question I asked at Wake Forest. Are we ready to invest? And it was an overwhelming yes from a university standpoint, border region's standpoint, trustees, boosters like everyone's ready to be there. And you know, the collective nil piece has been hard for a lot of programs, right, And you know, I think that's why I'm here also too, because there's a transactional piece that has come into our game. You have to accept it. You have to know why it's great for young people and their families. But you have to stay transformational, right. You have to do it an old school a relationship way to understand these are eighteen to twenty three year old kids that need our mentorship now more than ever.

And when you lose that, man, are our game is gonna fall? With it right.

And when you lose that, man, are our game is gonna fall? With it right.

So we gotta find ways to make sure we preserve the greatest game ever and find ways to make sure we're mentorshipping with these kids the best way.

So we gotta find ways to make sure we preserve the greatest game ever and find ways to make sure we're mentorshipping with these kids the best way.

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You know, I think about this lot having you know, worked for Pat Hill and seen at Fresno State, and we had so many good players and just going if this was twenty twenty five, not two thousand and nine or ten. Would they have stayed. I mean, you've been in that world now once the Pac twelve kind of dissolved in Washington State and Oregon State got the short end of the stick, which is sad because you know how much they care about football. Can those programs even boise that? I think they were pretty outspoken that Ashton gent to you. I definitely need to ask you about Uh just turned down a lot of money to stay, and I think it's fair to say that's an outlier situation moving forward. But is that kind of going to become the minor league system of college football?

You know, I think about this lot having you know, worked for Pat Hill and seen at Fresno State, and we had so many good players and just going if this was twenty twenty five, not two thousand and nine or ten. Would they have stayed. I mean, you've been in that world now once the Pac twelve kind of dissolved in Washington State and Oregon State got the short end of the stick, which is sad because you know how much they care about football. Can those programs even boise that? I think they were pretty outspoken that Ashton gent to you. I definitely need to ask you about Uh just turned down a lot of money to stay, and I think it's fair to say that's an outlier situation moving forward. But is that kind of going to become the minor league system of college football?

I'd really think, John, we're in a dangerous place, right. And I've been a big proponent of keeping the student athlete model as long as we can, right. I think that's important to our game. But I think now we've gotten to the point where we might need collective bargaining, right, We might need a certain situation where roster building is the hardest thing you've ever had to do. Now at this level, and especially at the group of five. You know, I would love to see you know, once you sign a kid out of high school, that's a three year locked in contract. It's good for the player, it's good for the university. It's just good for everyone to know. Then now as a junior, senior, right, the fourth fifth year guys, you can take advantage and move right, I'd love to see you know, almost a rookie pay scale.

I'd really think, John, we're in a dangerous place, right. And I've been a big proponent of keeping the student athlete model as long as we can, right. I think that's important to our game. But I think now we've gotten to the point where we might need collective bargaining, right, We might need a certain situation where roster building is the hardest thing you've ever had to do. Now at this level, and especially at the group of five. You know, I would love to see you know, once you sign a kid out of high school, that's a three year locked in contract. It's good for the player, it's good for the university. It's just good for everyone to know. Then now as a junior, senior, right, the fourth fifth year guys, you can take advantage and move right, I'd love to see you know, almost a rookie pay scale.

Right.

Right.

Those guys coming into your program are slotted at certain levels, right, so you know at that level, you know, okay, these are the guys that I'm locked into. These are the guys that potentially could leave, and you can at least build a roster.

Those guys coming into your program are slotted at certain levels, right, so you know at that level, you know, okay, these are the guys that I'm locked into. These are the guys that potentially could leave, and you can at least build a roster.

Right, there was a point where you know, you don't know, as any.

Right, there was a point where you know, you don't know, as any.

Team, I guess we could. At the same time, you could lose every running back, every quarterback.

Team, I guess we could. At the same time, you could lose every running back, every quarterback.

It just you can't plan. And that could be twice a year now.

It just you can't plan. And that could be twice a year now.

So whatever level you're talking about, you know, we need to have a better fixture of like how to build teams. I support the portal, I support you know, these guys getting rev share like all that things supported. But from a team building, roster building management, no matter what level you're at, we got to get a better handle on who's doing what we're and how so we can make sure we're building teams the right way.

So whatever level you're talking about, you know, we need to have a better fixture of like how to build teams. I support the portal, I support you know, these guys getting rev share like all that things supported. But from a team building, roster building management, no matter what level you're at, we got to get a better handle on who's doing what we're and how so we can make sure we're building teams the right way.

Do you have a philosophy on the pie of money to go. This is what I think recruits are worth freshman or worth relative to transfer guy like a cam Ward in the portal And if so, did you develop that by talking to people in the NFL to kind of gauge how to kind of balance the economics of this world?

Do you have a philosophy on the pie of money to go. This is what I think recruits are worth freshman or worth relative to transfer guy like a cam Ward in the portal And if so, did you develop that by talking to people in the NFL to kind of gauge how to kind of balance the economics of this world?

Yeah, I mean we were the first at Washington stated to go to a GM model. When I got hired in twenty twenty two.

Yeah, I mean we were the first at Washington stated to go to a GM model. When I got hired in twenty twenty two.

You could see where the game was going.

You could see where the game was going.

And our biggest philosophy is you have to pay for production, not potential. Right, that just has to be part of what we do. And still stay towards a developmental structure. Right, find kids at low value, find the traits that you can develop, put them in what I call the slow cooker. Life is in a microwave society. Football players want it now. We got to find the right men that want to develop and then have the resources later in their career to stay in. Yeah, every position is a certain you know, we do it this way, right. You come in at a lower level once you're a low volume backup. That's a certain value, high value backup, certain level, low volume starter, high volume starter and Obviously everyone has those exceptions, right that you need to make sure you're going to the top of the market.

And our biggest philosophy is you have to pay for production, not potential. Right, that just has to be part of what we do. And still stay towards a developmental structure. Right, find kids at low value, find the traits that you can develop, put them in what I call the slow cooker. Life is in a microwave society. Football players want it now. We got to find the right men that want to develop and then have the resources later in their career to stay in. Yeah, every position is a certain you know, we do it this way, right. You come in at a lower level once you're a low volume backup. That's a certain value, high value backup, certain level, low volume starter, high volume starter and Obviously everyone has those exceptions, right that you need to make sure you're going to the top of the market.

So that's how we need to stay.

So that's how we need to stay.

And you know, obviously the current situation of the quarterback out there shows at time teams now need to know when to step away. And I think that's the hardest part because you're emotionally attached to these kids. You know these kids, right, You've invested a lot in these kids. So I think there's a balance. You know, We've asked a lot of different programs. We've been around some other NFL teams, but their models are different. Because free agency, they know when kids are up, they know when they can sign them. There isn't two periods that can happen, right, So there's some things that you know, even they're like, you know, that doesn't happen in our world.

And you know, obviously the current situation of the quarterback out there shows at time teams now need to know when to step away. And I think that's the hardest part because you're emotionally attached to these kids. You know these kids, right, You've invested a lot in these kids. So I think there's a balance. You know, We've asked a lot of different programs. We've been around some other NFL teams, but their models are different. Because free agency, they know when kids are up, they know when they can sign them. There isn't two periods that can happen, right, So there's some things that you know, even they're like, you know, that doesn't happen in our world.

When you got hired, the portal was open, correct, in the middle of December.

When you got hired, the portal was open, correct, in the middle of December.

Well, I think the biggest thing is we got in.

Well, I think the biggest thing is we got in.

You know, I was hired December twentieth, right right around there, so you know it's already been open for two weeks, right. I like to say we came in at the end of the draft, right, We're trying to find the best value for us, you know at that time, and I thought we did a really good job of that. Right now, in this cycle, it's always a little bit different.

You know, I was hired December twentieth, right right around there, so you know it's already been open for two weeks, right. I like to say we came in at the end of the draft, right, We're trying to find the best value for us, you know at that time, and I thought we did a really good job of that. Right now, in this cycle, it's always a little bit different.

You know.

You know.

In Wake four is like we want to get out of this. We're getting thirty kids a year out of the portal, right is the handwere dealt. We got to continue to enhance and run.

In Wake four is like we want to get out of this. We're getting thirty kids a year out of the portal, right is the handwere dealt. We got to continue to enhance and run.

Is that what your number was this fall?

Is that what your number was this fall?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, twenty, you know, twenty about twenty and ten twenty in the fall?

Yeah, twenty, you know, twenty about twenty and ten twenty in the fall?

Ten now and you know that need that number.

Ten now and you know that need that number.

Needs to be from five to ten, and you supplement the positions on your team that you need to go.

Needs to be from five to ten, and you supplement the positions on your team that you need to go.

You know, hans a little bit.

You know, hans a little bit.

When you get hired and guys on your own team or in the portal, it's obviously a whirlwind. How do you know, It's like you look back, I would have loved to keep that guy. I just had a lot going on. I'm trying to hire coaches. Almost feels like a predicament that's unsolvable at the time.

When you get hired and guys on your own team or in the portal, it's obviously a whirlwind. How do you know, It's like you look back, I would have loved to keep that guy. I just had a lot going on. I'm trying to hire coaches. Almost feels like a predicament that's unsolvable at the time.

If the NCAA asked me, like what you learn from the transition, I would love to have a ten day period where your team cannot get in the portal, allow a new coach to get there, to get established and at least be able to meet the team. Okay, we know in today's world, as soon as coach Classon resigned. You know, every starter on our team was fielding calls just during that uncertainty period. And that's tough, right, and just the way it is. I meanyone can complain about it. I think that's the way college football is structured now. So I would love a ten day period where just allow for a conversation to happen, right, And you know, there's nothing more important than trying to retain a roster so you can build off it.

If the NCAA asked me, like what you learn from the transition, I would love to have a ten day period where your team cannot get in the portal, allow a new coach to get there, to get established and at least be able to meet the team. Okay, we know in today's world, as soon as coach Classon resigned. You know, every starter on our team was fielding calls just during that uncertainty period. And that's tough, right, and just the way it is. I meanyone can complain about it. I think that's the way college football is structured now. So I would love a ten day period where just allow for a conversation to happen, right, And you know, there's nothing more important than trying to retain a roster so you can build off it.

And you know it comes with unique challenges.

And you know it comes with unique challenges.

Especially by the time I got hired, every kid was at home, right, so we had to do that over zoom and FaceTime, and you know this, you just can't feel the energy of a new staff that way.

Especially by the time I got hired, every kid was at home, right, so we had to do that over zoom and FaceTime, and you know this, you just can't feel the energy of a new staff that way.

Okay. I do want to talk about some of the guys that you've coached against, especially a lot of them are on offense and you're a defensive guy. I don't want to bring him a bad memory, but Ashon Jenty, that's a bad memory right there. Just just talk to me because he's he's a hot topic. I mean, he looks from Boise State has a chance to go in the top six or seven picks. He had a huge day against you guys, and you're a good defense. But I mean, in fairness, he did that against everybody. He did that against Oregon. He was the number one team in the country. From a game planning perspective, what did you see against him? And then what in the game were you're blown away by?

Okay. I do want to talk about some of the guys that you've coached against, especially a lot of them are on offense and you're a defensive guy. I don't want to bring him a bad memory, but Ashon Jenty, that's a bad memory right there. Just just talk to me because he's he's a hot topic. I mean, he looks from Boise State has a chance to go in the top six or seven picks. He had a huge day against you guys, and you're a good defense. But I mean, in fairness, he did that against everybody. He did that against Oregon. He was the number one team in the country. From a game planning perspective, what did you see against him? And then what in the game were you're blown away by?

We really underestimated his speed, Okay, And I go back to the Oregon tape and you're watching him run away from those guys, you know, and you're just kind of watching it.

We really underestimated his speed, Okay, And I go back to the Oregon tape and you're watching him run away from those guys, you know, and you're just kind of watching it.

And his contact balance is elite guy.

And his contact balance is elite guy.

He is about feels like five to eight, but he is a bowling ball of athleticism and power and speed. So he broke more tackles on us, I think than he did on anybody else, you know, statistically speaking, And it was his contact balance, the way he finished his and when he's out in the opening space, you're not catching him, right. So it was a unique challenge of trying to find ways and we were in that game and he broke two big fourth quarter you know, touchdown runs that just put us away. And it's a unique talent, but once again a guy that trusted the process the year before. I mean, you're talking about a backup tailback, right, and for him to burst on the scene. They always knew they had that type of talented player, and to kind of see it all the way through, I think it is good for college football.

He is about feels like five to eight, but he is a bowling ball of athleticism and power and speed. So he broke more tackles on us, I think than he did on anybody else, you know, statistically speaking, And it was his contact balance, the way he finished his and when he's out in the opening space, you're not catching him, right. So it was a unique challenge of trying to find ways and we were in that game and he broke two big fourth quarter you know, touchdown runs that just put us away. And it's a unique talent, but once again a guy that trusted the process the year before. I mean, you're talking about a backup tailback, right, and for him to burst on the scene. They always knew they had that type of talented player, and to kind of see it all the way through, I think it is good for college football.

I mean, Michael Pani's bow, Nick Travis Hunter Shador is safe to say he was the best player in your three plus years there at Washington State that you went against.

I mean, Michael Pani's bow, Nick Travis Hunter Shador is safe to say he was the best player in your three plus years there at Washington State that you went against.

We went against Caleb Williams. I'm trying to think of all the other players.

We went against Caleb Williams. I'm trying to think of all the other players.

It was a quarterback bill at Arizona.

It was a quarterback bill at Arizona.

I'm sure, yeah, I mean I would put Caleb Williams up there, just I mean, and we held him under three hundred yards passing, and I don't know if anyone did that that year. He was just an incredible talent to do it. Genti's right up there, you know, Pennix. You know, I still think the offensive line at Washington that year was just phenomenal. You know, all those players. So he's right up there, and he deserves everything that's coming his way. And you know, obviously, you know, I know, you know, coach Danielson over there a little bit just speaks to his character, and I think all those things put together, you know, he's he's right up there as far as the toughest people we've had to defend.

I'm sure, yeah, I mean I would put Caleb Williams up there, just I mean, and we held him under three hundred yards passing, and I don't know if anyone did that that year. He was just an incredible talent to do it. Genti's right up there, you know, Pennix. You know, I still think the offensive line at Washington that year was just phenomenal. You know, all those players. So he's right up there, and he deserves everything that's coming his way. And you know, obviously, you know, I know, you know, coach Danielson over there a little bit just speaks to his character, and I think all those things put together, you know, he's he's right up there as far as the toughest people we've had to defend.

Someone asked me about a comp with cam Ward. Do you think there are some similarities in the way they play with Caleb little different body types, but.

Someone asked me about a comp with cam Ward. Do you think there are some similarities in the way they play with Caleb little different body types, but.

Yeah, yeah, And I think that's the one thing Cam you know, you know, we do these scouting deals and everyone after the twenty two seasons like, hey, we got to get his body in order, and he did that. I think the escapability to wear off script. You know, defensive coordinators can come in with all these fancy plans, right, this is how we're gonna run this coverage.

Yeah, yeah, And I think that's the one thing Cam you know, you know, we do these scouting deals and everyone after the twenty two seasons like, hey, we got to get his body in order, and he did that. I think the escapability to wear off script. You know, defensive coordinators can come in with all these fancy plans, right, this is how we're gonna run this coverage.

This covers this coverage.

This covers this coverage.

But when those guys break down and they playoff script, there's no defense for that. And I think that's what makes the quarterbacking special. It's the number one thing when we start to dive into taking a quarterback, you know, we make an off script tape.

But when those guys break down and they playoff script, there's no defense for that. And I think that's what makes the quarterbacking special. It's the number one thing when we start to dive into taking a quarterback, you know, we make an off script tape.

That's what makes you elite.

That's what makes you elite.

And I think that's why Cam and the Caleb Williams, you know, Pennix was a little more pocket pass or NFL ready that way, but that what makes the special player. Like I grew up on Brett farv Right, you're gonna take a lot of the good with the bad sometimes, and Cam's that way a little bit because he's the ultimate gun slinger, like he's gonna throw it into some tight spaces.

And I think that's why Cam and the Caleb Williams, you know, Pennix was a little more pocket pass or NFL ready that way, but that what makes the special player. Like I grew up on Brett farv Right, you're gonna take a lot of the good with the bad sometimes, and Cam's that way a little bit because he's the ultimate gun slinger, like he's gonna throw it into some tight spaces.

But you need that.

But you need that.

You can as a head coach saying oh, this was terrible, and then celebrate him. You know, fourth and sixth against Oregon in a whirling left handed pass. It goes with it, and I think there's a style that he plays that I think is really unique.

You can as a head coach saying oh, this was terrible, and then celebrate him. You know, fourth and sixth against Oregon in a whirling left handed pass. It goes with it, and I think there's a style that he plays that I think is really unique.

Me and Coward were talking about this the other day. You know, you and I are similar ages. Forever. It was the Carson Palmers, the Manning Brothers, the Bradys. You've been now deep in evaluating high school football. If you look at the last three or four years, even Pennix was viewed as a pocket quarterback and then he ran like four or five two. Same thing with CJ. Stroud. It's like the the the guy that's six' six that can't. Move does that guy exist in high school football?

Me and Coward were talking about this the other day. You know, you and I are similar ages. Forever. It was the Carson Palmers, the Manning Brothers, the Bradys. You've been now deep in evaluating high school football. If you look at the last three or four years, even Pennix was viewed as a pocket quarterback and then he ran like four or five two. Same thing with CJ. Stroud. It's like the the the guy that's six' six that can't. Move does that guy exist in high school football?

Anymore he, Exists he's out, there but not a lot of people are designing offense for that guy because it's hard.

Anymore he, Exists he's out, there but not a lot of people are designing offense for that guy because it's hard.

Right and would you recruit that?

Right and would you recruit that?

Guy we would. NOT i mean you have to be able.

Guy we would. NOT i mean you have to be able.

To we're a big Fan john of not having the same skill sets in the.

To we're a big Fan john of not having the same skill sets in the.

Room, right we got to.

Room, right we got to.

You, know we signed a kid out Of Steel pizzella that's five ten and a half ran ten four in high.

You, know we signed a kid out Of Steel pizzella that's five ten and a half ran ten four in high.

School.

School.

Right we GOT Dsn purdy that's six' five two and twenty. Five pounds he got a.

Right we GOT Dsn purdy that's six' five two and twenty. Five pounds he got a.

Rocket, Arm, right well why?

Rocket, Arm, right well why?

Is that don't you want a similar? Skill? Set, historically like.

Is that don't you want a similar? Skill? Set, historically like.

You know what we, really, don't RIGHT because i think the best coaches designed the offense to what, they, Have right and the one trade that will always be in there is athleticism to threaten, To, Run right that's the, one trade, not size but it's the athleticism to be a dual threat and flatten out. The DEFENSE and i think that's the important pieces of what. They bring like even can we run cam a?

You know what we, really, don't RIGHT because i think the best coaches designed the offense to what, they, Have right and the one trade that will always be in there is athleticism to threaten, To, Run right that's the, one trade, not size but it's the athleticism to be a dual threat and flatten out. The DEFENSE and i think that's the important pieces of what. They bring like even can we run cam a?

Little?

Little?

Bit Right But john mattier opened up a whole different level of. The offense so you got to be crafty and creative enough to make sure you're designing it about you, know whatever the best you know elite trade is of.

Bit Right But john mattier opened up a whole different level of. The offense so you got to be crafty and creative enough to make sure you're designing it about you, know whatever the best you know elite trade is of.

Your QUARTERBACK what i know you Guys played colorado toward the end of the season two years ago when the team. Was, struggling Uh was travis healthy in? That game was he?

Your QUARTERBACK what i know you Guys played colorado toward the end of the season two years ago when the team. Was, struggling Uh was travis healthy in? That game was he?

Was back He Was.

Was back He Was.

Shador sanders, you know he played for about a quarter and a half and then he wasn't.

Shador sanders, you know he played for about a quarter and a half and then he wasn't.

Out There And travis hunter is a unique.

Out There And travis hunter is a unique.

Skill set now he, caught ah he mossed a couple of our guys, you know back in the end zone and scored a couple. Of touchdowns he's, unique player obviously a, unique Competitor and i'm just excited to see him do it at the. NEXT level i think there's something that's obviously, very intriguing and, you know the best is still in front.

Skill set now he, caught ah he mossed a couple of our guys, you know back in the end zone and scored a couple. Of touchdowns he's, unique player obviously a, unique Competitor and i'm just excited to see him do it at the. NEXT level i think there's something that's obviously, very intriguing and, you know the best is still in front.

Of him did you think what could be what he did this year could be done playing all those snaps? Both ways when.

Of him did you think what could be what he did this year could be done playing all those snaps? Both ways when.

It, FIRST started i, was like this, can't, continue right, you know and to do it at an. Elite level but to be able to focus, AND develop i think. IS hard, i think in, my mind how do you even practice? This right so to be able to, DO that i think it's so UNIQUE and i think it's so good for college football now because, of, That though i've been asked the question about playing both ways. More, times yeah it doesn't happen. Like that is a once in a generational type talent that can do those type. Of Things so i'm just excited to see if he can continue that at the.