This week on the podcast John discussed the latest with the Cleveland Browns and their QB room, the wild interview that Bill Belichick did on CBS, and he wraps up the draft coverage by talking about draft grades. All that and more!
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The volume, What is going on everybody? Hopefully everyone's having a good weekend. We put together a little best of little best of topics for the weekend. Obviously, the Cleveland Browns made headlines multiple times with a massive trade with the Jags, but then they ended up with Shador Sanders, So what are they doing? We will dive into that. You know, Draft grades are funny because no one knows anything, but we did do a dive on some of the teams and the picks that we liked and are high on. And what is going on with Belichick? I mean the situation, this story has taken on a life of its own with his young lady friend who went viral this last weekend. So this situation I'd give some thoughts on. But let's talk a little football. Okay, There's a lot going on, and I didn't do anything on Saturday. Partly I just needed a breather. You know, mel Kiper was was fuman. I'm pro mel Kiper, but I do think he was clearly I don't know why he was so angry. And you know, Lewis Riddick and Rhys Davis and they were going back and forth and it was like, God, you got to be exhausted. I was exhausted from the story. I needed to take twenty four hours off, so me and Colin touched on it. I've had some time to think about it, and I'm going to rehash the theory that I just told Coward. So if you already heard it, sorry, and if you haven't, this is my theory because I don't think it's that complicated, because it doesn't make much sense to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft, especially in the third in the fifth round. That's that's unheard of. You know, you go back to RG three and Cousins. It was because Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan did not want RG three. Kyle Shanahan was trying to convince them to trade back and take Cousins early. He's talked about this. This was a situation where I think I just read something that the Cleveland Browns had flown out and it never got out. And met with Jimmy Haslam, with the coach with the GM with Dylan Gabriel. They liked him a lot. Now I don't even necessarily agree with their assessment. I think drafting Dylan Gabriel in the third round is a little rich for my taste. Right, It's like paying a million dollars for seven hundred thousand dollars home now value in the eye of the beholder on draft day, we can argue that till we're blue in the face. I don't think he was going in the third round. I actually feel pretty confident now. You could always make the argument, how do you know I've been doing this long enough? Pretty good idea. There was a reason the will Howards, the Riley Leonards, the Quinn You weers like you didn't need to take those guys in the third or fourth round. You knew they were gonna be there in the sixth or seventh. I do think Dylan Gabriel at the latest. I mean, I think he could have got him in the fifth. But whatever. My thought is this, as Shador standers, starts to drop. When you work with someone long enough, it's like when you're growing up and you live with your mom, your dad, your brothers. You really know them well, right, you know what sets them off. You know what buttons to push to piss them off. You know when it's like, okay, I better, I got to be Especially if you have an older brother or an older sister like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna avoid this issue. I know my dad really values this, even though my mom doesn't care. And so you just kind of work the room a little bit, right. Definitely, if you've been in a company and you've worked with someone, you've worked for someone, you get a pretty good feel for their demands, what they're into, what if they are an overbearing boss, what they will force you to do, and you kind of know how to play them a little bit. I don't mean like nefariously, but just like to settle everything down. Once Shador Sanders starts dropping, Andrew Berry and Stefanski aren't them. They know that Jimmy HASLM is gonna be interested. Why because Jimmy Haslam has forced several quarterbacks on them that they did not want, and they clearly in this draft wanted Dylan Gabriel. So once he starts plummeting, they go maybe texting to each other, maybe talk in their office, close the door, like maybe we should draft this guy a little bit higher than ideally we want to. So we just get a quarterback in our draft class, and then Shador will go some picks later and we don't have to force this upon us because Shador sanders when I think Kevin Stefanski, I don't think an idea will fit. I actually think Shador's playing style is a lot like Deshaun Watson. Now, I think Deshaun was a better college player and a better prospect than Shadoor, but I think there are some similarities well in Kevin Stefanski's offense. And this is the Kyle Shanahan thing. They don't really into freelancing, right that they're in to do exactly what I tell you. We can argue to we're blow in the face. That's how they want to play. It's why they like guys like Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy and Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel. He will get rid of the ball quick and go exactly where you want to go with him. Now, can't he see that guy's kind of short. We'll find out, but I think they did that hopefully, like Okay, this will shut the owner up. The problem is is that Shador kept dropping, so it's like, wait, didn't know one picked him in the fourth and then he's still there in the fifth. Now it gets to a spot where the owner tells you we're taking them. And when you watch the reaction of those guys in the draft room, and I know they push back against this bullshit that you could see in Stefanski's eyes he wanted no part of that. Andrew Berry did not want to make that pick. And then when they discussed it in the press conference, it was clear like this was not their doing. And we have a long enough history to now know this owner forces them to do things they don't want to do. I think Andrew Berry and I think Kevin Stefanski are good at their job. Now I don't have to agree with their quarterback evaluation because I think Schador Sanders is a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They clearly did not and it makes no sense to take a guy in the third and then another in the fifth. Because Michael Lombardi used to talk about this for a long time, The NFL practices are math equations. You don't get an unlimited amount of plays. This isn't basketball where it's like, well just run it again. Eventually, you can only run so many plays with your players, especially now because of the rules. So in a practice and I'm just gonna pick some uh, even numbers to make things even. Let's say during a team period, we will have thirty reps of ones verse ones, twos verse twos, threes verse threes. Well we're not. We don't spread those equally, right. I give more reps to my better players, especially once the pads come on in training camp. So when I got pads on my ones, and I've been to a lot of practices, and every coach does it a little bit differently. Get seventy percent of the reps. Then the twos come in and get the next twenty percent of the reps, and then the threes get let's say ten to five percent of the reps. Now, it might change on a given day, but it is disproportionately weighted to starters, backups, and threes. And the thing is like at tight end, if I'm George Kittle, I'm like, hey, coach, I need a blow. I'm exhausted. It's like, hey take this. Take the next ten plays off. So the ones, the twos, in the threes, he just sits on the sideline and the other tight ends rotate with the ones, rotate with the twos, rotates with the threes. I can do that at wide receiver, I can do that at running back. I can do that at all the other skill positions, right, I cannot do that at quarterback. Quarterbacks aren't coming in and out. They stay with the unit. Now with the threes, you can rotate the threes, or you can rotate a guy with the twos, I guess, but like if you are the two quarterback, you get those reps. It's why you see when there's a competition for the backup job, they usually rotate them through training camp, but over the time, like one guy ends up getting more reps what you would have given going into training camp. Obviously, Joe Flacco is gonna get the ones and just based on his experience, and I don't think this guy's any good. He's gonna start with the twos. That's gonna be Kenny Pickett. So you're gonna have two guys rotating with the threes. You're just not gonna get that many plays. So it doesn't make any sense. I've seen a lot of people try to justify It's like just keep throwing darts at the dartboard. And I agree with most positions. It is just very difficult to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft and get a feel for either one throughout practices, so you can't convince me, and other people have written about this in The Athletic that this wasn't the owner. And anytime the owner, I'm all for the owner having opinions. It's his team, but when he's forcing you to take players, and this feels like it's like this is out of Shador's control. But I just think it's a weird spot. And the other thing, and I mentioned this to Colin, is coaches in front office people sometimes disagree, right, I like a player that you don't like, or vice versa, and sometimes we just agree to disagree and we take the player. And if the coach doesn't like the player that the front office drafted, he can manipulate how many reps that guy gets at practice, how much energy and effort I put into them, right, especially when you're talking mid to late round picks. And if the coaching staff, if the head coach, especially if the front office as well, is not on board, they will not care because part of and this is the cool part about like being Jalen Milroe. Listen, I thought he's a pretty big wildcard, pretty risky pick. But here's what I know, John Schneider and Mike McDonald all in on him. Think about Mike was around Lamar for years. Think about what made John Schneider a legend. He pounded the table for Russell Wilson. So those guys believe in mobile quarterbacks. You know, Russell was a better thrower than Lamar right away, just in terms of accuracy. Lamar obviously became a much better player over the course the last four or five years. But when people support you, and this is no different than any industry, when you work at a place where the guy that hired you or the guy that runs the company believes in you, want you there, it's much easier to succeed as a player, just like as any normal employee. You can start sensing, like, do these guys even want me here? How often have we heard over the years, older veteran guys, just players throughout the history of the league, to be like, yeah, I was out of place. The coach in the gym didn't like me, but they just didn't want me there, and I knew it was destined to fail. Early on. Happens all the time, will continue to happen. It's happened historically in the in the league, so I think this is a very clunky, weird, bizarre spot. And while in theory I get like, I'll just throw darts at a dartboard accumulate as many players as you can. Well, yeah, it's easy to rotate slot corners in and out. It's easy like, oh, this slot receiver gets these reps. It's not really how quarterback works. You kind of gotta get a cohesion with the unit you're repping with. So it's just very bizarre situation there.
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Okay, let's start with William Belichick because listen, I from just I think a lot of people are judging this guy, and it's it's a human reaction. When you see a guy in his mid seventies who's really rich dating a girl in their mid twenties, A lot of people are gonna have opinions, a lot of people are going to be judgmental, and most importantly, a lot of people are going to make fun of you. Now, if you think that Bill Belichick is the only coach in the NFL and definitely college football who is older than fifty five sixty that has a young girlfriend, you would probably have to live under a rock. Now. Just because these things aren't publicly, they are definitely going on. And some of these men, I promise you have wives and kids at home, So like Bill Belichick is not some lone wolf here. He's definitely not the first old rich guy to date some young girl. And in his business, which is very public, whether you're an NFL coach, whether you're a college coach, all these people have PR directors. And I've interviewed coaches, gms, some players back when I was doing stuff with the Niners and Raiders over the years, and typically when you're doing one of these interviews, the PR director is sitting or stay right there, And honestly, it's never been weird. I've never been told by one of these guys. And I have relationships with a lot of these individuals with different teams, worked with many when I was with the with the Eagles, met many through the Niners and the Raiders. Most of them are pretty cool and I'm pretty chill. It's it's not that serious. Now. If there's something controversial or something they know is unfair, maybe they will chime in, But for the most part, like you just become, you just build a normal relationship with the individual. Now, typically the coach or the player is not sleeping with that human being. But I would imagine in Hollywood, in some of these other industries where there is a female PR director, and I've never experienced that in the NFL, though some of the people under the top dog in the NFL have been women, and who knows, maybe these people have slept around, but that is a is a different dynamic. So when you see Bill doing this interview and she's chiming in from the side, if that was John Middelkoff at forty years old, I don't think it would be that weird. I honestly don't think it would be that big of a story. It would just be the PR guy doing his job. We're not here to talk about that. That happens in these circumstances all the time. How often are you watching a press conference for your team right during the season when your team loses a game and you turn on whoever your coach is and he's given the press conference and you're watching on YouTube, you're watching it on Twitter, and you hear two more questions. Guys, that's the PR person, like they have a job to do. I think the reason we judge this completely different is because we know Bill's banging, and that is a situation in itself I found kind of funny. Now, the interview was extremely awkward and very weird. News flash, Belichick gives some weird interviews. He has a long history of doing that. I do think as this week is played out, like I got to the point where, like I can't keep clicking on these back and forth between CBS between her, you know, publicly putting out emails. Here's what I know. This is not Ole miss this is not Arizona State. This is North Carolina, a pretty serious academic institution. And Belichick has had a unique reign in football in a world where these teams are worth billions of dollars. Typically they have had many powerful people in the building. Usually the GM has a lot of sway what he says matters. Typically in a lot of these places, the president has a lot of juice. Belichick was basically the king of the operation despite him not owning the team. Obviously the Crafts did. The Crafts didn't tell Bill what to do how he kicked Tom Brady to the curb. So Bill is used to this world where he is actually much closer to one of these legendary college coaches like coach k like you know Bobby Knight's downfall, like Roy Williams was in North Carolina or some of these football coaches, Bobby Bowden, Nick Saban, you name it, where they could do whatever they wanted, no one told them what to do. Here's the problem. Bill doesn't have this equity with this institution. So these institutions are run by presidents, right, and they typically are on the academic side. It's why when you have these situations, it falls on the athletic director, but they're not even technically the boss. If the presidents or depending on how these academic institutions are set up, the border regions, whoever, it's almost like a private company where it's like your answer to the CEO and mainly the board of directors. That's how college football operates. And Belichick like this has got to be what is going on right now? What did we get ourselves into? And I am pro Bill Belichick anyone my age, definitely if you're older than me. I'd even say if you're in your mid to early thirties and you witnessed the entire Belichick run, there is no way that you could argue he's one of the greatest tacticians you've ever seen. He was a fucking genius what his teams consistently did since till from one to like eighteen nineteen was remarkable. Now we can argue till we're blue in the face about the credit between him and Tom Brady. You could not have watched Bill Belichick in these big games and think that he didn't have a massive advantage over the other coach. And that's from Pete Carroll to Andy Reid. I'm talking Hall of famers, je Sean McVay. He was getting the best of them constantly. Mike Tomlin never had a shot against William Belichick. But this situation now, pr in college matters in the NFL, ultimately a doesn't because if you win, everyone shuts up. Now that's true in college as well. But you're recruiting, even in this world of nil and revenue sharing, like you are the front facing individual of your sport and of your university. The way Kirby Smart and Nick Saban and Ryan Day and even Jim Harbaugh Michigan acts conducts themselves, the headlines they make matter. This would be embarrassing if it was the NFL. I do think in college this is almost worse. And I started thinking, like, you know, everyone considers Al Davis one of, if not the greatest football minds in the history of the NFL. His last six seven years got a really weird and it's sad for younger people that's how they remember. This current iteration of Jerry Jones has just gotten bizarre. I think he'd be widely considered one of the greatest and more impactful business minds of one of the great American businesses we've ever seen, the National Football Lee. When you get old and you get rich, and it's hard for anyone around you to check you whether that's like Jerry, we probably shouldn't do this many interviews, al like, this is probably not a great idea. Bill, you probably shouldn't make the twenty five year old you're banging your pr assistant manager probably not the best idea. Let's let's separate some things here. But who's gonna tell him that? I mean, his son works for him, clearly doesn't have the juice to tell him that. Michael Lombardi also works for him, Clearly doesn't have the juice to tell him that. And even if they did, he's not listening, because he's shown over the last couple decades he ain't really listening to anybody. And for the most part, it's worked out in his favor. I do think once you go to college, though, this has got a chance. He's not a Texas I saw today headline they're gonna have a forty million dollar payroll this fall. Sark, who's become a really good coach. I'll give him his flowers. Has a budget that I not many teams are going to be even close to. I would say, and imagine the only teams that could even sniff his budget would be Ohio State in Oregon. That's not Belichick in North Carolina. Their talent even in a conference which is not nearly as good as the top two conferences the SEC in the Big Ten, he's going to be at a disadvantage. Plus one huge advantage he had in the NFL, just like Andy Reid has now is he every single guy in the league he has seen or has exposure to coming out in the draft, and every single coach he's going against, many he's gone against for years or decades. But he's seen every scheme. There's nothing you can throw at him on a weekly basis that he hasn't seen player wise or scheme wise. Well, college football is doo to Bill. He hasn't coached against a lot of these guys, a lot of guys that he's going to see on a weekly basis, have never worked in the NFL. Now, ultimately, you know, James Gladstone might be tried to tell you and Jack's and build it football is this complicated, almost like a technological project. It's not that complicated. And Bill a couple of years ago when he did the Top one hundred players with Brady in the NFL Network, I think did a great job of articulating, like art war my strengths against your weaknesses, my weaknesses avoid your strengths. Like we're not trying to overthink this. We're not building bridges here, We're not building high rises, We're not doing this isn't a hard transplant, This isn't that comp We're just trying to gain three yards on third and two. And I think Bill his football knowledge speaks for itself all time. Great this situation though, And you know, Coward used to have a thing two things make smart men dumb, money and women. And for a while, you know, Listen builds a single guy, he can do whatever he wants. But this situation with this girl empowering her feels like it's just it's kind of jumped the shark here, and some one, if they can, needs to rein it in because it's got a chance to kind of derail this North Carolina experience before it even starts. Okay, I mean I think the Shador Sanders topic is settled Belichick and his girlfriend. That topic exploded on Sunday and means we're a spring football So let's let's dive into some of your questions. Huge fan of the bag, huge Niner fan, curious to know your thoughts on their draft. Saw a couple draft grades and the team got panned. I personally thought they made some great picks. One silly Shanahan reach with Watkins the ole miss wide receiver, but everything else will value with the defensive line as the main focus. Every year the Niners get ridiculed in the draft, then the actual core talent is the rounds four through seven. How much doc should we even put into these draft grades? Listen? I mean draft grades are the dumbest thing in the history of the Internet in terms of to take them seriously. No one has any clue. The greaters, the teams, the actual players, the fans, no one knows shit. I mean, no one has any clue. Now totally understand why they do draft grades because the written word on the Internet has never been less powerful. Right, The videos and podcasts wiped them out, but that is still something that gets people to click. I'm guilty. I see someone I was like, I'll click. I've clicked on multiple draft grades, not even because I care. I just can't help it. It's like an addiction. I've been doing it for multiple decades. No different than mock drafts. Think how irrelevant mock drafts are. Nobody knew that the Jacks were gonna trade out, nobody, and then all of a sudden they trade up. And the mock drafts are kind of irrelevant because all of a sudden, Travis Hunter is not playing for the Browns and he's on the Jacks. And then it sets off like a domino effect. And it happens every year, but we consume a lot of mock drafts. Kyle Shanahan said his wife called him on draft Day. They just said she looked at a mock draft and they really wanted Mike Hail Williams, the guy that ended up taking and he was like pick twenty eight in the mock draft. She looked at and says Kyle. Maybe she said, honey, maybe she said, babe, are we sure that we're drafting the right guy? Are you overvaluing this player? And even Kyle was like, had to like rethink, but yeah, it's like the mock drafts. The draft grades impact the fun of this whole thing, but they don't matter the forty nine ers. I've been to the majority of Kyle Shanahan training camps, and the one thing I've learned, you get really excited, like any training camp you go to when you have a high pick and we're doing the Raiders forever Khalil Mcamari Cooper. Back to back years, you know, with the forty nine ers they had Solomon Thomas and then Nick Bosa. I think back to back years obviously Trey Lance when they drafted really high. It's exciting to go see the first overall pick, but look at the names that I just gave out. Solomon Thomas never got his fifth year option picked up and is on like this fourth different team. Trey Lance is one of the biggest draft whiffs of all time. Why because Brock Party came in, Wally pipped him and it wasn't even close. Not a soul that was at training camp. Rock Perty's rookie year went Hey, there's Brock party. Do you know that this guy is gonna become the starter? No one said that, of course, not no one ever would say that. And I think you got to be very careful with just drafts. And this is why I don't get that into it beside like the super famous players, because we see it every year. I've been to these practices where all of a sudden it's like, well, the third round guy is getting beat out by an undrafted free agent. The amount of guys that signed undrafted free agent contracts that will make teams for everybody is pretty mind blowing. And the thing with the forty nine ers was clear. I disagree with Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch in terms of their emphasis on offensive line, especially the tackle position, like they are just allergic to taking tackles. I would draft tackles, multiple tackles throughout the draft. I would treat them like other positions, like maybe we'll hit on a guy in the fourth round. I'm not looking for Trent Williams in the fourth round, but can I get a serviceable player? And they just don't do that, you know, now, maybe they were in position and guys went above them. I know in the third round the Raiders took a couple offensive linemen they were probably interested in. But I asked around the NFL because I felt like I like Jalen Walker a little bit more than Michael Williams. I was rebuffed, like middle cooff, I think you're overhyping it. I didn't meet many people that I know that didn't weren't extremely high on their first round pick, six', five two hundred and seventy, pounds just you, know he's a little but like he's got a chance to be a, really really good player in THE. Nfl their second pick is six' five six six three and, thirty pounds the defensive Lineman. From texas THAT'S where i got. SOME eh i think it's a. LITTLE rich a lot of teams put a lot of emphasis in pass rushing from their interier. Defensive lineman this guy's not really a. Pass rusher he's much more of a run stuffer and he's battled defensive injury concerns over the course of. His career but one thing with those first, two picks they got enormous, human beings and their defensive line is. Not existent It's Like nick bosa and then It's That will smith jiff where he walks into the, you know to. The mansion everyone's gone and he's just standing on the rug. Looking around that's what it looks like after they've literally got rid. Of EVERYBODY so i never have a problem taking blue chip players from blue chip programs and it's on you to coach. Them up and their defensive line coach has had a lot. OF success i think in the third round they drafted the kind of run and hit Guy From, oklahoma state which again some of my friends didn't love, the player but, you know you watch. His Highlights howie roseman talked about this over the course of the. Draft weekend this game is so much about space and, speed now and that's what this. Guy IS but i mean put an emphasis on their later. Round picks they have hit on a lot of. Those guys but you know. WHO knows i, Don't KNOW so i have. No issue i'm not pushing back against people going their draft suck like nobody knows they'll. Be fun the key to their draft is gonna be those two defensive linemen gotta be good and obviously ideally hit on some random guys throughout the course of the third through, seventh, Round RIGHT but i think they had two, high picks pick eleven and pick whatever it was forty four or forty three or five or whatever number it was in the. Second round like those guys gotta, Be good like those, were, really really really valuable assets in. This draft the VOLUME
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