2 Pros and a Cup of JoeHour 1: Jonas, Brady & LaVar – Nuggets Force Game 7
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Nuggets force a Game 7 vs the Thunder. The Pros doubt Caleb Williams will stay in Chicago for the long haul after reports he tried to circumvent them in the Draft. Plus, failed ‘Cavalanche’ and much more!
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And away we go. It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app. You know, you can always find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. And wherever you are making us a part of your Friday morning, we appreciate you doing so. We'll be taking you all the way up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific here and we have got all sorts of conversation to be had here, and it must start with the forcing of a game seven last night, the Denver Nuggets get it done, and the Denver Nuggets will be taking on the Oklahoma City Thunder in a Game seven to move on to the Western Conference Finals against the Howling Wolves. Just sitting there waiting coming up on Sunday, fun game last night.
Oh No, I don't know that pack at home waiting to get it in, getting getting rest, you know, get a little bit more rest.
I don't.
I just don't think that that plays into that doesn't play into the advantage of either one of the OKAC or Denver if they're able to advance. This was a blown opportunity by okay See. It looked like it had the makings of you know what the previous games that okay See had won, which was you know, the game was the game in the front half. But then you know, Denver isn't able to close out. It seemed like they got tired, weren't able to have enough gas to get it done. And that wasn't a case yeah or no, No, Denver. Denver wasn't. Denver did not have enough in the tank to finish out close out games that they possibly and maybe probably could have won during the course of this series. And okay See kind of you know, had had way more. They were moving faster, they were fresher. Uh you could tell that the rotation was taking a toll on Denver.
And I still think that that was the case.
I just think that you have a team and in Denver that they're stubborn, they're the champ. They they didn't want to go home, didn't want to lose. Jamal Murray picked it up, he played better. Uh, It just it just seemed as though they were able to do something that they hadn't been really able to do. Bron played very well. He's been kind of an under the radar type of workmanlike type type guy. Yeah, going up top, up top guy in the series. Aaron Gorton, Aaron Gorton could have boned yesterday. He definitely needed to show up more, and he most likely will need to show up more in game seven. Everybody's going to have to show up for this Game seven to get out of it. But I think that this this was a really good series, a competitive series. I think it turned into somewhat of a grueling series for both of these teams. And while I'll say that Okac most likely will be better suited to move on and be fresh enough to be competitive against the Timberwolves, I think this still a Game seven being forced by bay Denver still makes this a advantageous situation in my estimation, for whoever gets out of that series.
Plan for you playing against Minnesota, Yeah.
What about Jokic, I mean up top Jones. Hell yeah, he's the one that's not letting Denver fade off in.
The sunset, all right, He's the one.
He is the best player in the NBA he's proving it right now by carrying Denver. And I just again, it's he's fun to watch, like he really is. He's like a dancing bear out there.
He doesn't that's awesome.
Like he wasn't even like he had no he hadn't hit a three until the fourth quarter, Like it wasn't. Like his offense was the same the game before it was. He didn't maybe didn't have his shot, but his ability to facilitate, Like he might be the best point guard in the NBA. Like he just like he really might be as far as passing vision, what he's able to do. He finds guys that are open, knows when to make the right play. By far and away the best player in the NBA. And I know that Oklahoma City is a big favorite and the Aaron Gordon hamstring injury is something to monitor. But man, the best team in the the best player in the NBA on the road in a game seven. That's a problem and they're gonna have to deal with it. And I would also like to point this out, Denver plus five last night was a bank heist.
At well, look at this guy, Look at this what you make? How much did he make off that one like fifteen.
Okay, yeah, but the point is, hey, that was set up to be a game seven. We deserved a game seven with the way those teams have played and the way you wanted to step Hell.
Yeah, yeah we won Game sevens.
Come on, man, if he would have put it for that, if it had been put in and sweet Baby Jesus betting Jesus' hands, I bet Jesus' hands, it wouldn't have happened. So the fact that Jonas called for this and it didn't come down from the betting heavens, from lab bet Jesus, it just, you know, it seemed to all work out.
So there you go.
I mean, you know, I'm fairly certain he won his last bet if I'm not mistaken.
So no, that's not true.
I don't think he did.
The last bet you made on Harry lost. Okay, well I was the baseball one.
Yeah, what definitely wasn't me. But we do have we do have David Adelman, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets, talking about the opportunity to have a Game seven there for the Nuggets.
Yeah.
I mean those losses were tough, but I mean it was three to two this series is still here.
I've said this.
I know it's a cliche, but every game is its own chapter, it's its own things, its own entity, and different people are going to step up, just like for them, they've had people step up in Game four and five and tonight we had that team that did it. And now you pretty suffer in a situation where hey, let's go see what happens on Sunday.
I would say this, if they're able to pull this off and knock off the one seed, this is kind of a bad look on Mike Malone. Nott's say that because Mike Malone was fired with like four or five games left in the season and people are looking around going, how could you fire that guy? Just want a title a little over a year ago? What's going on here? And then Mike Malone's got this team playing better than they had for a long time during the course of the season and now they're making a run again to the Western Conference finals. Kind of justifies maybe the decision or the temperature of the room there that they fell in Denver.
It's happened a lot of thought the NBA. There's been a number of teams. We've had coaches who have won and fired them a couple of years after. It's kind of odd.
And if it works and all of it, Like the Penguins did it a couple of times where they fired their coach in season and then you know it was Dan Bilesman nine took him to the Stanley Cup at he was a mid season higher promoted from Wilkes Bear.
And then there was.
Wilkes Bear, and then there was Mike Sullivan and who just moved on recently. But they fired Dan Bilesma mid season, made Mike Sullivan the coach, and then they went on and won a Cup and actually went back to back Cups. So I always think about the guy who was let go to see the team have success after he was gone, especially a guy like Mike Malone who disagreed with the decision. Obviously, I don't know, man Like they're that's a fun team to watch, still a significant underdog. I think I saw it at like seven and a half. They're a seven and a half point underdog on the road, But that could be. That could be an interesting setup if it gets close. Who do you trust in that series? Pick anybody out? Okay see SGA included or or the Joker later.
In that game being able to make a play the joker.
So I mean it's it's I don't know that there's a pick one because SGA has has done.
And we don't have any options. Pal. I get it, I get it, I get it.
But I just still think that the tail of the tape is still the fact that they're playing over forty minutes. You still haven't had one OKC player going to the forty minute range, and yet you continue to have multiple players for you know, Bron went over forty minutes obviously, Jokice he went over forty minutes. In Jamal Murray, I guess fighting his cold, he went over forty minutes. Well, well, Bron had thirty nine minutes, so he wasn't quite at forty minutes. Jokicge and Jamal Murray had forty minutes. I just look at that. I look at the fact that they are doing so much for this team, at the amount of minutes that they're doing. Like as an example, just to give you an idea, SGA only had thirty five minutes and that was the high.
Well, Jamal.
You know, the forward, Jamal Williams or jayaln excuse me, Jaylen Williams. He had thirty eight minutes. That was the most minutes. So I think the point I'm making is you have a rotation that is so it's so set up for them to have gas and a lot of it, you know, and it's you know, people may not think that, Okay, well, thirty eight minutes to forty one to forty two or forty three minutes in a game, that's not really a big difference, but it is. It does turn into a difference, and you can see the it's like there's fatigue that's setting in late in the games. And I think that that was probably the reason why Denver was letting the games get away from the thunder.
They just had more. They just had more at the end of the game.
I think it was such a gritty and a gutsy, you know, gutsy game by the Nuggets to be able to break that trend. But it still was nonetheless it was hitting in that direction. It still had that same feeling that Okac had more and the Nuggets weren't going to be able to maintain the level of play that they were able to do. They started out well, you know, won the first quarter, the second quarter, you know, okay, see answered, and then you say, okay, going into the third quarter, you wouldn't have expected Denver to be able to have as much success in the fourth quarter.
They would fizzle out. But they did it.
They were able to win the third quarter, and they were able to win the fourth quarter in this game. In the second half of this game, they won the second half.
And if I'm.
Okay, see, you've got to be very very nervous going into Game seven because they did it. And and it makes you wonder because they are the chance because they have the best player, you know, in in the country, in the world.
I guess we all the Celtics are the champs. I mean, you know, we're being fair.
Yeah, but there's still there's still champs too. I mean they're one year removed from it. I know the Celtics got it last year, but there's still the champs. They're the last ones to win it from the West. I'll say, you know, but yeah, I just I think, you know, this is one of those series where again I think the impact of it, the effect of it goes way further with Denver if they're able to advance. I think it works into Minnesota's for if Denver were to win, because I just don't know how much they're going to have left. I think the better matchup is Okay see if okay se comes out of it, but you're going to have a hard time put putting the chap to bit.
I mean, they they want to stay in it.
You can see the resilience of them in last night's game, and they forced the game seven. I just knew for certain Okase would find a way to send them home last night, and they weren't able to do it. Give credit to Denver, give credit to Jokid, give credit to to Murray Braun, Give credit to the.
Team for doing what they needed to do.
But you know, Lou Dort, he kind of disappeared last night. He didn't give them the type of boost that he has generally usually given them hitting threes and doing what he does.
It just half was sweet though, kind of like shut down everything in the crowd.
Yeah, it just wasn't you know, it wasn't enough.
It was starting to get away from Denver a little bit there, and then they closed out the first strong Dort hit that and then there's that three.
I was like, well, man, this may not work out, but it worked on then.
He needed to do more, or Jalen Williams, the smaller one, he needed to do more. I have looked at this this this series and it's funny because home Grin and Hartenstein have to me to Brady they have done is is dang.
First one was loud sorry about that guy?
That was that was like that was some serious That was a real top gun up top right there.
One.
I think those two guys had played their hearts out against Joki, which I think what what I take away from this series this year is how amazing Jokic is seeing the way that they're playing against him. I mean, and listen, we've seen teams really take a an aggressive manner in trying to to defend him. But I think Hartenstein and and and home Grin have done as good a job as any trying to really really combo cover him as well as just platoon against him. And you know you can add to the other Williams obviously into that, Jalen Williams into that scenario. He comes in as a big body that tries to physically impose himself the same way hart and Stein is physically and they basically have tried to use three dudes to wear Jokic down, which in general should work. It should work, and it hasn't. It hasn't. I mean his point totals went down. I mean it did go down last evening. He didn't score as much, but he's still effective in what it is that he's doing. So give him a ton of credit. Man, Give give the Denver Nuggets a ton of credit for being able to push the game seut.
You know, we've kind of alluded to this with all the high fives, but I do feel like this series, Brady and I are pretty well represented, you know, I got to be honest. I mean between Holme, Grin Hartenstein, Christian Brown, I mean like like there's like there's a lot to really wrap your arms.
Around here with this series. For us. Well, I'm happy for y'all.
I mean, y'all heard you've heard your boy stephen A talking about the.
Return of the White Boy. The return of the White Boy. Oh no, I mean it's.
Kind of been there for a while, right, We're gonna the number one overall pick what up?
It's just yeah, don't don't hate the game, hate the play.
I'm saying pick six and the Super Bowl.
Yeah, I have no hate for y'all. Man, I have no hate for y'all. You know I didn't. I didn't ask to land on Plymouth Rock. You know, Plymouth Rock landed on me, you know.
So it's kind of just what it is. Great point, all right, so up top it is. Uh.
It is important though to point out here that we.
Uh, there's one thing I think we're missing here.
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Throw the ball, football lord, right now, throw the ball.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks with you. Coming up and we'll call it about twenty minutes from now here. We are going to tell you a story about somebody who had a really good idea in the world of sports, and unfortunately they didn't get to execute it. We'll get into that for you again about twenty minutes from now so right when you think that everything's looking up in Chicago, there's optimism, there's hope. Forget about all the old stuff. This is the year. Ben Johnson's your coach, Caleb Williams your quarterback. Everything's good to go. Wickershamed Seth Wickersham of ESPN drops a bomb yesterday and there's a lot to it. So there's a book that's coming out in September titled American Kings, a Biography of the Quarterback, and it chronicles the journey of a bunch of players at both college and the NFL from the past as well, so quarterback from all different landscapes, and Caleb Williams is featured prominently in some of the excerpts that have made the rounds. Quotes from the book are his dad, Carl Williams, who went to great lengths to try and circumvent the NFL draft. He wanted to give his son an opportunity to choose his future employer because he was worried about the Bear's history of not really working well with quarterbacks.
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I don't want my son playing for the Bears. The Bears are where quarterbacks go to die. Carl Williams, his dad spoke with Archie Manning, who helped obviously Eli Manning get to New York and out of control of the San Diego Chargers. There was even a conversation about potentially going to the UFL so that he could become an unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty five to be able to pick a team. He wasn't happy with the rookie wage scale. And then the most interesting stuff of all this is that he thought, well, maybe I'll just blame last the organization like John Elway did in eighty three to the Baltimore Colts, and just go public with it like the Lways did back then. And then Caleb Williams was at the Combine and all of a sudden realized, hey, man, I get along great with Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach. That's where I want to be. His dad was on board. They hit it off, but Ryan Pulls the GM for the Bears, told him we're drafting you either way. So Caleb was concerned that if he did try to bury the organization that he didn't want to nuke the city. So he wasn't ready for all that, and so at a pre draft visit with in the Bears facility, Williams believed he could be part of the process to turn the franchise around. I can do it for this team. I'm going to go to the Bears. And then he went on to discuss the in season struggles with the eber Flus and Shane Waldron the OC and not really having any direction when it came to prepping and looking at film and all that stuff. So moral of the story is interesting time in considering Seth Wickersham writs for ESPN and Seth Wickersham points out that Caleb Williams wanted to be a part of the Vikings organization who the Bears just happened to be playing on ESPN on Monday Night Football Week one of the upcoming season. So take it away. There's the unpiling of the drama in Chicago now between Kayleb Williams and the organization.
Again, I think we kind of forget pretty soon after what happens. And then the speculation and conversation is around the draft every single year, right like the next one comes along, We're like, oh, yeah, okay, we'll focus on this one now. If you go back, though, there was a lot of smoke in regards to the frustration of Caleb Williams and his party on his side of things with the entire draft process. That was the speculation. Now we have confirmation that all that was true, and I got to be honest, like, I'm not sure that I'm overly bothered by it. For this reason, I never hate the fact when players or even their families try to push the envelope of what's possible to give themselves the best opportunity possible.
All Right.
I know people made comments about you know, Prime and Shador.
Sanders and what they were maybe trying to do.
This year in the draft, which I think they're two you know, different in regards to the talent of both players. But in Caleb William's you know aspect, like he kind of sought out everything you possibly could, you know, seek out. At that point, he looked at going to the UFL, which would have been pretty crazy to think about. However, we've seen quarterbacks in the past do that. Granted it would be decades ago. You know, they talked about the rookie wage scale. There's a lot of people who've got issues with it. We've talked about this before. Fundamentally, a team can basically draft a player and have complete control of them for seven years of their career, seven years without the player's input. Outside of having to sign a franchise tag a four year deal plus a fifth year option. Two tags, that's seven years you could be damn near thirty and never having the chance to really test free agent waters. So there's a lot of issues I think from the player's side as to you know, what could be potentially wrong when you enter into the NFL.
Now, the hard part is he's now been here. Here.
The fan base, I think, I think and Jonas you could speak to this better than anyone else. I think they like Caleb Williams. I think they wanted to be their quarterback. They feel like he can be their franchise quarterback. You know, despite all the chaos the one on last year in Chicago. But this isn't a ringing endorsement. I mean, even though at the end of the day he came around on the Chicago Bears, there's still probably a lot of speculation that when it comes time for him to try to sign an extension and if things go well, you do wonder will he be a guy that stays around, tries to get out tries to look for the first opportunity to go to another team. It feels like him his father probably involved to would try to make that sort of move. That's how and by the way, that's how you operate in college. Folks like you should be surprised by it if you're a Bears fan. He left Oklahoma where he had a nice setup to go to Southern cal. You could say he's falling Lincoln Riley, but it was also to go to Southern cal to go to greater pastors for him and want a heisman out of it, So you got to give him credit. But at the end of the day, that's what it's going to be about for him. It's trying to find where he feels like it's the best possible situation for him to succeed, not the team for him to succeed.
And by the way, Bears fans can outwardly be upset or frustrated about these comments and be hurt, guess what he's right, and based on how last year went, they were probably right and having some concerns about what the direction of the organization was going to be. So be upset about it all you want, but the proof is there there's been a history of not being able to build around the quarterback and not finding the right guy, and last year only prove them more right. So they can get pissy about it all they want. Facts are facts. Q.
If you and your family, with twenty twenty hindsight as a benefit, had the opportunity to say we're not going to the Browns, would you have rather had the opportunity to go to a franchise that knows how to utilize what you do best so that you could go figure right. I know this takes a brainiac and the genie used to to come up with this conclusion. But someone who is going to actually put you in the best position to have success and you had that play out versus being called a bus so here.
So here's the hard part about answering this question is I think in general, had it been any other team other than Cleveland, I would have said, you know, yeah, of course, like I want to go to the best possible situation.
I rot I grew up a Browns fan. It was literally on site.
That's still the reality of being a pro versus being a fan that team.
That's the only exception. Cleveland was the only exception.
Even to this, Well, that's fair even to this state if right, if you would have put any other organization like that drafted me that didn't have that like Bernie Coezar Jersey picture. I grew up as a kid going to games as a kid rooting for the Browns, like being so frustrated up set when they got taken away and they go to Baltimore and then you can to ship for it without a doubt.
I would never have take again.
Look, So so that's that's the difference, because it was a childhood dream come true.
But if you're talking.
About any any other team that you would have said, you know, for example, now, again, Chicago might have been different to me because I got, you know, close to that just seeing that team being in South End and you kind of had to respect for all the Chicago fans, the South End fans and all that. So I don't know that. And here's what I'll say on this. I just I didn't have that perspective, and right wrong or indifferent. My family really didn't either, Like we were pretty naive to all of it.
You know, I had I was very fortunate.
I had a couple of uncles who very savvy in the business world, and they helped me through a lot of the decisions on you know, finding an agent, interviewing agents it would be best set for me, you know, and investment advice like all those things. And they might have had the ability to see into the future and say, well, you know, maybe this isn't the best place to go because of the organization. But there was never any pushing or pulling by my mom or my dad because they were just grateful. They always were. They were grateful for the to the University of Notre Dame, they were grateful to the Browns. They were always just grateful. And that was just how our background was like. It wasn't one of like, well, what can you do for me? What can you do for my son? You're not doing enough for my It was never that they and that was how I was raised. So I didn't really look for that either. And maybe that was my own naivete, maybe that was my own ignorance or maybe even theirs, which I don't I don't know how.
You know what your parents very rare they have experience.
This is not it's not a right or wrong answer, but at the end of the day, my answer would be I rather have people hate me for being a hole in the initial based off of the potential what I could be versus the ladder where I went. You know, I could have gone number one, I could have I purposely priced myself out to the Cleveland Browns, ironically, maybe coincidentally, the same franchise i'd priced myself.
So so let me ask you this because because because obviously the Browns were never a team you you probably hated and grew up in Pittsburgh.
I didn't hate them, No, I didn't hate.
Them, Okay, but you didn't like them.
But if you could have went if it was the Pittsburgh Steeles, if it was the Pittsburg Steelers.
But see the problem is is the Pittsburgh Steelers have always been a pretty successful organization.
That would be the problem.
If if if they hadn't played in a super Bowl or had been.
Let me put it this way. Let me put it this way.
If you if you had the opportunity to go there, but the contract wasn't gonna be perfect, you couldn't price yourself out, you know what I'm saying, Like you you were gonna have to maybe, Okay, that's probably better.
I wouldn't have most likely if I had the opportunity, which kind of goes down the lane, because I think we were probably raised probably probably pretty much very similar in ideologies and and foundational components. We would have been over the moon excited to go to Pittsburgh and whatever that would have been, it would have been whatever it is, and I would have went there and I would have had a Hall of Fame career. I truly believe that I would have been one hundred plus sas guy. I would have had stability as a pro. I would have been in the locker room with guys like Joey Porter and James Ferrier and and who's my guy from from Michigan that would Foot Larry Foot.
I would have been with guys like uh.
Uh that he's a little older, so he would have been he would have been. I mean, but Kevin Green was a very very large influence on me. Kevin Green and Greg Greg Lloyd is my favorite player of all time. Levon Kirkland, Chad Brown. You know, I used to work out with them at Bally's and when I was in high school, I would have I would have given up anything to be able to play for for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So like I said, I get your point, but had my my hometown team stunk and didn't you know, break my heart in the Super Bowl playing against Dallas, or you know seeing Bill cowerd get his Super Bowl Bill Cower that I mean, it was the highlight of my of my combine was going in and interviewing with the Steelers, and I told him I was like, man eight, and they're like, I know and this, that and the other, and there's no reason to move up for a linebacker. If you were the Steelers, I would have went to the Steelers in a heartbeat. But with that being said, it was because it was based upon what I had grown up knowing. And I went to school on the same street that that Art Rooney, the Senior, the original you know, had a house on, you know and the Mexican War streets. And then there was another one another area where Franco lived that.
Was right near where I went to school as well.
I was indoctrinated into the culture, not only indirectly, but directly.
I saw these people. I met these people.
The white white lived in the same community that I lived in, so I saw him quite a bit, and he became a mentor and a role model to me. But I think the point that I'm making is is I would much rather be called an a hole and an unreasonable up front with having a Hall of Fame or a Pro Bowl, All Pro career, Latin career of longevity in success, versus being called a bust. I get called a bus. Think about it. I know you get called a bus. We both get called bus. And I made three Pro Bowls and I am in All Pro three times and still get called a bus. And you know what, by all intentsive purposes, by the letter of the law of what my potential was, if I had gone to a different organization and played for a different organization, my career was a buss.
Oh it was stop.
I hate it.
I hate this, bro. Let's be clear here, Let's be clear, like put this into proper There is not You can't name another football player. You can't name one that achieved what I achieved in terms of what I was able to do coming out of high school and college. You can't name them. I was the number one player coming out of high school, Jonas. I won every award. The equivalent of the college Heisman is an award called the Bobby Dodd Award. I won the award, I won every award you can win. In high school, I was the highest rated player coming out. Imagine that, the highest rated player coming out of high school.
I was the Parade Player of the Year coming out of high school.
And then I go to college and I'm able to parlay that into one of the more dominant, dominant deals in college and end up being the number one rated player coming out in college and one awards beyond. You know, won every award you can win as a defender, was in the top ten and votes for the Heisman. So in the end, all I'm saying is is that for what it's worth, all that success, it's a blessing and it's a curse because it can lead to you not having that opportunity to actually go to an organization in the draft where you can have success.
But I would say this in both your defenses. When you get to the NFL, you turn your careers over to the franchise you're with, the people you're around, and to fate. Brady got drafted to a terrible situation and you're and your achilles jumped off off the bone at twenty sevens who like you can't.
We never won. We never won it in Washington.
Yeah, but there's a lot of people who never won. Like Eric Dickerson was a Hall of Famer, and he'll say it, man, I'm I'm I would rather be a Hall of Famer than win a Super Bowl.
Sorry.
Like so I look at it, I go Once you get there, you hand your fate over to people around you, and you hand your body to the gods, and they determine what happens after that.
In a large it's not a complaint. It's not a complain.
To answer your question that again, and I will reiterate this, I would do it over again and have this shot at trying to turn around and be a solution in Cleveland than not.
That's how I love that, And maybe that's maybe.
That's how I you know, and and and have peace with it to some degree because that was the opportunity I was giving. It didn't work out. It was heartbreaking, still is to this day. But it's also why I think it's motivated me to find that next thing, you know, whether that's in broadcasting or whatever else, like that still lives with you. And that's one of the things we're I've been together and that's top, Brady, that's whatever up top.
Yeah, up top, Brady.
It brought us together, though, y us being in the same fricking situation brought us together.
So here we are.
I want to be a Hall of Fame radio personality and I'm gonna get it for some WeGo.
I'll get you there.
Thank you, sir. By the way it is, that's why you're on the show.
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In case you missed this, talk about thinking outside the box.
Jason Lloyd of The Athletic revealed Wednesday that Dan Gilbert actually spent five hundred thousand dollars on fake snow machines to put in the ceilings of Rocket Arena in Cleveland. The machines were meant to douse the seating area in confetti when the Calves went on a huge offensive run which came to be dubbed the Cavalanche during the regular season. Problem with that is they only got to use it in Game two of the first round of the Eastern Conference Finals. Are essentially getting eliminated.
Right, well, hold on for a second. Can we use this in the future, like this will be all next year?
Right? What's row on that? What's wrong with the cav What's.
Wrong with that?
Then, Gerbi, because the Calves struggling the playoffs, I.
Think that's a great idea, premature or on that investment.
They've got it.
Now, they got the Cavalanche the next year. It's something to look forward to.
Granted it does look pretty cool, but yeah, we gotta wait, we gotta wait.
See is it his false? Is his false? Max Strus was like, oh, for one hundred in the final game of the year.
It looked like a party at a club Miami. You know, the same thing.
Yeah, listen, stiff fun.
And they bring the bottles out. Yeah,
