2 Pros and a Cup of JoeToday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap Black Monday that leaves lots of questions marks in Dallas, Las Vegas and Jacksonville. The trash talk is starting to get heated between LaVar and Brady ahead of the Notre Dame-Penn State Orange Bowl. The Browns face a worst case scenario with Deshaun Watson’s injury setback. Plus, NFL Insider Pete Prisco talks about the troubles in both CFB and the NFL, Black Monday aftermath and more!
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You know what's overblown?
What's that? Oh?
Damn Black Monday? Really over.
What?
But what to certain heard? It was blown?
Oh man, you really.
Would you like to elaborate?
LeVar?
It's just what I say. You had nothing to do with the bar far I don't know.
Oh yeah, that's a yeah, that's a little uh they say fluffle tang kerfuffle, yeah, not uh lock going.
On man, entanglement? Is that what you know?
Some people have had a field day with it. I'll tell you that I know.
I'm gonna say. It feels like in in certain circles it's making its rounds.
Oh they get its rounds, all right, passed around left and right. Oh wow, Well I saw what you did there. I did see. I did see what you did.
That's not what I'm no, I did see what that was not No, that's not what I meant.
Same jokes are being passed. Not in on it. I just I'm not in on that. Tang Wow. But let me listen.
You know who knows who knows happened?
Then get Away Day, I just get away Day.
Yeah, that's right, baby, the uh Crows and a Cup of Joe Bowl starring Notre Dame and in State coming up?
How you by the way temperature.
We are there it is that's the wrong song though, look the rain, Yeah better. It's very iconic. It is, it is. I mean, if you're being real, there's three fight songs and to me at least that I view as iconic. And it's Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, those three, Like I'm separated socia.
I'd say Notre Dame in Michigan. I wouldn't even put Ohio State in it.
Ohio State for sure. And they just have a really good band every year. That's that. They do have a great band. That's why they call it the best damn band in the land.
They I mean, they are but iconic. I just think that's that's noted. When you hear it, you know, yeah, when you hear Penn States, you know.
Actually, I don't if you played Penn States, I don't know. I don't. I don't know how States. When I hear it, yeah, you do, House States. And if you keep messing with me, I'm gonna say I don't know notre dames too. Don't act like that sounds like a personal issue. Don't don't act like it won't how the people feel. Maybe the people don't feel the way Brady Quinn feels. How about that? Maybe the people the way I feel. I'm I think you are the man of the people. I'm the man of the peeps. How about Okay? All I know is a deep based on what I sent you guys last night, I am convinced that is how LeVar flies. And I'm convinced that if Lee was right next to you, that.
It's one hundred percent how Lee would respond. That is one hundred percent Leewood.
It doesn't even know what he's clapping.
I just hey, he didn't know what the clapping was.
Them was cheeks, Lee, That wasn't everybody clapping? Dang hey, buddy, Lee woke up like anybuddy.
All Right, we do have a lot of sound to get to this morning. By the way, if we're gonna if we're gonna recap what was I mean? Look, I'll just try to transition before we get ourselves in trouble. It is a tough day to talk about yesterday. I think we can all admit that we've got friends who are in the business. It's tough on the families, it's tough on the players, it's tough on everyone involved because these sorts of decisions that happened, whether it's the New England Patriots and what Robert Craft did kneecapping, you know, draw Mail. I mean, just whether it's that, whether it's Antonio Peers who feels like he's still waiting to figure out what's gonna happen or maybe nothing's gonna happen. Mike McCarthy has been asked to interview for the Chicago Go Bears head coaching job, which there's a certain period of time in which the Cowboys need to make a decision and if they're gonna, you know, re sign him and extend him out. There's just all these things going on. But it is a tough day for a lot of people in the industry. Here are kind of scrambling, and probably no tougher than Doug Peterson, you know, as one of the head coaches that got fired and somehow Trent Balky survives, which you guys know how I feel about that. We've heard about what was interesting though, and Leah sent you the sound is listen to. Well, hopefully he got the sound. I'm not sure now looking at the cutscheet, but shod Cohn talked about basically with Trent Balky on a live stream, like what happens if a head coach doesn't want Trent Balky to be the general manager.
I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Okay.
We have a lot of things that are working that can always be improved and will improve, and there are other things that are not working that need to be fixed. As I spoke to you know, Doug even last week for a good length of time, you know, I just came to the conclusion what we were doing was not working and a change in direction was needed.
I mean, did he that doesn't answer the question that you posed. Did he say anything there that was sounded like AI to me? Honestly, people sound like artificial intelligence.
Maybe he's so rich, He's like, I don't want to do interviews anymore. I'm going that's what.
They says, yeah, type in the script, they read it out, and it sounded just like them as a uh.
Well, what what he essentially went got to at some point And I'm not sure if Lee didn't get the entire clip or for the answer it and that version is if you've got to hit well, I'm just saying I don't know what Lee did last nightly boy. All I'm saying is it sounded as if Shod con said he would not let Trambalki get in the way of the head coaching candidate that they want. Now that being said, Trent Balky is also a part of the process of determining here their next head coaches. So how does that work? It was exactly like, you're not going to the room, but Ben Johnson doesn't win Trent Balky.
It feels like the conversation around Trent Balkey is getting louder though that it now more and more people are starting to pick up with the Hey, you know, there's a common denominator here between the failures of the head coaching search and how this team has performed, and it's Trent Balkey. And I just wonder if maybe this is what Shod Cohn needs to open his eyes and realize, oh, yeah, this isn't working, dude, Like it's not. It's like nothing about this is working. It hasn't been working. And maybe this sort of gets the ball rolling in the right direction and Pete Prisco and company can keep you know, pounding the table for Trent Balkey's removal there in Jacksonville.
Seems like to me people call him for the man job. Tang which one's more important to hey, coach or to GM.
I think that coach. I mean, here's here's how I put that is, Ultimately, if you are graded or judged based off your on field performance, then to me, it's the coach because the general manager is not making calls throughout the course of the season as far as you know, what plays you're running and decisions you're making in game and all that. So they both have extremely responsible, you know jobs. But I think we look at it and say, well, if a team goes nine to eight, they're probably not going to fire their coach, and you know, the general manager still could be doing an awful job behind the scenes.
What if the general manager is doing a bang up job but you don't know he's doing a bang up job for the very very pieces of information that you offered, you know, I mean, like what if they are bringing in dope players?
What if they are how many how many teams do you know that have dope players though that like aren't playing well in the field.
I would I mean, I would say the crazy thing to that that that answer or to that question would be all of them have dope players, because I mean, you got to get into the league. So I would say they're all dope players. It's who who has the culture, who has the development, and who messages them the together the best. And so I ultimately I would say a GM maybe in some cases, I don't know in how many cases the GM is kind of the tone setter, even for the head coach, because if if the if the GM isn't setting a tone that is is one that that is I guess, mirroring who they are, then I don't know how the I almost feel like the GM is supposed to get a head coach that is an extension of who he is or she to that point, and so if you're getting some somebody who's an extension of you, then ultimately I would say it's up to that GM to put the players in front of that coach that you know he would be able to coach I say she at this point that they would be able to coach and get the type of results like almost like what maybe took place in Detroit. You know, maybe that would be a good example. Maybe I don't know, but I just feel like I do think that on a daily, a daily basis, the head coaches should be considered to be more important because they have to get the results out of who is brought in there. But if you're dictating who gets the job, if you're dictating who gets drafted and who is brought to your roster, I would almost say I would think that the GM would be considered to be more important, and they're the one that has more conversations with the ownership, Like they're like to go between and what's supposed to be the relationship.
Correct. I think it depends on the structure, right, Like some someone like the head coach goes directly to the owner, you know, sometimes they go, you know, to the general manager. Sometimes the general manager goes through the other and the head coach goes to the owner I know of. I've been in past situations where a general manager hired a coach and so the head coach went to the general manager and that coach went to the general manager, which was a little odd, and I think that's where you kind of see ripples in the way the organizational structure plays a role in all this. I think in a perfect world and I've always felt this way, like the head coach is more important because again you could, you could everyone's gonna look at your first round pick. If you had a first few, you know, a few first round picks, people are gonna go, Okay, it was a successful draft, Well have seven rounds? Like what do you do the rest of the draft? Like what do you do in free agency? You know, you look at some of these guys who spend for example, Ran Carthon, So Brian Callahan has been in Tennessee for one year, clearly not up to their standards, right, they're what three and fourteen? They have the number one overall pick now, and so if you're grading Brian Callahan based on the on field performance, there was a thought that is he safe? Maybe not, but you're going to make some sort of changes. And then you look at the result and you go, okay, well, Ran Carthon spent a bunch of money in the offseason. Would that amount to They obviously weren't able to do much, you know, in the draft to help support anyone on the roster. So in an ideal world, you have a head coach that's going to be telling the general manager, these are the players that we want. These are the players that we need for our scheme. I know some of my buddi who are a coach in the NFL have been in organizations where they will tell scouts, they will tell the general manager we need, you know, certain players who could do these things. And then when it comes down to it, the scouts give their evaluation and they just sent them back a group of players and they're like, have you watched film on any of these guys? Are are you just looking at measurable? So you just look at the combine their pro day results, because these guys can't do what we're telling you we need them to do in our scheme. So I always look at it and say head coach matters the most ultimately, and it's the head coach and quarterback who always are the ones taking the plane. I mean, think of a matter for this matter. Trent Balky's still there, He's able to survive all of this. Chris Ballard's still there in Indian then and move on from Shane Stikeen. But they fired Gus Bradley. Meanwhile, Gus Bradley's or excuse me, Chris Ballard's been there for eight years. They've never won the division in eight years. It's been a four year drought now of going to the playoffs. Half that time Ballard's been there. Shane Stikeen's only been there two years and they've been competitive with backups heading into the last week in the last two weeks of this season. So like that in a perfect world would be how you'd structure your team. And it's one of the reasons I'm bringing to light the shod Con situation because Jonas's point, you're starting to see more and more people say, yeah, this is a problem. This there was. It was rumored that last offseason, if there's gonna be an issue with Peterson they moved on, Balky was going to be an issue. And yet here we are Trent Balky's still in that position where he's somehow part of the part of the process of hiring that next head coach.
You got all you needed to know about the infrastructure there when before the season shod Con said it's the most talented roster we've ever had in the organization. Dude, you had a too well, yeah, part probably from his JA And I don't know if he if he recalls this, because maybe his brain's been removed and put into a robot. Now, but you went to an AFC title game, like you had Hall of Fame worthy, Hall of Fame caliber players within the organization, you made the shot.
Con I think, so, yeah, he helped him the whole time. Huh, I believe so? I mean, if not, who cares?
But the point is him making that comment. And Pete's the point on this before. It's not even close, man, well not even close. But also Henderson Stroud Howl him saying that, Mark Burnell, him saying that is him seriously, him saying that is him repeating what he's been told from somebody within the organization mccardor, which would be the.
GM Tony Brackens.
So yeah, that's not That's not the most talented team they've put out there by no stretch of any one's imagination.
Well right, And Leavar, you're missing his point like he's getting the information from Bulky, and Bulky's trying to.
Make a know I got you take the cat, No, no, I got my job, But yeah, I definitely got you.
But what what would be more alarming.
And and the fact that of me giving those names is that maybe Trent Bulky really believes that that's alarming. I would not like, I would be like, no, walk that one back. They walked that one back.
Man.
You know this, You know this organization had a team that that was playing against and standing up to the likes of like the Tennessee the Well where they still called it. They were they were the Houston Oulers back then, I would assume, and and the Pittsburgh Steelers, Like, weren't they all in the same division at that point? I believe, Yeah, I want to say they were. They were in the same division. Are playing playing each other twice a year, I think, right, the Steelers, the Oilers, and the Jaguars.
Is that true?
It could be all, but I will say this, they played some epic games. They're there, I mean Juggernaut games, and the Jaguars were in there. So if Bulky thinks that he put together the most talented roster that this franchise has ever seen this year coming into this season, and he believes that that is a alarming, that's alarming to even let your owner come out and say that based off of what it is that you've said, like that's cap all the way, big cap, big old cat.
Big cap.
Ah, Well this is a one cat.
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Oh what a sore subject?
Pun intended, pun intended. Oh, don't worry, don't worry. You're gonna get You're gonna get all of abdual Carter.
I don't know what that means. Yeah, how is he?
Uh?
How's you feeling?
By the way, have y'all been paying attention to his social I think it's been super awesome, tremendous what he's been doing.
I haven't paid attention to any of it.
So the very creative, like you know, like how they had to rebuild Anakin. They had him like in the little build him out like a tank, stuff like that. Had to like breed the mechanism on him and stuff, basically Darth Vader post.
Yeah, some Darth.
Vader type stuff like he's in you know, he's in the uh you know, he's in in the rebuild mode. So yeah, gotcha, good, gotcha.
It sounds cool.
He's a machine. Yeah, that's what he's going to be saying on Thursday.
A lot of trash talk. Did you ever? Did you ever play Notre Dame when you were at State? I did not.
I wish That's that's one I wish I would have got. I did not, though we didn't.
We got that one and we whooped your ass. Yeah, I don't recall you guys were a top twenty team, came to Notre Dame and got your asses kicked. So yeah, okay, Well Joe Patura remembers this because he talked a lot about that last time, so I said, yeah, I was like, we don't need to talk about it. Jay. I was like, I've moved on all right now. Some of us turned the page. After you kick someone's ass like that, you just.
Need to move on.
Damn.
Well, it looks like we're going to get some gift back. Then we're going to get some kip back this week. Man, y'all heard that out there Nitney Lyons. He said they kicked ass.
I think even Niitney Lions fans would admit that. And here's the terrible part is, I didn't even feel like I played that well. I missed a corner out in the end zone. I think that John Carlson, if I recall correctly, it's been a while, but I wish you could have that throwback. There's another one we had, like a little double. We had like a post corner post, and I remember I just I just if I would have let it go, I hesitated half second. I would have let it go. It would have been perfect, And instead I hesitated because we only got a couple reps during the week and I just didn't feel one hundred percent confident and being able to just like rip that thing. And gosh, god, wish I could have that one back too. I'm glad you didn't get it. Oh no, I mean we still to that like, yeah, we were fine. I don't want you to get it back, So I'm glad you didn't get it back. So let's go.
I have found the box score for this. I mean, if we're going to do it. Let's do it.
Brady Quinn. Uh yeah, not that great of a game man.
Twenty five of thirty six and eighty seven yards, three touchdowns, no picks.
He lit Penn State on fire.
No, actually it should have been worse. I'm telling you. I should have at least had four or five Who was on that who was on that team? And just some first round linebackers like Paul pus lesbi okay, I think was there? No, that was a good That was a good one. You guys had a cornerback safety pretty good too. Yeah. Yeah, I always had a d lineman too. You know, I think that was a MIAs. Wasn't the MIAs on that team? That was MIAs? We had?
Uh?
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Wallace I believe may have been in the corner that your That's what I'm talking about, good memory was a j or kJ Aj He is yoked to day.
How about uh Mark Marcus Freeman had a catch for two yards in that game?
Uh? He didn't play for No. Uh he played for Ohio State. But that was our tight end. Marcus Freeman free was up there still holding down Korean Durham. So yeah, stay free, stay free. Not Marcus Freeman played Linemacker at Ohio State. Yes, Jonas, you know it's okay. It's a good try, though, are you? Are you good? Jonas? I'm aware you're talking about I am aware.
Twelve carry seven, the hell of a back, hell of a back, big back too, big boy. Yeah, could run in. Y'all beat a really good team, bro. That was That was a really really good team.
Your linebackers were legit. You had Tim Shaw, Sean Lee their studs.
I mean, forty one seventeen, that's you know, kind of some garbage time points for Penn State there.
So it was actually a lot worse.
Well, there you go, nice Jay Alfred. That was the king that has absolutely nothing to do with this week. I'll tell you no.
It doesn't. Yeah, so it had make sure you knew that, just so people are clear.
And if we would have played Notre Dame while I was there, we would have whipped that like s.
Out of what years? What years would that have been?
I'm trying to overlap with ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine, So.
Y'all weren't even likes.
Y'all weren't legit back then, like we would have thumped y'all, Like I would have been done in the first half with y'all man, y'all would have had no one to block us, nobody. We only struggled with one team while I was in school, only one. They were in Michigan.
It was only eight. Team was pretty good. We would have.
We would have stompsh who was the quarterback y'all had like Tony Driver, Jerrus Jackson like that. No, no, no, that would have been no good, no boino, kind of like this year, no Boino. I'm gonna stop because I don't want to sound like Miami, you know what I mean, Because we're not Miami. We are Penn State.
And that's true usually mind me flops.
So yeah, I'm just talking. Yeah, you're right when they did, when they do all that trash talk, you're right, I.
Mean, And the reality is too. It's not like you guys have a great record versus top ranked teams, but those top ranked teams are the same exact teams.
Like I mean, granted, we added Oregon this year, but that's not there's no track record to that. There's no track record to it. You know, we don't really worry about We don't concern our with anybody else.
Just Ohio State, Michigan case. Yes, and they beat us every time. So what's that Once it's all right, we'll see what happens Thursday.
Well, you know who's undefeated, who tying, and we are broadcasting live from the tire rack dot com studios. Tire rack dot com will help you get there an unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road as a protection at over ten thousand recommended installers. Tire rack dot com the way tire buying should be. We got a problem. We've got another problem. The problem is in Cleveland with the Browns. The Cleveland Browns general manager Andrew Berry gave his end of season press conference yesterday and revealed that well old Deshaun Watson had a little bit of an issue at the end of the year when they were checking up on how his achilles was healing, and it sounded like this.
I did want to give an update on DeShawn yesterday. As we went through our normal player, you know, medical process, we did learn that he did have a setback in his achilles recovery. We don't have all the details and everything yet, but its obviously extend the recovery process for him. It is new information, just learning the past couple hours, So I don't have everything yet.
Now can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question.
For the amount of money that he's getting paid and you can't seem to find a.
Way out of the situation.
I mean, would you make sure that the doctor doing the surgery for the situation, let's extend this a little while longer so that we could kind of get from under this medically.
So here's the problem, though, is it doesn't really do anything for you for this. This is actually and could be one of the worst case scenarios for Cleveland for a number of reasons. And so this is the concern that I have is if if you are if you're done with him, and you're going to try to figure out a way of trading him, which he has a no trade clause, so he would have to agree to it, at least a no trade clause I believe through twenty twenty six, maybe twenty twenty seven. So if that was the case, it's not saying he cannot be traded. He just has to agree to the terms of the trade. That's the first hurdle issue. If you were trying to trade him the next part of it is, if you can't pass the physical, he's not gonna He's not a tradable last set, so that could potentially be out the window. The timeframe of all this makes it difficult too, given when he suffered the injury and when he's trying to come back from the injury. So it makes it difficult not only to figure out anything, whether it's release him and cut him, whether it's try to trade him, whether it's to see if healthy to be there on the roster in twenty twenty five. All this clouds Cleveland's decision making for this upcoming draft and this upcoming offseason. So this is quite possibly the worst case scenario for Cleveland at this juncture of the Deshaun Watson tenure as quarterback in Cleveland. And here's how the moneys will work. Okay, So let's say, for example, even though it's insured, it's only insured for like fifty one million. Okay, So let's say let's say, for example, he could never play again he medically is retired. And obviously remember that it was a twenty and thirty million, fully guaranteed deal. He did restructure it, but this is how it would kind of look, if he were to medically retire and they listed him that now or on like June second, his dead cap hits will accelerate on A twenty twenty five and the rest in twenty twenty six, which means you're going to still beginning the ranning ninety two million, which in that instance the Browns may say, like, we don't want to do that if he was to medically retire, because then that's going to crush our cap the next year or two. So they actually might keep pushing out the cap hits as they have within his current contract the way they were structured before this last season, all the way to twenty twenty seven, because that's going to reduce the hit So there's like literally no way out of this no matter which way you want to go. Medically retired, even if they cut him obviously again, he'd still have a huge dead cap. I believe the number right now for next seasons like one hundred and seventy two seventy three million, So you could split that up over the course of a couple of seasons if it was a post June one designation, but that would be an issue for them, and then who's going to trade for him. So let's say, for example, trade for him. Well, let's says, here's a here's the condition which someone would right, if you're going to take on the entire of that salary, so that team basically gets that player basically for free, and in exchange, you give up a couple draft picks. Right Like in that scenario, if the if Cleveland was willing to pay for Deshaun Watson to go somewhere else and play somewhere else, and maybe they get a pick back in return, but they're taking on all that Sally a Lah, the Denver Broncos and the Pittsburgh Steelers, if that scenario was to play out something similar to that, that that would be you know something that enough would makes sense because they could get something out of it. Right, But but why would He's not help a pick for him? But he's not healthy, so it doesn't it doesn't matter, Like if you can't pass a physical and he's not able to actually go and even play for that team, why would they want to do that just to bail you out if you're Cleveland. But I think there's a lot of owners around the league who look at Jimmy Haslam and say, you did this deal, you made this trade. You can lay in that bed. Yeah, we're not baliing like, no one's bailing you out of this.
No, and they can't because you set such a different you know, scale of how to measure and weigh in terms of payment. I mean, you can't touch it or show any type of support towards it, right, I mean, I just would have thought that if you if you're giving that much of a guarantee contract like what they do in the NBA, right that what they call it that and amnesty type deal and amnesty yeah, yeah, where you're like able to kind of write off the contract if it doesn't work out with the athlete, you know, and it's like the insurance covers it. I can't understand why you would only ensure for fifty million dollars against a fully guaranteed contract that gets gets you into the two hundred millions. I would at least go for for something in and around the hundred or something like that and take the payment on it. Because if any saying, if the kid ends up doing what he's doing, now we got a Tanya harding zim and we got to go hey and get out of this with with the insurance money man, like, we got to be out of there, Like you gotta get him out of here.
They're they're only insured I believe up to fifty eight point one million of the twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five compensation. Isn't sure, that's it? Okay? So again it's for the year. What would be the whole entirety of the contract?
It's able to finish out that I would be curious.
So here's the thing is, insurance sounds like a great idea in this case. Could you imagine the premiums Oh, how much it costs? So not only are you already paying him and you've already agreed to it, you're trying to take out an insurance policy that you're paying now on top. And the other thing is is like just as as it's hard sometimes for players who take out insurance policies to truly justify that like they can't play or they they should be awarded those moneies, because for whatever type of insurance it is, that if it's permanent disability, they can never play again, or even if it's partial disability, it's not as easy as everyone makes it out to be to get that insurance money. Anyone who's dealt with insurance companies, especially ones that like, for example, I live in South Florida, Go ask how many people who live in the west coast of South Florida or the west coast of Florida who have dealt with those hurricanes how hard it is to get money for the insurance policies after the storms came through. Like, it's just it's always how it is. It's incredibly difficult to be able to get those moneies back from the insurance company. And so it sounds like a good idea to insure it. But like, yeah, okay, let's go Insuran find a policy for one hundred and seventy million that's left on there. It's gonna be ridiculous. So you're gonna be looking at the payments going, well, I guess we I mean, like, why are we taking on the insurance policy if we're already paying them this much on top of it? Like, it doesn't It probably wouldn't make any financial sense when it's all said and done. Now, anyone from the insurance industry will tell you it does, because that's their business and they want to keep making money.
You know what, I feel bad for it's the fan and the coaches that have either lost jobs or have had to sit and watch this bad football team because of this deal. Because Jimmy Haslam still made money regardless of them being one of the worst teams in the league. He still makes money every time somebody goes to a game or buys a product or whatever. Like Deshaun Watson's getting his money no matter what, like he's getting his fully guaranteed contract, whatever he gets if he plays another snap for the Browns' is just on the roster, whatever the recovery time is, because he's probably gonna miss the entire season if he's got to have another surgery to repair whatever the issue was. And yet it's the fans who are having to watch this bag of craft and how many coaches have already lost their job not named Kevin Stefanski because Deshaun Watson can't figure it out and can't get on the field all because Jimmy Haslam paid whatever he paid to try and bring this guy in.
Those are the people that are getting screwed.
Here, like they like Ken Dorsey gone, o line coach gone, they just got there for there a year, like he just and Stefanski did this last year.
That surprised everybody.
If Deshaun Watson on the field and playing up to or even close to the two hundred and thirty million that he was guaranteed, people aren't losing their jobs. Fans aren't looking around going, oh this is great. This just set our organization back a decade. Potentially, Miles Garrett might be looking around to go elsewhere because they're spoiling a Hall of Fame career because they gave out two hundred and thirty million dollars to a weirdo who can't stay on.
The field against themselves.
Yeah, and they didn't need to, Like, they didn't need to.
They bid against themselves. Hey, Like, there's gotta be just at the.
Other week for LeVar erringtonightem? Did you I did? Yeah? I did? I bid against myself. What do you mean?
We were we were doing an auction for our nil for the collective and I bid and they they brought out an Errington item and I bid on it over and over and over again. Did you really looked around the room? I looked around the room.
No one else Huh what was the item?
It was a sign football? You know, I mean football yeah, I bid on it.
Get why do you? Why do you keep bidding on it?
Because I was looking around like nobody wants to bid on my ball, So I just kept bidding on it. It'll go down in the record books as as it it went for X amount of dollars. Then you know, we don't have to connect it to who did it. It would just be like, oh, it went one of the popular players of Penn State.
You know, was this one of those things where you like raised your hand and like.
The people saw, yeah, I can't raise were like, what are you doing?
Well?
Yeah, maybe.
By the way, those auctioneer guys are so full of crap, they're not even saying the actual never They're just rattling off a bunch of garbage.
Such bed give it to some kids after I won, by.
The way, one hundred and forty nine ninety five on eBay right now, LeVar Arrington signed football one five paid four.
For years LeVar Oh way more, there we go, let's go. Yeah, I gave it to the kids after, you know, I gave it to something. We go some kids.
Did any part of you just think like I should just give money to the kids. Well, I did give money to the kids. That's why I was bidding on my ball. I know, but like just let's just you don't need another pin.
I was trying to like create like the nature of like let's let's give, you know, it's like, let's give to our kids. And then this n I l so I was donating and I was okay with bidding against myself. I just was trying to get other people into the spirit of maybe wanting to give for my ball.
At one point, did it were you like this a hole keeps bidding me up. I want to keep bidding against this guy. I was like, did you almost have like should I keep He's gonna keep going up. Yeah, he's gonna keep going up.
Internally about I wasn't battling internally on that particular piece of it. I was more so battling internally like nobody likes me and I'm the only one that that's bidding on my balls. And I stuck my hand up again and I was like, I'm going to go to a number that makes me feel good about my value my word. Nobody else will. That was my lesson of the day.
Hey, sixty five bucks for LeVar Arrington signed Giants Road Jersey.
You ripped out, tripped out trying to get a deal.
They tried to get rid of it. Anyways. Do you ever wonder though it's like some of those things, like they'll say used, but it was like the guy who bought it, like he with his wife with it on, and that's what he used it and now not game warn just used? Is that Grasstad sticking on there? I don't know about that tackle some juice stick? What is that peanut butter on there?
What is it?
Chicken parm saucepan? By the way fall to this day, Jonas will not stop complaining about it, by the way, a jersey that it took me forever to get. Once I finally got it, I got Jack Johnson to sign it, and he gets so mad. He reminds me of the Jersey character.
Like right now Jonas in my closet.
Oh god, but here's the thing is it took me forever to get it, and then I got it signed for you, and then you're mad that little stain of chicken parme was on it, which one it was not my fault. It was laying on the kitchen table because it was getting ready to be mailed out. To you. And I don't know if it will splatter or what it was. I got some Italian in laws. Sometimes I get a little sloppy in the kitchen.
You know, that's fine.
And and there was a special message on the back, which I appreciate it. I like the jersey like, there's no complaint. I think it's funny.
And it was good for you.
Yeah what when I.
When I, uh, it was p w for you know, uh yeah, yeah nice, Yeah, you are a prize winner and uh and I appreciated it. And when I framed that bad boy, you know, it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be a lot of questions asked.
And when did you get this jersey? What year?
Oh god, when Jack was playing for the Penguins. What was that?
So?
So what do you mean when you get it framed? Like you don't like I don't understand.
Well, there's just some stuff I want to get, you know, like jerseys. I want to put up that I've gotten. My buddy got me a Fabio Kinnavaro Italian. He's an Italian soccer player. He got me catograph jersey. I'd like to have that up there. So you're Italian? No he's just he's a great play and my mother thought it'd be a good gift. So there's some things I'd like to get framed and h and throw up there. And I'm telling you right now this thing for sixty five bucks, they get the framed lebar.
Would you double sign this?
If I get this lebar Arrington Giants, Jersey, you double sign like it's already been signed allegedly, but would you sign it again just so I know it's authentic and I can turn around and sell it for more or what I mean?
Sure? Why not?
Sweet?
Whatever you need Jonas, yep. And if you need somebody to drive the value of it up, just hit me up. You know I'll I'll bid on it, you know, against me. You know I'll bid on it. Which brings us back to our original point.
You know.
That the Cleveland Browns was bidding against themselves so that they could feel important, like like some way, somehow that justified bringing Deshaun Watson to Cleveland.
Like we won. We're good. You see that we can win something. Probably want.
We won the sweepstakes against We took them from Atlanta, That's what we did. We took them just like we're gonna take this Lombardi Trophy. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it right, and we're gonna win for the dog power. There you go, and then and then reality set in. Yeah, He's like, and then you realize that you made a horrible mistake. You ever like meet somebody out and you gave it all you had and then you got to know them, and you were in a situation that made it very difficult for you to like remove yourself at the current moment in time. And I don't know I could, but I'd have to give out a name because I'd give out names and I and I pull out receipts and all that stuff, and I don't want to do that. I'm just saying, have you ever found yourself in that type of scenario though, where you was like dang like this, you know, like I think I got to go to the restroom, and you go to the restroom, but you really really left, like you got up out of here.
Good bye.
He man like, I'll be right back the stomach, yeh. And then you out That door you went through was not to the restroom. It was like a light switch, like a light Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to get up out of there.
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It is a Tuesday tradition. This man is our smooth operator. He is Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, also an analyst for CBS Sports HQ. And you can get some of that smoke on social media at Prisco CBS on X. Pete, good morning, how are we feeling, Operator, I'm great.
Last week was very good, but today is Today is a new day. It's a new week and ready to move on.
Yeah, thank you.
What happened last week happened?
Well? I mean I'm sitting there at the fifty yard line, watched my sun Devils. It let a fourth and thirteen get hit because they called them stupid blits against Quinn Ewers made no sense whatsoever. And uh and so what's that, Brady?
That was going?
Well?
That was LeVar sand Damn. I was gonna ask you though about the targeting call targeting.
It was definitely targeting, But you know the way I issue would kick field goals all year. They probably would have got down there and yanked it off the bar.
So, Pete, are you the type, because I know you're a little bit superstitious if they get back in that position again, are you going or are you going to say Nope, not doing it. I was bad luck. I was the mush well.
I always said I wanted to do it once and Brady, you know how I hate getting on the plane with a million people bothering me.
And how awesome was the environment it was?
It was well, let's put this way, the Falcons took me up. So it was great. I was right there in a fifty yard line and we were in the middle of the ASU Vichelois was the ASU section, uh, And it was fantastic and and so it was a great atmosphere. I thought in the beginning, I go, here we go. We'll be leaving at halftime, you know. But no, they came back, they rallied, they played well. They they really showed themselves well, which I think is good for the program. And look, he's done a great job. It was whatever we got out of that was gravy. And they probably would have got whacked by Ohio State anyways, but it still was a great Seedson, It was a great Seeds. It was a fun season, and it was a great game. I mean. And by the way, I know you love college football. College football has problems, big problems, and.
We without listening off what they are.
The problems for you. First off, there were many many more Sun Devil fans in the crowd than there were Texas fans. And the reason that is is because the Texas fans went to I asked some of them. I asked some of the Texas fans what happened. They went to the SEC championship game. They got this game, then they got to one in Dallas, and then hopefully they're going to have another one. And so when you're a program like that, fans can't travel to every game. It's just impossible and it's expensive. And I think, okay, peep.
Pete, pete, I get that, But do you not think that like the Baltimore Ravens fans or someone you know what I'm saying, if they don't have home field advantage, they gotta go to Baltimore, they have to go to like the next two games on the road. It's the same thing. Then the Super Bowl most of the time.
That rarely happens, Brady. I mean, it's not it's not the way it happens. And if you're a wildcard, well what Aly.
It's not the way it happens. What do you I'm just saying, if you're going to go to all the playoff games, it's an expensive road to go too. It's no different than the NFL. You got to pay, they.
Need to put they need to put the games on campus, that's what they need to do.
They did for the first round. But you still have to fly and travel to go to those games. I mean, geez, Pete, come.
On the visiting team.
Yeah, Like, hey, let's just take the Pete, take the Baltimore Ravens or take Notre Dame. Well, let's compare the two. Baltimore is going to host a home playoff game and then puts actually the next one. We don't know how things, you know, plan out with all that, but they'll have to travel after that at some point. And then there's the Super Bowl too.
Like it's it's no different, but it is different. And here's why Baltimore's playing Pittsburgh this week. The Steeler fans get in the car and drive the Baltimore. You ain't getting any car and driving from Texas.
That's that's the sheer look of the matchup of the playoffs. And by the way, Indiana fans, By the way, Pete, Indiana fans drove up to South Bend.
How about that, Pete, let me ask you. This are the Notre Dame fans going to the game this week in South Florida.
Yes there's a lot, but you know what, there weren't as many that went last week. There were not no, there were less fans with to Nororleans. There'll be more Notre Dame fans for this The South beat trip.
Notre Dame is a little bit different because Notre Dame's an.
Now it's a little different. Now it's a little different, all right, Pete, don't worry. Hey, look look Pete, we're happy for you. It was the most competitive game so far in the playoffs. And I hope you're proud. I hope you're a proud Arizona State sun. Devel. Great job.
I had, I had my Garbon, I was my wife had heard Garbon, and we were very proud of the program. But what I don't like about college football is that blue Blood's the same blue bloods over and over and over again. I mean, it's just that needs to change. They need to put a salary cap in when it comes to the nil.
Ok pete, pete. This is the first time Penn State has ever been in the playoff, let alone the round of four. Notre Dame's been before, but I don't know the people thought they were going to get past. You know, Georgia, Ohio State's been here before, but after they lost in Michigan, no one thought that. And then Texas is now back in the round of four. But the only one representing.
The SEC Brady. They're blue blood programs. You can't say that they're not.
They've all we don't have any of the normal SEC Georgia, Bama, Elison, none of those SEC teams are involved.
That's correct, I get that, But but those are blue blood You would you would you agree that Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas and Ohio State or blue blood programs, Yes or no?
Just because they're blue blood. Sure, But but if you looked at the playoffs in general, I you Boys State, Arizona State, they aren't, and they were in it, SMU.
They were it because they want to. They won their conference. That's why they got it.
Well, same thing with Arizona State. I'm just I'm making a point he's making.
The bottom line is college football. College football needs to do a better job of spreading the wealth around or else the same teams are gonna be in it over and over again. People aren't gonna like that.
How is this different from the NFL, Like, because.
You build your team in the NFL, you have to build your team, and you have a salary cap, and you have drafty.
College in college.
In college football, if you have the biggest collective, you're gonna have the best team. Period.
They have revenue sharing.
Jesus, hey, they paid, they paid. He paid quarterback four million dollars. Some school can't. You're gonna have the better quarterback cap.
That's how you That's how in the future, Pete, I know you're not up to date on this. That's how things will work moving forward with the revenue share, with how they're allocating the funds. Let's get to the NFL. I was calling the Jags Colts game. I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought Bulky was going to get canned. I didn't think it was going to be Peterson, but obviously Balky survives. Peterson stays, what are your thoughts?
It's well, first off, I think they all should have gone, every one of them. They shed a cleaned house, and the fact that they didn't is a bad look for the organization. Now, from what I've heard from some people in the in the building is that that there's a chance that the new coach is going to have all the power and whoever that is, if he comes in and says, look, I can't work with that guy. I want my own guy. That they still might make that happen. You know, Shad Khan needs somebody to help him with the coach in search. I think he's using Balke in that role. But the problem is is what happens if Balky says, oh, well we should get this guy because he can work with him, or he's one of his buddies or whoever, and so yeah, it's bad. Look, that guy has survived a lot of things in his career. Think about that, He got Jim Harbaugh out in San Francisco. That that means you're you're a political maneuvering expert, You're you're a champ. He won the Super Bowl, political Manu bring and he continues to win it and it's just a bad book for the organization. I would have fired all of them.
Jesus Well, I mean, how does but how do you how do you avoid that?
Like, like you said, he's a part of the coaching search. So the idea, and we talked about this earlier in the showte the idea of somebody coming in and be like, yeah, I don't want to work with with with Bulky, like he's got to go. How does that even happen? Who's going to find that coaching candidate and bring them in there and they're going to say that when he's the guy that's still helping pull the trigger on decisions being made. It doesn't seem logical or even feasible. So how does that even work?
Yeah, you know, it's a good question, Lebar. But here's the thing. It's like Ben Johnson wants that job. They need to and he wants to go in there and talk to them. He needs no matter what happens. If he says yes, I want to interview and he's the number one candidate, a lot of places didn't go interview. And I still think he needs to go interview there's there's some rumblings and you hear this that he interview because Balky's still there. I think he needs to go interview and tell them, Look, this is what I need. I have other options. If you want to give me this, I want this job. I want to work with Trevor Lawrence. I want to be in Florida, close to where I was born and raised in North Carolina, no state income tax, an odor that for the most part, clearly doesn't meddle because he keeps this guy around. And so I go in there and say, that's what I want, and if you want to hire me, this is what I need. He's got to go. I want my own guy in here and away we go. That's what he needs to do. If he still interviews. If he doesn't do the interview, I think he's hurting himself. I think he should do the interview.
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Pete.
The Patriots waited about fifteen minutes and then fired girod Mayo after beating the Bills on Sunday. Is this move made if Mike Rabl's not available.
That's a good question, because I do think that they're you know, the fact that the Jets were talking to Mike Brabel kind of stirred the pod a little bit. By the way, I also hear Jacksonville didn't play for Mike Brabel. He's gonna have a lot about Chicago as well. He's gonna have a lot of options. So if you're the Patriots and you want to bring home, you know, one of your own, then I think it makes sense. But you know, look, Mayo, a couple of weeks ago, do you remember when Jonathan Craft was sitting in the crowd and they read his lips and he said something about the offense being crapped basically is what he said. You knew the handwriting was on the wall. And then Mayo didn't do a great job of handling himself away from away from the game. You know, the coaching, that's one thing, one very good, but then you called your team soft and publicly call your team soft. I mean, that's never a good look. And there were a couple other instances that he didn't handle himself very well. So it's not surprising I thought he would get another year, but at some point you got to look at it and say it didn't going to work. No matter if we give him another year, it's not changing. Go make the move. But I think Brabel certainly had a lot to do with it.
Pe good, good to you. Okay, I'll shot you quickly about the New York Jets. When you see Rex Ryan out there politicking the way he is for the job, it feels like they've interviewed pretty much everyone on the face of the planet at this point. Do you do you look at it and go like, yeah, maybe it would make sense to bring back Rex and it's you know, he's a coach they're familiar with, he knows the ownership, he knows the fan base that was the last time they had success. Like, do you look at him as the most viable option for the Jets because that feels like a job that a lot of head coaching candidates might be leria.
Well, they're leria is because of the owner. I mean, you know, look, you're gonna bring this the only it be the best ending to it all is to have a guy you fired conducting the coaching search and Mike Tannenbaum hire a coach that you fired in Rex Ryan. That would be be perfect vintage New York Jets and our buddy Rix Fielman's involved in that entire process. And he was in the studio with us last week and worked and I can't tell you how much a grief I gave him about about the whole process and how it's playing out. Are you kidding me? Give me a break. They got two general managers. Okay, Spielman never worked there, but Mike Tanabam was fired by the Jets, and you bring him in to help you make the decision on who you're going to hire it as the general manager and the head coach. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. They are passing a wide net, which I think is smart. You should talk to as many people as you can. That's what I would do if I was, if I was in the interview process as an owner, I would talk or a general managers looking for a coach. I would talk to as many as I can, many many, many coaches, and I would steal all their ideas and write them down and use them for later on because they all come with great ideas, because you know they're all primped and ready to go. Ready here I am, I'm ready for your interview. So all have great ideas. Whatever you like, you hear, you'd write it down, jot it down, and take it and pass it on to the guy you actually.
Do hire Pete. How does that work for Dallas?
I mean, you know, the posturing has has began, and obviously his contract runs out tomorrow. How does that work out for Dallas? Do you go for the bait and say, oh, he's wanted, the Bears want them, Let's give him a contract, let's extend them, let's not mess around with it.
Or do you say, you know what.
Dude, like like, goe, see what your value is and then this is what we're going to offer you, or maybe not?
I mean, how does that all play out in your eyes?
It's a weird situation because so many people thought Mike McCarthy was going to get fired and now all of a sudden, Mike McCarthy's kind of controlling things a little bit. And you know, Mike McCarthy might be in playing in New Orleans as well. When you think about it. He was once the O offensive coordinated there way back in the day for Jim Haslett. So there are you know, teams that are interested in him. He's one of those guys that's won a Super Bowl. He has experience, he's been around, and it makes sense. So if you're the Cowboys and you want to bring him back, don't let him go out there and hear what's out there. I mean, if you really want him back, and the indication is that Jerry Jones wants him back, then make it happen. But you know, he's also got coaches that have expiring contracts, so you know they're going to be out there too. So I think if you want to get him back, you should do it as quickly as possible. If you don't and you're not real sure about it, let him go out there and see what's out there. And then if you come back and say, Okay, well you didn't get anything, we'll give you this, then I think you do it that way. But if you really want to back, make it happen. Don't let him go out.
On those interviews, Pete, we got about thirty seconds before we let you go. Best game this weekend, wild Card weekend will be.
What you know. I'm intrigued by the Bills and Broncos because that defense matching up against that offense, that could be fun to watch I mean it really can. I think Champagne's done a great job. But that defense, when you put you know Sartain can play man coverage, and how do you slow down that offense? I think that that one's intriguing. If from a from a strategic standpoint, I think from a from a close game being close standpoint, I think I think Campa Bay Washington will be fun. I think that's going to go up and down the field and both teams will score. So from an offensive standpoint, that might be the most entertaining.
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