John does a massive mailbag that is centered around answering your draft questions. He dives into his thoughts on giving draft grades immediately after the draft, if it matters to teams where players went to college and how much of an impact the school could make on where you get picked. He also dives into a bunch of Shedeur questions and if after everything that has happened with him, does he like the attention that he's been getting. All that and more!
5:25 - Mailbag
12:34 - Does the school matter
15:04 - Does Shedeur like the attention
30:55 - Why did Ewers go so late
50:31 - Is Cam Ward the least talked about #1 pick
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The volume. What is happening in my people? How are we doing? I'm John, This is three and our podcast and we are pedal of the metal because the Draft is over and we're just getting started. I wanted to say a big thank you for everyone that listened to the podcast or watched on the old YouTube. We had a big three or four days, a couple shows with Colin. We had a Reaction on Thursday, we had one on Friday, we had another one last night. So we really appreciate everyone that tuned in because we had a big weekend with obviously the lead story of Shdor Sanders. That helped out a lot. So we appreciate that happening because I think the draft would have struggled from a headline perspective without him coming up off last year with the quarterbacks. But other than that, Today's gonna be a big mailbag. I kind of emptied the mail bag out, so at John Middlecoff is the Instagram and just fire in those dms and get your questions answered here on the show. We will obviously have a lot of mailbags this offseason. I mean it's been the off season for a while, so we'll just keep having mail bags. With normal shows, but today is gonna be a mail bag only. I think I might do a go Low tomorrow. We haven't done one of those in a couple of weeks because last week was the Draft, but I know we have a bunch of mailbag questions for the go Lo which I'm gonna try to bang out. And we haven't really talked since Roy won the Masters. But this will be a very very draft heavy mail bag today and uh yeah, very excited for the spring. Some of you guys that are new to the podcasts like, well, what do you do now? I don't know. We just keep podcasting this year round, baby, maybe a week or two off in the summer, but other than that, we don't stop and we're talking. So you can find us every day. You guys know the drill. 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One silly Shanahan reach with Watkins the ole miss wide receiver, but everything else will value with the defensive line as the main focus. Every year the Niners get ridiculed in the draft, then the actual core talent is the rounds four through seven. How much doc should we even put into these draft grades? Listen? I mean, draft grades are the dumbest thing in the history of the Internet in terms of to take them seriously. No one has any clue. The greaters, the teams, the actual players, the fans, no one knows shit. I mean, no one has any clue. Now totally understand why they do draft grades because the written word on the Internet has never been less powerful. Right, videos and podcasts wiped them out, but that is still something that gets people to click I'm guilty. I see. Someone was like, I'll click. I've clicked on multiple draft grades, not even because I care. I just can't help it. It's like an I've been doing it for multiple decades. No different than mock drafts. Think how irrelevant mock drafts are. Nobody knew that the Jacks were gonna trade out, nobody, and then all of a sudden they trade up, and the mock drafts are kind of irrelevant because all of a sudden, Travis Hunter is not playing for the Browns and he's on the Jacks. And then it sets off like a domino effect. And it happens every year, but we consume a lot of mock drafts. Kyle Shanahan said his wife called him on draft day. They just said she looked at a mock draft and they really wanted mikel Williams, the guy that ended up taking and he was like picked twenty eight in the mock draft. She looked at and says, Kyle, maybe she said, honey. Maybe she said, babe, are we sure that we're drafting the right guy? Are you overvaluing this player? And even Kyle was like, had toy like rethink, but yeah, it's like the mock drafts. The draft grades impact the fun of this whole thing, but they don't matter. I've been to the majority of Kyle Shanahan training camps, and the one thing I've learned, you get really excited, like any training camp you go to when you have a high pick and doing the Raiders forever Khalil Mcamari Cooper. Back to back years. You know with the forty nine ers they had Solomon Thomas and then Nick Bosa. I think back to back years obviously Trey Lance when they drafted really high. It's exciting to go see the first overall pick. But look at the names that I just gave out. Solomon Thomas never got his fifth year option picked up and is on like this fourth different team. Trey Lance is one of the biggest draft whiffs of all time. Why because Brock Party came in, Wally pipped him and it wasn't even close. Not a soul that was at training camp Rock Perty's rookie year went hey, there's Brock Purty. Do you know that this guy is gonna become the starter? No one said that, of course, not no one ever would say that, And I think you got to be very careful with just drafts. And this is why I don't get that into it beside like the super famous players, because we see it every year. I've been to these practices where all of a sudden, it's like, well, the third round guy is getting beat out by an undrafted free agent. The amount of guys that signed undrafted free agent contracts that will make teams for everybody is pretty mind blowing. And the thing with the forty nine ers was clear. I disagree with Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch in terms of their emphasis on offensive line, especially the tackle position, like they are just allergic to taking tackles. I would draft tackles, multiple tackles throughout the draft. I would treat them like other positions, like maybe we'll hit on a guy in the fourth round. I'm not looking for Trent Williams in the fourth round, but can't I get a serviceable player? And they just don't do that, you know. And now maybe they were in position and guys went above them. I know in the third round the Raiders took a couple offensive line and they were probably interested in. But I asked around the NFL because I felt like I like Jalen Walker, a little bit more than Michael Williams. I was rebuffed, like middle Cooff, I think you're overhyping it. I didn't meet many people that I know that didn't weren't extremely high on their first round pick, six', five two hundred and seventy, pounds just you, know he's a little, stiff but like he's got a chance to be a, really really good player in THE. Nfl their second pick is six' five six three hundred and, thirty pounds the defensive Lineman. From texas THAT'S where i got. SOME eh i think it's a. LITTLE rich a lot of teams put a lot of emphasis in pass rushing from their interier. Defensive lineman this guy's not really a. Pass rusher he's much more of a, run stuffer and he's battled defensive injury concerns over the course of. His career but one thing with those first, two picks they got enormous human beings and their defensive line is. Non existent It's Like. Nick bosa and then it's That will smith jiff where he walks into the h, you know to. The mansion. Everyone's gone he's just standing on the rug. Looking around that's what it looks like after they've literally got rid. Of EVERYBODY so i never have a problem taking blue chip players from blue chip programs and it's on you to coach. Them up and their defensive line coach has had a lot. OF success i think in the third round they had drafted the kind of run and hit Guy From, oklahoma state which again some of my friends didn't love, the player but, you know you watch. His Highlights howie roseman talked about this over the course of the. Draft weekend this game is so much about space and, speed now and that's what this. Guy IS but i mean put an emphasis on their later. Round picks they have hit on a lot of, those guys but you know. WHO knows i, Don't KNOW so i have. No issue i'm not pushing back against people going their draft suck like nobody knows they'll. Be fun the key to their draft is going to be those two defensive linemen gotta be good and obviously ideally hit on some random guys throughout the course of the third through, seventh, Round RIGHT but i think they had two, High picks pick eleven and pick whatever it was forty four or forty three or five or whatever number it was in the, Second round like those guys gotta, Be good like those, were, really really really valuable assets in. This draft when a team is reviewing a, draft prospect how much does the school play a factor in their? Draft grade generally speaking, For context I'm an iowa sadalum and it. Feels great So many cyclones not only got drafted four in the twenty five draft five AS, a udfa but also seeing them make on the field contributions throughout, the season with Perty holland montgomery being great examples. Among others, YOU know i Think Because, IOWA state, i mean let's, face It The big twelve is the worst Of the, power conferences But Under, matt campbell they've proven now TO have nfl. Ready guys boise falls under. This CATEGORY when i Was At, Fresno State pat hill fell under. This category there are certain programs that aren't like, blue blood blue chip top ten programs that, are like we're getting a high level player. From there, You know iowa is never gonna win the. NATIONAL championship i was probably never even gonna make, the playoffs but you draft certain players, from there like YOU'RE getting. Nfl guys, and obviously when you DRAFT players I saw monty auesenfort the line almost. Ad linebacker the general manager From The arizona, cardinals SAY because i think they Drafted Multiple ohio, state players and, he's like think how hard? Practice is we know how much you know in terms of they play in the bright, light games they, play in all these, playoff games they play In Multiple, Penn state Michigan. And oregon like you playing huge games throughout the, regular season think. About practice and this was True, for alabama this is now True. For georgia this is True At state Michigan. Under harbob if you ARE a dB At, ohio state every single day YOU'RE. Playing, nfl guy if you Played For, nick saban no matter what position, you play every single day, at practice you're going up from your, freshman year going up AGAINST other. Nfl people so obviously the games when, you play, you know certain competition depending on. The week but when you're the Top Programs, Ohio, state Georgia, Now texas sarks really turned them in to a top. Flight program and OBVIOUSLY the nil having money. Has HELPED but i think when he first, got there they didn't even have a. PLAYER drafted I mean texas was in a, bad spot and he's turned them pretty quickly just into one of the. Elites AGAIN and i think that really. Really matters for, You know oklahoma was like This Under bob stoops and Then the lincoln is like SO many, nfl guys you just get better practicing, Every DAY so i think it really. Really matters and if you're not going to, be at, you know one of the quote unquote, blue bloods you got to earn the respect of. The LEAGUE and I Think matt Campbell And iowa state really has because they have guys that are ready to, come in contribute and play at a really. HIGH level i have a question with the Fall. Of sanders is he privately happy that every single podcast in the sport show led with? Him today when is the last time in draft history that a fifth round draft pick was the? Lead story doesn't it just feed the. LEGENDARY ego i was kind of thinking about. That today wherever you fall, on him it's gotta be. Pretty CRAZY and i get His Das's, dion sanders but he kind of got The Like tim. Tebow. TREATMENT now a huge part of that is if he had just gone pick twenty one To the steelers or somewhere in, the forties it wouldn't have been, the same like anytime you're part of like a legendary no pun, intended fall a precipitous drop viewed by. People listen i'm sure there are PEOPLE like i can't take hearing, this ANYMORE and i tend to fall that, Way too but this has been one of the CRAZIER stories i could just see by the Numbers that I've since i've been doing this for a decade plus. EVER seen i don't know how. HE feels i have never met, the kid know nothing. About him seems like he handled it pretty well in terms of like from the, PRANK call i know he went to the club and has like a bunch of money In a Louis something i'm not even a briefcase. Or something but maybe he just doesn't. Even care maybe he's kind of numb. To it maybe he truly doesn't give a, shit honestly or maybe. He does i'm done even trying to guess where. He falls be Interesting when dion comes out with his first comments where, he falls because we haven't Really seen dion like just, sit down, you know with on a show and sling. Some takes because that's coming you could convince me a lot of. Different, Angles well i'd. Be Stunned if dion IS like i, SCREWED up I wish i would have handled. IT differently i don't think he's throwing that pitch so but whenever we get, HIM talking i. Don't know Are the lynch Forty nine ers just playing bad? At drafting in three years twenty one to, twenty three they only have two players who will see a second contract with, The Team brock Perdy. And leonor they seem to overvalue perceive fit in their system compared to, consensus rankings while teams Like the Eagles and lions have been stacking blue chips by not overthinking. The picks do you think this year's forty nine ers draft class could? Be different? And, why well. It's hard when you, draft eleven you don't get the pick of, the litter but you get the option to select guys that the, good Teams, the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Ravens the bills would die to have. Access to they. Would have imagine what all those teams would do to have the access To Draft, michael williams who most people thought was gonna go in the. Top Ten john lynn said he was gonna go in the. Top TEN so i don't, give YOU like i don't give the forty nine ers credit On Drafting, Nick bosa but you just don't get any credit, on that like, no shit, Easy pick like you don't get credit On Drafting. Miles garrett, if anything it's an indictment that you suck so bad to draft that high where you do get a lot. Of credit, it's, Like Well fred warner in, The Third george kittle in, The Fifth rock purty in, The seventh Leonore. WAS leonora I think leonore is a Fifth And abry thomas was. A third. Like that that's those are really. Good picks you get credit. For Those, Michael WILLIAMS like i don't. GIVE you i give you a little more Credit than bosa because you're drafting eleven, nuts two but like you get credit in, the, second third, fourth round and we'd all be taking. Educated guesses nobody has. Any, Clue honestly i've heard a lot of PEOPLE that i know don't love their. Draft picks but not a soul Ever thought purty was any good plays some pretty big games so far in his. Short career since it appears should door the other thing with the forty, Nine, ers like here's the thing With. The Eagles howie roseman runs. The Draft howie roseman is, the boss he runs. The Draft kyle shanahan and the coaching staff has a massive impact on. The draft obviously They let john do. Some Stuff But john lynch is not picking a Player That kyle shanahan doesn't want and probably isn't pushing. To GET so i think that depending on, Your building Like the chiefs, Right now breviach runs. The Draft andy, REDES like i don't want to, do this and he's. Done that he's been like that since he Got To, kansas city and look how they've done, pretty good a lot. Of success scout should scout gms should pick players coaches. To coach but that's not really how a lot of the way the sport works anymore because most of These, like seattle got a ton, of credit like great looking draft. On paper mike McDonald's not picking the, Players JOHNIS so i don't love, my coach, you know picking all. THE players i DON'T because i do think it's difficult for them to separate evaluation from the way they view it through a. Coaching, lens obviously it can help them out, positively SOMETIMES but i think like almost knowing too much football limit your a way to. Be objective that, sounds CRAZY but i promise you some of these coaches are terrible evaluators and. Great coaches it's. COMPLETELY different i would say. PROFESSION almost i mean it. Really is even though it's under the umbrella. Of football it couldn't be. 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Since It appears shador To the browns Was A jimmy. Haslam move do you think He's even do you think he even gets drafted without an owner facilitating. The pick it's a hell of, a, QUESTION MAN i i think the easy, answer, is, like well, never know. WHO knows i would have a hard time thinking THAT some gm would go with, Seventh round, but like what THE hell, i, mean honestly what's the difference in a quote unquote bad draft between like the fourth or fifth round and the seventh with a quarterback like he's gonna be a backup no. Matter WHAT so i do think, WHEN owner i think owners would have got involved in the sixth or the seventh round because, they go we're not paying this. Guy anything it's. On me if you guys want to cut, this guy you can cut him whenever. You want but there is too much. Value HERE so i think let's Say the browns never Exist Or jimmy haslam never forces. THEIR hand i think he, Gets drafted but if you told me that he got drafted in the, seventh ROUND like i think it would be on, the table which again is kind of crazy because, talent wise he's a top fifty player clearly top seventy five player. At WORSE so i don't think anyone would, debate that but it does. REALLY matter i MEAN the I just I remember i did something On The todd. Nickshay, REPORT again i was just giving my opinion based on that report because at, the time and this was two, months ago It's like todd doesn't really just throw shit out at the wall and hope. It sticks and he said like he's had some, awful MEETINGS and i remember thinking and, saying, that like that's pretty crazy to me because usually like this is kind of an important. Job interview, you know it's one where if you get, drafted high they don't, pay millions they pay like forty. Million dollars if you get drafted in the, second round you make millions, Of dollars like it's kind of a. Big deal and then, you know like classic on, the comments he didn't want to. Conform that you see that. A lot, it's, like, well guys part of, this business like in any business where a lot of money's online when you're interviewing, with someone is to kind of be on your. Best behavior literally everyone, does it especially people that aren't in any people that don't historically, in football one are either just complete morons and deserve to fail because they, usually do or people that are so goddamn good they could walk into, an interview pull down their pants and fart on the people interviewing them and nothing. Would matter, it's, LIKE hey, i, was well take you forth like he and he did not fall into, that category but in, his mind and this is what really turned. People, off clearly he carried himself like he was the greatest thing since slice spread based on all these reports and obviously just look at. The actions yet they all looked at him just like a run of the, mill player which, to me if This Wasn't, shadoor sanders and that's what makes this such a polarizing thing as, his name but if he was just a normal player and he had acted like that and we all thought like he should be a top couple round pick, and fell every single person would be calling this, guy douchebag every, Single PERSON like i think it'd, be universal but it's like people, are SCARED which i. Get it if your Friends, with dione you don't want to crush. His kid, and again no one said he did like anything bad off, the field but in terms of, the interview like it's like well, reported now like it's well established what happened and why, he fell because, it's like why are you acting? Like this nobody acts. Like this it's what pushed and turned. Everyone off nobody acts. Like this, If anything guys that aren't As Good jalen milroe had an, awful season yet he was blowing people away with. His Interviews dylan gabriel is tiny RELATIVE to nfl standards for quarterbacks viewed. Very small people love the. Fucking guy why because it's like sit down, with, Him, SAY god i want. THIS guy i want to draft. That guy that's usually what. Quarterbacks do most of these quarterbacks in this, CLASS are i, would say like super. Impressive Guys The, Riley Leonards, Will Howards Dylan Gabriel's. JALEN milrose i haven't heard one negative thing on any. Of them that is the. Other problem he went in with his attitude clearly in, these rooms which AGAIN when i, say that no one, does. THAT nobody i don't know why you pulled down your pants and fart, on SOMEONE but i was just trying to think of. Something Outrageous uh, LONGHORNS fan i got consistent pushback for believing yours. WAS overrated i saw a player that never seemed to perform well into the, biggest moments ran in two instead of out, of trouble and was a product of. The scheme my, question is as a, former scout what did you see on tape in your opinion that down to the. SEVENTH round i was never a, big fan and obviously because you guys played so many big games over the last couple, of years we watched a lot of, you clearly if everything's perfect and he just drops back and throws a deep ball or throws the ball where the, guy's open the ball looks pretty coming out of, his hand and, in college depending on who, you're playing he can be put in. Those situations, you're like that was just a. Beautiful play but the better teams, you play football becomes that there's an. Instinct development you gotta have a feel for. The game AND when i Watched quinn ewers, PLAY football i saw a guy that, was robotic that didn't have a feel for, the game and those type players. AT quarterback i am one hundred percent always OUT on i don't care how tall, YOU are i don't care how big your ARM is i just saw a very robotic and a guy that just lacked natural instincts to play, the position because to be good at football at, any points but especially quarterback is like people Loved cam. WARD'S instincts i Would say shador has pretty natural, quarterback, Instincts right that's why he's you would consider him. A PLAYMAKER when I Watch, QUINN yours i just saw like kind. Of, blah honestly Him And carson beck are. Very similar you just wash, AND like i don't see it now they can have stretches in. A game i Would Say carson beck had stretches throughout his career that looked Better Than. QUINN yours i never understood People Projecting quinn yours, really HIGH but i will, say this he has a much better Arm Than. Arch, manning Now maybe arch, is young maybe his arm can, get better but the THE arm i saw last Year From arch manning in when he played is pretty average RELATIVE to. Nfl Standards, speaking arch Why is arch getting all? This HYPE but i See nuss meyer getting left off early. Draft boards only four k yard passer COMING Back nfl star, style thrower and we'll have plenty of experience guy is a winner who carried his team WITH the lsu janitor for running backs after all. The injuries he needs to. Rename himself, shador listen hype is real and media hype, is real and when you are it's. One thing if You're Like, steph curry his dad WAS an, nba player but his Dad Was, del Curry not doctor J Or. Michael, jordan Right If steph curry Had Been michael jordan's Son or doctor, j son the hype on him coming out would have been a. Lot crazier he wouldn't have been Denied At virginia tech coming out of high school and had to Go to davidson just based on. Name alone and his dad WAS an. Nba player so if your DAD'S an, nfl player which countless guys WHO are nfl sons that get drafted every, Single year but when, you are He's not Peyton or. Eli's son but when you Are a manning and your last Name Is, football royalty it feels a. LITTLE different i would say the same Thing For. Shador sanders his dad isn't just one of the greatest players in the history of, the league he's one of the greatest athletes in the History, of america and he's definitely one of the biggest personalities to ever play. Pro sports so it just. Creates Something and i'll, Say this chador played well Well if arch is going to play in a much more difficult Conference than. Shador did but, Who knows like, You said Garrett neust meyer's dad also played IN the nfl coaches now IN. The nfl but if It Was garrett brady and he Was Like tom, brady's nephew or It Was, garrett farv we'd probably hype him up a lot more fair not that's just part of. The deal it. Really IS if I Wasn't, john MIDDLEKOFF but I was John h LET'S say I Was, John francessa it's Like That's mike francesa's kid worked IN the nfl and now he does a Podcast. FOR coward I bet i would get discussed a little bit DIFFERENTLY than. I do just it comes with. The Territory john francis is actually a pretty. Solid name my twin BROTHER and i watch you whenever a new, episode drops. APPRECIATE it i want to know what you think About the saints draft and what we're gonna do. Next season is drafting a quarterback still In. THE cards i text some people, because again sometimes when you have a, Bad exposure i'm not in the WEEDS like i used, to be so a lot of my exposure comes on my couch in, the saturdays the, biggest games and, you know banks TO me, I had i would say a lukewarm kind of first big exposure to him In the. Georgia GAME and i have countless friends who like that pick. A LOT so, i, said listen that know what they're doing and are on winning teams and have won a lot in. The league so it's like people like. That pick no issue with. That PICK and i am never anti taking offensive lineman. Really high it's always going to be the right move because when you hit, on it no one ever complains about having awesome tackles on. YOUR team i just can't get behind the. QUARTERBACK selection i think. It's. Insane now derek is leading some sermon the other day talking about his shoulder bitching and moan about the media when it's like didn't your agent, lead? This, bro like what are we even. Talking about i'm still a little confused by This Whole derek carr. Shoulder saga he's doing podcasts with, his brother like is your shoulder? Fucked up is this all a ruse because you're mad at? The team didn't they pay you a ton of money to not? Play? THAT well I just, i'm done kind of following The car, saints saga just like is he on the team? Or NOT but i would say the more and more that you, create problem they're Just More. Tyler shuck he's probably start a quarterback and basically gets this year to prove he's a starting quarterback or not fair, or not and then depending on how, it goes you're in the quarterback mix, next year or you just keep Rolling. WITH shuck i do think it's crazy to draft a player that is Older Than brock purty and who went to Prom With, Brock purty like. It's crazy it. Really is like there are. Some things it's like that visual of him standing in his tucks Next to, Brock party, it's, like wait they're the. Same age, it's, like, No yeah brock's. Actually Younger hasn't brock been IN the nfl for three years? A starter it's like, oh yeah and he was a four year. College starter, it's, like yeah that guy was the backup For, justin herbert it's like you start doing, The math, you're like this. Is insane it's kind of Like the. Belichick video, it's, like listen it can't be as crazy as everyone's making it out. To be and then you, watch it, you're, like uh. This insane did she really just chime in? Like that and he? Went QUIET did i really just see what everyone? Else saw this? Is. Crazy listen we all do different things. FOR love i never try to judge a person when it comes to their, significant other but that interaction OF and i Don't blame bill for dating someone, twenty five it's easy for every, old person like someone should be dating your, Own, age, like yeah You think bill's gonna be laying naked with a seventy three, year old you're fucking out of. Your mind but when you, see that, It's, like jesus this is this. Is crazy she is running the. Ship, here now who knows what's going on when the, you know doors closed and lights. Her off bill's probably having time of, his life and good, For him good, For him but that is something that's gonna be hard. To UNSEE that cbs viral clip of her chiming in that. WAS crazy i think THAT was i can't see that in. My mind given out, the MEDIA. Stephen a shannon mel kiper, lesser extent some other people are trying To spin shador's fall all about race and about some vandetta the league Has. Against dion do You think shador will come away with the right accurate lesson from. THIS experience i Really like shador as a quarterback prospect and as. A person the bravado doesn't. BOTHER me i want him, To succeed but my concern is that he and his camp will not take the proper lesson away from this and instead blame others instead of doing the proper amount of. Self reflection people are saying maybe a little bit of humbling was good, for Him but i'm not convinced he. Was. Humble lol the night he, was drafted he was At The dallas club partying and holding a suitcase. Of MONEY if i were HIM and i just lost a million by sliding to, Round five i'd be at home figure out what happened AND how i was gonna take the preseason. By storm well to, be humbled, YOU know i think we throw. That around especially the older people love younger people when they, get humbled like ultimately to humble. Human being if most of us lose a bunch, of money LIKE if i don't have a, podcast TOMORROW like i don't do, ANYTHING else i don't have some, TRUST fund i don't have, Any money i'd be. In trouble i'd have to figure. Something out like this guy comes from a lot. OF money, i mean we just saw the contract. D unsigned obviously they are a very close, knit Family and shador has just made a lot of money the last couple. Of years so money to this guy is not. An issue he does not go to bed at night like a lot of people in the draft and worry about his. FINANCIAL future i think that's fair to, guess that especially based on the. Club after but in terms of, BEING humbled i got. No clue it's impossible to psychoanalyze because if you just watch like his reaction when he jumped into, the pool he'd, BE like i actually thought he handled it. Pretty well he just got drafted in the, fifth round and he was still excited to. Be drafted he thought it was a. Cool moment he didn't now you could also have said if, he pouted you would have thought like he would have been. Pissed off that's. Cool too you could nitpick anything, he does and he is by far the most nitpicked PLAYER that i can remember in, recent memory especially when you factor and he's a fifth. Round guy i'm Fascinated what dion's ultimately. Gonna SAY if i was, GONNA guess i would say that he will not like there's not gonna be a lot of. LIKE accountability i would retract my statements or retract the WAY if I advise chador to. Handle that there was a video that went Viral that shiloh was Screaming, at dion you screwed? This up and, who knows maybe he Told should georda act. LIKE this i. Don't know i'm kind of fascinated To hear dion if, he's like, you know not, screwed around like being serious, about it what his thoughts on, this ARE because i, don't know like being humbled at the end of, the, day humbled, not humbled like you gotta go and you got to COMPETE against nfl guys and once, camp starts they can't hit you because you have a red. Jersey on but while people like root, FOR others nfl training camp is kind of like A. DOGGY dog, i mean it's kind of a fucking. Crazy place there are ninety guys that, show up, you know depending on. Your team there are thirty forty guys, on scholarship and there are a lot of people competing for starting spots and. BACKUP jobs, i mean it's kind, of like, you know only the, strong Survive and dylan Gabriel And kenny pickett and these guys are desperately trying to make. The roster so it's gonna. Be fascinating all the talk about it is kind, Of irrelevant like you're either gonna pick up. The offense you're either gonna. Make plays you're either gonna the coaches are gonna trust you and they're gonna get, behind you or. They're not and you have the opportunity to earn the right to be on, the team and whether that's the third string guy or. THE backup i think it's probably borderline impossible without injuries to be the starter, week one but there is one hundred percent possibility for Him and dalan gabrielle competing and it'll probably start at the third and then they'll probably transition those guys kind of working toward the. Number two. You, play well it's the best part about football is all the bs that's, talked about, you know attitude and race and whatever on. These shows the last couple, of nights none of that matters when the pads come on and it's one hundred degrees Outside and stefanski calls the play Into A jim schwartz thir defensive coordinator and on the other they're running the defense like you're either going to complete, the passes make, the plays make the, right checks or. You're not none of the shit that was said from countless people last couple of days. Mean anything nothing even his dad can say. Means ANYTHING but, i think like, you know, it's crazy is we've had a lot of former, players KIDS and i was around him, a lot like early on in my radio Career Around stephan clay, WHOSE dads, I mean clay's dad was kind of a LEGEND for i, don't know The eighties lakers like played kind of a prominent ROLE is i think he's on their Radio Team michael Thompson and steph's dad was A longtime, nba player and these guys just acted. Like that there was a it was crazy early on before they really blew up to what. They've become they were just really normal and he easy to get along with and everyone. Liked HIM and i do feel like most of these guys that grew up rich and dad's played. Professional sports Look At, patrick mahomes they actually feel like the easiest going guys early on because they're most comfortable in. This environment they're like the. Most secure and there's this weird part about, shador of like is he just copying? HIS dad i would imagine if you could get a LOT. Of U and I mean i like. MOST kids I mean i love the forty Nine ers and when They Signed, dean sanders they Won A super bowl in nineteen. Ninety Four dean sanders was one of the coolest players by far of. My childhood Everyone Liked deon sanders. And talk he never, shut up but he was fucking like the most dominant player in. The league we started dancing at like the thirty. Yard line no, one cared you, know why because he was going the other way with the ball in, his hands about to score a touchdown because he had just picked off. The quarterback like no one cares about bravado and that type stuff when you back, it up but when you bring a lot, of that and people think that you're not as good as the way you. Carry yourself people kind of think you're. A loser that's part. Of it everyone's like people don't like. The, bravado, well yeah we have never liked big bravado on people that can't back. It Up michael Jordan And tiger Woods And, tom brady they can carry themselves kind of however. They want it's much more Difficult For kirk cousins if you wanted to carry himself, like, That Right King grivey Junior And barry bonds carry themselves a little bit different than the. Utility, infielder now, Who Knows maybe schador is really good IN. The nfl we're gonna. Find OUT but i talked about, this yesterday Like the big. Twelve sucks we gotta acknowledge That the big twelve is not viewed as like big. Time football it's kind of. A joke, i mean just look at all the guys that. Were drafted if he had done what he DID, the sec you couldn't even pretend that he wasn't a first. Round pick if he had played the exact same way and produced the same numbers IN the sec you would have had to take him as a first, round pick no matter whether you liked his attitude. Or not, BUT like i think a lot of people look at her like you weren't PLAYING any. Nfl players conference is, An embarrassment like it's not like You're playing Texas and OKLAHOMA in A and. M anymore they. Long GONE so i think there are a lot of different factors. And VARIABLES but i think we also have to acknowledge that if you act really, really, cocky right it's like a girl that carries herself, like she's, you know the hottest thing in. The room if you look at her and she's like she's, a five everyone's kind of making fun. Of HER and i think a LOT of nfl people viewed. THIS guy, I honestly i didn't even ask that much. About him my one Big regret, i've had, YOU know i would say the last couple of days is not spending. MORE time i just assumed he was. Gonna be people just weren't even talking. About him that's what's crazy is we're spending so much time talking about him. RIGHT now i actually don't think teams wasted that much time on him over the last couple of months once they interacted. With him once, they're, like yeah we're not. THAT interested i think we myself everyone talking. About him fans are way more invested than the, league was and that's all. That Matters and i've said, this FOREVER like i really like doing this and. It's cool we got a big audience and be able to make a living, off this and my opinions are just it's this. Is, entertainment like my job's not to pick the. Actual player sometimes people come at, me like, you know you're a know. It All, You no i'm just giving my opinion on, the move but my job is not to actually make. The, Move right so If The travis hunter trade Up for gladstone blows up in his face like he was the, decision maker that his. Job Is that i've been over, the years had gms get mad, at, Me right, it's, like well my job and your job. Are different you just won, five games you did a. Shitty job i'm not acting LIKE like i would be able to dominate at, your job but you definitely can't dominate, my, job right or you. Can try, come, On right so it's like AND everything I say i put my, name on you don't necessarily, do THAT and i think sometimes these worlds kind. Of collide their job is just to get. It right that's the only thing they're consumed with is getting it right and getting. Good players that's all they, care About right the ONLY thing i Care about my job is to try to make. Entertaining content if you're listening to this in your, sales guy the only thing you probably care about is like hitting your quota of. That year the only thing these gms get the best players possible and the right fits in your organization Is cam ward the least talked about number one pick in the history of. THE draft i feel kind of badly, for him as he deserves some attention and credit for all the work he. Put, in also what are the realistic expectations For? The titans could they make a run at? THE division i think six or? Seven Wins But will levis also gave away games last year that they probably could. Have, WON yeah, I mean i think if, HE'S good i don't see why, they couldn't, you know compete to win seven. Or eight their defense was really good, last year at least until like halfway through. The season he just ran out, Of juice like HOW am i gonna play Defense With will levis, at quarterback but, you know if offensively he's just a, solid player they could be way more competitive than they were, last year and they were competitive Early On will levis was just. A Joke so i'd be pretty bullish On. The TITANS and i don't even think. IT'S close i don't think we'll ever see again a number one overall quarterback feel, more relevant and THIS is i WASN'T watching espn on it would Have been, thursday NIGHT but i guess Did mel kiper just go into a rant immediately About Shud? Or Sanders so i've Seen cam ward, interview bunch we Had dickerd on as former Coach At. Washington state seems like a really. GOOD guy i know people With the titans they really. Like him SO if i Was a, Titans fan i'd be. Pretty excited there's nothing more fun than getting a high, picket quarterback knowing he's, gonna start and also knowing he's got, like debility like a. Big arm let's see what we. Got now i'd be EXCITED if i Was a. Titan fan playoffs seems a, little bold but definitely A competitive i think seven to eight wins. Is realistic i'm The biggest herbert, fanuel meet but. No excuses this year we got to win a playoff game. OR two i can't wait to see what year two looks Like. With harball. TOTALLY agree i. TOTALLY agree i THINK it's i think the expectation would be feeling pretty good about by the time the, playoffs start like we can MAKE The afc. Championship GAME and i think it's fair going into, the season like can we win? This division have we shrunk? The gap can we Beat the chiefs in a regular? Season game can we win this division and get a home? Playoff game but luckily the way they play is always going to translate on, the road but winning. Playoff games the last three draft locations Have Been, Green, bay detroit in case next year's draft will Be. In pittsburgh the Last Two super bowl locations Have Been new Orleans. And vegas the next Three are San Fran, los Angeles. And atlanta is it a deliberate strategy To Give super bowls to supposedly cool cities and give the draft to, blue collar working? Class cities would love to hear, Your, thoughts well you can't Have The super Bowl In green Bay Or, kansas, CITY right i mean technically, you could but you're not going to Play The super bowl in a game potentially negative one degree or ten degrees or snowing. Or sleep they don't want to. Do that so part of the reason when you look at Where The super bowl Is, Play, Arizona, Vegas Miami, New, orleans atlanta either in domes or warmer weather, Climate Climates, Los Angeles. San francisco they want the sun out if the game's. Outside FOREVER when i was, a kid they used to Play At Arizona. State stadium they used to Play At, stamford stadium like they want it in a. Nice climate if it's going to. Be outdoors you just can't have The super Bowl in pittsburgh in the first Week. Of february you can't, do it and they're not going to do it because the other thing is. The, football wise technically you, could it probably no one wants to watch that type game if it's, freezing cold no one. Can catch but it's also about, the week and that week is really about the corporate clients THAT the, nfl has the people they're in, business with all the. Different companies it's like the. League's convention, we all depending on what, we do go to, different conventions right. Or meetings that's essentially, the leagues so for their business partners where the combine is like for the teams and. The players The super bowl is really about the business OF, the nfl and people are more INCLINED to i would just say go to the places where they have it because it's. Nice WEATHER and i think that they really just give the draft two places that are never going to Get, super BOWLS so i think that's why they're. DOING it i don't think it's necessarily about blue. COLLAR cities, i Mean If green bay was beautiful in, THE spring i think they WOULD have i also Don't think i've never, Been there but do they have the infrastructure for hotels and stuff? FOR fans i think that plays, a part but it's ninety five percent. The weather, Last question As a, TITANS fan i probably am a, little BIASED but i just find it crazy how Little coverage cam. IS getting i Totally get shador Is a sanders and him slipping in the draft is going to dominate, The coverage BUT then i see more Coverage On jalen Milroe And dylan gabriel and try to understand why it FEELS like cam is the least. Talked, about well the Reason That jalen Milroe And dylan gabriel when they, get drafted gets so much more DISCUSSION than cam is because they're directly connected Now to shador because they are part of the story of guys drafted. Above him so if they are independent and have nothing to Do, with shador we wouldn't spend any time on, them, either, which Again like i'm not proud, of this but this is one of the biggest stories in the history of. The draft it really is because sometimes like you think About t bow that went in, the twenties you Think about roger that went in, the twenties you think About When jordan love was taken To the Packers With aaron rodgers was a. Huge story there's usually not an individual like this that goes round after round after round that has the fame of. This individual it's led by, his DAD who's i, Would Say deon sanders is just on the short list of famous players in the history of, the sport and he's added to. That right he was a big media star once his. Career ended he then became a. College coach he coached. His son you just it's like a. Movie script how all the different, angles here all the Different guys dion knows and has, played with he had been started to, GET rumored i, would say over the last YEAR to sec schools than EVEN the nfl, his son fair. Or not through, the media hype was discussed With cam ward throughout the season as the, best quarterbacks and then once the, PROCESS started I CLEARLY cam I MEAN i i don't Think the titans deliberated much on this decision for the last couple, of months, but yeah it sucks now part. Of it, You know jags fans sometimes fire INTO my dms and get mad, at Me say i'm too dismissive of. The organization there's something about the division that, it's like, you guys from a rating standpoint and importance of the, league standpoint If The dallas cowboys had had the number one pick and Not the titans and they had Drafted, CAM ward i do think it would have been a. Little different but let's, face it the lead up to the draft would have, been like do They Take dean? Sanders kid so cam was just in one of. Those positions, me personally like, my personality especially at a. YOUNG age i would kind of. Enjoy it IT'S like i kind of get to fly under the radar a. Little, bit no everyone's kind of leaving. ME alone i just have to impress THE people i have, To IMPRESS but i don't have to turn on television every day and they're talking about HOW am i going to be? Abuzz A am i gonna be like these Other former titans quarterbacks that were, drafted High like Mariota And vince Young And jake locker. That FAILED so i actually think he's in a pretty good spot in terms of, the pressure the outside, pressure clearly the, media pressure and just the. Overall pressure like think about going into training camp he is he is not gonna be. TALKED about i mean it's not even gonna. Be close chador is gonna be the most talked about rookie quarterback in. Training camp every pass he throws, in practice we'll go Viral on Twitter. AND instagram i would say, anytime, that, Like Hey, jalen milroe he's getting some reps with. The twos it's like they're gonna have Packages For. Jalen milroe he'll get talked about. A lot so in a, weird Way cam ward is the number one, overall pick gets the DISTINCTION of i was the first pick IN the. Nfl, DRAFT two i make the most money of every. Guy Drafted three i'm gonna be the, Immediate, STARTER like i ain't battling anyone for. The job it's mine and no one's talking. About ME so i think he's he's in a pretty. Good spot other, THAN that I think i Said tes Walker, to Colin and colin looked at me kind. Of weird it was the wide Receiver from oregon who's like one hundred and, fifty pounds Who bo nix's. Family adopted they played high school, football together and then who Transferred to oregon a couple of. Years ago It Was Ted Johnson, tz JOHNSON who i liked and who is, a good uh good. Deep threat he's, just Skinny which. I'M jealous I wish i had. His WAISTLINE but i actually kind of liked that pick because in the. Seventh ROUND but i misspoke a couple of days AGO when i was On with colin and said He Was. Tez walker it feels like a movie character. Or something, but audios thanks for, chiming in and we will. Talk soon the volume