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3 & Out - Joe Douglas gets fired, Netflix has issues, Kauff on Campus

Published Nov 20, 2024, 11:01 AM

John reacts to the news of the day that the New York Jets have fired their GM, Joe Douglas. John dives into what this firing means for the Jets moving forward and if getting rid of Douglas was the right move for the organization. Later, John talks about the report from Adam Scheffter saying that he could see many more firing this season. Next, he gives his take on Netflix and the streaming issues it had during the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson fight.

Lastly, John has another installment of Kauff on Campus.

6:25 - Joe Douglas gets fired

24:00 - Possible future head coaching jobs

31:00 - Netflix and it's streaming

41:00 - Kauff on Campus

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The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing? John Middlecoffe Three and Out podcast, Hopefully you're doing well. Hopefully I have a good day, good morning, good afternoon. Better than Joe Douglas, who was fired as the Jets GM on Tuesday. We will dive into that why he was fired, where it all went wrong for the Jets, who now don't have who have an interim coach and an interim GM. Phil Savage, on one of my close buddies in the NFL. I'm fired up for Phil. Keep an eye on Phil. Phil's former GM works for the Ravens forever good hire there would he but in he's very good, close with Joe Douglas. So just just a disastrous situation with the Jets. I also want to dive into some of the coaching changes. Schefter mentioned potentially seven or eight openings this year. We already got a couple. We have three that are inevitable as well, so I got five that are locks, and then it just you know, we got some swing ones. So we will dive into that. I do want to touch on the Netflix, the fight and just all the negativity surrounding it. I don't know why everyone's complaining so much, and then we'll go on campus. Cough on Campus. I'm adding a little intern and his name is Jackson. Met him at the golf course. He played football at Montana, loves college football. He's working in the sports business. It's at the local radio station here in Arizona doing some producing. He's doing his own content. This guy is just a junkie, and I've been thinking for a while I want to add some other voices to the show. So we will bring him on for cough on Campus and he'll ask me some questions things that he's interested in college football, and then we'll kind of riff off that fun show today. Always looking to expand here. Three and Out can never be content, but man, people getting fired left and right. But before we dive in, obviously, make sure you subscribe to Three and Out podcast. If you listen on Collins Feed, make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel. All of our content is up there as well. I think we'll do a big mail bag probably for Thursday. Probably do a big mail bag for Thursday, So at John Middlcoff, fire in those dms and I'll try to answer a bunch of questions tomorrow. Think I'm about to go out and shoot a golf video on Wednesday afternoon, so I'll probably record it in the morning on Wednesday. So if you want to get into that mail bag, fire into those dms U and yeah, but before we dive into football, you know, I got to tell you about our friends, my partners, and the official ticketing app of this podcast. Sometimes, you know, listen what Marshawn once famously said, you got to keep your mentals. You gotta focus on your mentals and listen, we all get caught up in the rat race of life. We're just working. We're working, and then it's family stuff and it's just the same rat race over and over, and our life can get monotonous, and sometimes you got to mix it up. Sometimes you gotta throw a curveball. Sometimes you gotta get out of the house and go do something fun, whether that's a game, college or pro search by the team, or search by the venue. Maybe it's a concert. Go see one of your favorite artists, maybe they're coming to a town or a venue near you, and get a couple of cocktails and sing your little heart out for hours. Nothing like it to just put a smile on your face. Maybe it's a comedy show. I haven't been to one of those in a long long time, but the couple that I went once when I was in college, Dave Chappelle actually came to cal Poly. They sold that. It's crazy looking back that he did because it was in like our little where we had pick up basketball or like innermural basketball. It couldn't have fit more than three or four thousand people, but that was awesome. And that was in the heyday too of the Chappelle Show. He had to be making some good coin on the side traveling. But if you get the opportunity, go enjoy yourself and take your guess where you got to. Buying tickets with game Time. Download the game Time app today, create an account and use the code John for twenty dollars off your first purchase terms of play again, create an account, redeem the code Jagen for twenty dollars off. Download the game Time app today, last minute ticket's lowest prices guaranteed. You know, here's the thing. In the NFL, whether you're Belichick, whether you're Andy Reid, whether you're you know, Bill Parcells or Bill Pollion, ninety nine percent of people get fired. You are hired to be fired. It's an extremely competitive job. In twenty twenty four, guys are getting more money than they ever have. The owners have more capital than they've ever had, and that number only goes up by the year. So the reason they don't just cut players more often is because of the salary cap and the implications of dead money. But that does not exist when you talk about coaches their coaching staff. In the front office, you can hire and fire them at will, and if you are willing to buy another guy two days later and quadruple his salary, it doesn't impact your team at all. And Joe Douglas at the time in twenty and nineteen got a pretty historic GM contract. It was six years and it was well over twenty million dollars. Now he had a lot of leverage, the Jets were desperate, and he got paid a premium and that's all the money he ever got because he didn't get a contract extension. And now he is no longer the general manager. And I don't think this scenario of what happened is that complicated. Now, like anytime you go to work for certain franchises, you know it could be very rocky, and there's a reason that a lot of people and listen, I knew a lot of people that worked for him in philadelph He is very very well thought of in the NFL. People liked the guy and he was getting advice at the time before he accepted the job. Hey, man, use this leverage while you have it and drive up the amount of money they're going to pay you, because this is the type job that you might not make it out, you know, professionally alive, and typically gms get one shot. This is not coaching, where you know, usually guys get a second job. For the most part, guys get their one opportunity. And if you're gonna get your one opportunity, you better take it all the way to the bank. And he did. But Joe Douglas's job performance is going to be defined by one thing and one thing only. He couldn't get the quarterback position right. And I was told when he interviewed Robert Sala and Robert Sala was bringing along the floor with him from the forty nine ers that they were all in on coaching Sam Donald. That the scheme was going to be conducive to helping Sam Donald just to become a solid player and time has proven who liked them, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell. What scheme do they run, you know, versions of each other exactly what Lafleur wanted to do. Now I don't know what changed, but I have been told something changed once they got there, and they ended up getting rid of Sam Donald and drafting Zach Wilson. And if I gave you, let's say a million dollars, and I said, listen, you have to invest all of it, but there's a caveat. You can invest it in whatever you want. You have to split in half, take five hundred thousand dollars and go all in on something. So take half your funds and go all in, and you can invest the other five hundred grand. However, you want one hundred grand here, seventy five grand here round here, diversify your portfolio. Well, if you lose that five hundred grand, that you go all in on the one thing, invest in a building, invest in one stock, invest in whatever, and that goes to zero. Even if you double the other five hundred thousand dollars, you didn't make any progress. And the reality is when you draft a quarterback number two overall and then because that fucks up, you have to trade a first round pick and another second round pick and pay that guy a boatload of money. That is a disproportionate amount of the capital within your organization. Because is Howie Roseman once famously said in a press conference. Every team is allotted the same draft capital. Every team gets to decide how they want to use their first, second, third, four, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks. The reason that all these teams have a different amount of cap space in draft picks is because they divvied up different ways. And when you have the number two overall pick, that's worth a lot. And he drafted Zack Wilson, and it turns out that Zach Wilson a lot like Trey Lance, who Jerry Jones said today, Yep, Cooper Rush gives us the best chance to win. These guys went two to three in the draft. Four years later, they can't even win a backup job. Those are historic bus And then you get the opportunity to trade for a legend. The problem is he happens to be thirty nine to forty years old, and then he rips his achilles, and now he looks dramatically worse than he did. A couple of years ago when he was on the Packers, when he didn't look that great and he was the that was the main reason they wanted to get rid of him. So Joe Douglas took a large portion of his assets and invested it in the quarterback position. Once he traded Sam Darlan into Zach Wilson, and then he had to chase his losses with Aaron Rodgers and they both went belly up. And he has nothing to show for it because, as a wise man in the NFL told me, probably within the last couple of years, he said, listen, John, let's just say we have eight or nine draft picks slash moves, and Joe hits ninety five percent of them. Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, this kid from Penn State to tackle Breisee Hall. You know, investing giving Quinn Williams a big contract. DJ Reed, like all the players on our team that just trading for DeVante, Like, our team just looks really good on paper. If all of them hit and the quarterback whiffs were fucked. Yet if it's the opposite, if we hit on the quarterback and he whiffs on a bunch of those, we will get contract extensions. It's like, listen, if I go back to the analogy of the million dollars, if that diversified five hundred thousand dollars doesn't really do much, you don't make any money on it. But the one that you go all in on is Navidia and you one hundred extra money. Who gives a shit about that other five hundred grand. That's the power of a quarterback because when you nail it, it changes your franchise. The forty nine ers did the same thing. They Whift and then they struck oil with Rock Party because if Rock Party didn't exist and they were doing the same things that the Jets are doing, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan would be in trouble. Why Because you can't win with no quarterback play. It is literally impossible. You need functional quarterback play just to compete, and to compete at the highest levels, you need good quarterback play. Obviously, there are other variables. You could make the argument like the Bengals are getting outstanding quarterback play and they're losing games. Now, they're losing a lot of one score games. But you know what I mean. But Joe Douglas's job thirty and sixty four is truly defined by bad quarterback play. And you could also make the argument and listen, he's become a sympathetic figure because once they fired him, the team got worse. If your job security is most dependent on either who you draft or the quarterback you sign in free agency, I would say, right there, hand in hand is the coach you hire. And you hired a defensive head coach that was a little over his head when it came to offensive stuff, and it wasn't going well on offense. And in a league that is predicated on the quarterback and offense, it can be a struggle. And clearly Aaron Rodgers didn't like Robert Sala and that's a huge reason I think he got fired. I don't know why he would have anything against Joe Douglas, given that Joe Douglas capitulated everything he wanted, But like Aaron Rodgers, is ultimately Joe Douglas's problem, and Aaron Rodgers' failures and him looking like he's ninety five years old is the reason that Joe Douglas today was told like you're done, and listen, Joe Douglas was done the same day Robert Sala was done. It was over. His contract was up at the end of the year. He wasn't getting renewed. And it all comes back to the quarterback And listen, do you know what it turns out if you could ask him, if you could have one move over, what would it be. It wouldn't be not trading for Rogers. It would be just keep Sam Darnold another year. Take a deep breath because looking back, Trevor Lawrence goes one, Zach Wilson third string, Trey Lance third string, Mac Jones should be a third stringer, and Justin Fields got bench for a guy who you know, I'd say on a good day is like fourteenth the best quarterback in the NFL, somewhere between like fourteen and twenty. So it was a really bad quarterback class. And that started the drip drip process of what led them to where they're at today. Because it's pretty clear, like Joe Douglass has a pretty good idea for talent. There's no disputing that, Like he's a good GM in terms of non quarterback position, but he went all in on Zach Wilson, and I saw Coward talking about it today and he's not wrong. That year in twenty twenty was it turned out to be the twenty one draft. But the twenty football season in college is one of the greatest fugazis we've ever seen. Trey Lance played one game and no one considered it of any value. Zach Wilson's schedule, and BYU schedule is usually pretty good, especially before they joined the the Big Twelve. They were an independent team, but they would play a lot of like legit squads. That thing was a joke. I mean the best team they played that year was Coastal Carolina, so I mean mac Jones. Alabama won the national championship and they're one of the greatest programs of all time. But one huge advantage that team had is when the whole world was locked down, well not the whole world, I mean half the states in this country were rocking and rolling by the summer. I know the state that I'm living in definitely was. But you know, in the South, you know, it was very difficult to bring guys on campus. College campuses were pushing back. Nick Saban and Alabama had a workout program going on at you know, LANDA Dickerson's house, and that thing was rocking and rolling. It's why when they played everybody, they looked completely normal and these other teams looked fucking lost. Mac Jones had one of the more manipulated seasons in the history of college football. Now prop Sabama, they never kept their foot off the pedal. That's what successful people do. But Mac Jones, I mean, I remember when it was discussed about Kyle Shanahan taking him third over. It's honestly one of the most embarrassing conversations we've ever had in the history of the NFL. Not that he took a different guy that was correct, either, but at least he took a swing on a guy with some traits. You know, Mac Jones, most of my life is like a fourth or fifth round draft pick. Like he doesn't even get drafted on the second day. But that's a conversation for a different day. But regardless, like the Jets now don't have a head coach, they do not have a GM. And I promise you this, Rex Ryan is going to be a name you're going to hear more about. I'm not making this up. I don't know. I'm not saying he's going to get the job, but he wants the job. I've been told very reliably that Woody Johnson never wanted to fire him in the first place, and they have a good relationship and just one big picture thing, like who is going to be lined up for this gig? I know Rogers said the other day that, like, you know, I plan on returning next year. It's no longer up to him. Whoever, the new coach and new GM will determine that, like we don't want you around, and maybe he retires, maybe they trade him somewhere else. I don't know who would trade for him, but I would say, as of right now, I'd be a little surprised if Aaron Rodgers on the Jets next year. And I'd also be a little surprised if coaches with options, coaches that have teams that want them, would choose the Jets if they could choose other teams. Now, money talk, shit walks. Woodie Johnson no longer has to pay his general manager after another month, you know, Robert Sola and his staff. I don't know the contract situations, but it's not like he's gonna be paying those guys for years. So if what he goes, hey, listen, I want Mike Vrabel. Here's seventeen million dollars a year. Be hard to turn that down. So obviously, if what he wants to get really aggressive financially, he can't. And people listen when you get aggressive. The Denver Bronco job two years ago was an awful job, and they said, hey, Sean Payton, here's ninety million dollars, and you know what Sean Payton said, where do I sign? So money is a huge, huge curve ball always in these discussions, but I truly believe Rex Ryan is a name to keep an eye on. Okay, the NFL season is rolling along and contenders are separating from the pack. But one thing hasn't changed. Baby. Draftking Sportsbook, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL, is the number one place the bet touchdowns. Listen. 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Him a new contract. I feel pretty confident saying Eberflus will not be the Bears coach next year. So that's four. I think it's pretty clear that Doug Peterson will not be the coach of the Jacks next year. That would be five. Then we start getting curveballs. Is Antonio Pierce one and done? Nick Sirianni, who's eight and two, and they're having a good season. They look good. They're clearly right now a top four to five team probably in the NFL. But a little like James Franklin, like he's gonna get judges in the big game, So like, what do you do if you're the two seed? You better win that game in the first round. Like they're they're gonna make the playoffs, they're gonna win the division. But if you tell me the Eagles are the second or third seed and they were to lose in the first round, I would say Sirianni's fired depending on who they play in the second round, like there would be pressure on them to win that game as well. So I believe he's the one coach of this group, probably because he's the only coach of this group that's going in the playoffs. I don't think he is just a lock to keep his job if they go to the playoffs. I do think what happens in the playoffs matters to Sirianni. The Browns a lot of buzz out there about Stefanski. I would fire him, but a lot like the Jets owner's nut job, and you have no clue on any given day what the hell Flying j is gonna do. So I think it's fair to say, yeah, Kevin Stefanski's job is just up in the air. Would I be surprised if he's nothing happens, No, not at all. If you tell me Stefanski is a coach of the Browns twenty twenty five, yeah, I could see that. But if you tell me they just don't win another game and he gets shit canned because the owner's are nut like, I'd also believe that as well. The Giants. I don't know. I know the owner came out and said, these guys are not going anywhere. Well, a couple weeks later, Tommy DeVito is now their starting quarterback, So obviously Daniel Jones stinks it's hard to win games with them. It's gonna be hard to win games with Tommy DeVito, So all of a sudden, you lose like Cooper Rush on Thanksgiving. Who knows Cincinnati the quarterback is. I mean, you could argue he's playing as well as any player in the league any position. Jamar Chase has been a dominant force, and you're four and seven, So I think it's fair to say that Zach Taylor's job is in major jeopardy. I'd say Tampa is a little bit of a wild card. I think Todd Bowle is doing a good job as a head coach, But what if they think they can get Belichick. So then so you get the Raiders, the Browns, the Giants, Sincy, Tampa, and who knows, maybe I'm missing some wild card team. I know if you spend enough time on the internet, ninety of forty nine er fans on the Internet think Kyle Shanahan should be fired. One he shouldn't be fired. Two he's not going to be fired. And three, if Kyle Shanahan was fired, every single team I listed would line up to hire him, as well as teams would fire their coach to hire the guy. But here's what I think would happen. I think the Eagles would immediately fire Siriani and if for Shanahan like a five year contract, but Shannan is not gonna get fired again, nor should he. I would give Shanahan a contract extention because when you look at this, let's just say, I'll just pick a number. Let's say there's seven openings. Are there seven candidates do you feel good about hiring? If we assume Belichick is gonna get a job, and I would say, I'm not one hundred percent that Bill Belichick is gonna be a head coach in two isy twenty five, but I'm I'm above seventy five percent. Mike Vrabel, who pretty clearly probably wants to be a head coach. Again, let's say he's got a job. Let's say Ben Johnson finally goes it's my time to quote fabulous, it's my time and takes a job. Okay, there's three guys. Aaron Glenn goes to the Saints, or the Jets. Okay, that's four, Like, are there enough candidates to satisfy these openings? And I think the answer is I'm not sure. Like the reason you get so many of these coaches hired and then three or four years later fired because were they really great candidates? Like is Bobby Slowick right now maybe it would be in three or four years an excellent candidate right now, he's called plays for two fucking years. When the forty nine Ers hired Kyle Shanahan in twenty seventeen, he had been a play caller for close to a decade. Some of these guys just started calling plays because they were never able to call plays because they worked for play callers. Now, it doesn't mean that you won't be good at it. I would say, we all think Kevin O'Connell's pretty good. And he never really got to call plays when he worked for Sean McVay or Jay Gruden because he was the quarterback coach or the offensive coordinator where those guys were calling plays. But still, like, I just don't know. This is why I brought up the names like Kirby Smart. That's why Dan Lanning's name got thrown out there. The other day, it's like, who are we really competing against? Who are now there are some older coaches who are coordinators. Would you sniff around, like, is anyone interviewing Steve Spagnola? Is someone interviewing and hiring Jesse mentor harbass defensive coordinator? Advanced Joseph Sean Payton's defensive coordinator. We've seen him be a head coach before it did not go well. So I don't know. I think it's easy to fire your coach because you think he stinks. And I'll never blame an owner if you don't take the guy seriously. You don't take the guy seriously. You just pray to God that you're not firing the next Belichick or like Dan Snyder in twenty twelve when he fired Mike Shanahan and that crew, you're just hoping you fire, you know, some rando like Joe Judge, like this is gonna age, Well, but who do you hire? I think it's so easy to be like, fire the coach, Okay, who do you hire? Really quick? On the Netflix thing, I watched a decent amount of it. I did have a hard time buffering, which really threw me off because when we remodeled this house before I even moved in. I made this company a lot of money to hard to wire my house. Obviously it's my business. I was gonna go all YouTube TV, so you could not It's it'd be hard, given the size of my house to spend any more money on the electrical operation that I got set up in my pad with all the TVs wired, I have this huge box in a closet that I don't even know what it is from the you know, it's like Fort Knox with cameras, the whole thing. But I had to have the fastest Internet set up humanly possible. And I remember turning that thing on, you know, right as it started, and it just would not load. And it really threw me off and didn't know what was going on. And obviously a bunch of people experienced it, and then you just topped on Twitter and everyone complained, and everyone complained till the moment that thing end ended. And I didn't quite understand that I get as a consumer if I buy a pay per view and I go back. And I mentioned this to Colin being in college. When Oscar de la Hoya fought Floyd Mayweather, it was such a terrible fight, and at the time whatever we paid, I mean all chipped in twenty bucks or whatever, one hundred bucks nine ninety ninety nine, we watched it across the neighbor's house, at Caitlyn's house because she had a pretty sweet setup at cal Pauly, and I remember sitting around we were all like, this fight sucks, and it's happened a lot in boxing, right, You have bought pay per views that just haven't been that good. But you tell me Floyd's fighting Connor, or We're just gonna buy it, and then everyone complains. You have a right to complain if the steak doesn't taste good and you just spend you know, three hundred dollars a dinner. But at this point in time, when everyone owns Netflix, I don't have to watch it, so I'm just turning it on. It is. It's not free because I pay for Netflix, but I'm not paying for this. You pay for Netflix for the catalog of all the bullshit that they give us, and ideally five six times a year they give you something that blows your mind. It's much more few and far between now than I think it used to be. I feel like it used to be much better now it's much more. Uh, I would say watered down, But like I have a hard time complaining about something that I didn't pay for directly and I didn't have to watch you. Also, part of the intrigue is just anytime you say Mike Tyson, it's like saying OJ Simpson. There are certain names that just like you start paying attention right, like's what's happening? And that's what Mike Tyson is. He's fifty eight fucking years old. Now, I was hoping, like most people that I hope iron Mike just hits them with one right, gets them close, and hits them with one of those famous upper cuts to the jaw and chaos. It was clear immediately that was not gonna happen. But when the thing ended, it was like I just watched a fifty eight year old What did I expect was going to happen? If you said, Hey, the Yukon Huskies are going to take on Michael Jordan and four other guys we all watch, I think it's fair to assume at sixty years old, Michael Jordan would not be good at basketball. Why he's old, I've always said, like Aaron Rodgers, why he sucks now he can't move his arm is still really good Dan Marino. If you put him in pads and the commercial where he's in pads with like Jerry Rice and Emon Smith and just had him throw an out route, if you let him warm up his arm, I bet it would look pretty good. But if you threw Dan Marino in a UFL game one of those Spring leagues. I bet if you said, hey, Dan Marino is starting for the Florida whatever they are against the Birmingham I am, you know, Rivercats quadruple, the amount of people that would normally watch would watch. I think it's fair to say that he would suck. So fifty eight years old boxer, regardless of being one of the all time legends and most powerful punchers in the history of civilization. He was fifty eight years old. So I think we're so quick to complain. I always notice this. Everyone loves doing a negative spin on stuff. Sometimes if I just need to chill, I'll just go to YouTube and just go down a rabbit hole of some music. And I'm a big like type in whoever I want to listen to acoustic like, I want to hear them just raw and real and if you go to anyone, especially my generation, right, people from the nineties. So like, I find myself just getting in these moods where I want to listen to the music that I grew up on. I think, and I will probably always think, think that that's the best time in the history of music. Why because that's what I grew up on. Just like most people, the music they grew up on usually means the most. But if you go to the comments section of anything whatever I'm listening to, Sound Garden, Doctor, Dre, you fucking name it, all the comments are with a negative spin. Remember when music was great? How much better this music is than what is playing now. These guys today could never do this. It's the easiest thing to do. And don't get me wrong, Like I can be negative as well, but on this situation, like I don't know what anyone expected, right, this was Netflix is in the business of getting a lot of people to watch these events and it worked. And honestly, boxing has been really good at that over the years because they do the circus app circus act things that draw us in and then we watch and then we immediately complain. I told Coward this the other day. I'm not a big When I was at cal Pauly, Chuck Laydell was in this heyday. Chuck Laydell wrestled at cal Pauly and trained at cal Pauly, So it was a really big deal in the early mid two thousands, and we used to buy the fights and it was awesome because the iceman he was a one hitter, quitter. And I don't buy most of the UFC cards, not because I don't respect the business, not because I don't know how tough those guys is. I also went to college with Chad Mendez, toughest little fucker I've ever seen in my life and probably the toughest guy I'll ever be around. And he obviously thought Aldo and Connor McGregor, like you getting that octagon, you have to be a complete badass. But even with the promotion and they've done a great job and they've become a mainstream success, it's not quite the hype of a big boxing match. And maybe because there are fewer of them, maybe because UFC fights a lot, Maybe because liked in the fight business like an entertainment. Like in team sports, you go as far as your stars go. When was the NBA the biggest in my life, Magic Bird, Michael Kobe and Shack When was boxing the biggest in my life? Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, no different than UFC, Chuck Lydell, Connor McGregor. You need stars, and Mike Tyson is a star that still has name recognition. It just happens that he's fifty eight years old. Okay, let's dive into cough on campus. And now I want to to introduced a young man who I've run into a couple of times at the golf course and he works at TPC Scottsdale. And he was just wearing me out on the driving range, a place that I go to about seven times a year, and just question after question on football. And then we started bsing and we became buddies, and I realized that he works, you know, he played football at Montana. A little walk on Wanta be Julian Edelman Historic program. And this guy I see him hustling on social media. He introduced me to my video guy Luis shooting the golf videos. I was like, this Jackson, guy's going places. And I've been thinking for a long time. I'm like, you know, I want to I need to get some other voices on the podcast, some young, some young fervor and fire a football guy and jackson' basked me over the last six months, hey man, anything at the volume, anything going on? And I've been thinking about it for a while, and the other day I was I was actually in the sauna. It's where I do some of my best thinking. I'm like, I just let's just do it. So I text him the other day and uh, I'm gonna call him intern Jackson. But he's going to this guy loves college football and he's gone your your college, your college wide receiver coach is at Texas now, right, you and your dad went to the Texas game. Yeah.

Yeah, he was in my receiver coach in high school.

Now he's at Texas.

So to see him kind of transition from high school to Texas. But no, I appreciate the opportunity. God is good man.

I'm excited to.

Be on here and talk some college football. And I got some questions for you for cough on campus that I want you to answer.

Fire him out and we'll we'll go through them because it's kind of we're recording this before the uh before the top twelve reveal which you could argue doesn't really. I mean, there's so much influx. Some of these teams still play each other. We know we're gonna get some upsets once Boise it looks like is gonna probably like they're gonna get the spot. I think it's safe to say Notre Dame's gonna get the spot. But the SEC has to play itself out a little bit. And obviously Indiana Ohio State this week. But it's been a fun year. Like listen, people talk shit about the parody like there's not you know, it's wide open. I actually enjoy that, Like it's cool when Alabama's in their dynasty or Miami's in their dynasty, or Ohio State or Florida or whatever. But I think the cool part about this year, however it does shake out, is you could argue, of the twelve teams that get in, like eight of them are gonna truly feel like they can win the Natty. You know, Boise it is boys are gonna feel like they can win the Natty? Is Indiana gonna feel like they can win the Natty? Probably not. You know, you're a Notre Dame fan, Can they win the Natty?

I just want one game. I just want one win, John, just one win. That's all I asked for. I gotta be army this weekend though, So let's starting.

To buy you.

LSU lost three straight games Texas A and m Alabama Florida. John, does LSU have a Brian Kelly problem?

You know what's crazy is I think when we look back three years ago, they wanted Lincoln Riley and rightfully so, and it kind of felt like when he went to USC for one hundred and twenty million dollars, they got, you know, the second girl at the bar, who was a little chubbier, not as good looking, but hey, they were desperate and she was an upgrade over what they were dating. I thought that it would work and maybe not win a national championship over the first three years, but they would you told me there was a twelve team playoff, I would have been like Brian Kelly's in the playoffs. I think this year is way more embarrassing than last year. Like they just had a situation where their defense was terrible, but they still had the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback who looks like he's going to be a star. Widers they were a really really fun watch. You know, once you lose the USC in a game that I give you a lot of credit because remember Lincoln Riley saying I want out right and Brian Kelly's like, fuck that we're playing and you lose whatever. But these three games, to lose that A and M the way they did in the second half, to get boat raced at home with Nick Saban being gone, and to lose that game at Florida. Now, Florida's a tough place to play and that team was coming, but that was embarrassing. BRO eight and four at LSU is an epic disaster. Year three, I mean with NFL players everywhere, I don't know. I mean they can't. I read like the way the buyout works, it's basically a year by year thing. So they're paying the guy ninety million dollars. He's into year three like he's not going anywhere. But I don't see how anyone serious around the program looks at him the same. And the only way that he's gonna get out of it is like next year being the final four. But just to get there, we know how hard, I mean, look how hard it is in the SEC. So does nuss Meyer come back to school? He probably does do they want him to come back to school. I mean, he's they started playing real teams, he's looked like shit, So I don't know. I mean, you're a Notre Dame guy. I think a lot of you guys are kind of dancing on his grave. The irony is that it's easier at Notre Dame because you guys play nobody. If he just there to go eleven and one every year, like, it's just way harder in the SEC.

I think it's interesting too with LSU. It's like, would you want to win a national championship or do you want to win eight nine games barely make the playoff? And then I was gonna ask you too, like they've got this five star kid. I'm sure you've heard of him, Bryce Underwood. Do they kind of are they worried to get rid of Brian Kelly because they don't want to lose his five star or do you think that they could get another Deon Sanders come in from Colorado?

But isn't that the guy that they he's gonna charge like ten million dollars that now Michigan's involved, and maybe LSU doesn't have the funds. Just big picture, I would be very uncomfortable always paying huge money for a high school quarterback. I mean everyone acted like Matt Ruhle was, you know, gonna win a national championship in a couple of years because he got Dylan Royola for four five million dollars, and you know, it's pretty clear the reason that he didn't go to Georgia is like Kirby's like, we're not paying it that much money. And I watched Dylan Ryola after Everyone's like he's Patrick mahonmes two point out, like he's just not a very good player right now. I mean, it's just that's just this is nothing personal. He's just I watch him and I go, like, for five million dollars, this is not gonna work. I feel much better like paying a Dylan Gabriel, paying a Panics, paying a bon Nix, like people that, you know, cam Ward, I would not be in the business of paying ten million, like if I'm lsu, I am not getting into a eight ten million dollar bidding war of over a high school recruit. I mean, look look at Oklahoma, you know, I mean Jackson Arnold Boom camp Nico can't miss. It's like you watch him, it's like this is it's a lot of pressure. So I think LSU you just got to stick it out with Brian Kelly. But man, how do you think of all the hype too, of the of the coaches in the SEC that everyone's excited about. Obviously, Georgia thinks they have Nick Saban two point zero rightfully, So if you're Texas, you're proud of Sark, like he's a he's a real coach. Ole Miss best coach they've had in my life. Alabama, You're like you were down on him, he's kind of pissing you off. Then boom, he kicks LSU's asked, and now you're feeling good. So it's like, of all the top programs, I would say LSU is like the most down on their coach, which is a problem when you're paying a got ten million dollars.

Speaking of a program that's high in their coach. Right now, Colorado Buffalo's that are now favored according to the Draft Kings to win the Big Twelve assuming they went out. Assuming they win the Big Twelve championship, which could be against ASU or BYU this Saturday, can Colorado win a playoff game?

If you win the conference means you're a top four seed. Does that mean you get a home game or by the time they plays or are on neutral sites? Do you know the answer to.

That Top four would be neutral site, which would be the festival here. But it's weird because they're a two loss team. Boise State's a one loss team. So some are saying that Colorado wins, they win the Big Twelve, that Boise State would get that first round by and then Colorado would get the twelve seed going to Oregon or Ohio State.

But you automatically get a top four seed right when you win the conference.

Correct, correct, Yeah, but it's the top four conference champions. That's why they're kind of speculating that Boise State could slip in there as that fourth.

Oh if you're saying that if Colorado has two losses, and really when you look at it, like who have they beat? And that's part of the problem. I heard Rosillo go on this rant. You know, forever it was conference aligned, you know, inside a conference, the PAC twelve, the Big twelve, I guess the Big twelve wasn't, but the Big ten in the SEC was split east and west or north and south. Now it's kind of random, like the Georgia schedule this year is pretty insane, right, and then you look at Colorado their schedule. They they don't play BYU in the regular season. Now they played Kansas State and they lost, but they don't even play ASU until they would the championship game. Did they even play Iowa State? And I'm not hating on them because they have been really impressive. I if you told me, and again, like, depending on how it shakes out, they get a home game, I think that would be a pretty crazy place. That place has been rocking this year. If it's a neutral site game, Like if they get a neutral site game against like Texas or Georgia or even like a Penn State, I think it would be very very difficult for them, Notre Dame whoever, all all the big seven eight teams. I think it would be a problem. I think a home game would be I'd give them a fighting chance because I would say a neutral site against the top seven eight teams, the Bamas, the Tennessee's, the Georgia's, Ohio State, Oregon, I think they'd be like a ten point underdog. What's been the biggest thing for maybe a little less, but I feel like they would be a touchdown underdog, don't you think?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's been the biggest thing for you for Colorado that you've been most impressed with? From where we saw the beginning of the season when they lost to Nebraska, a lot of people wrote them off, including myself to now.

What's there? They were joking that game it was like it felt like they were going to win three or four games. I would say it has to be if you watch them play. They are so good now on defense relative to what they were. I mean last year they were even that first game against North Dakota State. Who you fault like, is North Dkota State having a good season? Pretty good? Yeah?

Top three in the FCS right now?

Yeah? Oh yeah. So, I mean they are consistent. They've won a bunch of national championships. I mean they are I would say over the last fifteen twenty years the Alabama of that kind of division or right you know, Alabama ls Ohio State like one of the powerhouse programs. So I didn't hold it against them that they were in a tighter game, but in that game, it was like, got their defense is the same. They can't and they are they don't have the athletes that some of these big twelve teams. So I just expected them to not get to six games. But as the season has gone on, I mean their defensive line, like Hier and Warren Sap, I mean that unit is flying around and that Shepherd kid that they the transfer from Vanderbilt, number fourteen, He's been really really good for them, you know. I think offensively they feel a little bit more balanced, and defensively that D line, I mean just I feel like they pressured the court. They were never they were a joke last year. Now they are not. Also, they're really rolling right now. This Kansas game. I think a lot of people in the gambling community are kind of in on Kansas been playing well. It's gonna be tough. I mean, this was a team that a lot of people thought could be a sleep or playoff team right ku before the season. I think they lost a ton of one score games. I was at a bar like last weekend, and it was Colorado was about to kick off against Texa Tech and Kansas was kicking off against Iowa State, and it was like twenty one to seven before you could even play like Kansas playing well. So it's gonna be if Colorado wins this week. I feel pretty confident, like ASU's had a great season, but they're not as good as Colorado? Are they? Mm hmm, I don't. I don't.

I don't think so. But they could be. They could be BYU this weekend. Who knows.

Let's go to the say you could lose the BYU two and then it would be b YU Colorado, right, yeah, which would also be a tough game, like Colorado would be no lock to beat b YU. Like b YU. We can question whether they were a great undefeated team, but they're good, right, I mean that that would be really really hard. So if Colorado does win out and that includes let's say b YU, that's a pretty impressive beating this Kansas team the way they're playing, and then beating BYU in the in the neutral site, pretty big twelve neutral site. Pretty sure they are. Yeah, they played at and T Stadium, Yeah for a T and T. Yeah, Yeah, so it's that'd be That'll be a lot of people they are rooting for d On, a lot of Cowboy fans. Hopefully the stadium doesn't.

Breakdown when they play that game.

Geez.

Third question for you, Let's go back to the SEC as it sits right now, Texas is first nine to one, followed by five, eight and two teams. I ask you, John, who's the best team of the SEC right now? Or I should say who do you trust the most? Because every team we see week in and week out perform their best, look like they're the best team, and then the next week they lose.

I would say, Carson Beck is gonna play like he did the other night. I mean, everyone's like, oh what about Carson Beck? Now? Well, yet he had not looked like that all season. If he had been playing like the game he just had at home against Tennessee, we'd be talking about him like a lock first round pick. Instead, he played like an undrafted free agent. But when your defense is going to be that good and they are loaded with NFL guys and you have a quarterback who I mean he was making like layered throws, that's the best team in the country. Like we you know, listened. I mean, they were so bad that first half against Alabama, but they did lightening up in the second half and comes storming back. They beat the shit out of Texas. They were down ten to nothing against Tennessee and came storming back and won by multiple touchdowns, Like, I think their ceiling is the highest because if they're like Carson Beck if he's playing well and quinn Ewers if he's playing well. I like Carson Beck Moore. I'm not a huge fan of either quarterback, but I like their I just believe in Kirby Smart. Yes, the one thing was Sark like, they have an awesome roster. You could argue beside Ohio State, the best roster money can buy, but like, is he truly? My thing with Sark always is like is he a tough guy? And I think sometimes in college football when when you get to the final four, now the final eight, like everyone's gonna be loaded with NFL guys. Now, it's like, who's a fucking tough That's what Saban always had, Like I was a tough Urban had that. They're just these crazy tough mode in the history of college football, it's a lot of that, right. These coaches aren't like known for being Bill Walsh or Bill Bill Belichick on a whiteboard. Saban was an outlier, But I would say Saban hung his hat on being like that guy could give a fucking pregame speech and get the troops ready. And I think Kirby is the best version of that. It's like the one thing like Ryan Day and Chip like they're not tough guys. Like why do people on Dan Lanning, Well, who's who did he mentor under Kirby? You know, listen, your guy Notre Dame is a tough guy, right, He's a former linebacker Ohio State like he is. Now, are they dynamic enough on offense? But I do believe like he is a tough guy. It's just kind of come down to you know, rocket his smile and Jerome bettis like if they were if they had LSU's talent on offense skill wise, I would take Notre Dame more. Seriously, what do you make of Old.

Miss after that win against Georgia? You didn't think if they get in they're gonna be a tough out for teams in the playoff for sure. I mean they got an NFL quarterback, they got a coach that does not give a shit. I would say Lane kind of is in his own little world though, like he's not. It's weird, right, like Sark and Ryan Day are under more pressure, like when you coach at Old Miss last I think last year when he won double digit games, it was the first time in Old Miss history they'd gone back to back years with double digit games. It's like they're just so excited to have a competent football.

Program right where he's not under the same pressure as his guy sark Like it was like a couple of years ago, it's like, start gonna make it here. Once Lane won ten games first time, it's like, hey, contract extention, just stay here forever. Even Ryan Day, it's like, I'm not the biggest Ryan Day guy, but his record is fantastic and he's like fighting for his job. So it's like it's hard to know what he would look like. I would say this, the talent on that roster is pretty impressive. I mean what they did at Georgia the other night or a couple of weeks ago in the rain. Now, I think sometimes in college football in the SEC, these home field advantages are just so crazy. So it's like, yeah, if they just played a bunch of neutral sites games, Like does how many times z ole Miss beat Georgia on a neutral site? They played ten times? Probably two or three, But you get them at home, you know, that was a big advantage. Like Tennessee got Bama at Tennessee. You know, it just depends. You know, Georgia had to go to Bama. I do think when you look at all these top teams that are all vying for the playoffs, most of their biggest wins against other sweet teams have not been on the road. Right A and M beat LSU at home, Bama beat Georgia at home, Georgia beat Tennessee at home, Ole Miss beat Georgia at home. These fucking places are bananas, and most of these games now that like the new TV deals, I feel like all the big primetime games this year have been the sec haven't they. Oh yeah, oh yeah, ABC's ESPN deal they have.

It's that one, that one PM slot and that four to thirty PM slot, and.

Now yeah, the four to thirty spot has been the prime. It used to be kind of go back and forth a little bit, like for most of my adult life, like Ohio State and Michigan and some of the Pac twelve teams. Would you know, it would kind of rotate. But now you know the big controversy of Big Noon and rightfully so they own that morning spot, which is basically all Ohio State. We're is pissing people off. But listen, it's you're not you would split viewers against the SEC. So in terms of like they're getting these massive viewers because they're not the morning slot typically sucks and then the SEC and the Big ten or I guess not the Big ten, but some of the former PAC twelve schools that are in the Big ten now play in that one o'clock four thirty slot and it hurts the SC's down because they It's like someone text me the other day, like, what do you think in Nebraska USC, I'm like, I didn't even know they were playing, right, I didn't even know the game was on fighting for a Bowl game.

Speaking of Big Noon, my fourth question for you, sir, can Indiana stun Ohio State? And if Indiana loses margin of loss I guess will be in consideration for this game. Can the Hoosiers still get in the playoff?

This is this is gonna be a polarizing question because I do think if they lose, like and I don't think this is gonna happen, I would expect. I don't know why, besides just watching them play against random Big ten teams, they beat the shit out of them, Like Indiana has rolled people. Now this is a completely different world on the road, and he do you know what's crazy is like, can you imagine a bunch of dudes you play with at Montana? I mean, things have changed because of transfer portal and stuff. Just like two years later being at like a big Tanner SEC school and all being starters on undefeated team at ten and zero and like like this team's gonna be one of the best. That's just a crazy. When I was at cal Pauly, we were pretty good, and the jump when I got to Fresno State felt like Jesus and all those guys. He took a bunch of JMU guys and my buddy did his guy Haberman that does Big ten Network, that's called a bunch of their games. He's like, do you know when he originally recruited those guys at GMU, they weren't like the appy state like they had already bumped up. They were still down in D one, double A. So the you could argue that's why he's like an eight to nine million if he can if he can develop players, I mean, what an incredible opportunity because you're never gonna out recruit Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, LSU. But if I can get the middle tier guys, why can't I be like the Boise State of the Big ten. So he has a huge value. But we're gonna find out, like can his dudes from JMU who have looked incredible. It's I would say it's a little different animal here those you know, what's the receiver's name, Jeremiah Smith of the safety that they paid like five million dollars from Alabama. I mean, these guys aren't like really good call. These guys are like top five NFL players. Like if these guys could come out after their freshman or sophomore years, they're getting drafted in the top ten. So and listen some of his JM. You guys from Indiana are probably gonna get drafted on like the third day, which is which is awesome, Like you can play the NFL for a long time. But I would love it if Indiana won. I just have a hard time. If it's close, it's an incredible achievement. I do think though, if he gets his shit kicked in, Like if it's like thirty to nothing in half and going into the fourth quarter it's like forty five to seven, I think people will start answering the asking the question, and then you know who's gonna get loud as the SEC guys like, wait, they get to play nobody like I was thinking if because for a minute, when you're down to ten nothing and you're like, wait, George is gonna lose? You can't. They're gonna have three losses and they're not gonna make the playoffs. We all acknowledge they're one of the best ten teams, but because of their crazy schedule, Like is Indiana better than them? I'll give Penn State a little more room, even though like their head coach lose all these games. They do have NFL guys everywhere and they are tough, Like I do think if Indiana played Penn State, I would take Penn State. And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe Kirk Signetti is like the next Nick Saban. I don't know, but I would be. I would be surprised. Now if you like it, I think it's like a ten point like they're getting a lot of points for a nundfeather and half put it this way, if the same thing had happened and it was Penn State or Michigan who had been beating the ship out of these teams going into the Ohio State game. This game would be like a three point line, you know, and we'd be talking. We wouldn't even question, like this game would be irrelevant. They would be a lock to be in the playoffs. And you could argue that maybe they are actually a lock in that committee room. But yeah, I would not want to be Indiana and get blown out and take my chances because like they will just lean with let's just load up on those two loss teams. You know. I think a lot of people football guys and like players would make the argument that, like the two lost SEC teams are just better if you get destroyed in this game, I don't know. I mean, do you think they got a shot?

No, at Ohio State. I would was a neutral cier at Indiana. I think one thing to look in this game is if Curtis Rourke throws the interception early, he starts out slow, it's gonna be a long day for him. But I think if they can keep it close, like you said, like if they lose by a touchdown, I think into the committee's eyes, it's a better loss than Penn State at home. But I mean it's a hell of a story though, I'd love to see love to see them make the playoff.

But they're probably I would say it would have to take a massacre for them to get left out. You could probably lose by twenty points.

I think I think they're minus five hundred to make the playoff right now.

Being yeah, so you could lose like forty to twenty and let's just say a half, it's you know, twenty one to ten or something. Yeah, it'd be like attle House. I think they'd be okay. The one thing they've done and a couple of times I watched them, I mean one time I had a pretty big bet on Nebraska. They boat race you early, like that's been an Indiana thing. And then they they're kind of like the Detroit Lions of the NFL. Obviously the Lions we know are really good. We're about to find now. They like start kicking you when you're down, like they don't call off the dogs. I don't know. I mean, I I like Ohio State, but don't get me wrong, I would love it would make my Saturday to see Indiana win this game.

If Indiana wins by seven or fourteen, do they jump Oregon as the number one team in the Country or do.

They stay at two. That's a good question. I mean, I well, they would basically be a lock then to play Oregon. It wouldn't really matter because Ohio State would essentially be done right because I think is Indiana's last game perdue Indian So it would be Indiana Oregon. So even if you just like they play each other, which whoever would win that game would be a lock to be number one. That would be if he were to beat Ohio State. Sometimes, you know, upsets happened early in the season, you don't quite know when it happens, and then they age either better or worse. This is one of those, like we've had a long build up to this, Ohio he doesn't get to sneak up on Ohio State. Right. That's the other thing. Sometimes upsets in like September, you kind of get to sleep on, like the team gets to sneak up on you. Even Vanderbilt when they beat Alabama, I think it would be a lot different three weeks later. But you just played Georgia. You're playing Vanderbilt. I just don't take you seriously because you're Vanderbilt. If Ohio State had played Indiana, like five weeks ago. Even if they were five and zero. I wonder if they would they just they would not take them as seriously no chance, but there is no way, there's no avoiding. Like I think they're treating this game like they're playing Penn State or Oregon, which sucks for Indiana because I think part of a good upset is, like when you're clearly unmanned, is you get to fly under the radar, like get to attack from the back. But like when they put their soldiers behind the house, it's harder to do a sneak attack.

It's gonna be a fun game. I'm speaking in the Big Ten. My fifth question for you. Three weeks ago, you said on your show that you liked Oregon to win the national championship. We've seen this this season where some teams at the top have had some scared games. They had a narrow victory last weekend sixteen to thirteen at Wisconsin. Has your view changed on the Ducks after that narrow victory?

Well, I think you're like I said about the SEC, I would say Wisconsin is one of the places and we don't see it as much because these Big Ten teams play a lot of morning games. When you do play a night game in some of these places, Penn State, Wisconsin, they do have an sec vibe like that's a tough place to play and you're still dealing with eighteen nineteen twenty year old guys, like you don't get to blow everyone out. I still like Oregon a lot. I one I guess thing I would change my tune on. I do think it's going to be very, very difficult to bet on who's gonna win the National Championship because one, you're not getting great odds on like Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, and to me, there are no lock to make it pass like it's gonna be hard for them to get to the final four, and there are no lock to be in the final game. So you might just be better off betting on an individual game basis. I think it's pretty wide open. I saw something on TV as like college Football today or you know like if all miss gets in, could they win the Natty? Well, hell yeah, And that's I don't think we could say that, you know in recent years now, granted it was just a small pool, but it was pretty clear, like looking back last year, you know, the National Championship turns out it was Michigan Alabama because Washington, while they match up really good against Texas, it would have been those two defenses were too good. They just wouldn't have been able to I mean Alabama has like corners starting for the Detroit Allance, I mean their defense, the pass rusher who went in the first round of the Minnesota Vikings like that would have been they would have lost those two games. So it turns out the National Championship was at the Rose Bowl. I don't know if we're going to be able to say that about like any of these games now, Oregon has as good of a chance as any But like, do you think Notre Dame can win national championship?

No?

No, I think game you gotta play more games.

Right, I do think Notre Dame at home against Penn State would be a closer game than people expect. I think Notre Dame would be an underdog.

Like I get it.

Notre Dame hasn't played anybody than I you loss. I hear about it every day, you know, week two and stuff. But if you talk about most impressive team the last two months that's been dominating teams like Indiana has, Notre Dame has Riley Leonard has been more confident in the pocket. But I do worry about USC next week on the road because those are one of those games that Notre Dames, like you talk about Brian Kelly winning those games, Marcus Freeman usually loses that last week in a rivalry.

Game when they need to win it most. So the one thing you're going for, the one thing you get going for. There will be no home field advantage for ESC, No one cares. It'll be pretty life. If anything, There'll be a lot like West Coast Notre Dame fans out there. You could argue it be a Notre Dame home game, true, you.

Should go to that Probably be cheap tickets I'll use, I'll use game time, yeah, coach on game time, Yeah.

Yeah. I mean there's gonna be there's gonna be a lot of pressure on three or four coaches in that first round, the non by teams, and if those two teams play each other there probably there'll be You could argue there'll be more pressure on James Franklin than any coach, you know, five through twelve those original games, because if he can't, especially if he's favored against Notre Dame, technically he's he probably won't get a home game. Huh, probably won't happen.

Mm, probably not.

No, I don't, I don't. I don't know. It's either gonna be like the fifth or the sixth, or they're out, like they either beat USC and they're like one of the top teams, or they're just out. If they lose that game, they're out. There's no margin for victory, which the SEC would love for Notre Dame to lose because that would basically get them five teams.

I was gonna ask you to my last question, bonus question six, do you value because now with the transfer portal and nil, like the landscape of college football is just evened out and you always hear, well, they haven't played anybody but eye.

Test strike the schedule.

Do you value strike the schedule now because of the new landscape of college football or is it more eye test in your opinion?

What for both? The thing to me, the thing with strength of schedule is like a schedule could look good at the beginning of the season and then by the end looks shittier. And I think sometimes you know in the SEC, like this is gonna be a hard schedule, This is not gonna be hard. But like when a team runs the table that no one thought, like Indiana, like people picked them to win like three or four games, and then they win and you try to discount it. I think one thing that hurts the Big Ten is just down because Michigan sucks. So like part of the SEC argument's always been like, you know, the bottom sucks. Well, yeah, the middle tier has always been loaded with NFL players. So you had these teams winning six or seven games, but they were full of like five or six guys from those teams would be drafted and then the top teams were elite, and the Big Ten always had that too, but now their top They got very lucky that Oregon got involved because like Ohio State Oregon, Penn State's kind of established what they are, an NFL factory that you don't trust to win any big game. I do think the eye test has to matter because like Penn State has not beat anybody, and they haven't in a long time, but it's clear they're pretty damn good because of the NFL players they have like on their front seven and they're beating ninety five percent of the country. It just happens like, yeah, the last three years Jim Harbaugh owned them. Well, yeah, Jim Harbaugh had an NFL team. Ohio State kicks their ass. Well yeah, Ohi State kicks everyone's ass except like two or three teams in the country. So you know, I I think it's a tough argument. There's no right or wrong answer. But the eye test watching a team play over the course of a season has to matter, right, it just does. Like clearly, you know, A and M loses Notre Dame and then as you've seen them play, like they clearly have a good coach and they're loaded with NFL players. Now just because you have an eye test, that would have been the thing for Georgia. Like if they would have lost that game to Tennessee and they had three losses, your argument to get them into the playoff would have been the eye test. It's like, guys, they got every single position on defense, they got an NFL draft pick, they got NFL players on offense. Their quarterback coming into the coming into the season was viewed as a first round er. He had a bad season, but they still have the best coach. It's harder to make that, so you have to have like at the end of the day, it does come down to winning and losing the games, right, And that's like Clemson's a good example, Like I'm glad they lost that second game. They're just not as good as a lot of these teams. If you put Clemson in the SEC, they're not six and six, but they're probably like eight and four, right, and they're gonna be what ten and two, Like I watched a lot of that game against pitt the other day. I mean they should have lost that game, right, Yeah, So I.

Was gonna ask you too because on that topic, like Texas right now, so people are kind of speculating that if Texas's the Texas A and M next week, their best wins Vanderbilt. But to your point about it tests everywhere.

Their second loss, they'd be their second loss.

Yeah, so they'd be in the six way tie, Like it'd be A and M beat Texas, but Texas beat Vanderbilt, who's not even in the mix. They won't even have a win with the top six teams in the SEC.

So do they get they would be tough because it's clear they are loaded with talent, Like no one argues that, like they are a top five roster in college football. They got curb stomped by Georgia, which was pretty embarrassing. I think the where's that game in A and M? At A and M. That's a tough way to play, So I I think one thing they have going for him is they were a playoff team last year. They rolled back a lot of the dudes. I'd have no problem if they got in, But I would understand the argument because part of it, like you know, last year, for example, once it came down to the end, and remember the argument was like once Bama beat Georgia, It's like, well, Texas beat Alabama. So I'm a big believer in the head to head even if you play twelve or thirteen. You know, if you end up going the conference chapionship, you play thirteen games, what's the whole point of the sport? If I beat you straight up? Like, let's just say the final spot came down to Notre Dame in A and M. Like, even if A and M has incredible wins, I played you and I beat you, like well at the beginning. No, that's the whole point of this whole fucking sport is to play a game who wins and who loses? Now that's it's not gonna come down to that, right because Notre Dame is gonna have a less loss. But let's just say in that scenario, like whenever it comes in that scenario in football, I get in college basketball where you play all these games, and football you only play twelve, so like everyone really really matters, and I don't really know how, Like what if there are no upsets in the SEC? Like right now, who's I guess if Texas wins out? They were in the SEC championship game, right.

Yeah, it would be Texas and then Georgia would get in because A and m's second right now, But if they lose to Texas, they'd get knocked out. Georgia would get in.

So if you're in the SEC because Georgia beat Alabama, yeah yeah, correct, and they also beat Tennessee and then Ole misses all the way down there because of common opponents and tyer. So here's what's going to be interesting though, So Georgia plays Texas, right and they got two losses. What if they lose that game? So Texas beats them? So obviously Texas is probably the two seed behind Oregon. Ohio State potentially the one. I guess if Ohio State were to win that game, Georgia then has three losses, but they'd go, well, Ole Miss in Alabama are ten and two. They didn't even play. That is kind of worst case scenario where things get weird. I would guess Georgia would just be in. Wuld they get in? Like, do you think they'd get in over one of those two loss teams with the third loss, especially the game close? I think they have to.

That's what I was gonna ask you, is like, you can't punish a team that makes it the SEC Championship. And if you're the SEC right now, you almost hope that Texas beats Texas A and M because then you've got all two loss teams and then it's like you get one to three loss either Texas or Georgia. To your point, how do they not get in if they have that extra game? But you saw last year in the four team playoff that Georgia made it to the SEC Championship and lost to Bama. But I guess Bama, you know, had a good performance there and they got knocked on any think from like one to four or one to five, I should say, being Georgia. So I think it's a lot of debate, a lot of discussion. It's just gonna be weird how the committee decides it.

In the SEC bias, Indiana is throwing the curve ball in this because if they didn't exist, if they were just like an eight and four team having a great year but not a playoff team, the Big ten would just get their three teams. It'd be Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, and the SEC would get their five.

And you kind of hope that Notre Dame loses if you're the SEC, because then that takes the spot out of there too.

So but I would say, if you just did the math looking forward to the next five years, you know Notre Dame's upcoming schedule better than mine. But as long as they're going to stay independent, they're probably going to be there more often than not, right in the mix. So and especially if, like whoever their ranked teams are, if they take care of business and this year they went to Tech, does text A and M go to Notre Dame next year they do? So it's like you win that game. I mean, what's A and M going to be ranked coming into the season next year top fifteen team? I'm sure? So are you that game? Again. So I just think that I think there's gonna be a lot less energy though for whoever quote unquote gets left out because we used to it used to be a big deal. Like you could argue Florida State last year even though I think they made the right decision because their quarterback, we're all injured. I do get if you were like a Florida State fan or in the program, you're like, what are you kidding me? Right, that's it. But there was four spots this year. It's like they're twelve guys. There were twelve. So it's like, let's say Ole Miss gets left out. It's like, well, didn't you lose to Kentucky, Like that's your own fault.

Yeah, and LSU, which doesn't look as impressive right now.

So that was awful loss, especially they were up in that game. Okay, Jackson, I appreciate you. Go grizz. We'll talk to you next week. Buddy.

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