2 Pros and a Cup of JoeWednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar takes on haters of Saquon Barkley. Critics hate on Shedeur for his slide in the Draft but the truth is the Sanders family accomplishes what they set out to do. The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about the circus that is the NFL Draft and who the Lakers will blame when they get eliminated.
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Were you waiting for my reaction? You're waiting for my reaction.
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If you keep using pd A and which batter way? I heard you used it on me too, that's correct. If you keep using that, something's wrong with us because we needed to do an intervention. If you've been if you've been suspended this many times, Ford.
Well listen to He's on his way to to the outer beyond.
Right, So Saturday, you and I work Saturdays, and Saturday Bo Benson, the executive producer of the Saturday show, was out.
He was out, and I accused him of a pe de violation.
And then after the first hour, Shay was filling in, and then he had to go, and then Ian Roddy stepped in.
So I accused Shay.
After hour one of the pee violets, or maybe just the hour one was so bad.
It was like, look, I gotta go, somebody else got to take over the show.
I've here.
I mean I did up on game and we crushed it, and then we turned it over to Jonas, and Jonas didn't.
Do what he needed to do. So it sounds like to me, because say, was there for our whole show, you guys are still in the air. I didn't know that.
Look, you know what's funny they only have numbers for one show on the weekend. Yeah. Yeah, that's a Shannon Sharp move right there.
That's a flex. Ain't enough bosses around here to keep me off your head?
Jonas, are you well, is that the tag team partner you're looking for? Nope, but yes it was. Uh you know, so listen PD violation. Hey, that's what it is. But LaVar and I will take you all the way up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You can hang out with us on the IHEARTRATEI Map and you can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. And we would like to thank the Milwaukee Bucks for participating in any sort of significant playoff run in the NBA for We're just gonna call.
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Yes, so that's uh, that'll do it for the Milwaukee Bucks. It was listen, it was fun while lasted. It was a brilliant attempt. Congratulations to the Indiana Pacers.
They weren't ready to go yet, they didn't want to go.
But you know what, in the Eastern Conference, at least that series has got some got some juice to it. So I don't mind that series getting extended a little bit. O. Same with with Denver and la As far as the Clippers.
Go, oh they're going home tonight.
Well, excuse me, excuse me. Yeah, you got the Clippers. They they didn't want to go home either. We got the Lakers tonight, and this will probably be their swan song.
So yeah, I'm.
Hoping that, uh, you know things, things get extended in the Clippers Nugget series for the sake of Ben Mallor, so you can have something to celebrate here.
But nonetheless, the it's a rap for that series too, though. Damn.
Yeah, I'm sorry. If Murray can stay home. He came out hot yesterday.
Why are you pulling up with the corner van first? Well, I mean it was the first hour of my show. Now it's the Clippers, then you got the Lakers. Why are you loading up bodies?
I've been I've been in a very, very confrontational mode since yesterday. I was reading from one of my happened to somebody who went to school with me. We went to school, we went to Penn State at the same time, and and he had this little community.
Like change around here. You ain't lying, he Lee. Come on, man, what you're doing?
What is on TV?
Is what you're doing with that? This is Coops show?
Actually, Coop. What you're doing Coop? Like, all right, I don't want to put it on Lee. If it ain't Lee, what you're doing Coop? Well, I didn't put it on. But this is a fantastic show. This is one of the best comedies of all time.
What is it? The righteous Gemstones things?
He's got his righteous gemstones all over the television right now.
By the way, what happened to John Goodman? He get cut in half? No, he's being held hostage. No, I mean just like in general, looks like, oh, because he's slots smaller than he used to be. Yeah, yeah, he lost a lot of weight. Looks good. Well anyway, yeah, I've chose violence.
I mean so so on this thread on Facebook, of all places, Facebook, dude is talking crazy about Saquon for being at the White House golfing with the president or whatever, and you know, call them choice names. That are you know, a part of our community when they do something, you know, when dudes do something that you know the rest of the community air quotes doesn't like or whatever. And I took exception to it. So I've like kind of been on a I have a serial type of I've been on I have a serial type of approach since then, Like and I had time yesterday.
What do you what do you mean? What was he saying? I had time?
Well, they go through trash, they go through garbage that night, I tell you, that's what he called him, man, And I'm you know, I refuse to accept that you're going to call him, you know, the nocturnal animal that goes through trash, you know, in the evening time.
I gotcha, Yeah, right now, I understand.
That'd be like me telling That'd be like me writing a threat and calling his mother the same thing, you know what I mean, or like one of his family members that he really really cared about, like putting them on blasts and then people were laughing, like the people were commenting on it, like the comments below it, and then I recognized some of them, you know what I mean. So I'm like, wait, hold on, like, so this is how y'all like they started talking about how football players at Penn State handle things. We apparently football players at Penn State don't, like we would lower our eyes in our heads to other black students, we didn't want to talk to black students or yeah, it's kind of weird.
It was a weird dialogue.
The dude sitting there telling me stupid, the dude sitting there telling me look at all, like read the room, like there's all these comments about that. The players didn't talk to me either, Da da da this that and the other. And my roommates would ask me like da da da this that.
And the other. And I was like, maybe you were a nerd.
I don't understand what your your lens or your perception of us is, because that couldn't be the most inaccurate, you know, assessment of who, Like, maybe you weren't attractive. I mean I've seen girls on there say yeah, they didn't talk to me. Maybe you weren't attractive because I know every good looking black girl on that campus had some type of relationship of some sort, whether it was high by or beyond, there was a relationship. There was an interaction there. Now, the dudes, I don't really know, you know what I mean?
I got it is interesting.
Didn't you guys walk around with the shirt that said sevens and up?
Only the dude sat there and said, y'all was walking around with your jerseys on this stuff. Ain't nobody ever went around campus with their game jersey on or any unless it was that period of time where guys were wearing you know, pro players jerseys. But he dude was talking like we was walking around with with our jerseys.
On campus, like like that was our come up.
And this is all because Saquon Barkley dared to visit the White.
House and golf flew on Air Force one golf with the president.
Are they more outraged because it's called the White House?
I think they're outraged because they want to have something to be outraged about.
I just thought it was.
I thought, you know, from what we come from and and and a lot of us have had to endure to get to where we are. In life, it's like, oh, these guys make it to the Promised Land and then they forget about where they came from.
And I said, I told dude, I said, do you.
Realize a lot of guys, a lot of us go broke because we reach back. A lot of us lose our money because we're steady helping dumb asses like you, like you need something, we help, no questions asked. Don't nobody else get treat. Nobody's coming at you asking you for the same things that guys that make it to the league are asked for.
And and yet.
At the drop of a hat, at the drop of a dime, you can have a problem with with one of one of our guts. And what bothered me was one is Saquon Likeon is like all of them are like baby bros to me. And I'm super proud of Saquon. I'm super proud of what he's accomplished. And just to be sitting there like they were getting on the fact that you know, he's he's married to a white girl, Like, so what you're talking about, check the temperature of the room.
I mean, for what it's worth, I'm not so at least that kind of cancels it out.
All I'm gonna say. All I would say is got one first off. First off, so.
I didn't hold up by into the bargain. It's like, why are you paying attention to Why are you paying attention.
To who that man loves? First of all? And this is twenty twenty five, Jack, Like, be happy that is a woman. Be happy that it's a woman. That's a woman that I identifies as a woman and and doesn't need any other pronouns added to you know, he's she, him, her.
You're making things too complicated for me.
If it's got to be that complicated to stay you know, locked in to your own community.
Of race, racial background. Oh, I just you know, I don't know, man, that's wild.
The tyebit perplexing to me, Like like you're Uncle Tom.
Or you're you're the old you know, you're you're you're the animal that comes out nets in.
The trash at night because you're living your life like you're you're you're pushing yourself. So you're basing any and everything that a president has done off of off of an athlete visiting or playing golf or being in the mix of things.
It's kind of state College. There you go, what's going on there? The weather is a tornado? Oh they have a they have a dirt devil in State College. Oh that's sweet.
What Yeah, look at that like the dirt devil. It's like a like a dirt torn like an upside down dirt tornado, like a dirt tornado. Anyway, I'm such a nerd.
I gotta get a.
Line speaking of speaking of State College, go figure and not. You know, I just never knew. I never knew that cats wasn't cool. That's why I learned yesterday. And like seeing the certain people on there that were commenting and laughing and this that and the other, like this is funny because you know, at somebody else's expense, he went to the White House, somebody that represents your institution. You got it listed on your information that you went to the Pennsylvania State University. Like you're leveraging that. But you sit here and you talk all this crazy mad head about it, like nothing was ever nothing's ever going to be perfect. The things that you experience in school, you're learning, you're growing. People come from different backgrounds, of course, you're going to experience different things, whether it be prejudice, whether it be racism, whether it be sexism, You're going to experience different things. Because college is a microcosm of the real world, you're going to experience different things. I just thought it was interesting that they chose to They chose to pinpoint Saquon and then generalize basically the entire football population outside of who I guess they conveniently who they're cool with, who.
They're bros with.
Outside of the few that they're cool with that they're comfortable about, the rest of us are just the same as Saquon, which, by the way, I have no problem being the same as Saquon. If that's the comparison, If that's the cop that you want to put me into, I have no problem being that guy.
That's what you're feeling.
So everything I've heard about Saquon Barkley is great, dude.
One of the most phenomenal, humble, cool dudes you'll ever meet.
Yeah, like they're super cool.
There's there's no draw even after the Giants. Basically, no, no, we don't want to remember, like we remember. We talked about it on the air to where it was like he could have stayed out and still he showed up.
He still showed up early.
He was still part of the team, even though you know there was a franchise tag with a little juice attitude or whatever you want to call it. Still showed up, still had nothing but kind things to say, even as the you know, Giants fans were attacking him like still like took the high road, has always taken the high roads.
Rushing record, single season rushing record, could have broke it. And and Guy wins the best best, what's best for the team is what I want to do.
Guy wins the Super Bowl gets an opportunity to go to the White.
House, because that's what you do, is go to the White House.
Yes, and he's something he'd each, Yeah, I don't get it.
Bruh.
And and then and then people wonder why there be so much divide and so much friction bro like on god, bruh, Like it makes me I don't even want to go there, because you know, I don't really I'm getting old, and my filter is starting to run low.
It's really starting to run low. At my tolerance level.
Is so low, and and and every once in a while, I be really ready to say what I'm really thinking and what I'm really feeling. I'm a refrain. I'm a refrain. But that's something crazy, that's crazy. That's crazy. That young man is doing the best he can to be the best he can be in his life and make a difference for himself and his family and the people that matter in his life. You should be you should be honoring that young man for what he's accomplishing. I guess, I guess if he's not there, what's like. You're happy he's not there, but you showed him. You're happy, You're happy he's not there. But in reality, if you really think about it, you should be upset if he's not there because we weren't always able to be there. You see somebody with a place at the table, and you got to You got.
An issue with him because of what you feel about the other person.
You're mad at him for going to the representation of our entire free world country. He's there, and you got an issue with him because you got an issue with who the president is.
Uh? Do you remember when? Uh?
And this is way back, but I don't know if this was talked about when you were in DC, But you remember when Washington that then Redskins won the Super Bowl went and visited the White House, Ronald Reagan was the president, and Ricky Sanders, who was a wide receiver for Washington Rooky caught a pass at the White House and he was being celebrated, and there was all this like it was a big big I don't like, I never heard anything about that being an issue with anybody being there. I just thought it was, well, like that's what you do. It's like, there is no black or white. It's you show up. Obama was black, and white players who may have voted Republicans show I never I never heard of this until now, and now it's a big deal.
I just I just care.
You can have your beliefs and you can have your you know what you feel about things. I tend to stay away from politics because it's just it's it's just it's a no win situation. You're never going to convince anybody anything other So just do you make sure you vote so your voice is heard. So if if you win, you could say you did your part. If you lose, you tried. Bottom line, I don't get involved in it. But when you start launching personal attacks like and for what you should be you should be happy that that man is representing your university in such a large forum, and yet you're joking about it and making making real like harsh assessments and and and throwing out that name, like like take the name and add sa Quon say say at and at the end of it.
And that's what he was calling him in the in the post.
Right like like I'm getting older, Like I don't, I don't feel the need to want like like the old me, i'd have been like we on site, Like it's on site. If I see you, I'm gonna punch you on your mother f in mouth right on site. But we're I'm at now, I'm growing, I'm growing, I'm growing as a person. And it just irritates me when black people do that, when my own people, my representation of who I am. I hate that ass broh. I hate it with a support like like I was just talking yesterday yesterday about what Bud Crawford said. Bud Crawford says, why do you have to choose sides when it's when it's one of us fighting.
We choose sides.
When it's when it's a different group of people, when it's say, say it's a Tyson Fury group of people says the Gypsies.
The Gypsies they bruh.
They gonna celebrate one another and then they're gonna go drink some pops after they're done. If they're Mexican, they're gonna they're gonna celebrate one another, like celebrate both fighters. We seem to be the only group of people that enjoys and gets pleasure out of attacking one another. When we see somebody being successful, it's the craziest thing to me.
I was in Vegas for the because we did shows out there for Fox Sports Radio for the McGregor Mayweather fight Man. The Irish showed up, just like the English showed up when Ricky Hatton fought him, just like there's there's this you know, like you show up and there there is a support to it.
That's a different level of support that doesn't feels as top.
Like if you want to use the excuse against a different racial group, like I get it, I get it. You want to use it like you want to use the reasoning we've been done wrong.
Right chusing against somebody else? Why you're using it against your old people. It's the weird Like, bro.
I'm getting old. I keep telling y'all, and my resistance is low. So I'm gonna just tell people how I feel because I don't care anymore. I don't care about validation. I don't care if it's politically correct. I don't care if it's right to you or if it made you happy. I don't care if you're not black and you're list name right now and it's like, oh, where's Brady?
We will now. I don't care for.
What it's worth. I didn't know you were black until like twenty minutes. I'm black, brother, I'm black and super proud of it. Hey, I don't Hey, I'm not no token. Now, don't don't get it twicted, because I'll chip your two.
And what am I?
You're white? Real white? Yeah? I mean you're a vampire. Yeah right.
I just is what it is. I don't know what Lee is though, Lee. I don't know what to call Lee. That's the thing I get. I get.
I get a tad bit confused as to what is he?
A conquist the door is he?
He dabbles way? What is he?
I get confused on Loreena. I'm confused on the whole back room. But it doesn't matter.
I got love for all of us. She's from cous bag. I got love for everybody. Man.
Why can't people just you don't have to pick sides. It's the morrow of this story. And leave Saquan alone. Quon is just fine. Leave him, Leave him alone.
No borders, baby, old boy, you did love. Shouldn't have borders.
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We've got some good news, good news for the NFL that we're going to start this hour with, and it's involving the Draft. So the NFL says that draft viewership this year was up eleven percent over last year on Night one, it was up forty eight percent on Day two and forty three percent on Day three.
Why do you think that was lebar? Why do you think the draft viewership was up this year? I mean.
Again, And the quick and short of it is the Shador Sanders storyline. I mean, that's the great I was about to give you a whole but I ain't in the move. Yeah, it's the Chador Sanders storyline. And you know, a lot of people made a point to to say, he takes credit, you know, or you should you know, have him take a bow, and the NFL should you know, applaud him and he should be compensated for carrying a draft largely in part that had no real hype coming into the day itself or the day's plural.
Well, Chris Carter uh the Hall of Famer Uh. He was speaking about the shad Or Sanders situation. He was on fully loaded and had this to.
Say, let me tell you what he understands today.
Okay, he ain't running.
Okay, let me tell you what they taught him, A great lesson. Okay, Like you don't have this figured out, your dad, don't have this figured out?
Whose they and a fast world?
No?
Who tell you said they taught him?
I'm just curious, like, well, the system, the system.
There's a system out there. Man, Like you're you're going for a job interview.
So for his job interview, he was so concerned about, oh, what his outfit was. His necklace was over one hundred grand. He hadn't even convinced people that you're the face of our franchise. Matter of fact, he had convinced people that they were better off going in a different direction, even with people who had lesser talent.
That's the rub he put on the people. That's the case. That's a bad interview, bro. No, it is the case.
He didn't get drafted, right, it's no speculation.
Like we're through the draft.
We through three days.
He threw away at least thirty to fifty million dollars.
So that is uh, that is Chris Carter airing out Shador Sanders for the thirty to fifty million dollars.
Is he airing him out or is he It's perspective. It's perspective. Everything is going to be speculation though. That's the bottom line. Like, as much as it makes sense what he's saying, that still could be speculation. Yeah, he knows a lot of people. Chris Carter is very well connected. But still nonetheless unless you're in those war rooms. Because some people have very different different opinions of it. I mean, people have said he bombed out, you know his interviews. Some people said that he just wasn't that good. Some people have debated that he was that good. Some people debated that he was in colla. I guess consideration for a top five pick top six pick. It runs the whole gambit of opinions and thoughts and ideas of what Shador Sanders you know, was in the draft. Now, what I will say to that, Jonas is everybody has all of these strong opinions, and I think ultimately the truth is somewhere in there, and it probably touches on all of the elements that a lot of people are talking about. He probably was considered to be a top prospect at one point in time. There probably was a overplaying of the cards. I keep hearing people say that the Sanders family overplayed their hand and they lost terribly and overplaying it meaning that you know, and I think it was Chris Carter that actually said this too, that Shador Sanders totally trusted his dad and was bombing, was bombing, sabotaging himself in meetings team team interviews that you know, obviously he didn't want to go to those teams, and it may have gotten out that narrative may have started to get out and was discussed, and it was talked about. And again I think the one I think, the one thing that was I find to be the most interesting of all of the scenarios is do you view Shador Sanders as a starter in the National Football League because one of the opinions, and I'm not sure who it came from, but maybe it was cow Hurt. One of the opinions was, if you're drafting a guy early, you're drafting them to be a starter. Once you get outside of a certain amount of draft picks, you're now drafting for a backup. Shador Sanders clearly was drafted out of backups draft position number in the draft and.
Started interrupt But to that point, that was one of the talking points about when the Browns took Dylan Gabriel that people in the NFL loved him and they viewed him as a backup, like that's a solid backup quarterback because of there his experience and things he did in college, and he was taken before Shudor.
And you may never see Dylan Gabriel ever get see the light of day of touching a football field in the National Football League. It may never happen. And I find it interesting because there's the strong possibility that Shador Sanders may never touch the football field. He got drafted behind the guy that may never see the football field. Like you got to think about this one or two of them, they may go. They may not even make the roster.
And who knows when they they.
You know when they get let go. I don't know when they get let Who knows when they get let go. So there are a lot of there are a lot of things elements involved in all of this.
I thought that was the.
Best kind of explanation was if you've decided that Shador Sanders isn't worthy of being a starter, which look, if you want to create a personal opinion about it and make it racial, or make it about Dion's dad or whatever it is you want to do, go right ahead.
It's it's so tiring to try to.
Villainize and and and make people, you know, what is it the you know, victimized. That's what I'm looking for.
Go ahead. I'm just telling you this is what I believe.
Either you viewed him as a starter, and if you viewed him as a starter, I don't give a damn if he bombed out interview, I don't care. You see him on his interviews and he's and you think he's arrogant. It doesn't matter if they view him as a starter. They're not doing this all We're gonna humble him. No, da, da, They're gonna draft him. They're gonna draft him.
Look at Mike Green, who got drafted by the Ravens. I think in the second round, second or third round.
They took Pierce, they took Peers.
James Pearce had off field issues and that's why he fell into draft.
They took him in the first round.
Mike Green had multiple like assault claims against him going back to high school, and still the Ravens took him, and the thought was he's a first round talent, Like the talent will outweigh it. So so whatever it is you want to settle in on as to why the system they this fictitious figure, that's that's totally your prerogative. All I'm saying is is if they viewed him as a starter, if there was one singular team out of the thirty two that saw and viewed him as a starter, he would have been drafted in a earlier round. So once you realize that they're grade of him dictated where they were going to take them, now it's like, well, do we take him or do we take this other guy?
Do we roll with this position or do we roll with this quarterback we could use. You can never have too many quarterbacks to bring in the camp. It's not going to cost as much.
What do you do? They passed thirty two passed.
Him up, first round, second round, third round, fourth round. Thirty two teams passed him up repeatedly. So in the end, you can say it's a conspiracy theory. They're humbling him. They're doing this, they're doing that. Maybe some maybe at some point during that draft, that's what it was, but not early on, not early on. If you're great, is your great, you're gonna get drafted. You're gonna get drafted. So at the end of the day, he probably fell into project quarterback, which is it doesn't mean you're not a starter. It just doesn't mean that maybe you're not a starter today. And everything else that's connected to what's taking place added to a case study of this is a project quarterback, meaning it's going to take some development and some time for him to learn the game at the pro level and integrate him into being an eventual starter. All the other stuff made it feel as though this is a tremendous Now you got to say, what's risk reward of taking on this project player?
We got to do this.
But in the meanwhile, you know what's going to happen any good team, and this is going to happen in Cleveland. You watch what I tell you, Every single thing that happens is going to be something or somebody else's fault, and no organization wants to deal with that. They're not going to want to deal with What did Colin say? I think it was Colin. I don't want to misquote. You don't want more cameras in the locker of a backup, maybe even third fourth string on your team.
You don't want all of the cameras.
You don't want a circus or whatever it is people are labeling it. You don't want all of that confusion in your locker room for somebody that's not even going to get on the field.
There is something to a backup who's too loud and people can like because people looked at you know, the Colin kap Next stuff and we're like, oh god, you know he's being blackballed, and et cetera, et cetera.
He was Okay, well, I mean but but it's a totally different situation.
But my point is that there was also the same conversation about Tim Tebow like man like that. There's a lot that comes with that. I had the black ball Tim Tebow that had to get him out, and there's a lot that comes with that, and you don't want that as your backup, like that's not so I get why teams would be hesitant to do it. I also look at this as well too, because not only were the ratings up all three days, but you also saw the information come out about top Jersey sales of rookies who were drafted in the top ten. Nine of the top ten were first round picks. The only one that wasn't was shad Or Sanders. He was third, Travis Hunter was first. So that tells me, based on the viewership the Jersey sales, that there's a reason why Colorado hired Dion Sanders. And it worked because you can say, well, look, they didn't win a national title and should or got whatever you want to call it. It was about bringing back and resurrecting the program and getting people interested again, and it worked and it translated in Colorado. In Boulder, the scene that was there, the hype that was there, the concerts, Big newon kickoff game Day, all those shows showed up and then when you got to the NFL Draft, the ratings increased over forty percent day two and day three because of shidh or Sanders.
So whatever they're doing, and because right, if we're being honest, because of Dion Sanders. But but that's okay, but that's fine. But it's be clear it's because of Dion's and that's fine.
But to Chris Carter saying, well, you know, he costs himself, you know, twenty thirty million dollars. Maybe, But what they've done there is they've made people care and they've created a business and a platform for themselves that I don't.
It extends beyond, it extends beyond the parameters of the game.
I mean, it wouldn't surprise he's not he doesn't need football.
I mean, when you hear, okay, he cost himself twenty thirty million dollars whatever that never was.
That he threw out there, bro, he's already probably got it.
He's already doing ads for Delta is a Delta or was it Delta Lee it's one of the is.
One of those airlines. He's already doing major airlines.
And he's a fifth round pick. Come on, man, But he's Chaudore Sanders.
So at the end of the day, whichever side you fall on, you could call it what you want. If we're keeping it on the in the parameters of in between the lines, it's football. You gotta look at it, and you gotta say he was viewed as a backup quarterback of project quarterback and they were going to have to work on them. And now your decision comes from there. That's to me, that's the conclusion you draw in between the lines, outside of the lines. Whatever it is that you're drawing your opinions and you're basing it off of, that's on you. That's on you and your personal approach to how you see us. Apparently, apparently you're never going to get one side to view things the same way. Right, there's gonna be a whole Liar's gonna be a multitude of opinions about your door Sanders. There's gonna be the ones who hate them all the way from the hate to the love, and in between that hate and that love spectrum, You're gonna have every single opinion, theory, concept that anybody can come up with or think of as to why Schador Sanders wasn't a higher draft pick. As to why Schador Sanders is in the situation that he's in right now.
And for anybody complaining about the Browns drafting Schador Sanders after taking Dylan.
Gabriel, I just like to point out it could be worse.
You could have given two hundred and thirty million dollars some guy who's spent one hundred days.
Out of a calendar year at the Grab.
Lab, So they could be worse. So just for you know, on the bright side of things, Leeway.
Schador did sign an endorsement deal with Delta, And if you were to look at the numbers, you know, cam Ward's rookie deal is worth forty eight million including thirty two signing bonus with the sixth pick in the fifth round. Shador's contract is four point six including a four hundred forty six thousand sighting, so that's about forty four million.
He's got that in a fanny pack hanging up in his closet somewhere, and a.
Lot of people's theories are that, you know, people are upset with that too, you know. And the question became, how motivated is this young man to be a project quarterback? How motivated is he to be what he needs to be and becoming the pro that he needs to become. Some people have used that theory, so I mean the bottom line, here's the bottom line. Don prime Time Sanders created a persona. He tells you about it. Prime Time is the persona. It's not the man. Dion Sanders is the man, and he's a fine man. He's that is a good man. He's a just man. Shortcomings just like any other person, but is a fine man. I know that I know him personally. That man was there for me and supported me and in a very in a tough position I was in in my life as a rookie when I came into to training cap He's a fine person. If we're looking at it where we're judging these people and their character, that's on you. I think he's done an excellent job of raising his kids. He's put them in positions to have the level of success that they've had. This is not about Shador. This is about d On prime Time. In every opinion that you're creating and everything that you're thinking and and basing it off of, is a persona that was created long before Shador Sanders was even thought of or born. They are executing what they know. They are executing who they are. They are true to who they are. Schador didn't back away from who he was during during this time. They didn't draft him, he didn't back away from it. You didn't see him take his jewelry off and and and say it's not legendary anymore and not show any money in the club with the Louis bags and stuff.
You didn't see him take take a back seat. They don't care what you think.
And I like that because what that's considered to be is living free. But now when you live free, you have to understand and living free the way that they live as Sanders kids and as a family, you may run into a situation where employers don't want that their doors Tay's closed.
It's not no big conspiracy theory.
You remember when Manziel was a freshman, When Johnny Manziel was a freshman, there was sort of this mystery around him to where nobody really knew anything about They knew Johnny football, He had the visor, and nobody really was sure what he looked like or anything. And part of that was because Texas A and M had this rule. And I remember, because I reached out to the SID at the time to try and get him on for an interview, and they had this rule to where freshmen don't do interviews. Dion, Sanders and shod Or are like, Oh, not only will we do interviews, We'll have rap concerts, we'll have game days there, we'll have big Newton kickoff, We'll be we'll get sponsored by a sunglass brand. They were totally out front and in the open the entire time. And look, man, you could say that, yeah, well it rubbed people the wrong way. I don't know, man, Dion's been building brands for decades now, and I just don't see a lot of misses with him.
When it comes to that standpoint, maybe you'll get.
Any opportunity, Maybe he won't make it to the season and won't be on the roster. But when you see the numbers that are out there, like he tells you about sort of what they were building and what they were trying to accomplish, and I gotta be honest with you, it kind of worked.
It kind of worked.
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Good morning, Good morning guys, let's pop gone there. Good morning, LeVar.
Hey, how you doing. I'm all right, I'm okay, good so.
Good to know, Patricks. I just want to first, you know, send my condolences to you and yours. I know you were pretty distraught that should or had to wait as long as he did.
Tough for me.
So it's really I got to say, uh, I had a conversation with somebody about this last night, somebody who knows better than me, uh as far as like how executives think and all of that. And I know for a fact that this made the draft more interesting for me. I'm not a fan of the NFL Draft. I never have been, and I'll explain it, LeVar. It's like we deal with all the douchiary before and at halftime and after a football game because there's a football game to watch, right, Like I might even tolerate as a viewer, you know, Ian Rapport and whatever other douchebag information guy going back and forth about who's right about the information they have and all that different stuff, Like I will tolerate that, you know, Peter Schrager, I'll tolerate all of that crap because you know that there's a game coming.
And that's the amazing thing about the.
NFL Draft game coming.
It is just the self flating NFL information guide douchiarie for literally four.
Hours and there's no game.
And the fact that you know, six hundred thousand people will show up for it or whatever it was throughout the weekend and they'll get seven and a half million viewers combined for an event that has no actual payoff. That's pretty amazing. Oh, deep down, ESPN, the NFL network, they're high fiving.
No matter what pundit you might feel like made a fool of themselves or didn't.
They're having a hell of a time feeling great about the draft because everybody watched because of one thing.
Now, I would allege.
Earlier before I had this conversation that yeah, okay, NFL networks high fiving, ESPN's high fiving, But deep down, the NFL, because all of their draft picks were overshadowed and many of their pundits are embarrassed or are embarrassing, the NFL must be pretty red in the face. They can't be happy about the way this went down. And the guy I was with last night, who's an executive, said, are you kidding? They don't care. They just want people to talk about them. They love it. They're not embarrassed. They don't have some kind of moral high ground that they're standing on and saying, oh, we don't like this room for room for room. No, this was an embarrassment, but it was also a gigantic victory.
For the NFL.
These leagues are always trying to become the biggest story of the week, especially if they're not playing, like that's a huge bonus. Off season, it's the biggest story of the week. The NBA off season kind of tried to create that in the summer, so that's kind of The big picture of what I thought after the weekend is this was a travesty. Is anybody embarrassed by it? And the answer is no, nobody. Nobody is embarrassed about it.
You don't feel like the eventual crash out that was going to take place by mel Kuiper that took place this draft weekend, You don't think he's embarrassed about that?
Today?
I go no. I mean, I don't know if he had any shame, he would have tucked it in after the Jimmy claus and stuff.
You know, you know what I mean.
I mean, it's a whole different cottage industry, and Mel Kuiper has made the draft what it is. And again, you know, I'm a guy in his basement screaming into a microphone.
I mean, I understand, uh, the level of interest. I don't. Maybe I don't, but I I look, this moved the.
Needle in a huge way, and the NFL and everybody else involved is taking a victory lap. I don't know what Kuiper's like. He could be looking in the mirror saying, you know, I hate you. I don't know, but uh, but overall, it was, uh, it was it was an event that I watched, and you know, usually I'm semi interested in the draft as far as oh I know this player, Hey good for that guy, or hey, that's what a cool story, but nothing to where I was like riveted and people were texting me, he's not gonna go, He's not going you know, you know, like he's not gonna go. We were all, you know, pretty pretty uh pretty glued to it.
And and there's no doubt about it.
And you have to give the NFL whatever perverse kind of credit you'd want to give them. I mean, to me, if you're Jackson Dart or any of these guys, and everybody's having a temper tantrum when you get picked. Anybody who got picked anywhere that they thought Shador Sanders was going to get picked.
The panel had a temper tantrum. On day two.
Everybody seemed, even Joel who's a Colorado guy, Like, everybody seemed to get reeled in except for your brother with the with the hair helmet.
So Petros, would you see like the numbers and you mentioned the interest, it's there and the viewership numbers up over forty percent on day two from the previous year, up over forty percent on Day three from the previous year.
Yeah, I mean they wish they could create this every year.
Oh yeah, And so I look at it and I go, but this.
Was a natural occurrence.
I mean, this was a rebuke, a rebuke of the NFL's front offices against the Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders and how they went about this. I don't think he was a first round pick ever, Like I really don't, But I don't think he would have gone that deep had they not. Maybe, and they've admitted it themselves, maybe they could have gone about this in.
A different way.
And I think that's probably in hindsight, I think that that's what they would end up doing.
Doesn't also speak though to there's like this is why Colorado bringing in Dion Sanders like this? This was part of it because we're talking about a fifth round pick and his rookie jersey sale is third amongst all draft picks. I mean, he's the only non first round pick. And it just goes to show you, like, man, Colorado was desperate to have anything and to see the noise that comes along and the coverage that comes along with Dion and Shador and man, we have brought up Travis Hunter, who's the best player in the draft potentially. Like, it just tells me Colorado was right in the move they made. It may never result in a national time and Dion could be the coach of the Browns in two years, who the hell knows. But what they did was put the program back on the map, and they did so by way of Dion Sanders, who put his son and his whole brand on the map.
Again. Yeah, you can't argue with it.
I mean you can say that it's manufactured and the story is deeply manufactured because it doesn't warrant.
I mean, I was a.
Little offended just because everybody's like, well, Colorado football is not doing anything for twenty years.
It's like, no, no, that's not true.
They had a coach, the guy from San Jose McIntyre or whatever. That guy had him in the PAC twelfth championship game with Philip Lindsay and that big quarterback I think his name was Montees or something.
I mean, not that it's very memorable.
To anybody else, but that was a higher performing team, you know, in the last twenty years, in the last ten years, than what Shadour and Travis Hunter and Dion did just as far as you know, Ex's and Ozen on the field, that was actually a better team. Stephen Montes, Yes, Stephen Montes. And and that's okay, I mean, that's fine. This is this is a manufactured story. But what is it manufactured? Revenue, attention, television ratings, you know, all of these different things. And it's hard to argue with that now. Other than most of the points that everybody's already made. I think it is interesting because this did prove one point the media and.
Whatever that is.
You know, when whatever your interpretation is, when you hear somebody say that word, the media couldn't get this guy drafted, and and and I think this was a little bit of a reprimand on the media, because the last time I saw the media get a guy drafted out of place was Lonzo Ball, right, And you had to be an idiot like Magic Johnson, the same guy that raided away of vitza booth zubats Uh. You have to be somebody who was very naive to fall into the media trap because he was local and all that to draft Lonzo Ball as opposed to Jason Tatum ord Aaron.
Fox, you know, and I know about Mark l. Foltz, but and all that.
But he was a consensus number one, and gms don't get fired if you pick the guy that's a consensus number one, because you just figure, yeah, everybody else would have picked him. It's not my fault. So that's the only other time I've really seemed like just a huge media swell to get a guy drafted out of place.
And this seemed.
Like a like a little bit of a reprimand on on all the talk for months and months that the NFL wasn't having it.
Speaking of reprimands, p I mean the kid they did the prank, he apologized.
I didn't know how prevalent though. I didn't know that that had been a thing. Yeah he got cut, but like I didn't know that that had happened last year and years before it happened to another kid.
Well, I had no idea.
I mean, shouldn't something like the fact that it's it got leaked by you know, uh an official will say inside of the organization, shouldn't there be some type of consequence to it?
I mean, I don't know what he wanted to do to poor old Brick. He's already I mean, he's already embarrassed. I mean, you know, his kids, embarrassed himself, and the kid has apologized.
I mean, he got caught.
I mean, should we have him stand somewhere like butts up shame? Oh yeah, shame? What Arab butts up?
Maybe seven seven canes?
I don't, yeah, you know, change shame, you know, maybe change shame.
I mean, isn't that happening? I mean, isn't he being I mean, isn't it happening right now?
If I'm the NFL, you don't want that to like your biggest storyline? What shador Sanders? And that became a part of the storyline when and everybody went running for the phone and it's it's time.
I've been waiting for your call.
Well you're gonna keep waiting, Like in the moment, it shouldn't like it was kind of like maybe a tab it, Like I don't want to admit it was funny.
I thought the whole thing was racial, to be honest with you.
But that's just all I'm gonna say. And that's that's a whole another deal. That's that's that's a whole nother deal. But anyway, I mean, I just feel like there should be some type of repercussion. If the information that's a private line and that information gets out where something like that can happen from an organization, I just listen.
I think it's important that at some point, I know, it didn't happen this time, but at some point I feel like we're gonna get a black quarterback drafted high.
I agree Petro's oh, that's sarcasm. I agree. What are you trying to say.
I'm just saying I don't.
I mean, I just look when somebody goes like, you know, this is because the kid wears chains and he raps, and I was like, dude, if you took all the guys out that we're chains and raps, you know, we don't have a league, you know, I mean, we don't.
Have anything to talk about. You know.
I mean every guy that I know that I played football with that was of a certain background, most of them thought that they could do three things, rap, look cool, and jewelry, and played basketball. And the truth is none of those things were true. They could just play football. I mean, our best basketball players were usually the guys who played quarterback because they were tall and they actually had played high school basketball.
Now it's an amazing story. The whole thing, LeVar is amazing.
And there's so many different avenues to take it, and I think that there's a lot of social commentary that comes along with it. That you know, if you feel a certain kind of way about a certain kind of thing on one way or the other, you can find something about this Shadeur's story and make it a platform and attack others. I think it happens all the time in sports these days, which is really unfortunately sort of lost our anonymity.
With the political world, and people use these stories.
Look at what happened to Saquon, right, what's your take on that? I saw?
You saw like they're attacking Saquona. People are attacking Saquon, Like I just don't understand why a man can't live his life like you can have your own political views and personal feelings, but why are you projecting that on the like we don't like like Petros, you don't have to live for somebody else, Like you don't have to give validation from somebody else.
If my daughter wants to go to the Trump golf course where they stamp the Trump name on the burger, and she likes the way it looks because she's nine. I'm gonna take her. You know, I don't care what somebody on the Twitter might say. No, I'm I think you did a great job of being a little bit more I guess just reasonable with his explanation as to what he was doing.
I like, if he's not there, have a problem like, Okay, you're inviting people like be.
Upset at that you're upset that he's there.
No, I think you've come to a point where there's a group of people who they're gonna think that you're evil if you deal with uh, with the guy who they elected president, and that's not I don't think that's right either. It's obviously a hot button topic for a lot of people because some people are just absolutely and totally, just gutturally opposed to anything that that guy does, whether it's good or bad. So that that's a tough story, and I hate the fact that athletes get sucked into that. But you know, there is a bigger There is a bigger picture when it comes to the Shador thing, just as far as him being not being drafted high or anybody in a professional league, whatever that league is. And you understand better than anybody else talking the pain in the ass factor on one side of the scale, and then the other side is how good is this guy? How much can he contribute? And once that pain in the ass factor starts to outweigh that, how.
Good is this guy and they're going to take you.
People don't stick around very long, right, you know. I mean I think about Yasiel Puig, one of the biggest stories that I've covered, when since we've had the Dodgers, he disappeared every day. What's PLEI gonna do? What's ple gonna do? What did look at the face he made? You know, but he'd show up late and this and that and that was publicly. Privately, you know, they couldn't get him to come home at night. You know, they they they were struggling.
It didn't granky like throw his stuff off a bus.
Yeah, I mean they had a lot.
Yeah that wasn't a book, and they struggled. You know, they had a mentor living with him, all this stuff. But the second that his performance dropped below all the stuff you have to do to keep this guy around because he's a pain in the ass, he was gone. Kaepernick, t Bow, I mean, two different sides of the same coin. The second your story becomes bigger than what it's worth for the actual team.
They get rid of you, you know, whether it's right or wrong, they get rid of you.
Who else Johnny Manzel, you know, I mean it just goes on and on. This is a professional league. So that part of it that made a lot of sense to me. One thing I thought that was funny was my radio partner was like, you know, what do they got.
Louis Vuton trunks in the corner for what is that? Why do they have those just stacked up? You know? And I was like, those are like fifty thousand dollars a piece. And he's like, yeah, why do they have those? What is this?
And I was like, well, you know, it's actually quite interesting. I mean, Louis Vuton. If you're gonna have Louis Vauton stuff like, that's the most authentic thing you could have, because that's what Louis Vauton actually made. Louis Vuitton was a poor carpenter type. He was an artisan. He walked the seventy or whatever it is miles from leo Own to Paris, taking odd jobs on the way, and he became a guy in Paris who made really bougie traveling trunks for rich people who travel on boats and trains and stuff like that, where people would use a big ass trunk and be gone gold. Yeah, months and months and months, and those trunks. That's what Louis Vauton made for like a hundred years before you know, they started making sunglasses and hats and purses.
And all the scarves and all the other stuff.
So I thought the Louis Vuton trunk choice was was a very classy choice, you know, in the and then we found out what was in it.
Straight cash, gray cash, you know, the words of the great Tony Bruno, that's beautiful, Louis Vuitton knowledge man, beautiful man, beautiful.
I will say this though I don't know, and the honest question, I don't know. If the cash is in the trunks, could buy the trunk. Yeah, those sixty thousand bucks really, Oh they're beautiful. Yeah, you know, they're like they're really like, you know, it's like buying a piece of furniture.
I think people would say that. And Shdor's got two just scattered in the corner filled with.
Cat Yeah, they was opening them bad boys up.
Yeah, it's not from Cleveland cash, but it's Cleveland it's cash Petros.
Uh, before we let you go, you got to call your shot here. When the Lakers get eliminated by the Timberwolves, what are you.
Talking about there? Think that the they'll have the refs help them out.
Well, I was gonna say when they do tonight. When they do, it could be tonight, it could be game six. But when they do, first excuse you'll hear from the Lakers about the loss will be.
What, oh, we didn't have time to develop.
They might throw JJ Reddick under the bus because you know, there's a reason nobody left their whole team out there for the whole second half ever before ever. You know, it's one thing to be innovative, it's another thing to be stupid, like you're coaching a video game.
You know. Reddick's interesting.
Had he overcame a lot of the negativity and very honest negativity about him because he had no coaching experience coming into this, and he overcame a lot of that and drew a lot of praise from a lot of people that were criticizing him. But the second the playoffs has started, he's really shown his ass. I mean, they got they were getting beat up in that first game, and they do those in game interviews, you know now, and he's like, listen, you know, we we're just getting beat. This has nothing to do with schematics nothing. It's like you said it like three times and it's like, okay, dude, we get it.
You don't want to act like you're being out coached.
Whether it's true or not, it just seems like he's he's got huge rabbit ears and I just can't stand listening to him talk. And he's That's probably where they'll blame it. They'll probably blame his lack of playoff coaching experience, or they'll say, well, this team just wasn't very built very well for the playoffs, and Nico's.
Gonna have a little victory lap.
In Dallas, right of course, and he deserves it.
Every year, you know, the Clippers were looking good for a second there. Yeah, and they're still alive. But and I guess they're they're in better shape than the Lakers, right, Like I guess you could say that.
And every year people are like, this is it, pee, you know, come on.
And every year I won't get on the boat and I stand in the breakwater and I watched the Clipper ship explode in the harbor.
Yeah, yeah, it's too bad.
It really is.
It's really too bad this year.
It didn't even take Kawhi's like leg falling off. It's just happening.
He's been great, Kawhi, it has been great.
It's just you know, they just can't win. James Harden has vanished the last couple of games. But Petros, we always appreciate my ex at the old Pe. He is the great Petros Papadakis, the co host of the Petros and Money, which you can hear on at the Blowtorch, a M five seventy l a Sports Fox college football analyst and a man who brought the knowledge about Louis Vauton here on the show.
Yeah, appreciate it, Pe. I have stacks of Drachmas in my Louis Vauton. Hell yeah, I have a Louis Vuitton wallet.
It's not filled with very much money.
Well, listen, maybe we'll u that's a that's a holiday idea. Maybe for Christmas we'll we'll line you up with something. Yeah, for all these appearances, thanks Petros, so they the great Petro spapadegus with us here on Fox Sports Radio
