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And it is a post Easter edition of This Monday Show. So, uh did the Easter bunny did he visit? Did you guys have a hunt? Who found the golden egg? How things go? How's everybody feeling here on this Monday morning?
I feel far, I'm good, I feel fun. Yeah. How you guys knowing Easter Buddy was good? Uh? Sure they died eggs? Yeah, I had a good time with eggs. We did not do that this year.
That That is the smell of the dye. It always got me, even as a kid, I never found that fun.
Because of the vinegar. Yeah, it just it's just really I wasn't around for it. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't be around for the smell of the eggs because I wouldn't be around for the eggs being done.
Why not?
I mean, I'm in the house, I'm present as a person in the house. I'm just too busy visiting my Easter.
Eggs, you know. Oh? No, all right, I would do good.
Yeah, but no I'm not around when there, or was I I was outside yesterday. I stayed pool set yesterday. That's what I did. I didn't come in at all.
Can I give a big shout out though, to all the dads out there, all the dads out there who probably you know, hid somewhere around fifty to one hundred, one hundred and fifty two hundred eggs, right forgot no appreciation for the dads out there who went to a church service of some sort, mass whatever, whatever you went to, but you dropped the family off and then you had to go find parking and one of.
The busiest days of the year.
All right, Just a shout out to all the dads, you know, as your kid was just being a complete disaster and you had to walk outside.
So you're not that guy, You're not that family? Is that?
Just a shout out to the dads who will never get enough appreciation for having to battle through one of the best holidays.
But unfortunately, because for the dads, we'll get the short end of the stick. Shout out to you. Okay, run of applause, all.
Yeah, yeah, if you did have to go to church on Easter Sunday, first of all, you're a loser, geez.
Second of all, what's good for you for forgetting Yeah, because I mean, you know what, you know what you're getting yourself into. I would never go to church on.
On I would.
You know, If I'm going to do church, I'm gonna do it online. Bro, I'm gonna do it digitally. I'm going to get my Easter Sunday done on the line I got for the church I'm going to.
I'll be dang. I go pulling up in a park out of the internet.
You go pulling up to any decent church in their parking lot is going to be fully fool jam packed. Like you said, drop off, drop off. You got to get close enough to be able to drop them all.
We had planned to go Saturday night and then saw that it was a two and a half hour mass because people were getting baptized.
No, no, that's it's not.
Normally that long. And I told my wife, I was like, go ahead, we'll go on Sunday. And so she went and my son and I just hung out and speaking of Yeah, the Pope Francis passed away. The news came out a short time ago. So Labar, what were you just saying speaking of about not going?
He didn't want to go either. I guess was to soon? Was it to?
So?
I mean, was it? So? I think there's that amongst.
The fact that, like it's arguably the most important Christian holiday, but you know that is it?
Yeah? That was Christmas?
I mean the resurrection of Jesus Christ is is what differentiates Jesus Christ as a savior in the Christianity over all other religions.
So, yes, didn't he have to be born first? Correct? But there's been others? Hey, jos, Hey, Coop, I'm just saying, Man, I get it. He defeated death.
I know, came from from the from the grave, but dang, don't he got Didn't he have to be little baby Jesus first, sweet baby Jesus and the manger swallowed up and wrapped up in the manger first?
I'm just saying correct, But again, there's been many others born, none that have resurrected. So okay, most in Christianity would tell you that those are the two biggest tallidays.
But yeah, most would say that, Okay, Okay.
In fact, I want to say, there's like a not a conspiracy theory, but there was a whole thought and idea to the fact that Christmas became big because of corporate America, not even so much like for any other reason, Like it became more about Santa Claus et cetera.
Yeah, it was it like Coca col behind that.
Well, what's crazy is this is the first thing y'all said was the bunny rabbit?
How was the Eastern bunny? Isn't that that?
Like?
Can we can y'all get me on the same page here, man? I mean, I'm just saying, is it the bunny rabbit? Or is are we going and we're visiting the two?
Well?
I mean it's you know, an aspect. Do we know.
Where the rock was moved? Has anybody seen it? Do we know where the rock is? There's a big old boulder that they said that they put in front of the site. Do we know where it is? I'm not sure. Do we know where the barn is where he was in the manger? Do we know where that is?
I'm not sure?
Yeah, Okay, I mean standing, Oh, I don't know.
I was just curious. Do we know where it is in Bethlehem? I think based on all right, here's what I say. Here's what I know. The NBA playoffs are here. That's what I know.
Hey, bruh, baby Jesus is out there on.
The basketball court. I'll tell you that.
By the way, the fact that the Warriors are a seven seed that doesn't feel like a seven seed like that.
Just listen, here we go, Here we go. I told you told me what I told you. The Warrior is going to be a problem.
Man.
They are going they are going to be a problem because Jimmy Butler is a score and can score and create his own type of opportunities to score. And adding that just like they had when they had KD. Having that element there, all they gotta do is d up if they if they can play good enough defense. The fact that they were able to overcome Houston's defense in Houston and pull that game out, that's that's that's got to be putting people in the West on notice.
Man, you gotta be nervous about it.
I just wish that they would get to the brink quicker in the first round, because it's really hard for me to react one way or the other after one game because the series is so long, Like it would not surprise me if all of a sudden, Houston rotted off four straight and the series is over.
Just wouldn't like that. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
I mean, you might not be surprised, but I don't feel like that's that's likely.
But I it's just and we've made this point for really good team. We made this point before in previous years. If you just like, if you and they'll never do it, if you shortened the first round, Yeah, because the TV revenue, I.
Do, right, Yeah, it's too much money.
Because you would get teams like if you watch the Hawk's heat game, the playing game, that was fantastic because they were playing, you know, winn or go home, and you just saw desperation play out the entire time. And I just feel like in the NBA playoffs, like the Oklahoma City won by fifty yesterday, like what like at one point, Memphis is probably like, yeah, whatever, we're not going to get this one.
Let's just gun it for a game too, and trying to gun it core Yeah, well.
Like that he ain't have enough, he did not have enough ammunition.
Hey we're up like sixty eight to thirty six.
Let's just gun it from here to place. That is a fair comment.
So I feel that's been the case in the NBA for a while now, and some of these best of seven series is when when things start to go wrong, they just kind of give up. There's not many teams battling back and and that's kind of it. You sort of restless starters. You kind of just get through the game. Happens a little bit in baseball. I feel like you're not gonna waste some of that some of that pitching too, to pick up things get out of hand in the early innings and some of these longer series. But the only thing you could do is expand, but then you'd have to create, you know, more more entry for more teams. They already kind of have that with a plan and maybe extend those series and then when you cut these down to like a best of five. So I don't know, I mean, there's not a there's not a I'm one hundred percent with you. It does feel like something is serious, Like, you know, Miami and Cleveland should be a little bit more competitive than it was last night, but like Oklahoma City and Memphis, it's it's just that's that should be over quick. Yeah, Okaoma might be the best team in the NBA, but some of these other ones, it does feel like the first rounds a wash and it's really not to the second round, but until we get anything entertaining to watch, at least in the NBA playoffs.
I mean, record wise, they definitely have been the most impressive. They got probably the most impressive players so far. I think the West is going to be interesting. But listen, I think that, and I'll continue to say. I think the Clippers are fools Gold. I think that they might go home in the first round. I think the Lakers are fools.
Gold.
I think they might go home in the first round. Minnesota looked really good. They look strong, They look too fast for for for the Lakers. The Lakers did not look as though they were able to keep up with the athletic ability and the speed of of what Minnesota was bringing to the table. Man is as advertised. It's just a serious team.
Man.
I just I think that this first round is kind of playing out the way that if you were you know, if you're really paying attention to it, it's probably paying out playing out the way that you would think it would play out.
You know. The Pacers, Uh, I think.
They're gonna be too much for for the Bucks, just just out of pure there's not Jiannis can't do it by himself, like Portois, somebody, somebody else has got to get involved and do more. Otherwise it's just not He's not going to be able to do it by himself. Kind of felt that when Lillard went out with his ailment, so that you're seeing a series there that that's kind of you know, it's going to play out the way that you thought. Now when you look at the Knicks and the Pistons, that's an interesting one because that is that, to me, is the one that's the one matchup that could possibly go back and forth, that could be a seesaw situation. But if Town, if Town shows up and does what he needs to do, I think that the Knicks will be fine. And I don't know. I just think that this first round is going to play out the way that that it should play out, even if they weren't a higher rated seed than the team that they're playing against.
So no surprises, which also I was gonna beg the question Pistons next. Okay, so let's just assume whoever wins, are they getting past the second round?
Probably not who do they have in the second round? Who they beat? Yeah? Because who?
I mean what like matchup wise, I'm not looking at the bracket.
It.
The bigger point is you could take if I just told you, all right, Boston, Cleveland, Oklahoma City, I think we're good from there, like like like one of those.
Teams is gonna win the time. I don't think. I don't know.
I don't think that to be I don't think that to be Bible. I think Cleveland looks really good. I think they look really good, and this could be the year where they're not fools Gold, because they've been fools Gold as well. I think this is the year that Oklahoma City makes makes a legitimate run and they're not fools Gold or just young, a young team that's still trying to figure it out. Obviously, we said that Houston they lack experience as well, and you saw that play out.
But I got to tell you you're taking the Warriors.
Well, here's the thing, right, if you look at it, we continue to have these conversations, these ongoing conversations about, you know, the comparison between Brown and MJ. But if this Golden State Warriors team continues on the tear they were on last night and they slowed down, I mean they did slow down at the end of the game, and that that it kind of gave me like make cause for pause. But if they're able to continue to play as well as especially Steph, If Steph can play as well as he played last night, don't you have to have the conversation just safe for the sake of Sam and Paul Pierce.
I heard Paul Pierce say.
This, don't you got to have the uncomfortable conversation of now looking at Steph Curry as winning this era of basketball in the NBA. But but we'll debate that Lebron James is the greatest player time.
He's already got more titles on Lebron, That's what I'm saying.
And he will have our and he will have done it with three three different teams, like you know, the pre KD team, the KD team, the post KD team, like and the post Clay team. By the way, I mean, he's I just I think there's a lot to be said about what this man has accomplished. And we don't really put him up in the conversation of being the goat of goats, like it's always like a quality. Well, the media, the media is really I mean pretty much everybody who talks about yeah, well.
Jonas and I've been advocating for a while man.
For Steph Curry to be considered the best ever. I mean, we're the ones that have pointed out he's got to have a lead over right. Now.
Look, let me be very very clear about something. It is Jordan.
Okay, it's Michael Jordan, and then we can start having a conversation about who's after that.
All right.
I think if you were to look at the past that if you look at the past decade or last fifteen years, there is a debate, no doubt in regards to Steph and Lebron and their success. Now, if you were to match them up, because this is basketball and you get those one on one conversations, we would all agree Lebron James would win that one on one matchup. So most people would say, well, Lebron's better than right, And that's how a lot of people try to justify, you know, their belief that Lebron would beat Michael Jordan one on one, or they look at their career stats and what he's willing to accumulate, which is phenomenal.
By the way, it wouldn't beat Michael Jordan one on one. Boy.
Look, I don't know that he would beat I don't know that he would beat Steph Curry one on one. Steph Curry shoots way too well, man, he'd be blowing Lebron. Lebron is not a one on one player.
Lebron is a very, very.
One on one scenario. I understand, I understand what you're saying. I don't think we need to break this time much Further, I'm not sure many people would believe Steph Curry because he would.
Never be able to defend the one. I don't know that. One minute and that's over.
But anyway, back to the seating, it's always based on the higher seat who's left. So assuming that Boston beats Orlando, which they're ahead, that's who the Nixon and Pistons would play. It feels like it's gonna end up being a little choky, right. We're probably gonna have Cleveland play whoever wins, being the Bucks and Pacers, and then looking at Boston play the winner between the Knicks and the Pistons. But the problem is you just go all right, or even those matchups gonna be entertaining.
I think if you have some upsets, like if you have if if you if you see some competitive games. I think it will be. It will be entertaining to watch well, right, But I don't I don't see any of them. I don't see them coming out, you know. I see Indiana doing what they need to do. I see Cleveland doing what they need to do. I certainly see Boston doing what they need to do. And it's sad because I don't know that Indiana is the better team over over the Milwaukee Bucks. They're just shorthanded. I mean, you got to have at least one more guy, at least one more and in the best case scenario, you have too but you only have one guy that's that's carrying the load for Milwaukee right now, and that's just not you know, that's just not going to be good enough for any team that you're going to play, you know, at this point in the playoffs.
So I don't know. I think it could be competitive. I do. I think it can be competitive in the next rounds.
But in terms of looking at and saying this is the team that you would assume is going to have more success, I mean in the East, yeah, I would. I would think that that's pretty I don't know it's as clear cut in the West. But I definitely think in the East you could you could say you could probably stand on the fact that the teams are the teams.
In the East.
I just think the only lower seed that I could see making a run in either conference is Golden State. And again, they don't feel like a seven seed, like it just that's not that's not your normal.
And mostly because it's been such a dramatic shift since they've gotten Jimmy Butler got it hasn't been there hasn't.
Really been a revelation.
Since he's gotten there, they've been one of the best teams in the West. So you look at some of those like monumental trades in the trade deadline.
We all talked about Luca. That created a spark for the Lakers.
We'll see if they can find the way out of that series, because it feels like that's gonna be more of a dogfight because maybe Minnesota is able to actually win that one. But yeah, it doesn't feel like Golden State's a seventh seed considering Jimmy and Steph with that combination.
But it looked like you're going into Houston. Isn't used in the number? Are they the number two seed?
Yeah?
Too, Like it didn't look like it it used to is supposed to.
It didn't look like that they were supposed to be that, you know, in a playing tournament to get you know, playing.
The game, to get in right right.
Yeah, but again I thought that I thought that that's what it was going to be. And the fact that Jimmy Butler did show up the way that he did, it gives Steph Curry the opportunity to get off of the court at times and them not lose that ability to score. Now, is that surprising that Jimmy has showed up the way he has. H No, I just think he does have a nick name playoff Jimmy for a reason. I'm not surprised that he show he's showing up.
I'm just glad he was able to get out of the toxic culture that is Heat culture and that he's actually being respected again.
You know, I feel bad for Bam while we're trying to I mean, Bam Bam was carrying the load yesterday and they just they just man.
Cleveland's just a better team. They're just better. They're just better.
Tie Jerome man with two first names, kind of going off the way he did, just saying.
You can't stop that.
Sometimes you can't trust him, but you can't stop that when when Jerome gets.
Hot, Wow they look pretty good, Man Calves pretty good? Hell yeah, they look pretty good.
I mean you need your up tops to pool through for for Miami for them to have a chance to win that series.
What do you think about us claiming Ty Jerome?
There's a lot of mixed kids in the league too, you know, so you guys could theoretically up topic for some guys. You know, Gordon, you know, y'all could up top. Y'all could claim hold on? Is that debatable with Ti Jerome? No, I don't know. That's Jonas saying that. I'm just saying I've said there's a lot of mixed kids in the league. So it is what it is, man. I mean you could up topic quite a bit, knock yourselves out.
Hell yeah yeah.
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So we've got a situation in Boulder that apparently has now grown.
Like a boulder on some of my shoulder like that type of deal.
Well, I guess kind of, I guess that could be the that could be the case. So there was the decision to retire the jersey numbers of Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter over the weekend at the Colorado Spring Game, and so the conversation was very heated for some people. They thought, you know, listen, Dion figures should have his number two retire. If he didn't get his retired, these guys just left. They'd only been there short time. Why would they get there?
And so Brady's boy, Joel Klatt came out was like.
Yeah, why didn't Clack it is number?
I mean when he would have left, it would have made sense then based on what what the justifications for Shador, Well, it's not damn. I mean, he set a bunch of records, passing records during his time at Colorado. There you go, and he had them competing and I believe back then was a Big eight at least competing for the Big eight.
So you could have made the case.
Look, this has become very polarizing because it is coach Prime, It's it's the Sanders family.
And then they tend to be able to do that make waves.
But there is some legitimate questions that people have as to why now do we have the sound on that.
I know there's no looking for There was no sound. We've been looking for.
It, well not we, I mean he I was just told that we were looking for it and that we didn't find it.
So the the quote from Dion Sanders was the time frame nobody's going to be happy with.
Can I find this to send it to Lee? Just because it's going to take about thirty seconds.
Of that time. He said he could not find it.
And I quote I looked everywhere, and I quote I looked everywhere for it.
I've already I've already found it.
The promise he's gonna have to search through when he says it, So there might be a little turn around time.
But here you go, Lee, let me copy and paste this to you. Jesus, how was your white hood? It's not in there? But what oh no, what are you talking about?
It's a nineteen minute post, you know spring game clip. When he said it, Okay, what's in there? And you'd have to find it and might take a little work on your part. How those numbers come along ly.
They're almost there. They're almost there.
Dead buddy, Oh no, so I know one Jersey, we won't be retiring after we get done.
Come on, you know you wouldn't retire at least.
Tommy Bahama man.
Back to back to the original point though, and did you actually read the whole quote?
Read the whole quote.
From Anders was the time frame nobody's going to be happy with. Somebody is always going to have something to say. But the way we're at right now, we are in the now generation. Those guys deserve what they deserve right now. So I'm proud of them.
So okay, So so after saying that, my question is we're in a now generation. If that's the case, who's he appeasing? Like what is he appeasing? Travis and Shadoor? And maybe no one has a gripe with Travis. I mean he made the comment and then they talked, you know, post post spring game, about well, what do we have to do in regards to you know, when this happens. Because Rashaan Salaam, they waited and he had passed away. I think it was a year after he had passed and Coach Prime brought up the fact of what we have to do wait till after they pass away, is that, like, in order to honor them? And so there's a lot of truth in what he's saying. And again I think the problem is is and maybe he's missing some of this is is no one has an issue with Travis Hunter having his jersey retired. It's more about Shadeur and whether or not it's justified. Now that's on Colorado and you know, the A D and other people who are a part.
Of all this.
What he But the question still exists, Who's he appeasing? Is it the fans? Was there an outcry from the fans for this? Was there an outcry within the athletics department at Colorado? Is he trying to appease what he feels like is in his mind like their program and doing this was going to bring more fans to the spring game as kind of part of this. So let's you know, showcase the success they had the past two years or were helping to improve the program in the last two years.
I mean, unfortunately the fans didn't show out for it.
I think his first year it was, you know, a huge crowd forty seven.
Thousand something along those lines.
You know, last year it was a little different because of the weather, so there's only about twenty eight thousand, but a pretty dramatic drop from what it was, and then this year was about twenty thousand reported it looked half that.
You know, it didn't look like.
There was a ton of fans there for the spring game. So I'm just not sure who that generation of now he's referring to outside of Travison Shador.
And then that leads me.
To say, so, if you're trying to make sure they feel the appreciation they deserve for what they've accomplished, what you could have done then, and especially as the head coach and probably should have done, has gotten other guy's traders retired who are deserving of that, And honestly, had he gotten Deon figures up there as well, Like literally just came out and said, look, I think there's two players in Colorado football history who deserve to have their number retired. But they're both happened that we were wearing number two, And this could have been done a long time ago. But if they would have put both Dion figures and Shadra Sander's up there, I don't think Anyon would have a gripe with it. In fact, he would have come out better for it, looking better for it, and people being like, okay, like that's pretty awesome. Like he feels like should order it a lot, but also deon figures who wasn't recognized for this and maybe should have been given the national championship given the consensus Al American, Jim Thorpe, all those things that now he's he's doing right by it. So if he had just included more players as opposed to just Travis Hunter, just Shador Sanders, I don't think this would even be a conversation. I think people would be looking at him saying, dang, dude, look at that, like coach prompt sending up even for former players, generations, everything else getting their numbers retired too, because it's been too long of a wait for them. But that's the thing is, it wasn't everyone else. It was just these two, and it was right now, and so it feels like he's really just appeasing those two. And look, that's his own progative. He's the head coach, He's allowed to do whatever he wants. He's a new contract and all that. It just it feels like people are starting to get a little bit worn down with some of this, and I think the spring game attendance is part of that. And we'll see how this season goes and what happens with all of it, depending on how they do, what kind of conversation we're having a year from now.
Respect first and foremost, like I respect what Prime is doing and in terms of the uh, the energy and the level of relevance that he's brought to the program. But let's be clear, Shador isn't even All American.
He will not be. That's not true. What what he was?
He was first and second team All American on some on some what what what are the some? I don't I'm just telling you right now. Let's look it up. Look it up. Look that one up. For me, I don't believe that he was was acknowledged as as.
One hundred percent as the first or second team and in most cases.
But I see, I see all swack, I see big twelve, I see I see a lot.
But maybe I'm wrong, Maybe maybe I'm not. I don't I don't think I'm wrong.
But all I'm saying is is he's definitely not as decoration.
Second team by the Associated Press okay, second team College Football Network.
I believe box Toros, some others had him as his first team. Never heard of him. That's all I'll say, is all I'll said. Well, that's the promise.
There's a lot that no one's ever heard of now that are coming up, and I don't know the I mean, if it's AP, I respect it.
If it's coach's poll, I respect it.
If it's not one of those, like I don't really all these other I don't really. You could say Aflaon's. You could say Street and Smith like I did, like Street and Smith. I ain't gonna lie, but I just listen. My point is is that he probably won't be a Hall of Famer at the college level. Like I don't even know that he won. Did they even win a bowl game? Did they win a bowl game?
No, they're not. I just don't.
I just you know, for me, I just think that it's unfortunate that instead of keeping it in a place and this is this is my ultimate point, instead of keeping it in a place where you can look at him as an iconic figure, just like Travis Hunter and what they were able to accomplish at Colorado, what they were able to accomplish in an HBCU and making Jackson State as relevant as they did, because Jackson State benefited tremendously from the two of those guys as well, along with with Coach Prime.
I just I find it to be sad that.
In doing this, it will totally undermine how people feel about Shador Sanders and his career because now you are forced to dissect his career. You are, if you're paying attention, then you're forced to dissect the career because now you want to know why is it worth worth it? Why is it worthy to retire his jersey? Like, you know, saying that it's it's a now generation, it's not a good enough It's not that's not a good enough explanation, you know, saying that if he wasn't a Sanders, it wouldn't be a conversation. That's your correct because if you weren't a Sanders, his jersey wouldn't be getting retired.
I mean, let's be clear here.
So I think that there are a lot of circumstances here that I don't know that Shador I would say. I do know Shador Sanders should not be judged and Shador Sanders should not be ridiculed and drug over the coals for this taking place. I don't think it's on him. He's the player in this situation. There are a lot of other elements, a lot of other people that make decisions that made this happen. I do not look at this as Shador Sanders went to his dad or went to officials the ad at the university and was like, I need to have my jersey retired. This is definitely something that scheme wise, like you mentioned, maybe it's which this is way too long term to leverage to try to get people to come out to a spring game.
And I know the point you guys are making is, you know, like why now and all that, But this.
Also partly I'm not saying now because I don't think there should be a wow ever, like it shouldn't ever happen.
But isn't like the people that are pushing back on like Deon Figures who had a great career, great career, and I think he just got into the College Football Hall of Fame. Yeah, especially so like isn't this also partly on the school as well too, Like why didn't they step in and retire his number earlier? Why didn't they go in and and take care of And I wonder if this is maybe Dion almost calling the school out, in the university out, like, hey, we need to celebrate these players that we have now, and he's using these guys to launch that you gotta keep momentum.
The problem is because of retired short statters number. Now someone's gonna come up and say, man, when don't we retire Dion. He just went into the College Football Hall of Fame.
You know, he beat her to the punch.
It's like, I mean, given the recency of all this, but I understand what you're saying. It's one of the reasons why I brought that point up is like he could have been the good guy at all of this, and now it's like he's kind of taken more backlash from it because I don't think people are you know, dragging Shador you know, over the coals or the fire because of it. I mean, again, he had a great year. He kept that team competitive. He they helped build up that program. No one's going to deny that or take that away from them. And ultimately the school was a part of the decision making process. It wasn't solely just you know, coach Prime, So I don't have an issue one way or another. I just think when you do something like this that it's probably going to be taken as polarizing because it's never really happened this quick before. It usually doesn't happen this quick in most places. You got to be a little more thoughtful about your approach to it. And I think this could have been a great opportunity because most spring games are a great opportunity to bridge the past with the current and the future.
Right.
Spring games are great opportunities for recruits. Spring games are great oportunities to bring back former players and then bridge that all together. And it would have showcase your program with all of it, and you can bring all of it together. And so it could have been a really big moment that I think was a missed opportunity for Colorado to retire some other players like Dion Figures that should have been in that conversation. And if you had Shador's name up there next to Dion Figures, it would be kind of unique because it would always have Coach Prime stamp of it and saying, wait, wait, how do they retire two players with the same number, Like usually it just be one player and then it never got worn after that, and you could have the whole explanation like, yeah, when Coach Prime got here, we actually hadn't retired a player's number in a while. We thought it would make some sense to retire a bunch of guys that have been waiting way too long. One of the other things that I saw and I wouldn't ask you, guys, because I was reading this thinking, that's not necessarily the worst thing, and I'd kind of mentioned this. It is one of the reasons why you do it now, because you know people would say, well, why don't you do it a year from now or two years from now. Have these guys come back for a Colorado game? And I was thinking, well, they're both me playing in the NFL. That's gonna be tough to do. If you're trying to bring them back for maybe their bye week. They could and you'd have to line up those schedules and hope that they're home and all that. So that's one possibility, but it would maybe be difficult to do it for both players at the same time and everything else.
But the thought came down to that, like, well, what was if.
Dion's not there anymore? Do you think anyone's coming back to that the now effect, Well, that might be. And that's where someone had kind of made the comment like, well, when Dion leaves there, they're.
Never coming back.
That's why you do it now because it holds a place in their legacy. But and I kind of thought, all right, is their validity to that in your mind?
Does that? Does that make the most sense for this situation.
Yes, Prime holds the most value to this school most likely, and in the history of this this already, he might hold the most value in terms of what he's been, what he's been able to generate. It's it's possible. It's possible, you know, it's debatable. I don't know. Here's my thing, right.
Well, most people will say Bill McCartney really build up Colorado. I think people hold him extremely high regard. So I just think I think if you know Coloraud of football, it's synonymous with Bill McCartney's in the College Football Hall of Fame. Uh he you know, he would be the person that I think everyone holds in the highest regard. Don't get me wrong, Coach Prime's does a tremendous job.
But Bill McCartney's that talking about like in terms of success in building it from the ground well, actually, in theory, he kind of did build it from the ground up. In terms of the relevance of the program. I mean, granted, it's still it was there though. It was a beautiful stadium, it's a it's a beautiful campus, it was there, the infrastructures there. They were in such a bad place and were so bad and they weren't getting out of it. They were so there was no sight of it in the near future that they were going to at some point become a more relevant program. And I think that there's something to be said about that, especially where college athletics is.
Going right now. I don't know that.
I don't know that Colorado gets out of the hole that they were in with anybody they bring.
In again, just because I've had to call games for them and understand the history of them. I think some people would say Bill McCartney was in a very similar situation and it was a little longer build too.
When he took it over.
You know, they were a maybe three win football team the year before he got there. They struggled early on during his time before they eventually in liked his fourth season started to build up again and they started to be more of a five hundred winning team, and eventually it led to the eighty nine ninety where they won the national championship, you know, nineteen ninety one where they're you know, more heavily ranked, and then kind of he kind of finished through the rest of that era, through like the early nineties where he really built it up.
You definitely listen, respect dude, those were some amazing years for Colorado. I'm just saying in this now generation, that's I think that that's not yes, it'll hit with the fan base.
I mean, maybe maybe he will, maybe not. I don't know.
This is all I know. This is all I know. Regardless of anything, his number shouldn't be retired. I'm just listen, and I'm I'm a prime. Prime is my guy. In fact, Shador Sanders played in in one of my eighth grade All Star Games. I'm a fan of Shador Sanders. But if i'm if I'm speaking purely as a purist, you know, I put myself in that position. Okay, say up, A guy goes to because it's the both sides of the ball, Like people wear eleven on the offensive.
Side of the ball.
Yeah, Matt mcgloiny, all right, and people wear it on the defense side of the ball, and you can wear it at the same time, like they'll there be a receiver wearing eleven and there'll be a linebacker wearing eleven this season.
If if a.
Quarterback came in and won the Heisman two times three times at Penn State and they decided to retire his jersey, I would be tight.
I would be very very tight about it. I would be super tight about it.
Even though I would understand this man has done something that's never been done in the history of college football and the history of Penn State athletics.
I would still be super tight.
And that's getting that many Heismans, let alone. If you don't even come close, it's not even comparable. And it's apples and oranges, but it's not even comparable. To take what Shador's career was us as a Colorado buff and in comparison to Dion figures and and maybe numbers don't matter that much. Maybe stuff like this doesn't matter as much to some people, but maybe it does. And if somebody is, aren't, aren't that respect wearing a number and doing it at at the college where you've done it at and that's not acknowledged, and that's not praise. I think that brings reproach on on everybody that was a part of it. And to think that people are going to be supportive that, like you're legends of the program. To think that people are going to be supportive of of that, and what's happening. I'll tell you what. At Penn State. There's there's two guards. There's new Guard and there's the old Guard. The old Guard. It's all about.
Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe nothing, nothing.
Moves, can't do anything, cat say anything, can't do it right, kind of like the McCartney deal, and and and and and that guard built it from nothing. Turn beaver Stadium. In the Beaver Stadium, State College is built up. You can't do you can't do right. What's your homes by the way, Uh, you can't do right by anybody who is a pure joeist, Joe, pure Joe supporter.
But then you have the new Guard that they love, James Franklin, the Beef. It's awesome. I placed rocks to tripped out. Man, go ahead, let's go to I could live. Yeah, we let let you you finish your points every time.
Every single time I say something, you jump in and instigate.
It, and then y'all do it and yeah, yeah, go ahead, go to break. I love that I couldn't even finish my point.
I know people got upset about the early starts, which again, big new kickoff. We are a prehip show. We're not a part of that. I could live in the incredible No.
I just he gave. He gave a shout out to beef. What if I I didn't do anything.
I'm serious. I'm excited to see the motivation, bro when you when I've walked in. When I entered that tunnel, it felt like something I've never felt like in my life.
I'm saying, when I went inside that tunnel, that's a tight fit in that. By the way, it's not as big as you think. Tell me about it.
It is.
The place is awesome. I don't know. I don't like this. That's unbelievable.
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That is right, it is Draft week.
Everybody embarking on Green May, Wisconsin to take in the draft. See if there's anything left over from the rubber ducky klaw machine that lead to laugh on his cohorts re stuff that ran through when he was out there during the course of the season.
Yeah, the guys who offered their place up to us, they're their culture. I don't know, they're flat whatever. Everybody's on their way in. Well, yeah, cuts, you gotta have cruts. Yeah.
Yeah, it's the trailer of all the uh, all that stuff inside of it. But yeah, so it is a draft week here, Uh feels like a foregone conclusion.
Cam Ward is going to go one.
Uh, We've got Travis Hunter going to Abdul Carter three, and then uh, you just kind of see what the Patriots do after that. There was an interesting little shift that I did see that it's been basically a two team race for who's going to draft Ashton genty. The Raiders have been the favorite, the Bears have been second, and now the Jacksonville Jaguars are in the mix.
They running back. No, Y're not fans of ATN. It just hasn't it just hasn't been what it needs to be. Last couple of years that great he's been being up. That's been one of the issues.
And so I'm wondering, did Jalen Walker perform himself at his pro date into going to the New England Patriots.
That's what I'm wondering. You think he did that much of his pro day that it changed all that. It's possible.
And here's the reason why I would think it's possible is are you confirming the measurables of him, like the way he looks physically along with the way that he moves, and you're able to see it. It's possible that they saw something. And how he performed in his drills not so much. I don't think so much in his forties or as forty or is vertical or anything like that. I think it was more so I think a lot of people came away really really blown away by his movement. And sometimes you don't necessarily get a really fair opportunity to see maybe a guy like Jalen Jalen Walker in terms of what all he can do movement wise within a game, and and then you get into a practice or into a pro day, and now it's like, Okay, this dude's ability to maneuver or the things that you know, people are saying about Abdul in terms of him grading out high because of what they saw him do in the games with his bend. You saw some of that in Jalen Walker. In fact, he won the buckets, which proves he's the you know, he was the best, you know linebacker. But I think that there are things that they may have seen that that shows the same type of characteristics in the same type of skill sets that people have been raving about over Abdul Carter as well, and we know that that's a big need for New England to get an edge.
So I'm just curious.
I don't know that, but I'm just curious if he did maybe move up to being considered at that that pick. I believe there's a conversation about taking ab Dual Carter at three and the Patriots trading up, So there's that rumor starting to come out. I kind of threw that out last week in talking about the New York Giants and some their late quarterback workouts and the reasoning behind that, and some of it being that maybe they want to trade out of the spot where they feel like Abdua Carter would be coveted. A team like New England's thing at four would love to have him. I will say this about this edge class. It's interesting you bring up Jalen Walker because he's a player that played off the ball, he could play on the ball, and he's one of those players that it kind of depends on how a team's going to view him, where they feel like he fits in their scheme, because this is actually a really loaded defensive end class. Now there's a drop off in my opinion after Abdul as far as that next group of guys. But that next group you kind of have a really interesting bunch. I mean, Schmart Stewart is getting a lot of playing conversation and about his physical tools and and how he tests and how he performs. Yet it doesn't really match up always with the tape as far as the production.
Michael Williams looks the part.
I mean, he's a guy that's gonna go I think a lot higher than people realize. James Pierce is one of the most explosives. He's undersized, but the problem is that people are a little bit worried about some of his off field stuff and his demeanor that's been talked about a bit. Mike Green out of Marshall's like an under the radar type prospect too, Lannon Jackson's interesting next, you know, skeleton out of out of Texas, and m I'm telling you this much, I don't know what DraftKings has the over under at at edge defenders in the first round. I will put it at somewhere between five and a half six and a half. I think that's where the over under would be. Five and a half. I take the over six and a half. I think it's close. I think there'll be a cutoff there at some point. But I didn't even mention j T. Twoy Milau, who I think is in that conversation.
Yeah, yeah, you asked, and you shall receive. The over under on DraftKings for total defensive linemen slash edges selected in the first round is eight and a half.
Yeah, oh my goodness.
I mean, okay, so there you go, one way under what it will probably be. It's a it's a really big class and it's in neat you know the NFL usually they want to it's not just one anymore. So there will be a lot of ends I think coming off of the board. And Jalen Walker could be thrown into that edge conversation depending on how a team views them, you know, or even a defense that is a little more versatile with how they use their off the wall linebackers, you know, putting those guys sometimes as an edge defender to rush the passer or in passing situation. So that's one of the underlying like if you're an NFL draft kind of geek or if you're into that stuff like i am, that's one of the things that I'm really looking forward to seeing is which edge defenders go where, how teams kind of see them playing within their system. Because even the body type of like Shamar Stewart who's six foot six almost three hundred pounds, and then you look at a guy like James Pierce who six five two forty three, like completely different body types, and then how they'll even be implemented and used. So lot a lot to dissect, a lot to cover in regards the NFL draft. But that's to me, the problem is we're not hearing a lot about it, Like there's not a ton of buzz about it besides maybe us touching on this right now.
And by the way, the over of eight and a half that's at minus two to ten.
That's the price on that means.
I think one in doubt these teams are going to start taking these edge defenders.
So some impressive dudes. Man, I'm a big fan of Walker, I'll say that, And.
Of course believe do you believe in this theory?
That?
And I felt like this because like I've been out of the NFL now, My last was twenty fourteen, you know, in training camp with the Dolphins, and I was training in South Florida probably starting in two thousand and nine. I originally started like training the off season Arizona and like seven o eight, But then in two thousand and nine I started going to South Florida and one of the things I noticed was a lot of kids who had kind of that that build, that size and athleticism at that age, and especially some of the coaches and some of those trainers you're around, guys were already preaching to those kids, like the guys who like wanted to play receiver or tight end but like couldn't catch, they didn't have anti coordination. Yeah, they were like preaching for them or guys honestly, who are who were like trying to play receiver because everyone wants touch the ball, right, Like when you're young and you're you're used to playing in spread systems or seven on seven, everyone wants to touch the ball. But then when you see certain dudes, you're like, hey, man, you ain't gonna be able to catch a cold. So yeah, unless you work on this, maybe you get better. But like you can go play cornerback or a d N position, edge position, and you can make a lot of money. But I feel like that trend kind of started like around that period of time where I started seeing kids who then when they were coming to the field to work out, they weren't catching passes with you anymore. They were over working on their their like edge rushers, your drills or your drop backs, whatever.
No, you're right.
I just think that there's still a there's a uniqueness to being an edge rusher or even being a multifaceted linebacker, and and and that I think that thing is how how you're wired. You know, it's it's it's one thing to be able to do it athletically. But I've always looked at like if I call a receiver a dog, like that receiver is a dog, then you're like that could translate to them being a guy that does it on the defense side of the ball if they don't have that kind of dog mentality to be able to to, you know, get over there and and deal with what.
You have to deal with.
I would say it would be a hard proposition to say that it's a trend where guys that are out there trying to play offense and play receiver end up going over and playing on the defensive side of the ball. Now, cornerback is different. That's that's you know, kind of translates like you can you got to do different things, and you got to learn different skill sets to be able to do it. But a lot of the things that like a tight end would do to get off of the ball, a lot of the things that a tight end has to do to block and all those different things, linebackers and defensive ends have to do those things as well. And so like a pass rush is no different than a pass release, a pass pattern release. And then you got to understand, you know, what are your responsibilities within doing that. Do you have a two way go or you know, do you have to maintain contain is it an inside is it because of a stunt that you got to force yourself inside. But still a lot of those things are based off of what other people are doing. And that's the same thing conceptually that you would be doing as a tight end or as a receiver. So yeah, it is more of a thing. And and the specifications of training, like you see the things with like Aaron Donald and Baldy and and uh Max Crosby and von Miller and auto they do like a pass rush summit these days. So it is a major it's a it's a big piece of the puzzle anymore. And it is certainly something that people specify on how they they you know, go about approaching their training, go doing it.
You know, there's a chance because it's the Eagles, and we mentioned you know, some Georgia bulldogs.
They got some pass rushers.
Oh yeah, and they're gonna you know, they would probably be interested in the Georgia bulldog despite whatever red flags any prospect might have. And we did find out from Howie Roseman what really the key job is for one big dom pride of Penn State. I've asked a question, what is the act actually do other than almost get in a fight with you know, members of the forty nine ers a year ago, and as we found out, he does a little bit more than that. Apparently he's the guy who identifies the issues with prospects in the draft.
This according to how he rose in the GM.
He do have objective criteria that we look at to take players off our board. So it's very easy for us to kind of get into individual arguments or make excuses for guys based on subjective factors, and I think that that's really hard to do. So for us, we start with the with these basic principles of we will not draft because of this, and when we get past those guys, then we obviously have a process that we go through that.
Starts with Dom.
I don't think there's any doubt that he's the best in the National Football League and in my opinion, really all of sports in what he does. His ability to not only gather in information, but to have a feel for people, and then we just have to make judgments, you know, in those situations. Those are a little bit more subjective, and that's based on all the information that we get Big Dom.
I don't know adult Dom, but in college Don was a cool dude. So if it's like connect, his ability to connect with people I mean Don was a cool dude.
Man. I love that though at all, Hey, what do we know about so and so? I have dom looking to it. I mean it's domb you know, you got to have a guy.
I really wonder like what does he do? Like what does he actually do a security Like? Didn't he just start off as security to Andy Reid? He did security for Andy. He's been there since ninety nine. Yeah, he did with the Eagles, and it seems.
Like it's kind of like now they've brought his his workload or you know, what his responsibilities are. But I mean, when you're I'll say this, when you're the secure for a team, you learn a lot about personalities and a lot about the quirks and how people are. And that is not reserved to just like a d lineman or you know, a you know, a volatile type of receiver or coin.
It's everybody.
And so as you learn, as you learn how that all you know plays out, you start to get a feel for if this guy is a problem or if he's just someone who's just misunderstood. There's a big difference. There's certainly a big difference. And so to me, when you got a guy that you know that they're the ones that.
Build the relationships with the players.
You know a lot of times, like I know the people I was closest with to this day, like Mike and uh.
Why am I blinking on his name right now?
But the security detail for our team when I was playing in Washington, John, John Bean, Uh, those are your guys. Like I hit them for everything, like everything, like whether it's parking on Sunday, whether it's something going on, you know, an event, whatever it may be, little things. You just hit him up, and you built that relationship and that rapport with them. So I could see where how he's coming from in terms of looking and depending on Dom to kind of get a feel for, you know, those aspects of the characteristics of a player.
Hey, we're thinking about taking so and so here. Hey, Dom, Yeah, let make a couple of calls.
Go check them out, Dom, Go shake him down. It's great, shake him down, Dom, How does that work?
What do you think he's doing behind the scenes? They probably I don't know.
Like I said, I don't know adult Dom And and really I never really hung with him all like that in college either, Like I was seeing he was like.
This big mother lover bro. He was big as s and he'd be walking.
He always had on some jeans. He always had on some tim always had some times on. And he used to have like literally like six seven eight nine T shirts on, Like I'm not even exaggerating it, like six seven eight nine T shirts.
I'd be like, bro, why you got so many T shirts on? Man? Did he play sports? Apparently? They said he played ball. I don't.
I wasn't there when he was on, when he tried or whatever however it played out. I never saw him on the field. I never saw him, but he did say he wanted to play. Because I always be like, bro, why don't you play? Why don't you come out and try out? Like you're big broh like and you look strong like he was walking around and he'd always be like full of sweats. So I used to just think that that was his like his workout deal, like to wear all them T shirts and he always had tims on. If you walk in Penn State's campus, like, bro, you're walking miles to go to class, and he walking with these T shirts.
No matter how cold, no matter how hot, he got his tims on.
God, his boots on, and he's got his jeans and his eight shirt T shirts.
I mean that was that was Big Dom. But we called him Big Dom.
Like you just see him walking Like for me, I just seen him walking like we stopped.
We talked this, that and the others about it.
Now he's making calls straight job security.
There's there's going to be Jonas. Why do you find this so funny? I just find entertainment. It just there you.
I don't know of anybody else who, like, who else has this in the NFL?
Like everyone ever got dude? But everyone does? Okay, but they've got a guy.
But they've got a guy who makes calls and finds out, Hey, who should we?
Yes, everybody does. Everyone does. I just sat there.
Told you that I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know they this applied to the draft. Other that was just game day operations.
No, got someone that's the head of security that also is going to work with local law enforcement, that's gonna work with other people who are able to do background checks. I mean, honestly, there's like pis. These teams will hire to follow prospects to get a sense for what they do on a day to day basis. In the preparation heading into the draft.
The teams that passed on Jalen Carter are going to look back at that one and go, oh boy, kind of screwed that up.
It just depends, though, It all depends because it's just it's the environment that they're in. It's the environment that they're in, and there's a lot of play. It goes in the play. And to that point, if he.
Goes on a team that doesn't have as many former college teammates and a different environment, is he going to handle himself the same way?
Who knows, but that, without a doubt plays a factor.
I think the other thing is for every Jalen Carter you want to highlight, there's also players who had a terrible REP and improved and.
Yeah, it didn't walk out who they are.
So you can, you can make a light of it, but the reality is Jonas like, there's a lot of guys who had.
That REP and they owned up to that rep and it did not help them at all. Yeah. So and then meanwhile there's other guys who are like.
Super super good dudes, try everything, but they don't have to have the talent, so they're like just hoping they can get a shot or an opportunity.
That's the fun part about the draft though, too, is there's some great stories to him. Man.
I mean even I saw a clip what Daniel Jeremiah talking to Brock Purdy about his draft evaluation of him, which I thought it was a little bit interesting. And I know we're up against it and I know what we're talking about next segment. But what was interesting about the segment was everything Daniel Jeremiah said about Brock Purdy. It was true back then, like all those things. The way he described him as a prospect was like, that's really accurate. He just happened to go as the last pick in the seventh round and obviously landing with that environment, that situation, circumstance, it's a lot of them to excel to the point where he's going to be having a contract negotiation somewhere around two hundred million dollars potentially
