2 Pros and a Cup of JoeWednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, boots are on the ground for the JamesHardie Pro Football Hall of Fame Invitational. The Tush-Push talks get tabled in the Annual Meetings. First-Ballot Hall of Famer Calvin Johnson stops by and The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks Dodgers hot start to the season, Colorado extending Deion Sanders, Val Kilmer passing away and movies after the club.
This is the best of two pros and a couple Joe with Lamar Airings and Brady Winn and Jonas Knots on radio.
We do have some boots on the ground.
Brady Quinn is at the James Hardy Pro Football Hall of Fame Invitational in Boca Raton, Florida. It's at the Old Course at Broken Sound. Now, what's what's the scene like and what are the expectations for you when it comes to swinging the clubs this week.
I just hope to make contact at this point.
But no, Yeah, down here at Boca Raton, excited about the opportunity. I have no idea what I'm doing here but get to broadcast the show live. Hopefully we can find maybe a guest or two to come by and talk before they tee off today. But it should be a beautiful day.
It is. It's still dark out.
There's just a bunch of people moving around trying to set everything up today for a lot of the Pro Football Hall of Famers.
But pretty cool event.
He used to be the tech event and then James Hardy now is taking it over. And then you'll know the name Hardy if you've heard of like hardiboard. No no, no, no, no, no no, not that that's spelled different to ed hard is what you're thinking. That's with a y hardy with the d I E. It's like HARDI board. For those of us who grew up like in construction, all that Dad's building homes, all that, you know, boots on the ground, Johnson, you know what I'm talking.
About, LaVar.
I don't know that you've ever really worked any you know, anything like that before I worked construction, did you?
Sorry?
And you know what hardyboard is?
Would you?
It made me decide that I needed to make it playing ball, because there you go, I wouldn't have made it. So yeah, I don't think I stayed long enough to learn anything about any manufacturers or anything like that.
Q I just I was in and out.
I stepped on I stepped on and nail and that was it.
You know, that was it?
Yeah?
That was it?
Man.
Yeah.
I had half my technis shot.
You know that happened.
I had still toes on some lugs. I had some lugs still toes on and I still got to nail him my foot. But anyway, so what are they tell me? What they are? What type of product.
James Hardy is like the biggest brand of like sighting saying you put on the house.
Yeah, I got it, got it.
So but he's taking up the tournament now it's a senior PGA Tour event.
But the cool thing is you got a ton of pro.
Football Hall of famers, a lot of other former players here as well, all playing over the course.
Next two days. So it would be a fun event.
Good time hopefully chopping it up talking a little bit of football but also playing a little golf.
Well, I know where they're talking some football. By the way, how close to you to the owners meetings where Pete prisk.
I am thirty minutes south.
I have actually not even given any thought whatsoever to hitting up Pete to try to grab a drink at some point, mostly because he'll probably just try back home.
I bet he was up there for one day and one day only.
Well, I mean it was pretty momentous yesterday. We had all sorts of stuff coming out about different change is what's going to be happening with some of these proposals that are out there. The one that's gotten the most genera or generated the most buzz is the tush push and what the plan is when it comes to the tush push, the owners have tabled it, all right, we have tabled the discussion. We are going to pick this thing back up at these spring meetings in May sixteen. Teams are in support of the packers proposal to ban the play. Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL, spoke about his thoughts on the potential banning of the tush push.
He was there at the owner's meeting yesterday. Let's take a listen.
I think there are safety issues that are being considered in that case. We have very little data from it, but it's beyond data. There's also you know, there's the mechanism of injury that we study, that type of thing that leads us to show the risk involved with a particular player, particular tackle. There's a lot of discussion about going back to the previous rule, back to two thousand and four. The reality of it is, I think that makes a lot of sense in many ways because I get expands it beyond just that single play. There are a lot of plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that are not in the touch push formation that I think do have an increased risk of injury, and so I think the committee will look at that and come back in May with some proposals.
So there we was the two thousand and four rule.
What was it like, they outlawed it. They out were you.
Weren't Yeah, you weren't allowed to push a runner. There you go, So that whole dragon here you go, go back to hell.
Yeah, not just the touch like, here's how you get around it just being identified as the touch push rule.
It should be the push pull rule across the board.
You know, It's funny. I saw somebody make the comment.
I didn't even really think about it and realize, like, damn, that's how USC beat Notre Dame when when Q was in school, the famous the famous pool or push by by Reggie.
Bush push right, I'd buy a Notre Dame getting points.
I was fine either way.
That just to me, I just don't understand how that became commonplace. And I know, like I saw I saw two ten uh and a couple of people like that were offensive minded guys, you know, make comments about you know, me saying this that I don't think that you should be able.
To push or pull a pull a.
Guy, whether it's the touch push listen you want to do the touch push, you got to figure out how your quarterback can push the toush of the linemen in front of them. That's the only push you should get. And you're the ball carrier. But if somebody else is coming to assist to push the back and pull the back or the ball carrier, and they're pushing the back to other guys to make the at work, I just don't.
That's not football. That's not so let me just get this straight.
You are not a fan of the assistance of tush pushing, is what you're saying.
Don't. That's that's correct? Is that an is that on the field? Off the field? Like, where exactly does that stop with him? Damn uh?
Well, I would say if it's off the field, certainly outside of the locker room.
You know.
I'm sure tush pushing what may make more sense once I leave the locker room. Yeah, probably that's where it starts for me, And as soon as I go back towards that locker room, it stops again, and then that that process repeats itself.
That's what That's what I would say. Yeah, Because here's here's what it says.
I really don't have to be Okay, maybe what you're doing should be Yeah, it could be illegal in some states.
I don't have an issue really one way or another.
I think what's interesting about it is where we're working on the idea that it is a safe play. I watched the plan like, man, you know, and you hear like Jason Kelson to be miked up, like moaning underneath the pile every time they'd have to do it. And I'm thinking to myself, like, there has to be eventually something that's going to happen that's going to be tragic. I mean it just you've got three hundred pound plus men lunging at towards one another with their head and neck in a position that it doesn't look like it's going to be safe. And who was the Washington Commandos player who was jumping over the pile.
Yeah, Louvo, Frankie Louvo, and like that.
That's the way that teams try to stop it. That's not safe either. So I guess i'd just say this, if it's a competitive and balanced thing, I could see that because it's been really successful. Although I would go as far as saying the team that introduced the idea to ban the play the Green Bay Packers. What's ironic about it is they were incredibly successful with the quarter back sneak. Eighty percent of the time they converted on quarterback sneaks last year. Problem is then around like sixteen of them, so like sixteen percent of the time in their fourth and one situations roughly somewhere in that category. That's that's all the quarterback sneaks they ran. So you know you're banning a play at least at this current juncture because of the competitive imbalance, meaning like it's just it's a foregone conclusion they're going to get the first down. And the problem with that is is if you look at some other situations and other plays, you will see the same competitive imbouance. If it's fourth to one, obviously the offense is going to have a greater likelihood of getting it. That's why so many teams have dipped in the analytics and why they're going for more fourth than ones, regardless of the field position.
So to me, and I.
Said this the whole entire week, I'll keep saying it has to be a player safety issue. It hasn't. We haven't had that injury yet. But it's a small sample size. You know, the tush bush hasn't been around that long. And the concern for me is this is typically how the NFL works. They're react, if not proactive, and eventually there's gonna be something that has happens that's tragic and we're gonna sit there and all watch it and go, oh, there it is. Do we have to wait till that moment to get rid of the play?
I'll say this, and thinking about the play itself, people say, well, how do you stop? Oh well, they should start pushing too, like it should be like literally like almost like a scrum.
Right. The problem to me is is.
That and doing that, the advantage clearly goes all the way, all the way in favor of the offense. If if you're turning this into a scrum situation, because you could play action, there's a whole lot of different variations you can do off of the play. Now, is that fair? Is it not fair? I don't know, but I just I just wonder. Will defensive coordinators say, you know what, we'll take our chances on. We'll take our chances on if they pull the ball out and try to get to the outside or do a pop pass type of play action play. But we are going to fight fire with fire, and we are going to interiorly with with our front seven. We're going to push like I would do a toush push personnel grouping where I send in instead of having linebackers, I'm going to send in three more defensive linemen.
And just like we used.
To push through for field goals, Just like we used to push through for field goals that they outlawed, we're going to start pushing in the A gaps and the B gap.
Yeah, but don't you feel like now you've got way too many pushing of tushes in difference, it's a whole lot of ass pushing into the gap and not to me, mind your own gap.
I listen.
The bottom line here is is if you do get to the point of where the tendency is, we are going to fight fire with fire. To me, now that's where you're getting into the idea. Somebody's going to get hurt really bad. It's gonna look even goof here that it already does, because you're gonna have fat boy on fat boy like like will take We'll take three hundred and six hundred pounds plus of two people for your gap to your what three hundred pounds and are running back or tight end or you know, whatever it is that's going to push into your back while the quarterback tries to run through it. Right Like, at the end of the day, if that's all you're going to do, and we know that this is what you're going to do. Problem is is that once you start putting those type of personnel groupings in to create a scrum.
You just audible out.
You just audible out, like you don't have anybody I could cover our skill guys, so you audible out and then now I guess you got to call time out.
Now.
That's like you're in a boxing match. You're you're, you know, trying to gauge the distance between one another, and you start getting booze from the crowd, right Like, think of that exchange. They come out, boom, touch push formation, defense comes out, they line up, boom, send in touch push you know or have touch push personnel in. They look at it, they call it audible, the defense sees it, they call time out. Now you got to go do it all over again the same sequence.
It's just a lot. It's a lot for a short yardage play. It's like like can we at this point.
I just at this point, I'm over it, Like, all right, let's just get rid of it, Like, let's just get rid of it. The pushing and pulling that we've talked about, to where for some reason it's allowed, where an offensive lineman can drag a ball carrier over the line of scrimmage or over the goal line, and that's just accepted. If they want to go back to the whole things, I think their idea is as opposed to attacking just the one play, let's let's adjust back to no pushing pull This applies to everything.
Yeah, no pushing and puling.
And I think Sean mcva even said it, you know, yesterday or the day before where he said, look, I told Philly because he's part of the competition committee, I don't want it to feel like we're attacking them. It's just it's the optics of the play. There's something larger that needs to be done, and if it means taking away all of it, then just take away all of it, and then it should.
Have never been allowed. That's that's a habit that that's.
Something that they relaxed on and it became part of the game.
It should have never happened. And again, like I said, one thing.
That really really gets on my nerves is when the announcers are like, oh, look at them, look a determination. Oh my, look at that leg drive meanwise feet ain't even on the ground. Some people just want it more like no, people just have the determined look at the grit.
Oh my goodness.
You just still't want to give any credit whatsoever to the quarterbacks on Oh you can't give them any credit.
That's running backs and receivers like, oh, my goodness, he catches the ball. Hey wouldn't be denied, Like what y'all see that lineman grabbing it.
I'm on the other side of this now. I think I'm on the other side now. I'm rooting for this play to stay around, just to the defense, just to lear on the defense can keep bitching about it this.
I mean, I'm just saying. I mean, I just say.
I think if you're gonna allow guys to get pushed and pulled, then then do the same thing for the defense.
When we push and pull you back.
If you haven't blown the whistle, line that ball up where where to play ends.
When you blow that whistle, that's where the ball is spotted. That's all you're trying to change forward progress for too.
If you're going to allow pushing and pulling, then you need to change the guy dang forward progress rule too.
You realize that.
May work against you because there's oftentimes where they stop forward progress, offensive players still thinks it's going and they blow the whistle dead. I'n just they feel like his momentum was stopped at that case. I know, I get it, I get it, but I'll take my chances on that. I'll take my chances. But now I hope it stays.
I hope it stays.
I hope you have to eat crow all right, and you have to deal with this play and the pushing and the pulling and the tugging and all the.
Tushies that you need to be pushing and.
Whew.
I just I would also like to know who the sixteen teams are that are on, you know, in support of the banning of the play, because something tells me Nick Sirianni is going to get a hold of those sixteen teams and they're going to devise something extra special for him.
If do you think stik In Gannon, Kellen Moore and any one of those three who are former assistants there. Do you think they are in favor of the band? That's what I want to know if I really just specific one of knows those three to see if they're trying to stab Nick Sirianni in the.
Back, because Sirianni did say, I know I'll get the support from those guys because they would they have jobs because of that play. Sirianni specifically said that, and he was kind of busting balls, but you could tell there was a little.
Bit of some truth to it.
Yeah, And so I would imagine they're probably going to be in support of him, and then obviously Sean McDermott's going to be in support of it because the Bills run it at such a high clip. And then after that, you know Green Bay going behind the scenes to garner support, you know, the banishment of the play.
Q made a point like they run it what sixteen sixteen times?
What is it? No? That was that was different. That was different.
So on fourth and one situation, Green Bay, who hasn't used the toush push, they ran on sixteen percent of their fourth and one situation a quarterback sneak and they converted on like eighty percent of those Yeah.
See, all right, So to me again, looking at it holistically, I just look at the play and it's like, it is it really that big a part of the game where it should be that big of a deal one way or together?
That's what I would say, Like, are.
We really going to say Philly won the Super Bowl because of the touch push? Are we really going to say that? No, because that would be the furthest thing from the truth, Like that would not be the reason why they won it.
Okay, But that's also like saying that that final play of the game was the only play that matter.
Because it helped them win the game.
Meanwhile, every other play before that still matters too leading up to that event, you know what I'm saying, Like, I understand what you're saying, but there probably were some pivotal fourth and ones or goal lines, you know, situations that led to them being in the position to win it.
I don't have a problem with that.
All I'm saying is I don't think that the play is a large enough part of the game itself to take a like, oh my gosh, like this is totally going to ruin Philadelphia moving forward, or any other team that would run it don't don't see it as that significant of a play, because LaVar, you were telling.
Me that you you know, it's not so much the play, like you love the name of the play, like you're kind of indifferent on the actual play.
It's just the name of the Why why is that? I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know why you feel that way. Tell me why I feel this way. Tell me why it's the name of the play.
I don't know.
You tell me what you're getting at. That's the part that you like. Tell me, tell me what. Tell me what part of this? Like what what? What exactly are you trying to know?
It's I'm just saying that you're you know what, You're just saying you don't like the actual play. Like in fact, when we threw out the name Brotherly Shove, like you stopped me and said, no, no, no, no, it's a touchbush like that that was really what you had holding in.
What's wrong with the Brotherly Shove.
Yeah, I don't think I'm okay with either one of them, to be honest, unless I'm the brother Brotherly and and.
You guys trying to tell me that there's an indifferent areas or different parts of the country.
It's called to me different tang. Saw what you did there?
Yeah, well, hey, let's go to We'll keep you posted. They're going to have this discussion again in May.
I mean, I said Australia. That's where to brother, Lisa.
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Brady Quinn, though, is in Florida and he's ready to golf, but before he golfs and before he partakes and going out there and shooting like fifteen under par at the boots on the ground coverage that we are providing for you here at the James Hardy Pro Football Hall of Fame Invitational in Boca, Florida, at the Old Course at Broken Sound. We are now joined by also a Hall of Famer, Calvin Johnhnson is with us here.
Calvin, thanks so much for the time.
Man.
Do you get nervous before you go out there and swing the clubs? Or is this you know just kind of.
No, I've embarrassed myself plenty of times.
That is.
It's an interesting question though, because again the elite of the elite in the game of football, and then you come play the game of golf and at times it's it's very humbling.
Oh ye.
And I think one of.
The biggest misconceptions too about watching professional golf versus you never see bad shots on TV. Like that's one thing with football is like you'll see some bad plays here or there, but in golf, like they only show the highlights. They never show the low lights of players for the most part. So the thought is like every PGA Tour player just stripes. It's that's usually not the case. But talk to us a little bit about just the event itself, what brought you here, and I just kind of you're excitement for it.
Yeah, I mean one of the big biggest things I'm most excited about is that, you know, I'm in Michigan, so this is like one of the few times in the New year that I've brought out my club. So being every get down here obviously playing it's event. Being to play with pros. Anytime you can play with pros, man, it's special just to be able to see them. Like you said, it striped the ball. For the most part, they do stripe it all the time, but you know, and then then you might have one or two shots that might beat them out during the whole course of the day. But that's just one or two out of seventy shots.
That's right. Megatron's LeVar Man. How you feel, Man? Everything good?
Very well, thank you. I gotta ask the question. It's one of the dopest nicknames that a guy could get, and to get it at the wide receiver position. Where did it come from?
Where? Like, do you remember the first person who called you that?
Where? What's the origin of the nickname Megatron?
So in two thousand and seven, the first Transformers movie came out, and uh, just during that year, Roy Williams just started calling me Mega Tron. That's Megatron. And then he's just finally stuck in after that second year. But I was calling me Mega Tron.
Wow, that's pretty dope.
So Roy Williams, Roy your teammate, Roy Williams, not Roy Williams, the Dallas Cowboy.
Roy, Yeah Williams ut receiver Yeah.
Okay, nice and y'all were y'all were Transformers. He was just as tall as you were, right, flyn Towers.
Out there, calv What's been the biggest now that you've been back to Detroit and had a chance to see how things are there now. The culture, what Dan Campbell's done with the front office has done what stood out to you the most as far as the difference between now and when you were there as a player.
I mean you spoke to it already. It's just the culture. You know, the energy around that building. People wanted to be there, Not that we didn't want to go to do our job when I was playing ball there, but you can you can feel it when you walk into the building and you see the smiling faces. People love to be there to do their job because there's a level of accountability. And with that accountability, you know people are able to overcome whatever obstacles because they know they're being held accountable to the job that they have to do. And I think that when you're able to overcome adversity like this team has done, like Dan has brought this team over the last couple of years, you know, from where it was when he got there to where they are now as a as a contender every year, there's that level of accomplishment right there. You know, that's what everybody sees. They know where they came from. And then with that, you know, the guys or you know guys come in there, you know, ready to do whatever they can to help this team, you know, get to you know, the where they want to go.
Calvin, I don't know what was it like when you found out you're getting the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Like, take me through the moment, take me through just I don't know your feelings, Like did you have a sense that you'd be a first ballot you're getting in right away? Did you have any sense of like how the whole process would work.
Had no idea, had no idea that I would get in.
I didn't think I would get.
In on the on the first one because everybody, you know, thing was out that I didn't play long enoughing like shooting. I mean I played a decent amount of time there, But just going to when I got inducted, I guess I was in the garage taking a late meeting and my wife was telling me the hey, our girlfriends here, come say hello or my family. Oh yeah, this is during COVID. Oh yeah, that's right. So it was during COVID. We were having family meetings or just because we couldn't see each other. So we would get on the call like every like once a month, and then is that time and during the month to get on the call and she's like, come on, it's time to talk. And I go inside get him to get on the call. And then I hear I guess my wife had my family young because she knew. And then I hear the doorbell rang. She was like, Oh, it's just just my girlfriend and her girlfriends who she said it was. She's rather a small figure and I looked at the door. It's like a damn bear. Hell no. I was like, let me go grab my pistol. She's like, first she's like, don't go get your pistol. I'm like, what do you mean you see what I'll see? She was like, don't go get you And then when she said it like a second or third time, I kind of like, let me go. When I walked to the door, open the door, and it's just a flush of emotions kind of just you know, instantly go back and relive a lot of those moments, you know, from you know, high school to middle school, high school, college, all the way up.
It's crazy refresh my memory on who the bear was at the door, because they usually have a teammate, but the guy that runs the Hall of Fame or whatever, he's a big fella and he's usually there at times.
Well, but who was the big figure? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it was.
You're not doing it with your teammates, but he's a big dude.
Yeah, all right, all right, So one last quick question for me and looking at where the rules are now in the game, and I mean you're not too far removed, but just looking at how things are done now, what what type of career, like, what type of yardage, what type of advantages do you think you would have in today's NFL versus the one you played.
In Man, Me and my receiver buddy were talking, you know, the guys I played with around the same time. He was just looking at looking at it now, like, dang, you can't touch the receiver in the first five yards. Now, I'm like, shit, I wish that was the case. I feel like I was dragging guys in the first five yards all the time, and then again then I guess they're playing a lot more attention to the contact after five yards, and I'm just like Wow, Like I feel like I was dragging dudes yards down the field, Like that would be lovely if I could just run geez.
Yeah, that's well.
Listen, Calvin, we know you got to get to it, man. We appreciate a few minutes of your time. Always good to catch up with a Hall of Famer And thanks so much for joining.
Us here on Fox Sports rading best to like.
There he is, Calvi, I just.
Hit a ball just now, didn't I is that what we just hurt?
Calvin Johnson with us here on Fox Sports Radio the Hall of Famer there maybe from the Detroit Lions, and uh yeah, it is a good point.
Yes, someone just did hit a bit. I believe that actually would Uh it might have been mark Ingram's group.
They made a good, good contact with it. I heard it, okay.
Good, It doesn't sound like that when I swung it. For some reason.
I'm sure you're having way more fun where you're at than where we are.
Bro.
You guys are more than welcome to come on out of flying at And I would do these types of things, would you if you let us know in advance? Okay, okay, And I'm trying to work on more of this stuff.
Yeah, I mean you're the one that gets invited to everything. Man, you got to invite us. I just had to Jonas other stuff.
Let me let me world there.
They said you couldn't wear salmon pants, and so then Jonnas immediately opted out.
I'm not gonna play by everybody's rules like I have my own rules.
They also said they don't allow vampires on that Yeah, in particular.
Excuse me, Sure there's gonna be sunlight.
Not for you.
No fangs allowed, not for your time. Dang.
It is like, because I've I've heard people throw out, man, what would Dan Marino like some of the other players, Man, what would they do in this new league?
Like you can't Like I've seen Dan Marino get planted, Like I've seen quarterbacks in that era of time get absolutely just destroyed. I'm talking and you get like three steps back then now it was coming to an end during my time, you got one and a half.
When I was coming through at one point.
I got two steps to go hit a quarterback after they released the ball.
Think about that. That was the rule.
You know what's really interesting about how football like you hear more of the old time players are the ones that are like saying, now, like I would have done this in today's NFL, would have done this in the NBA. It's always comparing the current players to the past players. It's like the other way around, and it's like, oh, Kevin Durant would have scored two hundred and fifty whatever points.
That against the Bill Russell in all right.
And you're like, wait a second, Like you don't think Bill Russell would have been able to dominate in today's NBA just because of.
You know the rules and how they were back then.
People need to go look up Wilt Chamberlain, like look it up like he was in now of it too.
All of it off the court as well. Yeah, like, well y'all mean all of it.
When y'all say he used in every like every ounce of what all of it distillt that's what they call him about that, that's what they called him.
Look up his athletic accomplishments. It'll blow your mind, Like he how strong he was, how he used to do the high jump with the one that you jumped over like you ain't. You didn't even use the whole thing you land on, like go over with your back, and this dude was jumping he was high jumping, like where you hurdle the high jump, like the old school way of high jumping. Dude's athletic ability was super ridiculously sick.
Look him up.
But anyway, a dude like Megatron, there's certain dudes that could have played in every every single era time. He's one of those guys, like I was a big fan of his his game, but he's one of those those just physical specimens that he could have. His his talent would translate in any any time that that the NFL has been around.
Bread Did you play against him in college too? Did you get was it?
Uh?
Because I know you guys played against each other in the NFL. Did you play in college too?
Yeah?
Who?
Uh?
You did? Notre Dame played Georgia Tech. Yeah, we played him in our our senior year. That in Georgia Tech.
I'm pretty sure my dad got in a fight, like in the stands or maybe before the game there was a uh those look the South knows how to party. It was a night game to open the season and they were rowdy and uh yeah, that was Calvin's the final year. I don't know if he was a I thought I think we were the same class, But it was.
A tight game.
They were a much better team that I think people realized. But uh yeah, I'm pretty sure Shopper got into it with someone at some point in time. So it was it was a pretty, uh hotly contested game.
What what year did you get drafted?
Oh? Seven?
Yeah?
Year, Calvin was the number two overall? Oh yeah, came out oh seven draft together?
Yep?
Okay, yep, seven draft when he had trained down in Orlando.
But we had cross paths a little bit, and I just remember, like, and I'm obviously seeing him, you know when you're playing against them, how you're I'm watching him because I'm admiring. Yeah, you will never see And this is I think one of the reasons why he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. If you asked any quarterback during his time who he'd want to throw to, they would have sent Calvin Johnson. And I actually think that's one of the cases that I don't know the people will hold that against Matt Stafford. But if you're looking at like the numbers for Matt Stafford, how prolific he has been. Don't get me wrong, He's a talented quarterback. He's got arm talent very rare in NFL history. But it also helped to have those two twin towers you mentioned in or two power forwards if you will, that were catching footballs for him and especially Calvin for such a long period, almost his entire career. So, you know, just watching him, especially when we know we play in the NFL, just going holy cow. I mean, you could throw a ball in a spot where only he could get it, and it didn't matter if they had two guys on him, because those guys weren't gonna able to elevate and jump and high point the football like he could.
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This Hey, by the way, LeVar, I saw Warren Sap. I told him you wanted to come on, and he turned around and walked away, So.
I understand he probably thought you were joking. No, he didn't like, hey, what's up. You know, in his mind he's like, if LaVar wants me to do to show, Leavar text me I'll come to the show like that, because he probably shortly. He probably has a dip into he didn't at that moment. Okay, but that's my that's my boy.
My home, it's your guy. Killers. Well that's because of you, that's he.
Didn't have you.
Well, that was the when he came up. We said, I to oh, wow, there you go. I don't know, uh, well I do know.
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Good morning, how are we feeling?
Good morning? Hello to everybody. How's it going good now?
Pee? The Dodgers are hot?
Yeah? Yeah, there? What is it? Seven and zero. Yeah. Historic, Yeah, they tied the nineteen thirty three Yankees. They're not going to go one hundred and sixty two.
And oh you don't think No, how close? I not close, not close.
Not close. But it's been a fun argument on the show. But yeah, they're really good and people in the city are excited. And where are you guys?
So you guys all have this are mom on location. I'm down in Boca at a.
What are you at? Like a like a convention? What are you doing?
That's right, a convention.
It's a convention for torpedo bats, which I wanted to ask you about it.
He's Dodgers Players.
US for torpedo bat.
No, it's that that's actually in Vegas at a certain time of year with the adult film industry.
But back to the question, Patrick, what is he does?
He doesn't want to tell you where he is.
Petro though, it's not that I'm trying to stay on track.
But pole have been asking a question.
I am at the James Hardy Pro Football Hall of Fame Invitational.
It's down in Boca its own. It's a golf tournament.
Correct, It's with the Pro Football Hall of Fame as well as the senior PGA tour players.
So there's a lot of people walking around, but they're not coming on the show. No they are.
Who's come on Calvin Johnson so far?
And then I talked to Warren Sapbell coming on and.
You're the producer, That's correct.
You have to like Brady Quinn, you have to humble himself and go ask somebody and risk rejection.
For Warren sat at least rejected me. Yeah.
Once I brought up, I said, hey, LeVar really would like you to come on, and he just turned laughed and walked away. And I was like, all right, well, I'm not sure really how to take that.
I mean, I know he's friends with LeVar, but he has he has a bit of a reputation for being unkind and public.
He's always cool. He's always been cool, honestly.
And actually, you know, i'll see him later on this year because he's coaching now at Colorado, so I'm sure we'll get a chance to talk to him then because you know, Fox will be had some games for Coach Prime.
But but yeah, no, it's a cool event.
It's helping to support habitat First Humanity, the regional hospital here.
Uh and a number of.
Charity Brady, are you doing wonderful work? And there's all kinds of swells and Travis Matthew polos looking swollen.
Yeah, walk be Dratty is actually the brand. But what yes, many many a Polos be dratty. I think it's pronounced. It's it's a golf brand. There's a thousand of them out there. That's like bad Birdie, yes, not to be confused with bad Bunny.
Okay, well that's they're all different brands. And I'm glad that I'm sorry to ask. I'm glad that.
You're you're good.
We've just unfortunately I had to keep mighty muting my mic because I'm right near the tenth tee and like the putting green and then the registration. So there's been some f box and some other words that have been dropped as people are kind of coming by back and forth.
But no, we've we're gonna we're gonna have like I think one a couple of guests tomorrow too, But we're just trapping the.
Los Hank Stram who's over there, like, uh No, it's it's been none of the Pro Football Hall of Famers.
It's been some of the rowdy group that's here to play alongside of.
The Hall of Famers. Now, are you going to get out there and play? Because I know that you've been known to get a little loose with it on the golf course.
That is true, That is true. I will be getting.
You know, your sample the special drink on the sixth.
You know what else?
What else Tullmore do or whatever? I mean?
You'll what about a transfusion? You know what a transfusion is? Petros?
Isn't that where they do an ivy like halfway through the golf because everybody's so.
The name of a drink to drink to drink?
Yeah, I don't know the cool polos. I don't know the drinks. I don't know that there was even an evendo.
Yeah, what is transfusion? What's the drink?
It's vodka splash of grape juice. When I believe, uh, there's a ginger ale soda or something like that.
Oh I do I do grapefruit with tequila, not vodka. Vodka is just can't.
Grapefruit with tequila is called a paloma. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Very popular in Mexico, in fact, more popler than the margarita. The ploma is a tequila with with squirt or some kind of bruit, some kind of grape fruit juice and.
C Yeah, you're right, Yeah, I love that.
Speaking of uh, you know, tequila and drinks in the West and all that stuff.
I'm interested in this transition.
Vou Kilmer. Yes, he's dead.
My Doc Holliday has gone.
I always thought I was Doc Holliday to Brandon Short being wider, and you know, now my my character has passed away. How do you feel about the passing of one, vow Kilmer.
Well, the thing, I mean, the crazy thing is is Doc Holliday wasn't even a character. He was a real person. Yeah, so right, Yes, they were both. Yeah they yes, Actually everybody in that movie portrayed by somebody. I think most all of them were real people or real people. Yeah. Doc Holliday was a dentist, believe it or not. Yeah, a dentist who became a gambler and a lunger. Died of tuberculosis and a branitarium, but also quick with the gun played by Val Kilmer in that movie. Many memorable lines. I believe he said that to Johnny Ringo. Uh but uh, those are very interesting stories and the Tombstone movie. I mean we all watched it over and over and over and over and over again in college because there was so many cool moments and it was interesting. Uh and historically accurate. It was a Greek director who made the Tombstone movie. But allegedly, uh Kurt Russell, who played Wyat Erb got like annoyed that the director was a mess. I guess and according to Kurt Russell, he is the guy that that kind of directed that movie.
Are you doubt Are you doubting Kurt Russell's story The Pride of Thousand Oaks, California?
You're gonna doubt Kurt Russell.
Patrick, No, But I'm Greek, you know, so I I used to like to tell everybody, you know, hey, there's a Greek guy that directed that movie Tombstone. And then his name was George cos cos Matos, and I think he died, but yeah, he was the direct Yeah, he died in two thousand and five.
Smells it's too soon, it's too soon.
Well that's right after he killed uh Morgan Morgan erp which I believe was played by Bill Paxton.
Which is a dope dude, dope actor.
I was always an Iclanton guy, Like, my favorite part is what he's in the saloon and what's.
Wrong with him?
Long longer?
Well, I hope you die, hope you die.
Now. He was played by uh, what's that guy's name? Michael.
Yeah, he's a good actor.
He's a guy, the hell of an actor. I mean that movie has Jason Priestley, Yeah, all people, Billy Zane, Charlton.
Heston, the Christ Dude, isn't it No, not the Passionate of Christ.
What is he from?
Pos Charlton Heston, the Robe, the Ten Commandments? Yeah, the Planet of the Apes, earthquake. Yeah, I could keep going.
Wasn't he imposse? Wasn't he?
Wasn't he like a cowboy im posse with It's possible. What's his name? Mario Van Peebles, Yeah, uh Powers Booth. You didn't get it?
Plays Curly Bill, which is great. I think it's Robert No. Who's the guy that plays Klan. That guy is really great. He's in the He's in the Gettysburg movie as well. But yes, for some days I'm watch it to well, I don't know what it was about the nineties and football players or baseball players are just boys in the nineties in college, we everybody had the VHS and Tombstone absolutely, and you know, it was like The Big Lebowski. Late at night, after you come home from the club and you have no girls with you, you got to put something on, and it was, yeah, Tombstone or The Big Lebowski for us. What I would like to do if there were girls that came home, I would like to put a video tape. Because we used to get videotapes of John Robinson, our coach who passed away this last year. He would send us videotapes in the off season of him teaching different run plays, just going through.
Power, going through.
I would put that onto television.
Oh yeah, we put it on on mute, you know, and Jay Robinson, you know, and he's doing his thing, and we would just have that on in the background, you know what I mean, just to kind of you know, it's like putting an anime movie on in the background in the club. You know.
You know what movie we used to play?
Gummo? You remember Gummo?
Yes, with the bathtub. That's very odd, very but the nineties were a terrible time, isn't that. It's really a super.
Weird movie Gummo, like it's a town in Xenio, Ohio. My mom went to school in Xenyo, Ohio at Central Central University. But the like The Life After the Tornado tour through there or whatever weird ass movie. They were like catching cats and putting them in trash bags and stuff like that.
We used to put that.
On, like we'd be in there drinking and hanging out with the opposite sex.
And we all watched the program and went in late in the street.
You know what, were you there the first because you had to gone the first night it came out. You do know that, yes, because they changed it after the first night.
And the craziest thing is, yeah, how many people got froggered?
Well, a whole bunch of teams.
A whole bunch of teams went to go see it because it was right before season.
If you remember it, Petsyah came out.
It was right before football season, and everybody was going out and laying in the street.
It's a good movie for backups. That's the only way you got on the field of line.
She ain't lying.
Oh that's terrible.
I heard about how people was getting ran over, like, yeah, you're up Petro's do you.
Do you have a favorite Val Kuber movie? Is it to him Stone? Are you more of a Heat guy? I always liked Heat? Who Heat is good?
Yeah? Stephen Lang, by the way, is the name of the guy that played Ike Clanton. He's an unbelievable actors. Stephen Lang looks nothing like I mean, you look at him and his picture and he looks nothing like the I Clinton that we saw in the movie. My favorite valut Well, it's not The Batman, which sucked. I saw a terrible movie where he had like a Bad Heart, a romantic comedy with a girl in theaters, Marisa Toomey movie with him that was bad.
Oh no, I think that was Christian Slater.
Oh damn.
That was called Untamed heart.
Man corrections in retractions.
That corrections and retraction.
I mean the Doors was pretty sweet. I mean, people forget what a big deal the Doors movie was, and that you had a bunch of fourteen year olds in the nineties walking around singing, come on, maybe take a chance with like. It makes you wonder, like in ten years, are they gonna make a movie about like Scott's stapp or you know what I mean? Like we got a Doors movie about Jim Morrison and that's that's kind of interesting. They're building a Jim Morrison bridge in Paris. By the way. You know, he really didn't die.
In the bathtub, right, No, where did he die.
I think he died on a toilet of an overdose in a Paris club.
Isn't that how Elvis went well?
He died on a toilet in Graceland.
Isn't went well?
No, he shot him his own head.
Off the restrooms in Europe or unisex too, by the way.
Yeah, water closets, yes, Brady? Are you going to ask for anybody else? Brady? Are you just going to ride it out for the rest of the show and live to fight another day?
Well, we had you on Petros, which we always do, but I'm not even.
You know, I might as well be a caddy at that event, Like, who I mean, come on.
Petros if you want me to finished talking?
We we didn't want to bump you, so we wanted to keep you in this spot and not overwhelmed the show with just straight guests the entire time.
So no, we're done for the rest of the show.
All I heard was Calvin Johnson and and and ignored by Warren Sapp who.
Else would have been on the dock in Marshall falk I just said a lot to Tim Brown, come on.
Tomorrow, another Colorado coach. Yeah, but his opening season speech left a little something to be desired for me.
Yeah, but what was it missing?
Didn't you see it? They put it on Twitter and all.
That, Yeah, they did, They put everything on Twitter.
But well, you know, usually when you talk to the team, you used to be private, you know. But at Colorado, what they had the guy last year or two years ago who was the Minnesota head coach. He was like, stand up, remember that?
Yeah?
Yeah, did your chest? There was that guy? All right? And then Marshall's topic. What did Marshall fall say, Like, I'm Marshall Faulk. You can google me. And then he's like, you know, all you need to give is effort. Effort is the only thing. You know. He gave some generic thing. Its very very similar to what I would do if I was hired as the running back.
Yeah, google me, google me two things. So we're not trying to overwhelm our show with guests. But that being said, we've got more coming on tomorrow. There's no one here between six and seven yet, so that's that hour is basically just us talking.
But what I want to ask is in regards to.
Colorado, since you're on that topic, is this year going to be more of like the test to see truly if the progress.
And coach prime is actually taken effect in Colorado?
Well, what's the test? I mean, they tried to make Colorado football relevant, and they've made Colorado football relevant. You know, in the first year, it was you know, not very impressive, but there were some great moments, especially to start the year off, and some exciting games. I mean teams that play air raid and run around and don't play much defense in that first year, you know, they lead to some exciting get Stanford had that crazy comeback and all that. And then last year, I mean they didn't beat anybody that they were not supposed to beat kind of, but they they improved. They did better their defensive line. You know, warren sapped great interview was you know, they improved. They did some things that people did not think they could do, which is look a little bit more like a complete football team. Now, did some of the stuff that bothered them or ailed them the previous year come back the second year, Yeah, did, But at the same time, I mean, everything that they went out to accomplish, I don't know if they could be any more pleased with the higher they made at Colorado because it's done what no one thought could be possible, which is Colorado football relevant. Again, They're just they just weren't even close to being that, and so in that regard, I think they've done a great job. I don't think that we're ever going to talk about championships in the Big Twelve for Colorado under Diona. I don't know. Maybe we will. It's pretty wide open league, but no, I think you're right. I think the referendums on Colorado to see what it's like without his kids and Travis Hunter and a lot of the shiny new toy that is Colorado. I mean, we're starting to get used to seeing Dian on the sideline. We're starting to get used to the baby on the sideline, the different sunglasses, the machinations of T shirts and sweatshirts and things that they sell. I mean, all of that stuff is going to settle like a soda, and then we're gonna have to drink the drink and if it's if it's if it's digestible, and they're competitive. I think it'll be fine. But if they fall to pieces, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what's I mean. It seems like he's got a great thing going there and they love him, and of course he's just got an extension, which doesn't mean much. But at at at after a few years, if they're not super relevant, I mean, what's his next move going to be? You know, maybe the NFL. Maybe he doesn't want to do that. I'm not sure, but he certainly has done a lot better than I thought he was going to do in the second year.
Patrice, what do you make of the situation as Stanford? Obviously Troy Taylor's out last week. Now they're bringing in Frank Reich. He's just this.
Yeah, and Andrew Lucks got a history with Frank, Yeah, right through through the Colts. But and Andrew lux in charge now. And it's it because, like I think about college ball in a certain way through the spectrum of when I played in some ways and just knowing that the teams and the people that I'm around and none of them are like Stanford. Like Stanford is the most unique school that we would cover or go to, you know, Stanford is the most like you feel like they don't want you there. Like when the game's over, you feel like when you leave the booth, somebody's going to come in and sweep up like they are. You know, they're very exclusive. Do you guys get that feeling if you've ever been to Stanford?
To my yes, I mean I would describe it as this.
It's the one place that they worry about players going there for the education and not the athletics, right quitting the football team. Yeah, well there's that, But I'm just saying, like talking to David shawback when he was there, and then some of the concerns you'd hear is they would literally be concerned about guys who just want to take advantage of the brand and education and it could care less about football.
Well, if you think about it like this, I mean, Stanford's a place where it's really hard to get in as a football player or anything. So I mean, once you get into Stanford, you've won seventy five percent of the battle in life. I mean, you can drop a class to what Brady's saying on the day of the final and not getting incomplete not have it work against you. So if you're in a full scholarship. I mean, you could take every class in the world at Stanford and fail them all and never have it and never have it count against you and take twelve units. I mean, of course they don't have anybody like that, because they're all such accomplished people. But anyway, I preface the Stanford thing by saying, was Troy Taylor really that much of an a hole? Or is Stanford just that sensitive of a place? And I mean I remember Stanford under Jim Harbaugh and what he got away with there, which wasn't murder, but I mean probably within Stanford standards it would be. And Jim Harbaugh did an unbelievable job massaging that admissions department and making sure that he got the people in that he wanted. It wasn't like he was bringing in the thuggish, ruggish bone or anything, but hey, it's the Fugger's Roger's ball. But but you know, he got some guys in that that maybe some previous administrations and post administrations could not. So it's always baffling to me how Harbaugh could figure it out. I mean, you mentioned David Shaw Brady. We were all in a lot of meetings with David Shaw. There was no secret as to why he fits so well there. He had a really great demeanor. I don't know Troy Taylor well. I mean I knew him back in the day when he was coaching at fulsome high school with a little quarterback named dan O Graves. I think that was Troy Taylor. I mean, he's he's been around a long time.
Did he have Jake Browning?
That's right, he was up in Washington. Dano Graves was a different guy.
But you know, hey, can I tell you the one story he told me when he first took over the job of Stanford and we were sitting at like the patchwor of media day out in Vegas, and I kind of just asked him, like, what's this philosophy? And he was just like, Oh, We're just gonna try to beat the crap out of every team.
And I was like, oh, okay. He's like yeah, I mean think about it.
He's like, you know, most you know teams, they kind of go in and they play situational football.
And he's like, no, no, no, we're.
Gonna be up tempo, we're gonna spread, We're gonna put a bunch of points on teams. He's like, look, the games you win, you know, easiest ones are the ones you blow teams out. And I was like, yeah, I've never heard of coach say it like this, but like, isn't that always the goal and objective?
Right?
Like we want to make it points. It's like, I want to be comfortable. It's that easy, guy, We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna win three games in the ACC.
Well, and here's the thing is, it was such a change of philosophy from how they played under Hagball and Shaw, where it was like we'd run the football, grind it out in defense, and everything else that went along with it.
At the end of the David Shaw years, I don't think people realized just how bad they got. I mean, and they would have draft picks, you know, almost every year because Stanford Stanford, and they all due. But man, they got really bad. And so I don't really know, Brady. I don't know if Troy Taylor was really an a hole or if he was just an a hole by Stanford standards. But either way, Frank Reich, the guy that orchestrated the greatest playoff comeback on the history of the NFL is now the headman at Stutford.
Damn right. Petros Papadkas, I remember.
Acting Joey Harrington once like who else recruited you? Joey stunfood?
Shut up, oh man, get him on X at the Old p He is the co host of the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on at the Blowtorch and five seventy LA Sports Fox College Football analyst our buddy every single Wednesday here on the show.
Pee, we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Protect your neck out there, Brady.
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