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We do it here live on Draft Day. It is Draft Day. It is finally here. But you can put aside all the speculation and we can start holding people accountable for some of these garbage betting lines that are out there, these over unders, all that stuff. Now we're gonna get the real answers coming up later on tonight. How fired up are you, guys? Nice exciting, good talk. No, this is an awesome day.
This is a life changing day for so many guys out there who sacrificed a ton to get there. The parents, the caretakers, people who have poured into these young men, sacrificed so much for them to have a chance to get there, the coaches, and it's just an awesome I mean you.
Think back to all the hard work, everything that.
Goes into this stuff for these young men and and this is that moment where they get to see their dreams come true.
So there's nothing like Draft Day.
It's it's one of the most incredible events in your life, especially at this point. But more than anything else, it is the greatest reality TV of all.
Time, the best.
It's cool to be celebrated, stressful all at the same time, just because of everything that surrounds it. But the guys, what were you stressed about going on? There's always something, there's always something to stress out about in my case.
Like having to wait ten minutes to get drafted. That is that your story?
Well, well, back then they negotiated before the draft, the first pick negotiated.
I was back then. It was the same thing for me.
I was in.
But the difference between you and me was I was negotiating the night before, like I was negotiating, so I was on the phone. So I didn't I didn't feel myself getting the opportunity to really enjoy it because there were so many people talking to me. My agent was talking to me, both franchises were talking to me, and so it was kind of like I didn't get an opportunity to really like take it all in because they were Washington was threatening me kind of sort of the entire time. Cleveland was like, listen, we want you, but you know it's got to be for the right price, and so it just kept kind of dragging out. So I'm just saying for me that it was fun and it was good, but it was a bit stressful when you had people sitting there telling you, well, we might not take you because we don't think you're signable, you know. And that's like I got to listen to it, and I'm like looking at my agent, like, you know, I want to be signable. But my agent saying to trusting and I'm like, well, look man, look man, I want to be one. I wanted to go one. Look man, look hey look here, man, don't mess this up for me.
The Raiders sent i'd like a construct of a deal to four guys in our draft year, JaMarcus, myself, Calvin Johnson, and then there's one other. I can't remember who it was. I know I it was Joe Thomas or someone else. But my agent day before it was like, I don't even know what to make of this, Like it was like a very rough draft, like percentages of things. He said, I'm not really going to entertain her and take it seriously, he goes, because it's not like a real offer.
He goes, this is what they're trying to, like take it, you know, sell everyone on.
And if this is why they want to like take someone at one because they're going to take a lesser deal.
He's like, it's not a good thing.
So, you know, ultimately, I don't know that anyone did anything with whatever they sent, but eventually they end up taking Joe Argus one, Calvin went two, and et cetera. But that was it was that slash. You know, you're dealing with, at least in my case, all sorts of different information you're being passed along.
You know.
I kind of knew talking to the Cleveland Browns that I bo, Joe Thomas and I were there at three, that they were gonna take Joe.
You know.
They they told me that we talked about that, and then I'd thought, at least from what I've been told from Miami Dolphins that like I wasn't gonna go past nine because of all the conversation we had. Terry Shay was their quarterback coach on Cam Cameron's staff, and that was why I worked with for a good portion of the preparation leading up to it. Had sad some really good you know, workouts and time spending with Cam Cameron.
Now come to find out there was a bit of a relationship.
This is like I don't know if I've ever told this part of the story, there was a bit of a relationship with Terry Bisky, whose son Brian Ribiski played with Ted Gin Junior Ohio State, and apparently behind the scenes he went all in to try to see if he could persuade them to draft Ted gans Junior nine and explain who's a playmaker, his speed, his special teams, I media impact, all that stuff. So that's a little more context how it all kind of went down. But the reality is is it works out out to hell, it's gonna work out.
You know.
That didn't stretch you out. That didn't stretch you out into it.
No, not going into it like honestly I was with it was it was the first time that week because so for a lot of you know, a lot of guys when when we went to New York, you get there on like Monday. So I had been like going to different charity events, going to different promotional events. You know, I was getting up at four thirty to work out of five, you know, I was doing I had a guy who came out there who was I did some cross training with boxing, so we would go we do some cardio, we'd hit some mits, we'd then go you know, workouts to stay in shape, which I get some throws in there in the little indoor, and I was doing that every day at five. We had to be on the bus by seven, So it was a it was a not I was gonna say, like a long week or a grueling week, but you know, I was there doing kind of my normal routine of what that would look like at that time. So it wasn't like, you know, I got to like see everyone, you know, my grandma, my my family from Kentucky, like all these people came out, some of us who'd never been to New York. So I was just looking for an opportunity to see everyone. And that was really that the final opportunity got to see everyone. I think we went to some party. I remember like hold of my grandma's hand is we're walking through this this rap concert. I don't know if it was Fat Joe or who it was, but I just remember looking back up as I was like, Grandma, this same for us, and uh, I think I saw JaMarcus Russell on stage like rapping with with someone else. Oh well, uh, And so we literally walked to the front, took some pictures or whatever.
On the red carpet, and we.
Walked right out the back door, and I was like, yep, we we came. We saw, we went on, and we moved on, and then we found like an Irish bar. We went and kind of basically closed down that night. So it was just it was it was a celebration, you know. It was a big moment for I think everyone who had supported me and who had been a part of the process the entire time.
I had a ton of people there both sides. All my grandparents were still alive, my uncles, my aunts, cousins, I mean, coaches, teammates, like. I had a ton of people there, but I couldn't focus in on really really just being able to enjoy myself because it just I just didn't know.
I didn't know a little.
I felt a little bit of stress just even seeing how many people were there, you know, for me, and and I just you know, I know, I know you guys might think this sounds crazy, but I really don't like a lot of attention. Go it, laugh, do which I want to do, whatever you want to do with it, but I really don't like a ton of attention, and cause you know, y'all like to like break break on me and stuff like.
Oh, you're you're king of mammals.
Why would I like, Yeah, yeah, your your logo pictures you running a blue whale.
I'm going to say the largest creature I'm going to So anyway, Uh so Cleveland, Cleveland was trying to get the deal done, and I kind of I, if I'm being honest, I didn't want to play for Cleveland. I one hundred percent wanted to go to Washington at two.
They get that though you grew up, you grew up in Pittsburgh, like you probably thought, well, I wanted to go to Pittsburgh.
I wanted to go to Pittsburgh.
But I'm just saying, like, if you grew up in me, I don't like Cleveland, right right, I probably thought they were awful.
Uh they they weren't good. They were not They definitely were not good.
And they were so what year was this, two thousand So they just came back and that so they were an expansion team too, Like that's the other part of it is there.
Wasn't came back right yeah, right, yeah.
Their first year back was nineteen ninety nine, so there was one year removed from the expansion draft.
Like I like Wally Rayner, Like, there were a couple guys that I liked there, but I just.
Didn't want to go there stealing and dirty. I'm looking at that draft class right now.
They they're at eight. They were at eight.
Yeah, but they but Washington had the second and the third pick.
Was and third yea, and they weren't giving them up. They were they they knew exactly who they were going, like twenty twenty hindsight, they knew exactly who they were taking, you know, at that point. But they started negotiating with me, like, well, because here's what's wild. Dan Snyder told me to pull my my my junk out and in the center of the Cleveland Brown's helmet logo, do my business on it, throw the deuces up, and tell them I.
Don't even need to do this meeting. I'm going to Washington.
Right Wait what that's what he.
Told me, my, that's he told me at my last meeting.
Right.
Probably that should have been a red flag. It should have been a red flag.
But that also would pump you up, would not like like, well then then the prop me up?
Hell yeah, you know, I mean then in the moment, I was like, yeah, of course, that's what I'm saying, like.
I don't want to.
Look, I'm being all literal to the dude. I was like, look, I don't want to get in trouble, and I don't. I don't want to get in between any of you guys, is like your ownerships, like kind of like beefs or anything like that. I don't want to get arrested. But I mean, if you really want me to do it, you know that. We started laughing.
But I can't.
But that kind the first sign, by the way, that was the first and that was first red flag. But and you don't know it. You don't realize, like, dang, this dude is crazy. In the moment, you're like, oh, man, like this dude's like he loves me this, that and the other. He thinks like this that you're the most awesome person in the world to die, this, that and the other. And I'm coming here, right So I go back to Cleveland. I tell Cleveland you got to pay me quarterback money. If you don't pay me somewhere around fourteen. Look, fourteen guaranteed. Is that crazy? I'll pay me something like fourteen guaranteed.
I'm not I can't. I can't do.
It, like we can't do it.
And they were like, yeah, we're not going to give you that, and so I was like, well, I'm gonna stay firm on fourteen, and they went and got Courtney. Courtney's agent was like, well, what is he asking for. I went to Courtney. I told Corty, I said, don't negotiate with them, just tell them your number, cause I'm they've clearly established that they're talking to me and him, which is unique, you know, because me and him were going to be the first my teammate went first overall in that draft, so that was pretty cool. So we're on the phone and I'm telling him like, I'm not going to negotiate with him no more, so push it up as high as you can.
Right.
So then once they found out, Vinnie Serrado was calling my agent's like, look, man, Dan told me, if he's not signable, we want them. We want to take him at too, but we will take them at three if we have to, just to kind of, you know, kind of knock it down just a little bit, make it more negotiable. So you got to be negotiable at too. So they were negotiating against their third pick as well. In the scenario, So it was interesting. It was an interesting experience. But yeah, that that was kind of how it went for me. And I had a baby on the way, Keno. Keno was in the in the oven and he was cooking up. So I had a pregnant ass baby mama on my hands at that time. Well I loved her at the time. She was my fiance at the time. But you know, different story now. But part of the koyfish, I mean, she didn't make it.
She didn't make it.
So and them koy fish aq aq them coyfish didn't deserve to go.
She did anyway. I got to throw that out there too, by the way. Hell and she didn't.
Deserve to be there, but my son did even though he wasn't here. So I don't know how that one works, But to that point, there were a lot of people that were supposed to be there and we had a really, really good time.
Man.
But I just they had more fun than I did, and I thought that was pretty cool. Like, my uncles are the reason why I played ball and played the way that I did. I patterned myself after Westinghouse, which was a super City City League school. My uncles played there. They were super super fire dudes, and you know, they just never were they could make it to that that level. Didn't make it to that level, I should say. And and so for them to have the opportunity to live it out, it was pretty That was pretty cool.
So it's like a wedding, if it's your wedding.
More people, it's kind of like a wedding, yeah, or a funerals, whichever one you want to call it. Who geez, I was a funeral for me. I ain't know it was a funeral, they said. When they called my name, they just been like dead man walking.
Bears all look the same.
The reality is and this is where I feel like a lot of young men.
Oh, there's a couple of things.
A lot of young men are more prepared for this now than ever because the process they've already been introduced to negotiations, they've already had some sort of professional formality to actually playing football in college. A lot of these guys have been getting paid, so it probably feels a bit different.
I'm not saying that.
When you go d one that it wasn't in a way a step or part of the dream coming true. But now you're getting paid on top of that too, in some cases millions of dollars for some of these college kids. And I do wonder if that wears off the luster of it a bit, because you know, I remember the days of being in zomb hall and scrounging it together, change to go get a piece of pizza in her basement so I could have dinner that night. Like I remember some of the different struggles that you have as a college student when you work a job and you're trying to manage it and you're trying to have enough cash or money because the dining hall is closed by the time I got done with practice and treatment and then watching film and bringing stuff down preparing for the next day, and then had to go to study hall like there was no time.
And so I remember all those things.
I think back to just how much of a rejoice it was to be able to then be able to do it as a pro and not have some of the burdens that came along with that. I shouldn't say burdens, but the responsibilities that came along with that. So in one way, like I do wonder if draft Day feels the same for these guys. When I mean think about Bryce leunder with a kid in Michigan. He's just supposed we signed a deal of twelve million, Like does it? I mean, it's more money.
It feels great. It's again another step.
But you're making money now, like real money as walking as a freshman.
It's kind of crazy.
And one of the things that I wanted to bring up that I was reading about the draft and some of the things, and I don't know if it was this might even Jay Glazer who put this out there, who LeVar you will be working with tonight a PM Eastern time NFL Draft covers. Don't look anywhere else tween Fox, don'twhere LeVar, Joe.
Douglas, Jay Glaizer, Jenny Tapp, they got you covered.
Yeah, But I wanted to point out that medical we've always known there's some teams that just take a guy off the board because they don't feel like he'll be able to do it. There's character, which is another thing right off the field issues they.
Just feel like he's a dirt bag.
And then there's a third thing they've brought up that they don't love football. And he said there's a number of players now that they don't know what exactly to attribute it to. But they do feel like this nil era of college football player has led now to this point of are they doing it for the money or football? If they really don't love football, We're not sure we want to draft them. They're not on our board because we for this guy is not really about what this game takes, what it's about.
It's pretty interesting.
I mean, you do.
I do wonder how many players now their goal is to go to the NFL or their goal is, man, if I can get to college and it's a good spot and I can make a little bit of money, maybe I can look elsewhere. It's not the end all be all like it used to be.
Yeah, but it's still I mean, more often than not, it's still about trying to get to the money. The money represents a landing place, a destination for you know, most guys who didn't grow up with money or grew up even with the structure and conversations that help you understand what having a job or you know, what that looked like, you know, being in the real world, didn't have all of that, that guidance, I mean, that was that was it. So you know, guys can say, well, I love the game, but if you were to say, well, what's the motivation, They'll say, oh, to take care of my mother, or to take care of you know, my baby sister or whatever everybody has there, you know, the chickens. Yeah, everybody will come up with, you know, what has driven them and what has taken them to you know that point. So, I mean, you're going to find out if they love the game once you start paying them, So I guess it'd be good to figure it out. I guess, all right, well, do you love the game because you're making money in college?
I mean, that's an interesting you know, that's an interesting.
Category to start judging players off of, because I think people would be lying if they said that they have the idea of making a seventh figure having a seven figure job or even a high six figure job coming out of college and you were able to earn it and play for it doing it on the field. I mean, I think people would be lying. Too many, too many, not too many people would say, I don't do it for the money. I don't do it for it just the pure love of the game. I mean, some of that that motivation as to why people played away they play is to get to the money. So I mean, Jerry Maguire said it best. You know, Tom Cruise said it best, like show me the money, and that was based off of getting what he got a new deal that wasn't a draft.
But I mean, there he goes Cuba Gooding Junior, who was well to see the money the quand it was it was Cuba the kwand yeah, yeah, I don't know though, but so.
Hold on, hold on. How much were you offered? You said you're off in thirteen or fourteen?
I told him I won at fourteen. I ended up with ten. I ended up at Okay. So think about that.
Bryce Underwood, the freshman quarterback in Michigan, is getting twelve or more supposedly on his way in college.
There you go that, I mean that' take away some of the edge. Yes, one hundred, that'll take away some of the edge.
And I do I do wonder like at what point will it stop? Because college football is an expanding sport and landscape. The ratings have continually gone up and the media rights have continually gone up, like this thing's only going to go up for the foreseeable future. And I just it's crazy to think what these guys are gonna cost or what they'll be making, I guess, is the other way of putting it, and that doesn't include like what other marketing gets involved.
I mean, it's it's gonna be wild and.
The whole eligibility but with the settlement, as far as you know what the requirement's going to be is going to be you have to play five years.
To play four.
Are they gonna get rid of the eligibility rules altogether where guys can play for five six years? I mean, think about that. There's a realistic scenario where the eligibility rules are going to be challenged and this will almost feel like a minor league to the NFL, and it might feel like more comparable at some schools like Texas, Ohio State, maybe Michigan, teams of deep pockets, Penn State, I don't know how deep the pockets are, maybe Penn State, Georgia, a Bama. These schools they might be able to We're not gonna have a salary cap of you know, two hundred million, at least not now. But if we're being real, Ohio State's is over twenty last year and it's only gonna build from there. Now we've got Kurt Signetti saying some teams are paying forty they've got a roster of forty million. Some are closer to you know, past that. So that's so it's doubled in one year's time. Like that means it's gonna get there by twenty thirty if it keeps growing.
At the rate it's growing.
Twelve million and twelve million, that's is that the most that a quarterback is.
Getting or on his on his way in?
But right now, I mean you you would presumably say sixteen would be the most over four years, because I believe Beck's getting four and Nico wanted four, and the average supposedly based on a data opened the doors.
Is over three.
So do the math on that, man, Like more guys are getting that too. That's just a that's a freshman who's ever played before. Brock Party's made two point eight in his career. He went to a super Bowl.
That's it.
Yeah, Nico I Amaliaba has made more during his time at Tennessee than brock Purty has so far as the NFL career.
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This top ten.
No takes time for Brady quinn explosive mock draft.
And it starts with number one.
The number one.
Yeh uh, probably the worst kept secret. Tennessee Titans who are looking for a quarterback. They're in the position to take the best quarterback. Did they field calls for the number one overall pick? You bet they did. Did they answer any or actually pick up and say, oh, yeah, well, maybe think about doing that with you?
Of course not.
It's the Tennessee Titans taking quarterback cam Ward out of the University of Miami formerly of Washington State, formerlya of.
Incarnate word, the record setting quarterback.
It doesn't bother them that he only played the first half of the bowl game just because he wanted to set the record and then let his team go ahead and get beat in the end. A lot of people at Miami Modeste and half in that one, they were not excited about that. That being said, cam Ward the best quarterback in this draft class according to many. He goes to the Tennessee Titans to try to turn around that franchise with the first overall pick oh.
Number two at number two.
Now, explain some about this draft. This is not what I think they're going to do. It's not necessarily what I would do if I was in their position, although it's more that than it is anything else.
This is partially too as far as how I see the prospects.
So a number two, the Cleveland Browns are selecting a guy that I think would be a menace for opponents and a guy where you put him opposite of Miles Garrett. It creates a tandem that's going to be called sack City. And I'm not talking about Jonas's old stopping Okay.
Abdul Carter, the.
Edge rusher at a Penn State university. You pair him with Miles Garrett. It is a lethal combination. I know what the odds say. I know they say to take Travis Hunter. They could play him as a wide receiver. Maybe that's where Cleveland sees them. I see him more as a cornerback. I think you can mix him in his wide receiver. That's where you get the most out of him. And it doesn't make sense for a fit for Cleveland if you be playing a corner back. Abdull Carter he's sure as heck does. So I've got Abdull.
Carter going number two overall to the Cleveland Browns. Number three shaked up at number three comes in a player who with his versatility, with his star power, his ability to impact both sides of the football, makes the most sense for a team who's looking for that sort of dynamic playmaker, and that's Travis Hunter, the wide receiver quarterback out of the University of Colorado.
He goes to the New York Giants.
He provides a weapon now only for Russell Wilson or Jamis Winston, but also a cornerback who can help improve that defense. So Travis Hunter makes the most sense here.
In my mind.
Number four, at number four, it stays Chockey the New England Patriots new head coach Mike Rabel. You know he loves the trenches and that's where he's going to go here with one of the best tackles in the draft in Will Campbell. It's a need for this team. They got to protect their quarterback Drake may who was under dressed way too much last year. Will Campbell is the guy that I really like in this spot as far as his attitude, his demeanor, high level of play. I could care less about his short arms. I don't think Mike Brabel does either, So Will Campbell's the pick here out of LCU at tackle for New England. Number five at number five, we've seen a lot of momentum for this and I think it makes sense too to add a playmaker to help out take the pressure off Trevor Lawrence's shoulders, and that's Ashton Genty. He's the best running back in this draft class. He can really do it all, and I think he adds a boost to an offense that's tried to rely too much on Lawrence to carry them. Travis Etena's battle some health issues, and even then, you know you don't have to necessarily throw Ashton genty into the fire right away. He can slowly work his way in, as he did have a bunch of carries his final year at Boise State. But Ashton Genty, the home run hitting running back out of Boise State, goes.
Number five overall.
Number six, Las Vegas needs some help on the offensive line, and this is where I feel like the loss of leguas Raiders who are going to try to build through the trenches. When you look at Spy deck to their general manager who they've brought in.
He's typically done this in the past, and this is where I.
Feel like they lean on one of the other better tackles that's available in this spot. Armand Membo out of Missouri makes a lot of sense in this pick to shure up the protection.
For Las Vegas moving forward.
So I've got Armin Membo going number six o goal to help protect.
Gino Smith number seven.
This is one where I'm just drafting because I love the player and I feel like he's a he's versatile, he could do a bunch of things.
He's a playmaker for them, and.
I think the Jets are going to need a little bit of that with justin fields to take.
The pressure off.
That's why I've got him taking Penn State's tight end Tyler Warren number seven. Overall, you can make the case for some other positions here. I just feel like eventually, given again his versatility, his ability to catch, his ability to run the football and do a bunch of different things, is going to be a guy that I think you look even in short yard in situations. We know about the touch push, I don't know that you even need that with Tyler Warren. You just need the guy who can go into a quarterback sneak like he can, and so he could do a bunch of different things for this roster that I think helps take some of the pressure off of what is presumed to be their starting quarterback.
In justin fields this.
Year number eight trade alert Alert.
Alert, Oh oh oh.
The New Orleans Saints at number nine have been getting calls about teams trying to trade up with him, and they've got a specific player in mind, so they called up to reassure themselves they would be able to get this player by trading up one spot with the Carolina Panthers, since they didn't want to get leaped frog like we saw in last year's draft where the Las Vegas Raiders found.
Themselves without a quarterback.
So number nine, the New Orleans Saints trade up to the number eight overall spot with the Carolina Panthers. That the trade exchange is this the Panthers, they traded to move back one spot to the number nine overall pick, and they also get pick one to twelve, a fourth round pick that moves them back and gives them an opportunity to still pick them.
Another quality player.
The Saints then select quarterback Jackson Dart out of ol Miss. It feels like there's a lot of momentum building potentially some people have talked about them taking them, trading back up into.
The first round to take them. Why risk that chance?
Instead, they go ahead and get the future quarterback and Jackson Dart out of Old Miss here at the.
Number eight spot.
Number nine, and this is where the Carolina Panthers now slide back a spot to take a player who I think is going to impact them off of the edge.
They gave up Bryan Burns. They need to replace that.
It's gonna be Mickel Williams, the edge defender out of Georgia. Makes a lot of sense for some of the needs that Carolina has here. He's that next guy kind of up and I think it makes again sense for a team that needs to help him prove their defense. Number ten and finally number ten, the Chicago Bears.
This pick is a bit of a need, I think for the Bears, but.
Also a player that I absolutely love, and I think there's a lot of people who love him more than people want to admit and I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't go off before this. But Josh Simmons, the tackle out of Ohio State. He can play outside, he can play inside. He is to me one of the more smooth operators at the tackle position, really on the offensive line in general. I think the world of him. I think he makes a lot of sense for protecting Caleb Williams and for Ben Johnson.
You go back to his time in Detroit.
They build up that offensive line through the draft continually went time and time again. I think it's a no brainer here they go with an offensive lineman, my guy, Josh Simmons, That's who I'd go with here.
Outstanding. Yeah, I got questions. Most difficult to decision in your top ten that made you go back and forth thinking, I don't know if I want to go with that.
Probably the New Orleans Saints and trading and then also taking a quarterback. I think you could make a case for the de tackle out of Old miss There. They've got a need there. There's there's edge that you know, they could take Jalen Walker, they could take Mike kil Williams. That was that whole entire situation, the trade. Who Carolina took, who New Orleans is going to take in that case. But the reality is. I don't know that we're going to see a ton of trades. I feel like teams are somewhat sloughted where they're at. We saw a report yesterday about basically the asking price being seventy cents on the dollar. And in the trade scenario I presented, going based off the draft value chart, it's fifty points difference to go from number nine to number eight. And so the value of the one hundred and twelfth pick overall, which is the fourth round pick that in this scenario that I gave up, was seventy points.
So it kind of sweetens the pot a bit.
I think for Carolina to move back one spot knowing they're going to get a four round pick that's just outside of the top one hundred.
How confident are you on this list?
Like?
How again?
Not not confident at all because my number two pick goes completely against the draft odds, which which you know, again it doesn't always mean that's how the draft's gonna work.
We've seen it change before.
But and this is what it should be.
Well think about it.
I mean, you don't think Miles Garrett across from abdoor Carter makes sense.
I don't disagree with you.
That's why i'm as because I want you to look at that Brady Quinn reasoning so I can feel confident that you know, because I feel the same way.
I feel like.
If you look at the Giants, the Giants don't make any sense unless you're gonna play him off the ball, which you'd probably go more Jalen Walker in that case. He's got a little bit more experience doing that. But also they've got Brian Burns, who really they don't have an out in that contract until after twenty twenty six, and Kevon Thibbodeau's still in his rookie deal.
So I just don't see.
Any scenario where they're going to take Abdul Carter and then keep all three. So maybe the Giants have something else planned, But in this case, I would think that they would take someone who can impact their roster at the wide receivers spot, which they need, but also help them out on defense and also be you know, a superstar. I think Travis Hunter would make more sense with the Giants, and Abdul Carter makes more sense.
With the Browns.
It does interesting when you break it down like that make more sense, and if you're looking to take advantage of that DraftKings right now, Abduall Carter going number two is plus six point fifty and Travis Hunter going three is plus seven hundred, So if this plays out, you can.
Make a little bit of coin on that.
If you want to bet two and three on DraftKings.
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We made it?
We made it, guys. I get all this information rattling around in my head that's going to be mostly worthless in three days. So let's go.
What's the most interesting thing you've heard in the last few hours about a potential surprise in the first round.
Yeah, I think it's like I think, just it's going to be a really unpredictable first round, you know, Like I I you know, I look at like Kat McMillan, for example, and I could see him going five to Jacksonville, eleven to San Francisco. I could see him falling the Green Bay at twenty three or the Rams at twenty six. Like I could see, you know, I could see Matthew Golden going twelve to the Cowboys, or maybe like fiving all the way to the bottom of the first round, you know, like Josh Simmons, like could he go to the Ravens, could he go to the Chiefs? Could he fall out of the first round. It's just there's such a huge variants for so many of these players, you know, And I think that's kind of the exciting thing about tonight is like once we get through the first few picks, there's going to be a fair amount of of of unpredictability and volatility. I mean, I think the first three go chok. I think the first four go chok. I think I think you're you're going to see it where it's you know, where it's it's it's War to the Titans, Hunter to the Browns, Carter to the Giants, Campbell to the Patriots. And then I think there's a chance all hell breaks loose, you know, and I think Ashon genty goes there. I feel pretty confident the tackles. The next two tackles, Banks and Membo don't fall very far. But other than that, like I you know, I think this thing is really really volatile where there are a lot of guys in the first round that have like a fifteen to twenty pick range in where they could go.
I guess that or we've been looking at his over under and in regards to.
His draft position, it's been bouncing all around the first round. Does he get drafted tonight? And if if you say he's going to like a percentage chance that he does, or percentage chance he drops out in the second round.
So this is like a tricky one.
I think.
I don't think he's gonna go third overall. I don't think he's going ninth overall. I think if he goes, if he does not go twenty first to the Steelers, I think there's a good chance he falls out of the first round. Now somebody could come back in and get him. The hard thing is the hard part for me, guys, I'm just having a hard time finding a team that I can connect him to, you know, And that sometimes to me can be a sign of like a guy falling. And you know, I like, for example, like Jackson Dart, like I've heard you know, Jackson has had a lot of one on one time with with Brian daveall built a good relationship there. I heard the Saints like him too, Tyler Shuck. I've heard that the the Kevin Stefanski you know has has really taken a liking to him, and and the Browns could get him in a second round. Jalen Milroe, like the Steelers have had a good experience getting to know Jalen Milroe. I'm just having a harder time with schedule or just as far as finding a team to connect him to. Now that might mean nothing, you know what I mean, It only takes one And I would have told you last year, like and I've used this comparison a few times with you guys like oh, bo Nicks could easily fall out of the first round, it didn't matter because there was one team that loved him. And Sean Payton thinks his own way and doesn't care what anyone else thinks, and he took him at twelve. And the guy Damn Near who was Rookie of the Year second behind behind Jayden Daniels who had a historic season. You know, so I don't know it is the best answer, Like I I think he can go twenty one to the Steelers, but if he doesn't buckle up, you know, I think there's a chance he falls out of the first round.
I'm glad you mentioned the Steelers because that was the first thing that popped in my head when you say a hard time connecting a team. Why is it hard to connect the Steelers with Shador Sanders? And then my second question is, well, let me add this to it. Do we see something happen with Aaron Rodgers if something doesn't happen with with the Steelers getting a quarterback?
So here's that's like sort of the moving parts that are that are at play here, LeVar.
I just so.
But here's the thing is like, if they do feel like they're gonna wind up with Aaron Rodgers, and I honestly think they're not sure right now, but like if they do feel like, you know, we're gonna we got a good chance to wind up with Aaron Rodgers. And then you look at the makeup of their team. Right in their makeup of their team, they've got you know, TJ. Watt At going going on thirty one, they got to make it fits Patrick going on twenty nine. They got DK metcalf A on a on a third contract. They have a young group of offensive linemen that are also on the rookie deals that are coming together, Like they really really feels like they're in a sweet spot right now, or if they're going to win with this group of players, it's got to be now. If you feel confident that you're going to wind up with Aaron Rodgers, can you afford to have the twenty first pick in the draft be somebody that's not going to play for you this year?
You know?
And if they get Rogers should do or won't play for them this year, you know. So I think that's part of the equation for them as well. And you know, somebody mentioned this to me last night, and I thought this was sort of interesting. This is a coach who knows that plays pretty well. He said, I think they're spooked by what happened with Kenny Picket, you know, and like with shaud Or, you might get shades of Kenny Picket a little bit, where the guy won in college, but you know, like physically it's just not overwhelming. You know. You don't see like he's a good athlete, not a great athlete. He doesn't have great arm talent, Like, are the Steelers affected by that to some degree? It's I think it's a complicated situation. So we'll see what happens. But I certainly think that I certainly think that that, you know, he could go to the Steelers, and if he doesn't, like there are pretty solid reasons.
Why Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get him on x at Albert Breer. This is a little bit of a two part question for you, Abe. But if there is a trade into the top ten, who are the teams involved and who's the player they're targeting.
So two teams I heard going up are Denver and Houston that could go up. If it's if it's Denver, like I think it's for Ashton Gent. If Houston goes up, I would say it's for an offensive lineman. I just don't know that they're going to go all the way up like that. Like the Texans do have an extra third round pick, but they're a little light on Day three, and so, like you know, I think I think if it's like a it would have to be like a Kelvin Banks or somebody like that, who I have going six to the Raiders. But you have to be like a Banks or someone like that starting to slide into the teams. I just don't know that they have the firepower to get up into the top ten. And so you know, I would say I would say Denver would be a team to watch to go into the top ten. And then if there's movement within the top ten, maybe a Chicago or somebody like that. I think Genty is the player that somebody's going up for. Here's the reason why. I think, because Pat, when you get when you get past Hunter and Carter, you're looking at will Campbell and armand Membu and Calvin Banks. See, yeah, the good players. Is any Are any of those guys ever going to be a top ten tackle? Maybe not right? You know, Jalen Walker, mikeel Williams. Are they going to be among the ten best pass rushers in football? Maybe not? And then you look at Genty and I think it's easy to look at Genty and say this could be one of the three or four best bats in football really quickly, you know. And so I think that that's why Jen He's kind of the one that some teams are looking at and saying, if we can get a discount to go up in the top ten or go up within the top ten. It's cheaper than it normally wouldn't be because teams are so desperate to move down. Maybe this is a player that we take advantage of that.
For Hey, you mentioned Josh Shimmons attackle out of Ohio State, essentially dropping.
He's a guy that I love his tape below his film. Is that more injury related?
Because when I when I watch him, I think he's as talented as any of them.
Yeah, I think it's I think it's two things. I think it's Andrew. I think his character and I don't think it's like a bad guy character Brady. I think it's more. You know, I think like when I hear people could like talk about him from a character standpoint, it sort of reminds me of the way that people talked about Dez Bryant, you know, when he was coming out in twenty ten, where it's just you know, Dez had them growing up to do. I think Dez needed like handholding, you know, to some degree, and you know, like des was somebody I remember when he was coming out it was like, you know, it would really be good for him if he went to the right kind of place, like he went to a place that was established with veterans around him. I think that's, you know, sort of what Josh Simmons needs, which might be why some of the teams that aren't as established might be scared away a little bit more by him. But I don't think he's a bad kid by any measures. Like I think he's you know, I think he's a from everything I understand, a good kid. Now that the injury is not a non factor because you know, you got a a a tel attendant with a big man like that's that's a tough injury to come back from. So like I think you have to be comfortable with red shirting him, which is another element to it. So you know, that's why I look at it, and I could see Baltimore taking him, you know, they're in the twenties. I could see Kansas City taking him at thirty one, Like I think, you know, as teams that have you know, a strong established culture where if they have to red shirt him, it's not the end of the world, you know, because coming back from that injury isn't going to be easy, at least in year one.
Maybe there's been a lot of kind of discussions in terms of the number one overall pick and it being a foregone conclusion that it's cam Ward and I get all of that, but has there been a lot of like kind of internally from your perspective, conversations debating the fact that maybe this is that one time where you say, Okay, we get it. It's a quarterback and we need a quarterback. And there's that whole idea of trying to find a franchise quarterback. But is there any real pushback right now that would lend to the idea that maybe Tennessee would be better off going with a more bona fide contributor right away than taking a player that maybe doesn't necessarily grade out like you would want to grade out for that number one overall pick. Oh yeah, that's because of the position.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I will best Definitely that definitely exists, like this feeling that you know, cam Wore got pushed up a little bit because he is a quarterback. And yeah, I will say this, like you know, I I I did a lot of work on the quarterbacks just talking to you know, coach, And again, like I would say this to you guys, this cant of yet I'm not a scout, you know, but I I like I talked to a lot of people over the last couple of weeks specific Yeah, thanks Brady, I appreciate you emphasizing that over the over the last, over the last, and like one thing that seems like pretty like it's a pretty strong consensus is that that Cam is the best one in this class. And you know, I just think if you're the.
Titans, I get it, Like this is a guy where you you look at it and say, if you can build a good environment around him and you can give him support early on because it looks like they're going to play him right.
There's still some rawness to his game, but he has the highest ceiling, you know. And again, if you're like looking up at like that Mount everest of quarterbacks in the AFC, where it's God, we're gonna have we may have to go through three of these guys chip to make it to a super Bowl, and you're looking at Burrow and and Lamar and and Alan and Mahomes and then you know, just after those four, the Big Four, you know you got you know, your C. J. Strouds, your TREVORL. Lawrence is R. Drake mays. You know these guys that could that could elevate, you know, I think Cam Moore is the guy because you know, he's the one where it's like you can actually, you know, close your eyes and envision that, like you can envision it with the physical traits that he has that maybe he eventually gets there. I think it's harder to do it with the other quarterbacks in the class.
AB before we let you go, you got a bold prediction. You got something bold off the off the radar that maybe you know not a lot of people have that you're calling your shot on.
I mean, I I don't know, I got I There's a lot of stuff out there, you know. I think, like I mentioned McMillan, right, I mean I think like one real shot an there would be like McMillan going eleven to the Niners, which like it sounds crazy, but like you know, they are where they are with Brandon and Yuk right now coming back off the A C L. Juwan Jennings is in the contract year. They have Ricky pearsall coming back. So look at the idea is we want to be really good around brock party. I could see that happening. I also think these connections really make these these connections are really important, you know what I mean. And there's a connection there with Tech McMillan's college coach for two years and Jed Fish, who you know was a disciple of Mike Shanahan's.
You know.
The other one is like I think at the Giants take a quarterback tonight, I think it's going to be Jackson Dart. And this is another one where there are connections. Now, I mentioned Dave All spent a lot of time with with Jackson Dart over the last couple of months. Jackson Dart, the people in in in in Oxford talk very very ali him and his offensive coordinator is Charlie Weiss junior. Okay, who is David Brady, Who's Brian dave All's mentor.
I mean Charlie Weiss is one of them.
Yeah, Charlie Weiss is one of them. Right, So there's just like that, like I think the Giants have gotten outstanding information on Jackson Dart and I think, you know, and I've talked to Charlie. Charlie loves loves, loves, loves, loves loves Jackson dares He'll and he'll tell you that and he'll and he'll tell you everybody's got it wrong on this kid. So you know, I think that the Giants that they take a quarterback tonight, I'm gonna just say I would think it'll be Jackson dar.
Hey, Albert, real quick, I did want to ask you this before I let you go. We noticed, like only fifteen guys are going to this year's draft. Some guys have actually decided not to attend in Green Bay that originally had committed to. Do you see a world where they have to incentivize and pay these players to go. It feels like we're living in a world now we have to pay these young men to do anything. Is that maybe gonna happen in the future in your mind?
I mean, we've talked about that with a combine, right too, Like I mean, I like where you have to tay as the top guys to come to the combine.
Now to that point, I just saw a lists two.
By the way, there's like ten prospects who not even injury I related, haven't done anything like, did not know any measurables from combine pro day nothing, which is yeah, I mean too.
It's a Marvin Harrison effect, right, Like I mean Marvin, and I think Marvin was different, like you know what I mean, Like I think, so I think that this is going to evolve over time, Brady, Right, Like I think for these guys it's going to be like try starting to think about it differently, and like, I think that that's going to evolve and mature over time. Like there's a guy who I would tell you made a mistake not running. That's Will Johnson from Michigan.
Right.
I think he's a really good player, really really good player, but there's a perception that you and have good long speed. So he doesn't run at this pro day that he does in April. And you know, I had a team tell me, like, if I think you're four to six and then you don't run, it basically confirms to me yere four six, you know. And like if Will Johnson was the consensus number one corner in the class and he was definitely going to go top ten, I would advise him not to run. But if he wasn't that you know what I mean. Like, So, like I think that there are different answers for different kids. And it's not just well, you have to run at some point anymore. I think it's well, I got to weigh this, and I got a weigh like if I have a bad day or if I if I slip coming out of my start, like how that could cost me? You know. I just think there's going to be much more of a cost benefit analysis on all of these things with a lot of these guys. That includes working out, and I think that even includes, you know, things like attending the drafts, Like I mean, there's probably going to be a way to make money off of doing the drafts at your house now right like you could probably I mean, I don't know, would under armour come over and and and deck out your living room with with uh with all kinds of stuff like that, you know, turns it into into something else. There's just stuff like that I think you're going to be able to do in the future that's gonna you know, make these business decisions for all the players, which I don't think necessarily is the most horrible thing in the world.
A B.
We appreciate a good study again.
Brady Brady. Brady Brady, I would say, like it's I think there's going to be competition for the kid. Like when your first question you asked about like are they gonna have to pay him to come. Like I think that sort of competition could wind up, could wind up existing for the player's time on Draft night in the future.
I can see that get him on X at Albert Breer. We'll be watching, we'll be following along. Thanks so much, A B. We appreciate it.
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