2 Pros and a Cup of JoeIt’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, but the guys are looking forward to the Final Four. The Giants are convinced Cam Ward is going 1st and Shedeur Sanders 2nd, so where are they going at No.3? And NFL Insider Albert Breer helps preview the Draft.
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How did how did things finish up with the course there, Quinn?
Did you they did finished up? Not really?
I mean we shot a better score than we did the day before. I thought we had a shot. I think we when we finished we were like in second or tied for second, something like that, and then a group came in that was like five shots better. And look, I'm not one all right to challenge something, but Warren SAPs group somehow shot in minus twenty four and in those conditions seems rather improbable, That's.
All I'm saying. So you're calling foul play.
Well, when you're in these sort of events, sometimes there's a thing called getting pencil whipped, and there might have been a little bit of that going on.
And that means they're just writing an in correct scores.
They're not rutting an incorrect scores. They're running in scores to make sure that they win. Although that being said, we had a guy who was so how it works is obviously you you know, you play the best ball off of the tee from your group and then you play your own individual ball from there. Well, one gentleman was getting a stroke every hole, meaning you know, if if he shot a five, he gets a four. Right, he had a pretty high handicap. Well rative goosen almost hit a hole in one on one hole. It was like literally an inch away from going in. So we all get to use that shot. Well in his case, since he's getting a stroke, it would be technically a second shot, but it would really be a two for one. That happened three times during the course of the round. So on the scorecard it looked like we had three ones, like three hole in ones, even though wasn't the case, but still.
Wasn't good enough. Still wasn't good enough. It still wasn't good enough.
Better enough, I know, that's for sure.
That is uh for yourself man talking about man, I own those greens, own them.
I thought we were in this together.
Okay, you're right better than both of us. Oh my bad.
That's fine. But he just want to see me on a mini put course. I'll tell you that right now.
You see I drink, I walk around with you guys on the putt putt course, you know with a long island, the LeVar Island, by the.
Way, more a bit, and I would like to do, for the record, more of a putt putt mini putt guy than I am. What's the what's the driving range spot? Top golf. I'm more of a mini golf guy than I am a top golf guy.
I need, I need to like top golf. Top golf is fun, mane I need not just not when I go to Vegas, though, you know, there's many more things for me to do rather than thank you golf in Vegas.
You know, I'm glad you've recognized that I would. I would think the same thing. Like if I'm going to Vegas, that probably wouldn't rank is high on my.
List of things that I'm going to do see while in Vegas.
See, I wouldn't know because I haven't been to top golf.
So why did you do You've never been.
I've never been. Oh wow, you've never been to the top golf. Because nobody wants to go with me. They want to go gamble. I've already done everything in Vegas. I want to go top golf.
Yeah, but isn't there a top golf and else.
There's a top there's a top golf thing where you live?
Yeah, it had only opened like a year ago. But yes, you're right, but nobody.
Else that's one hundred percent of lie Lee. That Top Golf has been there for like four years.
It opened while we were doing this show.
No, no, let me look into this. Which one the.
One in Elsa Gunda, the Top Golf Sogunda. Yeah, so I still haven't been so I don't know. Maybe it is not as good for Vegas, but I can't.
I can't one right there to airport.
Yeah, I haven't been there.
Yeah, that's been there for a little while. Man, I remember twenty two.
Yeah, I remember doing the story while we were on here.
Yeah, actually April eleven two and else again.
Yeah, almost exactly three years that one, almost exactly three years to the day.
Yeah a year ago.
Hey man, time flies when you're at It's not bad.
I mean if you said a year and a half ago, that's only that's like halfway, you know, I mean, it wasn't that long ago. I'm with you.
Somebody get that please, Oh.
Somebody get that pick that up please. Somebody was calling to talk about how good our show is.
Is that the hotline? And I'm assuming the uh oh for Batman? Uh the Castle over here. Sherman Oaks is still open. So you got options.
Lee.
You can go Mini Putt, or you could go Elseigundo and you can go to Top Golf.
You can go sevens right down. That's right down the street, and let me take street. The thing I challenged time. Here's the other thing I challenge with Lee in Vegas. Lee, you haven't done everything in Vegas. There's no chance to get everything. He did say gambling. He did say gambling. Yeah, yeah, but you definitely have not even touched the surface. If you're saying just gambling.
Well, I definitely haven't done everything in Vegas because I haven't gone to Top Golf. So that's all.
That was my point. But oh, okay, well there you go. You're right, you're right a lot of shows.
Well, when you guys are back in town, hey, Var, you and I let's go Top Golf.
Obviously right down the street.
You're right down, That's what I'm saying. And Jonas you're you got the open invite. I know you're not gonna go.
Okay, then we can go to grunions after you know, you had treated like cheer as baby.
I'm just still trying to figure out how you guys had some little ig live chat like you guys were playing you know, Tiddley Wings on ig live and then afterwards like, oh yeah, we tried to bring you guys in, but uh, but no.
We didn't try for for Q. I would not assume that if I tried to randomly get Q on ig live that it would work. So I didn't go for Q. But I did hit you up. I did hit you and you you know, I thought that you would do what you did, but there was like maybe like ah, maybe he might answer, you know, and you did it.
What's the point of ig live.
You can just like be a voyeur and we were just talking. Oh, we were just talking.
You just do like do a FaceTime then, is because the people wanted to because the people wanted to join in.
Yeah they actually yeah, yeah, if people want to ask questions and stuff like that. But you know that I was on there and I was like randomly hitting people up and they were like, hit lead to lap up. I was like, all right, hit leap answered, and what was he doing? It was Wednesday, he was not drinking. He was like it was working.
But I don't What I don't get is is it seems like you've got this this cult following or this this following here, yet they wouldn't support you enough to get the podcast off the ground.
Well, that was a little behind the scenes, you know, under the radar, not unless you were in the know. But I think I think I was. I always Sam kind of blew that that one up.
Yeah, that was in Iowa Sam production to where Bill was.
That really going to take off? Oh you have?
I think I think so?
Yeah, I think actually great, Iowa Sam.
I think I think the problem is depending on when you would actually release it, the drunk listeners that would be looking to follow you on it, they might not be paying attention to that course.
Yeah, I think it was a once a week podcast. Yeah, catch it when you will.
The problem is with Iowa Sam, he's one of those people to where you make plans, you assume you're all on the same page, and then as the event gets closer, he's got more questions and everything's got to be got to be exactly the way it needs to be because any curveballs, he'll go into convulsions. He can't handle it. And so it's borderline a little bit O c D, but a little bit I've got to be in the know on every single details opposed to just hey man, we'll just figure it out. He's not one of those guys at all.
It would have been tough to get him and Taught on the same page long term. They're very different people. Yeah, but we always have a great time.
Well, I do know this. It is a final four weekend. We've got all chok all one seeds in the Final four, so I know we didn't get all the major blockbuster upsets early on in the tournament, but we do have our chock Final four, which means the best teams are all still remaining in the NCAA tournament. But we know what people come for on this show. They'd like an update as to where we stand and who will be impacted by results this weekend. In the Final four on our Fox Sports Radio Bracket Challenge, she'll lead to lap with this awful song in the background that we are force fed every single NCAA tournament. This song sucks out loud.
This one is really good too. Luther really does a great job on this. Can you sing this one in the bar? I don't know, I don't really remember the worst. Oh my god, there you you're running for your life. You're a shooting star, all right, you had it going. Yeah, I don't know the words. I like when LeVar sings, but now we show sun shining moment. Oh my god. Yeah, I don't know. I can't keep up with Luther. It's all good. It's a good song though. It like makes you feel emotions at the end of the tournament, like, come on, man, Like there are such a large range of emotions during the March Madness tournament and you get to see those montages of emotions and feelings and big moments in the tournament.
Yeah, it's a good song, man, I got your montage right here. The second the second the confetti starts falling and Jim Nance says his goodbyes. I'm out of there, see you. We're onto bigger and better things college basketballs.
Back to your coffin.
Back back to the coffin, close the lid, Sun all right, and speak to me in English please, and then we are off to focus on the draft. I said it in glaz glazing. I'm on to speak English, all right. So Lee, where do we stand?
Well, as we know, Brady is in the lead of our of our crew, he's fourth in the old time all time leader board, the VIP group, the all time, the old timers all time. Wow, yeah, the old timers. Doug Doug Gottlieb holds the number one position along with Alex Curry and second and Bernie Fratto in third, followed just behind by Barry Brady at one hundred and two points. You gotta scroll aways down here, Jonas, but you're there with eighty three points at sixteenth place, right there with Colin Coward and Andy Firman.
Oh, a couple of goats hanging out with goats.
And then oh the way down here next to Dan Patrick, we got LeVar holding the rear.
Somebody's got to have y'all's back. And then I'm the protector.
And then you know, Florida wins it all, then I think I might jump to the lead here.
So just so you know, all right, So what are the possibilities that Brady can still win this? Because somebody's got to represent us in the top.
You can't win it because they have the same pick.
Right, Yeah, Bernie also has the same pick as as Brady, so it's it's pretty much impossible. But I think Brady does have the luck on fourth place.
Yeah, I'm a man.
Well, that's right, that's the floor.
I think the question is like, could I get any higher than second?
Right? Is that what you're saying?
That is correct? That is what I'm saying. You can't get first because there's two other people in front of you that have Duke.
You have Duke, right, but what were their final four matchups or the finals matchup?
So Bernie's in third place, has Duke beating Michigan State. He also has Houston in the final four, so good job there, Bernie.
All against State didn't make it though, Auburn beat them.
No, no, but he's got Houston in the final four, right, okay, all right, so h Brady's yours and it's it's tough because I couldn't print out today. Sorry. All right, here's Doug. Doug also has Duke over Florida and Houston and Auburn, so his fu whole final four is set. He's good to go. And same thing with Alex Curry. All chock, you know the.
Real victim is here, all right?
Well, the weird thing is like I think I have Auburn, Florida and Duke in it, and yet Bernie is still ahead of me.
Yeah, because it's because he has Houston and you had Kentucky.
Yeah, so there's our loophole.
Right, four, how many final four teams does he have? Three? Or four?
Yea, yes?
Okay? Well, which was it.
Was Michigan State, and so does Alex Curry. El says Michigan State.
Right, But like I had Auburn coming out of that, Michigan State is not in it. So it's just weird how the points were worked out that way.
The real victim here is me. Let me tell you why. I've had a sound I've had a sound strategy for years. And my strategy is I take Duke every year. I'm not one of these Johnny cum Lately's who all of a sudden, Duke gets good this year and it's like, oh, we'll jump on the Duke bandwagon, like everybody else is sitting there in the top ten. I pick them every year. I should be rewarded any tiebreaker in the final for whatever break. Okay, But but I think we should pull a few strings here based on my dedication and my consistency to the same page.
So you're saying to throw everything out the window. If Duke wins, not not it should be a tie breaker. Yeah, listen, in the words of a you're not even in the top ten.
In the words of the in laws, everybody's got to be out because I get the.
Go ahead, Brady.
No, I was just gonna say, speaking last night, there was a little boy sitting behind me and the parents they just let them stand out there in the row while we're basically landing, and the flight attendant was going berserk on this family to grab their child and put them in their seat.
But apparently there's a language barrier. So once once we got down.
On the ground and I could actually thinks quieted down, I was like, oh, I see what happened there. Yeah, they don't speak any English whatsoever, not any at all.
So apparently apparently common sense doesn't count. I guess no, no, because common sense really doesn't know a language, you know. It's just common upon upon people who have sense, you know. But they say common sense isn't common.
So leave them out there long enough, you'll fly Audios airlines.
That's the way that works.
Where did it go? Some of some of these landings are getting a little rough these days. Well, listen, hopefully we can find enough loopholes or maybe do an investigation as to why the scoring went the way it went. But because I feel like there's a way we can get into the top three. Like can't you like crack the code and get in there and like take teams out of the bracket challenge It make some like change some picks to where we can jump towards the top.
Yeah, me and Scott Shapiro, we're talking about this. There's maybe a little grimlin in the system that we could throw in there to make it something happen. Maybe somebody falls out there.
A pencil spank it.
Yeah, right here, But remember this, Jonas. If Auburn does win, you do win the most Important hat draw Challenge. Oh really Yeah, I'm going for Florida. Brady's going for Duke in Houston.
Oh and I'm not even a Bruce Pear. Like Bruce Pearl was a flake, So I'm not even like a big Bruce Pearl guy. Guy's a flake. I was. I tried to get him on as a guest when I was working with Yeah, he seems like a great guy, he committed. I talked to his sid they were he was supposed to come on as a guest when I was producing this morning show for Andy Furman and Mike North, and I like scheduled planned, here's the time, here's when you call in. And I'm waiting for the call, waiting for the call. Then I reach out, can't find him. And then I look up at the TV and he was on ESPN and it already booked. And then the s ID is apologizing, and I just said, f this man, this is ridiculous. It was right after he took the Auburn job, I believe, so, No.
That was on Maybe that was on the SID and not Bruce pearl.
One and the same. No, it's really not it is to me. Dang, I'm the can man. Anybody can get it.
Dang. Oh, that dude is in trouble right now. You see what he got going. They can get it more. You know who's in trouble. Who's the boxer that said? Adrian Adrian Broner trouble. You ain't see what he had going on? High sakes poker or high steaks dice, High steaks dice and.
He fixed the dice and they had any and.
Got six million out of the NBA players.
Yeah, this guy brought in some NBA players to play dice games and he fixed the dice and they lost six million.
Dollars six million dollars and apparently, apparently apparently the gangs of la were like, yeah, but you ain't check in before you did this event, so you got to get that money back because you ain't doing what you needed to do or whatever. You ain't robbed him the right way or something. Some wow s. But he's he's like he's in trouble. Like the law, the law got him. The law is involved with this one. They got him.
Remember when Adrian Brunner a post fight, he like his girlfriend was there.
He like he was going proposed and he gets.
Down on a knee and he goes, would you please? And she goes, oh my god, would you brush my hair?
Everybody stopped to everybody was stopping and wake to see what he was going. They just knew he was going to propose. The man asked her to brush his hair.
But he's an Ohio guy. You know, it makes sense.
He is an Ohio guy. All right.
So also more news here that we've got to pass along here on the show. It's a football Friday.
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All right, so you know what they say that the like, if you know who's gonna be, if it's a foregone conclusion, Hey, you know who's going number one in the draft. You know who's going number two in the draft. You know, like it says, when does the draft start? For you guys, when does the draft start? Cam Ward's going one, number two? Yeah, Okay, So it still is open to the potential, even though the feeling is well, it's going to be Abdual Carter too, is it well. I mean, if you believe DraftKings, if you believe the betting odds, it's been heavily favoring Abdul's.
Early though I know it's early and those have been wrong this early. And I'm not saying that Abdul Carter doesn't deserve to be that, you know, taking that slot, and that wouldn't make a lot of sense.
But we don't know.
The reality is, we don't know what Cleveland's going to do. Their cap situation is a mess. It sounds like from all reports that they would like to trade for Cousins, but again, taking on his cap hit ain't gonna happen, and They've got and Atlanta's got to figure out a way of dealing with I don't want to call it a mistake with what they did last year, but I'm not sure in the front office how you justify that to your owner, Arthur Blank. You know, when you signed Kirk Cousins to in essence, really a two year deal, because it was two years of fully you know, guaranteed in that full guarantees in that contract, you thought you were committing to him for that, and then once you.
Drove Penix in the top ten. It's like, well, this never works. You know, usually if you.
Take a guy in the top ten like that, you're gonna play him. At least that's what history has told us, and that's how it ended up playing out. So now they find themselves with a quarterback who's that really expensive backup or it called an insurance.
Policy if Penix gets hurt, But.
They can't even move on from him because the way they structured it, and the cap hit a team like the Browns would take. So we keep going back to and then this isn't like against Rahiem Morris, but all parties involved in Atlanta who persuaded Arthur Blank away from Bill Belichick.
I don't think Bill Belichick.
Would have made the moves that Atlanta made last offseason, and they probably would be in a much different position right now. I'm not sure. You know, look, you could say they, oh, they might be worse, while I don't. I don't know, I don't, I don't know, probably not. It's not like you go back and look at last year Atlanta and go, oh, yeah, that's.
You know, really can't.
It's just it wasn't like they built really much of a foundation off anything. But we heading this off seas like you still have questions about them, Like, does anyone have a good feel for what Atlanta's going to be this year?
No, I would assume better rather than worse, though, I'd assume that they're most likely going to contend for the how Division? But why why are.
They going to be better than the Saints if Derek Carr is there and healthy and Kelvin Morris who's got more offensive prowess?
Yes, like Tampa who who won it last year? Don't about I do not know. I mean, Carolina is.
The only team I think it's it's fair to say they would be better.
Then it's Carolina, and that might improve. They started to improve a little bit. They showed some signs of improvement towards the season.
But I bet if we looked at the odds right now for that division, Carolina be last, Tampa's probably first, and you probably have a close tie or whatever between Atlanta and you know, looking at the rest of it, like I just I look at it and go, they've put themselves in this position now, and it leads me to think, like the Browns probably would rather have k Kirk Cousins at this point. I think based on how things went. He's a fit for Stefanski. There's a past there.
But did you see the Arthur blank comments about Kirk Cousins. So he was talking this week and The Athletic reported on it. He said, quote, one of the things you learn as you live life is there's no point in living in the past. Obviously, at the time we made a commitment to Kirk, and Kirk did to us, circumstances were extraordinarily different than they are today. Not his fault, not our fault. Sometimes life doesn't develop the way you wanted to develop. Then he went on to say, quote, we've already paid him. I've never been a risk averse type of person. I think the plan to sign Cousins and draft Pennix was an excellent plan from our standpoint and from Kirk's standpoint. He made a wise financial investment. So he's basically just saying, listen, tough balls, man, you made a bunch of money, all right. So the things could be worse, and they're just gonna hold on to him until they get a deal that they think makes sense to them. So I don't know if it's twitching.
Hostage, but all that is draft conversation. Yeah. I mean, here's what's going to happen.
It's gonna be the Falcons paying for a substantial portion of Cousins contract.
Or whatever is left on it.
However, they work that out, and the Brown's giving up a high draft pick for him. So it's it's going to look like on paper like, oh, the Brown's give up a second round pick or you know whatever, it is, a third and a sixth for Kirk Cousins. But really they're buying those draft picks. I mean, yes, Kirk Cousins comes along with that. He would start play well in a system for them. But there's that's also the other portion to all this, and that's like what the NFL hates, like letting it, you know, become public, because they don't want it to be perceived that teams are able to buy draft picks, like there's not a price stag on him, even though we've seen examples of that in the past.
You know, I wonder, because the quarterbacks conversation is such a large one for Cleveland, why hasn't there been more talk about possibly taking Shador at two? Why not? I mean, if you think about it, you're strapped with Deshaun Watson. He may return this season. Who knows at what point in time he does return, And if he does, do you even want to play him? Like I mean, now hearing the owner say that that was a miss, you know, with Deshaun Watson, it almost is again, I feel like they freed Stefanski and this team from the bondage of Deshaun Watson. And so now if you're moving on, I could look at Kirk Cousins, but how much of how much of a solution is Kirk Cousins for us long term? That would be my biggest concern right now because of I guess the way it kind of ended for him in Atlanta. So if I had the number two overall pick, why wouldn't I entertain knowing that Shador Sanders is going to be there. I don't know why that's not more of a conversation because in fact, we're looking at the New York Giants. That's a team that needs a quarterback. We're looking at the New Orleans Saints, but really the New Orleans Saints I have a quarterback, So I don't know that that's quite a need for them, a necessity in the draft. And then you look at the you know, the Raiders. They brought in Geno and they just gave him a nice deal. But it does say that that's probably a bridge, a bridge contract for him to get to another quarterback by time for another quarterback to develop. If I'm sitting there and I know that there's a strong possibility that Shador Sanders could end up going six to the Las Vegas Raiders because they feel like he can be the quarterback of the future for them, why would I not seriously, and I mean seriously, kick the tires around on taking him at number two. You don't have to pay iman. He's gonna be on a rookie contract. It gives you time to figure out what you're gonna do with Deshaun Watson. While you're figuring out what you're gonna do or developing and creating what you're going to create with, you know, with Shador Sanders, I feel like that makes sense if you really look at it.
So there was an article written on Fox Sports. Ralph Fauchiano said that the Giants are convinced that Warden Sanders are going to go one and two and that they're going to miss out on both, and that was part Again, this could all be a load of garbage, like somebody fed him that, you know, not to dismiss his reporting, but somebody could have fed him that, and it could be from the Giants standpoint. But at least he feels like there's a real possibility, which goes back to the original question where does the draft start? It does like Cleveland is like there's a lot of options there for Cleveland if cam Ward's gone, Like you could go quarterback, you could go who's the best player between Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter. And then the Giants are kind of sitting there at three, you know, left holding whatever's left over from Cleveland.
So it feels like they're you know, it definitely starts at too, because I don't I don't think there's a foregone conclusion as to who's gonna go at number two? And does does Cleveland If Cleveland is going to trade for for Kirk Cousins, do they try to get more draft value? Do they trade out of the pick. Maybe there is a team that wants Shador Sanders really badly and is willing to give up, you know, give something up of tremendous value to the Cleveland Browns. And they trade out of it and get Kirk Cousins and still get the player that they may want in the draft. I mean, it's possible it could play out that way.
Yeah, I just if I'm Kevin Stefanski, I'll take my chances with Kirk Cousins and I hope that we pull the trigger on that as opposed to trying to go with a rookie. Because if the Brown struggle this year, Stefanski's done.
I don't know. I don't know that that's true.
I think he's gone if they struggle this.
Year, I do not know that that's true. And I think again I'll double down on saying the owner coming out and taking the somewhat of the blame at least including himself in the blame of what they did with Deshaun Watson. It totally ruined the chemistry of that team. It took him off balance. You have this amazing roster of players, and there was one element that kept coming up short and really tore this team apart from the seams, and it was who they brought in as quarterback. The best decision they would have made is keeping that roster together the way it was with Baker Mayfield as the quarterback, and I think they know that Stefanski was winning coach of the Year during that time. You're not you don't just go away from him because of a decision that the organization made that derailed what it was that he was doing culturally. So to me, I don't think that he goes on. He would have to have a meltdown of a season. They would have to really really stink, really really bad with no return in my estimation, if if Stefanski were to be let go after this season, if it wasn't a winning year so to speak.
I mean, I think it's pretty disrespectful that you guys are just dismissing Deshaun Watson's ability to come back and be the player he was in Houston for.
I did, I did say he could come back this season. How much? How how substantial of time will it be when he gets back? I don't know. Will they throwing right back in when he's ready to come back? I guess that would would I would imagine how was the season going for Cleveland at that point in time. So you know, there's a lot of ifs there, There's a lot of factors there, and quite frankly, the matter of who is the quarterback this year? Is it going to be Picket? Is it going to be a draft pick? Is it going to be a free agent? You know, I don't think anybody has an idea of what Cleveland is going to do outside of us what we're discussing. Is it Kirk Cousins? Is it a draft pick?
So, like, theoretically you think they're actually gonna play him?
After Jimmy Hassem said what he said, it feels like they're.
Already planning on moving on. I feel like they've already moved on. I feel like they've already moved on. I agree with you, but I mean, but if he if the man gets back in shape and is well enough to play, you can't trade him. Nobody's going to trade for him. So so okay, so then that should just release him?
Now okay, So but are you at least gonna give him a fighting.
Well once he's healthy, Once he's healthy, are.
You gonna give him a fighting chance and let him rehab the way he wants to rehab. Because if you're not gonna allow him that, then you know, I think you're just setting yourself up for failure and it's disgusting that you guys won't give him an opportunity. You got to be ashamed of yourself, you you guys. So if you've got so, Theoretically, Cleveland has a choice here. They can either take should or Sanders at two or a quarterback at two, or they can have let's say, Abdul Carter and Kirk Cousins.
Okay, I'll take my combination. Sounds better.
Yeah, I'll take my chances with best player available and a veteran quarterback who's had success with Kevin Stefanski.
But you don't necessarily need an edge. So if you're gonna if you're gonna spend it on on a second on your second pick, if you're going to spend it on a game changing player, and you don't necessarily need an edge, which you don't. I mean, obviously you can never have too many guys that can rush your quarterback, but you don't necessarily you already have a cornerstone player. You don't necessarily need too So now that has to be if you're not looking at it from the aspect of Okay, take a quarterback with the number two pick. Then now you got to open up the conversation to Travis Hunter, because they could use help on the back end of their defense. And if you have a guy that's planning on going both ways in the pro level and they feel confident about that, now you're getting one of the most dynamic players in the draft, if not the most dynamic player in the draft, and you bring a level of excitement that could in a lot of ways, Travis Hunter would be the one pick that would overshadow the gloom that has come from what took place with Deshaun Watson. I don't think there's another player. I think that you get excited with abdual Carter because of the potential and the possibilities of what he and Miles Garrett bring to the table. But if you want to bring in a player that transcends, that has the personality that is really really polarizing and hot, and the media and people are talking a lot about them, there's two players. One far and away is Travis Hunter. Second one is Shador Sanders. And maybe it's because they're both at Colorado, but and and everything that has been around the headlines surrounding them, But Travis Hunter, to me is I can't miss prospect coming into the NFL. So if you're going to go that direction with Kirk Cousins as the quarterback, why not think about taking Travis Hunter at too? Why not?
What do you think makes sense to me? What would Howie Roseman do? I think he would take Abdul Carter?
Well, he's going to go up front, Howie Roseman is if you have an elite guy up front, whether it's offense or defense, he's going to go with the guy up front. One.
That should just be your fallback plan. Hey, we can't make up our mind. What would how we do? What would you do here? I take Abdul Carter one.
They would take abdual Carter. But if there was like a guy like a Jailing Carter available in this draft, they would take him over the adge, I would assume, because you that is the one position. Now you got to have a guy that can get to the quarterback. But when you have a guy that can anchor your defense, you can't have too many of them either, And they make it. They make a tremendous difference, especially if they're versatile and you can move them and you can actually move them to the outside and make them a big adge. You know, super big aedge and and and now you have all of these different ways of running defenses, like people don't run regular four to three or three four defenses anymore. Like you're hearing all kinds of different numbers, Like the different number combinations are crazy. So to be able to have a guy that's on the interior line that could actually play a three technique, a six technique, a three technique, and a zero technique, that's, uh, that's tremendously valuable. I would say, and and and and real terms like that. That's probably just as valuable, if not more than an edge rusher.
Okay, well, I mean listen, Uh, well, then then I think we're in agreement here. Abdul Carter goes to try and try and pull the trigger on Kirk Cousins, and then the Giants well, and then the Giants are sitting there with Travis Hunter or Shador Sanders. You got to pick your Colorado poison, Like who you going with? Is it going to be Hunter Sanders? At three? And I just I don't know that the Giants would go ahead and add a third quarterback at that point. You know, why wouldn't you take Travis Hunter and send him to New York. If he if he's really the superstar everybody says he is, send him to New York be a good spot for him.
If he's the superstar. And I say, is that's not That's not what I say, it's what he is.
No, I'm just saying, if he's the superstar everybody says he is, then send him to If.
He what do you mean he's the superstar? But because everybody's saying he's a superstar.
You know who has been speaking highly as Mike Rabel. Mike Rabel loves Travis Hunter, So I mean maybe there's the potential they, you know, try and move.
Some people say that they're concerned about his size. I have heard that can he Is he going to be durable enough at his size? I guess he's undersized or small. So can that can he hold up you know at the NFL level? I have heard that is an observation, if you want to call it a criticism, you know, can is he is his size going to be a problem for him at the next level?
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Size, not heightened size. That's that's that's weight. How much does he weigh listed? Yeah, so I don't know if that's you know again, I don't know if that's going to play a part in it, but that's what I've heard. That's that's the criticism that that that that was the one thing that jumped out is can he be durable at the next level? He'll be fine.
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Right now a special Friday appearance from the one and only Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, Lead Content Strategies at the m m QB, the star of Amazon's NFL on prime coverage, normally with us on a Thursday, but we're happy to have you here on a football Friday. What's happened in AB?
Hey, guys, what's up? I saw some pictures of your son wearing that old number eleven.
N Yes, sir, he's doing He's doing very well, acclimating very nice nicely to his new digs. So thanks for the acknowledgement. Hopefully he can have as good a you know success against Ohio State as I did when I was you know, in school. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's a it's a kick in the head. Ab it's kind of kicking your head, Like you know, you hold your kid. Yeah, you hold that baby for so long, and then you don't like him for so long. You know, it's like you go through the stage of hell, he's a baby, I love him. Then he gets a little bigger and it's like you're weird. Then he turns into something different. Then one day he turns into a person, and then you're looking at him. It's like, man, you've turned into a young man. And then boom, like he has like this level of success. Now you see him at at the college level. Was like, man, this dude plays for Penn State. He's practicing at Penn State, and he's wearing number eleven and we have the same name. It's kinda yes, it's kind of it's about blue or a B. Yeah. Pretty cool, pretty humbling.
Well, yeah, I grind that.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. Thank you.
To be able to make it to that level, like, regardless of what happens here is pretty pretty awesome.
Yeah, absolutely, I agree. I agree, Thank you so much.
Man.
Well, speaking of that level, I mean, let me transition you into a question from there We had the debate earlier on where does the drafts start? And as we're getting closer and closer, things are starting to kind of at least seemingly define itself a little bit more. But I think that the debate is continuing to grow for Cleveland, what exactly do you do at at number two knowing what the quarterback situation is? You know, the conversations about Kirk Cousins, but also the idea that why isn't there a conversation about maybe Shador Sanders being looked at by the Cleveland Browns? You know, what do you think right now? Where does the draft start for you? And and and what wh are you basing that off of?
Yeah, well we dive into another number eleven event there.
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I think there was a little bit of a towel last week and that the Browns sent their owner Jimmy has History Law.
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Johnson is a DVD with the brown Then the GM Andrew Berry to go have dinner with a duel Carter, but the head coach was not there. The head coach had been sent to Oxford, Mississippi to go uh to go to Jackson Darts pro Day, which I think if you if you look at that allocation or resources and where you're putting your people, it sort of would map out what you could do, which is take the best position player, whether that's Abdill Carter or Travis Hunter at too and then circle back and get a quarterback with the next tack, whether it's the thirty three or in the trade off.
And so.
You know, I think the Giants sort of similar approach, you know, and and build it quarterback broom. It doesn't look like it's built for a rookie to walk into it. Evan Russell, Wilson, Jameis Wentz in there, so you don't have to force the quarterback. And you know, again like we have three weeks ago, but I think the likelihood is you have Cam Moore go one to the Titans, and then the Browns and Giants take Carter and Honnor and then I think the draft starts to score where I think what this draft class blaxic quality. I think it'll bring in drama because I think once you get to once Carter and Hunter are off the board, now all of a sudden, I think things become very very unpredictable and you have a group of you know, maybe up to fifteen players that are that are viewed similarly by a lot of different teams, and then I think you get the drama of Shador and where does he go mixed into all that as well.
Albert, were you able to go to Palm Beach to the Breakers and visit last week? Yeah?
Okay, Now we want to get your opinion of the Breakers as compared to Pete Prisco, who kind.
Of downplayed it said it's more of a yepfest. Wasn't really his style of place, is how he described it. Is that more of your style of plays the Breakers.
I mean, I do myself as a pretty classy individual. Were fine, so maybe it is. I mean, although I gotta get his hand as usual with I don't know. I don't know what Pete does. I don't know if some of that's artificial. Have you talked to him about that? But I haven't actually asked, so if any of it is fake stuff, you know, if he is.
I don't think he.
Gets spray tand I don't think he's Spraytand but he does claim he's a Sicilian, so he thinks it's more of the natural genetics, is how he described it. I think he lays out the sun every day, Like I'll put it down. I know he goes on a bike right often because he used to bike around the neighborhood I lived in. But I'm pretty sure he lays out, like just lays out for like an hour a day.
Wow, Well that's commitment. I mean, that's the same. I mean, I guess, I guess if you live down there, you don't need to go in a canning that either, right.
Now. Yeah, maybe I don't know. He would be able to tell you.
Better than I, so he'd be the expert. We should probably get fell with him on that.
Yeah, But I guess I guess the question will get to from you being down there is what was the biggest takeaway?
Like was it more surrounding around the competition committee?
Is it more about what the drama like you talked about in the draft or was it more about the potential of actually the push push and some of these are the rules changing.
Yeah, I mean, I think like overall, you know, Brady, I I think you know, there's obviously a lot of that talk about what's going to happen at the top of the drafts. I think, you know, Titan sort of started a lot in on camp board, and then what's going to happen behind him, what's gonna happen with Aaron Rodgers obviously with a big topic or conversation. The Steelers seem pretty confident that they're gonna wind up landing him in the end. To me, I think one sort of interesting up watching the Competition committee stuff was how much control Rogers still has over this stuff and how it does feel like, you know, his will becomes the leagues well to some degree now and that you know, I think he wanted to kick off returns obviously take a more prominent role in the game. And you know, there was a lot of talk i'd say, early in the meeting about how well, you know, like there's some pushback on whether or not like the touchbacks should go back to the thirty five, should go to the thirty five, and you know, there were some people who want to be the spot of the kicking the move from the thirty five to thirty instead, And you know, Roger really liked the idea of of of just really incentivizing the return, so he got that, you know, and then the touch bush, like, I you know, I think that was something where there was a lot of resistance against that, so you know, like he has a explord of an alternate plan to go back to the old two thousand and four rule that gets tabled till May so you can get the vote in May. And I mean even like the Lions proposal on on on on the on the open seating in the playoffs, that only had My understanding is they only had a handful of votes for that, Like it was very strong against that, But even that got tabled till May because I think Rogers really cognizant of what the current seating format's done to the end of the regular season and how you know, Week seventeen and eighteen has lost a lot of their luster, and he likes the idea of the open seating to create more drama at the end of the year, maybe push his coaches that have to foot on the gas at the end of the season in a way that they don't right now. So that was that that's sort of like my my overarching takeaway is how uh you know, Rogers seemed to have a lot of command over the things that were happening with the rules, you know, over the course of lots, you know, a few days.
Albert Brie joining us here on sports radio at Albert Brier on x is where you can find them a b What was the most interesting rumor, whether it be a draft move, a trade, a transaction something like that that you heard while down there that kind of surprised you. Yeah, man, no, oh damn, Yeah, that was a great question.
Some of the teams that are just just some of the teams, some of the teams that are a little bit more interested and a little bit more in on the quarterback market in the draft. You know, one that has sort of continued to come up for me as the Saints and like the amount of work that they're doing on the draft class, and I mean look like things weren't like great, I'd say over the last couple of months between them and Derek Carr and I restructure this contract which sort of blocks them in. But you know, there was a point where Derek Carr wanted the States, but I can try him. And so, you know, I think the Saints was a new head coach and Kellen Moore really doing all the work. They were another team that had their head coach on the ground at Jackson Darts Pro Day, you know, at ninth overall or they a landing spot for store standards? Would they reach on Jackson Dart at that point in the draft, Like I think, you know, looking at New Orleans is a potential player in the quarterback market in the draft I think was sort of an interesting one, you know, And then I think that the overall, like look at the draft last how quickly a drops off after these two guys I mentioned before, Carter and Hunter, you know, that's an interesting one. And then I'd go back to the seating thing. I mean the seating thing that was like sort of a curve ball for me where I thought there was a fairness thing. And actually I think it has more to do with them, like he knowing the product in week seventeen and eighteen last year was lacking and how seating could help fix that, How open seating could help fix that. That was one that kind of got attention to and it'll be interesting to see where.
That works to host. Let me ask you this a be in terms of Ashton Genty, how should we you talked about that drop off after Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. I truly believe that Ashton Genty is the one, the one prospect that actually may integrate and acclimate quicker than any other drafted player. Yeah, where how do you see it playing out for him?
Yeah, so I would say that's a that's a good caveat there, LeVar where I think you look at it and say, maybe genty is the closest one to that elite babble that Carter and Hunter or on. But then you have to bring positional value into it. And it's like you are you comfortable taking it running back fourth or fifth or sixth or seventh overall, and some teams will be in. Other teams won, and I think the end it is like an interesting twist. All of this is kind of how you have all right, like you know, the sort of rebirths the running back this year where you had three really smart teams invested veteran running back from the outside and get a huge return, you know, and in what uh you know the Eagles did and bringing in uh bringing in uh Jacoon Barkley, what the Ravens did and bringing in Derrek Conan Henry, and then what the Patners did bringing in Josh Jacobs. So you know the event. But then on the other side, there's still like, well you can wait for Quinn, Shawn Judkins or Caleb Johnson or Camp scattabo or or Trevon Henderson maybe on day two, Right, So how do you balance those things? I think Gend's fascinating from that standpoint is it's gonna be a litmus test on how teams there at the top of the draft have valued that division.
M hm, he is, Albert, you got another one, right?
No, No, I was actually gonna wrap. Let's just say we kind of running up against it.
So, okay, Abe, we appreciate it, enjoy the final four, enjoy your Friday, and we'll do it again next week.
Wowle was Brady trying to wrap for you? There is Brady doing for your job.
No, let's know, I just I'm trying to pay attention to the clock. We're running a little bit into it.
It kind of will be on it. It kind of turned into The LeVar Show early on there with all what so we just kind of felt.
Like, don't don't don't be that guy, Jonas, don't be that guy. That's that's definitely very very jealous. Uh, you know, undertones and overtones in your voice right there. Let's just hope that you know the same moment that's all.
I won't waste anybody's time anymore. I have a good weekend. Guy.
Oh come on, yeah, that was not a waste of time. I appreciate the positive feedback and endorsement. Abe
