This is the best of two pros and a couple Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox on radio.

This is the best of two pros and a couple Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox on radio.

I gotta be honest with you, first of all, good morning, Good morning. I got nothing from that game last night in the NBA Finals that that that seemed like exactly the way that game was gonna go. Yeah, and the second Game one ended and Indiana won that game, Like my mind completely focused on Game three. It was almost like, yeah, we know what's gonna happen. All right, Oklahoma City is gonna respond. They're a really good team, and then the series is going to be tied, and then we turn our sights to Indiana for Game three and then we figured it out from there.

I gotta be honest with you, first of all, good morning, Good morning. I got nothing from that game last night in the NBA Finals that that that seemed like exactly the way that game was gonna go. Yeah, and the second Game one ended and Indiana won that game, Like my mind completely focused on Game three. It was almost like, yeah, we know what's gonna happen. All right, Oklahoma City is gonna respond. They're a really good team, and then the series is going to be tied, and then we turn our sights to Indiana for Game three and then we figured it out from there.

That's what it felt, and I think that that's that's the right approach. You knew that this was somewhat of a backs up against the wall type of game for OKCUH. They responded, well, I didn't think that they would cover the ten point spread.

That's what it felt, and I think that that's that's the right approach. You knew that this was somewhat of a backs up against the wall type of game for OKCUH. They responded, well, I didn't think that they would cover the ten point spread.

What was it like ten and a half?

What was it like ten and a half?

I believe it was eleven or eleven and a half when I when I submitted my you know deal, it was at ten and a half, I believe, And I said you know what, okay See will win. They will hit the over the game, will hit the over on points, which I believe it did, but I was I was incorrect on them covering, So give them a lot of credit. They bounced back. You know, Sga is a beast. He does what he's going to do. It's a matter of is he going to get you know, his help. You know, Jay Williams contributed. Caruso showed up last night. He contributed, and it wasn't just on the defense side. He gave them points. But I think the tail of the tape. Honestly, my takeaway from watching the game was if if OKC can maintain that high level of defense where they just make it totally uncomfortable for the Pacers to be able to find any type of rhythm in their offensive sets, any type of you know, kind of comfort or or continuity. It just it just didn't seem like the Pacers could find that in this this last game. And I just wonder, can can okay See continue to play defense at that high of a level that it totally disrupted their entire their entire flow of in fact, didn't allow Indiana to really get into a real flow during the course of this game.

I believe it was eleven or eleven and a half when I when I submitted my you know deal, it was at ten and a half, I believe, And I said you know what, okay See will win. They will hit the over the game, will hit the over on points, which I believe it did, but I was I was incorrect on them covering, So give them a lot of credit. They bounced back. You know, Sga is a beast. He does what he's going to do. It's a matter of is he going to get you know, his help. You know, Jay Williams contributed. Caruso showed up last night. He contributed, and it wasn't just on the defense side. He gave them points. But I think the tail of the tape. Honestly, my takeaway from watching the game was if if OKC can maintain that high level of defense where they just make it totally uncomfortable for the Pacers to be able to find any type of rhythm in their offensive sets, any type of you know, kind of comfort or or continuity. It just it just didn't seem like the Pacers could find that in this this last game. And I just wonder, can can okay See continue to play defense at that high of a level that it totally disrupted their entire their entire flow of in fact, didn't allow Indiana to really get into a real flow during the course of this game.

Yeah, you can't breathe.

Yeah, you can't breathe.

They just they suffocate you because no matter where you are, they got somebody on the wing, they can get you. They got some download they can get you. There's no weakness defensively for them. And that's why they've been such a pain in the ass for everybody all year. It's why they won, you know, sixty eight games during the course of the season. Was Yeah, SGA has been great, and he's the MVP, and they've got talent offensively that can score. But defensively they're fantastic. I mean, somebody have called it one of the best defensive teams we've seen in a long time in years in the NBA, which is kind of a kind of a breath of fresh air on that front, because so many teams are, you know, giving up one hundred twenty one hundred and twenty five points a game or whatnot, and just you see these shootouts and so to see some old school defensive play, it's fun to watch. From Okay, so you're speaking of SGA. He did speak afterwards. He talked about the difference in how things feel in the NBA Finals as opposed to other games.

They just they suffocate you because no matter where you are, they got somebody on the wing, they can get you. They got some download they can get you. There's no weakness defensively for them. And that's why they've been such a pain in the ass for everybody all year. It's why they won, you know, sixty eight games during the course of the season. Was Yeah, SGA has been great, and he's the MVP, and they've got talent offensively that can score. But defensively they're fantastic. I mean, somebody have called it one of the best defensive teams we've seen in a long time in years in the NBA, which is kind of a kind of a breath of fresh air on that front, because so many teams are, you know, giving up one hundred twenty one hundred and twenty five points a game or whatnot, and just you see these shootouts and so to see some old school defensive play, it's fun to watch. From Okay, so you're speaking of SGA. He did speak afterwards. He talked about the difference in how things feel in the NBA Finals as opposed to other games.

The loss has hurt a little bit more, for sure, And I've tried to just tell myself, like, like, as much as you can, just enjoy the process and enjoy the moment, are you, Absolutely, It's been amazing. It's been everything I dreamed it to be. It's been like it's hard to even putting to words and wrap my head around.

The loss has hurt a little bit more, for sure, And I've tried to just tell myself, like, like, as much as you can, just enjoy the process and enjoy the moment, are you, Absolutely, It's been amazing. It's been everything I dreamed it to be. It's been like it's hard to even putting to words and wrap my head around.

It's been so fun.

It's been so fun.

And it's the best stage of basketball ever of all time, and we get the opportunity to play in that.

And it's the best stage of basketball ever of all time, and we get the opportunity to play in that.

And that's how I try to like view it. I try to view it.

And that's how I try to like view it. I try to view it.

As so many people die for this opportunity and I have my whole entire life and now I'm finally here. So just as much as I can enjoy it. But keep that.

As so many people die for this opportunity and I have my whole entire life and now I'm finally here. So just as much as I can enjoy it. But keep that.

Competitor far just a chill dude, just matter of fact, business as usual.

Competitor far just a chill dude, just matter of fact, business as usual.

Huh hyah.

Huh hyah.

You know you can tell he's in the moment and this is one of those those stages where you get the opportunity. We hear his name, he's finally got the MVP Award coming his way.

You know you can tell he's in the moment and this is one of those those stages where you get the opportunity. We hear his name, he's finally got the MVP Award coming his way.

Now, first one down. Now you're on the.

Now, first one down. Now you're on the.

Largest stage, You're in the finals. You know a lot of the conversation last year, even though they didn't make it to the finals surrounded you know, Anthony Edwards and what he is and what he can be. A lot of conversations started circulating with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. You know, there are a lot of different players that were being brought up. You know, the Jokige's, you know, the the Greek Freak. You know, you have all of these guys that are being discussed in such flattering manners and being the best. And SGA's name popped up. It was popping up, but it wasn't a main name being said. It wasn't you weren't saying you weren't leading off with SGA. And and I feel like where he's at right now, the platform that he's on, the magnitude of being in the NBA Finals and just showing total like his control, his ball control is amazing, his decision making is amazing. Uh, his shot shot selections are are solid.

Largest stage, You're in the finals. You know a lot of the conversation last year, even though they didn't make it to the finals surrounded you know, Anthony Edwards and what he is and what he can be. A lot of conversations started circulating with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. You know, there are a lot of different players that were being brought up. You know, the Jokige's, you know, the the Greek Freak. You know, you have all of these guys that are being discussed in such flattering manners and being the best. And SGA's name popped up. It was popping up, but it wasn't a main name being said. It wasn't you weren't saying you weren't leading off with SGA. And and I feel like where he's at right now, the platform that he's on, the magnitude of being in the NBA Finals and just showing total like his control, his ball control is amazing, his decision making is amazing. Uh, his shot shot selections are are solid.

He's like all systems go right now.

He's like all systems go right now.

As as a leader of a team, and what you would consider to be a superstar because there are some other guys on the team, I mean maybe not of the caliber that that SGA is, but nonetheless, I mean, like chet Chet had a really good game, good showing and win puppet. I mean he he shows up, he shows up. They they played Who's the other big coop?

As as a leader of a team, and what you would consider to be a superstar because there are some other guys on the team, I mean maybe not of the caliber that that SGA is, but nonetheless, I mean, like chet Chet had a really good game, good showing and win puppet. I mean he he shows up, he shows up. They they played Who's the other big coop?

Teach me to tell me chet Holmgren doesn't look like some guys out outside of car dealership, but they got deals on fourth of July weekend.

Teach me to tell me chet Holmgren doesn't look like some guys out outside of car dealership, but they got deals on fourth of July weekend.

Super strong for certain, he ain't he ain't built the strongest could game though. They kept parking Styn in more of this game, which I thought was maybe the mistake they had maybe made in the first one. Uh, they were getting second and third and sometimes even fourth opportunities when they missshots. I thought that played a major part and the success that they were able to have. So I mean, give Okay see a lot of credit. I'm curious to see what Indiana plans on doing. How do they try to counteract what took place yesterday, because that's not an easy fix.

Super strong for certain, he ain't he ain't built the strongest could game though. They kept parking Styn in more of this game, which I thought was maybe the mistake they had maybe made in the first one. Uh, they were getting second and third and sometimes even fourth opportunities when they missshots. I thought that played a major part and the success that they were able to have. So I mean, give Okay see a lot of credit. I'm curious to see what Indiana plans on doing. How do they try to counteract what took place yesterday, because that's not an easy fix.

Would you would you.

Would you would you.

Go as far to say, in discussing SGA that he is the the face of the NBA. Would you go as far as to say that, and that tired, tired discussion which really really irritates me, that whole face of the NBA conversation. And you know why, because the face of the NBA is Michael Jordan. Like it just that's what it is, and it's that way because nobody will let that go.

Go as far to say, in discussing SGA that he is the the face of the NBA. Would you go as far as to say that, and that tired, tired discussion which really really irritates me, that whole face of the NBA conversation. And you know why, because the face of the NBA is Michael Jordan. Like it just that's what it is, and it's that way because nobody will let that go.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

But stop trying to manufacture, well, who's the who's the face of the It's Jordan?

But stop trying to manufacture, well, who's the who's the face of the It's Jordan?

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

Like that's who.

Like that's who.

Who's everybody is compared to any time of conversation comes.

Who's everybody is compared to any time of conversation comes.

I disagree a little bit on that. Like, while I will.

I disagree a little bit on that. Like, while I will.

Agree with the idea of yes, it's whenever you're talking greatness, Jordan's name is generally the first one that comes up. It's it's generally the same five or six names that always come up. You know, it's it's Cobe, it's mj it's Will Chamberlain, it's Magic Johnson, it's Bill Russell. I mean, it's generally Lebron, it's generally the same names that come up. What I will say is right now, by default, I would just say, by default it's Lebron James, and it's Lebron James because a his body of work is strong enough to be in the conversation of greatest ever and and be compared to what the face of the league has been historically, you know, at least in his era. Of time, which is MJ. But I think it's really because he wants to be the face of the league, which I think is very different than airas Pass. I think airs Pass guys wanted to be the guy. I think Kobe wanted to be the guys. Shaq wanted to be the guy. You know, you look at these other guys, a Keem, Elijah One, you know, David Robinson, you know, you keep going back, you know, Pat Ewing and all those they wanted to be the guys. They wanted to be the faces of the league. They wanted to be what they were.

Agree with the idea of yes, it's whenever you're talking greatness, Jordan's name is generally the first one that comes up. It's it's generally the same five or six names that always come up. You know, it's it's Cobe, it's mj it's Will Chamberlain, it's Magic Johnson, it's Bill Russell. I mean, it's generally Lebron, it's generally the same names that come up. What I will say is right now, by default, I would just say, by default it's Lebron James, and it's Lebron James because a his body of work is strong enough to be in the conversation of greatest ever and and be compared to what the face of the league has been historically, you know, at least in his era. Of time, which is MJ. But I think it's really because he wants to be the face of the league, which I think is very different than airas Pass. I think airs Pass guys wanted to be the guy. I think Kobe wanted to be the guys. Shaq wanted to be the guy. You know, you look at these other guys, a Keem, Elijah One, you know, David Robinson, you know, you keep going back, you know, Pat Ewing and all those they wanted to be the guys. They wanted to be the faces of the league. They wanted to be what they were.

Going to be.

Going to be.

Charles Barkley and all those guys. Penny Hardaway, well, Penny Hardaway not so much like he was more kind of like he kind of has a personality more like some of these newer guys. The newer guys, it doesn't seem like that's important to them. It seems like it's just more about just playing and whatever it is that they're interested in, whether it's music, whether it's fashion. You know, they're they're into being strip clubs, you know, behind this and you know, whatever it is.

Charles Barkley and all those guys. Penny Hardaway, well, Penny Hardaway not so much like he was more kind of like he kind of has a personality more like some of these newer guys. The newer guys, it doesn't seem like that's important to them. It seems like it's just more about just playing and whatever it is that they're interested in, whether it's music, whether it's fashion. You know, they're they're into being strip clubs, you know, behind this and you know, whatever it is.

They seem to be okay with being really really good basketball players. I'd say, Anthony Atwards wants to be the face of the elite. There's a few guys that you'll see they give you I want to be face of elite. I don't get that from SGA. I don't get that from yokiics. But we don't.

They seem to be okay with being really really good basketball players. I'd say, Anthony Atwards wants to be the face of the elite. There's a few guys that you'll see they give you I want to be face of elite. I don't get that from SGA. I don't get that from yokiics. But we don't.

It's it's just don't get it from Luca. It just feels manufactured in the NFL. Like Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback of all time, you know, like you know, like if we're talking about somebody on par with Jordan or whatnot as far as the titles and all that, tom Brady's But.

It's it's just don't get it from Luca. It just feels manufactured in the NFL. Like Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback of all time, you know, like you know, like if we're talking about somebody on par with Jordan or whatnot as far as the titles and all that, tom Brady's But.

If their accomplishments, it's his accomplishments that place from there, of course, but we.

If their accomplishments, it's his accomplishments that place from there, of course, but we.

Don't have the Hey, who's the face of the NFL? Now, none of those conversations happened because.

Don't have the Hey, who's the face of the NFL? Now, none of those conversations happened because.

It's the it's the accomplishments.

It's the it's the accomplishments.

Though, if we didn't have Patrick Mahomes accomplishing at the level he's accomplishing at and achieving, we would have conversation. I don't think if it's not Patrick Mahomes, who's the face of the league.

Though, if we didn't have Patrick Mahomes accomplishing at the level he's accomplishing at and achieving, we would have conversation. I don't think if it's not Patrick Mahomes, who's the face of the league.

I don't care.

I don't care.

I don't think because I think I don't think the NFL needs a face of the league because they the star is the league. Like we always worried about what was gonna happen if Brady retired or Peyton Manning retired.

I don't think because I think I don't think the NFL needs a face of the league because they the star is the league. Like we always worried about what was gonna happen if Brady retired or Peyton Manning retired.

Are they gonna find the next guy?

Are they gonna find the next guy?

I remember this being a conversation where man, you know, Roethlisberger and Manning and Braydon, these guys are gonna retire. What's gonna happen next? Oh, I don't know. Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. The NFL does such a better job just rolling out star after star, and it's not about face of the league. The league is the star. And with the NBA, all you hear about is Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. And that's fine, but let's stop trying to Hey, is SGA going to be the face of the NBA?

I remember this being a conversation where man, you know, Roethlisberger and Manning and Braydon, these guys are gonna retire. What's gonna happen next? Oh, I don't know. Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. The NFL does such a better job just rolling out star after star, and it's not about face of the league. The league is the star. And with the NBA, all you hear about is Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. And that's fine, but let's stop trying to Hey, is SGA going to be the face of the NBA?

Now?

Now?

Is who's the face of the league?

Is who's the face of the league?

No, the face of the league is Michael Jordan, because that's all you keep hearing about when people discuss greatness in that league.

No, the face of the league is Michael Jordan, because that's all you keep hearing about when people discuss greatness in that league.

I feel like you gotta have your main character, your face, and that's Patrick Mahomes. They can lean on Patrick Mahomes. The NFL can lean into Patrick Mahomes, just like they were able to lean into Tom Brady and at times Peyton Manning. I really do. And again, like you say face of the league, I mean there are faces in the NFL. There have been faces plural of the league. And just mentioning those two names I just mentioned, I mean there was a point in time where Joe Montana was the face of the league, but you didn't have to look any further than the guy he was throwing the ball to to say he's the face of the league as well, and Jerry Rice. You had other quarterbacks around the league that you could say fall into the conversation of face of the league, just like you do now. I mean when you had Montana, you had Kelly, you had Marino, you had Dallas Dallas quarterback Troy a.

I feel like you gotta have your main character, your face, and that's Patrick Mahomes. They can lean on Patrick Mahomes. The NFL can lean into Patrick Mahomes, just like they were able to lean into Tom Brady and at times Peyton Manning. I really do. And again, like you say face of the league, I mean there are faces in the NFL. There have been faces plural of the league. And just mentioning those two names I just mentioned, I mean there was a point in time where Joe Montana was the face of the league, but you didn't have to look any further than the guy he was throwing the ball to to say he's the face of the league as well, and Jerry Rice. You had other quarterbacks around the league that you could say fall into the conversation of face of the league, just like you do now. I mean when you had Montana, you had Kelly, you had Marino, you had Dallas Dallas quarterback Troy a.

Men.

Men.

I mean, you had some really really fine quarterbacks during Joe Montana's run. But he was he was goated because he kept winning. And I think that that's what you're dealing with right now. Tom Brady in his era, he was goaded because he kept winning, even more so than Peyton Manning. And then now you look at Patrick Mahomes, he's goated because he's winning. Even when he's not winning, he's still winning because they're making it to the Super Bowl. They're the best representation of the teams, you know, in the league, one of the two. So when I look at the NBA, who has established what team has been able to establish that this is what they are and this is the player that's going to do it, there hasn't been one. There hasn't been one. And that's why Lebron James in a way by default going to the super team that he was going to, you know, getting started in Miami with with uh with Who's Tall Buddy? Dwayne Wade as Bosh, Chris Bosh. I mean, then you go back, you got you got love and you got Kyrie irving in Cleveland, like who's tall buddy?

I mean, you had some really really fine quarterbacks during Joe Montana's run. But he was he was goated because he kept winning. And I think that that's what you're dealing with right now. Tom Brady in his era, he was goaded because he kept winning, even more so than Peyton Manning. And then now you look at Patrick Mahomes, he's goated because he's winning. Even when he's not winning, he's still winning because they're making it to the Super Bowl. They're the best representation of the teams, you know, in the league, one of the two. So when I look at the NBA, who has established what team has been able to establish that this is what they are and this is the player that's going to do it, there hasn't been one. There hasn't been one. And that's why Lebron James in a way by default going to the super team that he was going to, you know, getting started in Miami with with uh with Who's Tall Buddy? Dwayne Wade as Bosh, Chris Bosh. I mean, then you go back, you got you got love and you got Kyrie irving in Cleveland, like who's tall buddy?

Who's tall buddy? Thank you.

Who's tall buddy? Thank you.

I appreciate the pool too. I just I just feel like where we're at right now. By the way, Bosch does kind of get lost in that hole. He does next and he was like he was like the main catalysts for the one year that they want it. I mean, if there's no Chris Bosh, they don't win it. They don't win it. But my point is is that what team had, what franchise and player connected to that franchise has established that type of dominance in the NBA.

I appreciate the pool too. I just I just feel like where we're at right now. By the way, Bosch does kind of get lost in that hole. He does next and he was like he was like the main catalysts for the one year that they want it. I mean, if there's no Chris Bosh, they don't win it. They don't win it. But my point is is that what team had, what franchise and player connected to that franchise has established that type of dominance in the NBA.

So in a way, you can't go to guy.

So in a way, you can't go to guy.

If their team isn't put Like, okay, we talk about the Joker like he does this, he does he's the best that I die.

If their team isn't put Like, okay, we talk about the Joker like he does this, he does he's the best that I die.

He should have been MVP again he gets MVP, but he's got one championship. Who is dominating when? Like, if you ass Michael Jeffrey Jordan, what mattered most to him, He'll tell you winning championships mattered the most of him. You can you can look at stats and all these other things.

He should have been MVP again he gets MVP, but he's got one championship. Who is dominating when? Like, if you ass Michael Jeffrey Jordan, what mattered most to him, He'll tell you winning championships mattered the most of him. You can you can look at stats and all these other things.

What what a decent golf course and a casino and uh.

What what a decent golf course and a casino and uh.

You know, a couple of rocket ships walking around? I mean it could be where are you going with it? I'm just saying.

You know, a couple of rocket ships walking around? I mean it could be where are you going with it? I'm just saying.

I'm just saying winning, winning was most important to him, not MVPs, not not any of these other you know, distinguished because those things.

I'm just saying winning, winning was most important to him, not MVPs, not not any of these other you know, distinguished because those things.

Come when you win. When you win at all, those those achievements and those accomplishments automatically follow. So to me, I feel like where we're at right now, no one has really grab the bulls by the horns in the NBA. Not a team, not a player, not a duo of players.

Come when you win. When you win at all, those those achievements and those accomplishments automatically follow. So to me, I feel like where we're at right now, no one has really grab the bulls by the horns in the NBA. Not a team, not a player, not a duo of players.

I mean, there are some pretty nice duos out there, but none have proven to be a dominant like you had the opportunity with Jalen and Tatum and this year being able to maybe come back repeat. Now the conversation continues on that fell apart, fell off of the rails. There's not a team or a player or a set of players that has been dominant enough to be goaded and put in the conversation. And the crazy thing is that's why you continue to hear the conversations about Lebron James because no one has been able to really offset what Lebron James represents to the NBA just yet. Great Stars, Young Stars, SGA now has the opportunity to make it more of a conversation as it applies to him. But it's not an everyday thing where that's how it takes place. You got to do this for more than one season, so you could set the stage by doing what you do this season. But then now, what are you going to do next year? What are you going to do the year after that? What are you going to do year after that? Because in order to get goaded, you gotta win, and you gotta win more than one time.

I mean, there are some pretty nice duos out there, but none have proven to be a dominant like you had the opportunity with Jalen and Tatum and this year being able to maybe come back repeat. Now the conversation continues on that fell apart, fell off of the rails. There's not a team or a player or a set of players that has been dominant enough to be goaded and put in the conversation. And the crazy thing is that's why you continue to hear the conversations about Lebron James because no one has been able to really offset what Lebron James represents to the NBA just yet. Great Stars, Young Stars, SGA now has the opportunity to make it more of a conversation as it applies to him. But it's not an everyday thing where that's how it takes place. You got to do this for more than one season, so you could set the stage by doing what you do this season. But then now, what are you going to do next year? What are you going to do the year after that? What are you going to do year after that? Because in order to get goaded, you gotta win, and you gotta win more than one time.

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Give you a general overview.

Give you a general overview.

He studied us, you know, and basically the message was, you know, if I was game planning against you your defense, what would I do and how would I attack you guys? And he didn't just stop there. He watched our offensive guys. He talked to our offensive guys, looked at all the players, had something for each player just you know, phenomenal and very very detailed, great teacher too.

He studied us, you know, and basically the message was, you know, if I was game planning against you your defense, what would I do and how would I attack you guys? And he didn't just stop there. He watched our offensive guys. He talked to our offensive guys, looked at all the players, had something for each player just you know, phenomenal and very very detailed, great teacher too.

At what point does John Gruden get another shot? Because I feel like we're inching closer towards him getting another opportunity, Like he's.

At what point does John Gruden get another shot? Because I feel like we're inching closer towards him getting another opportunity, Like he's.

Out in the public more he does like as a head coach.

Out in the public more he does like as a head coach.

I why not go get a college team and build a college program.

I why not go get a college team and build a college program.

I mean, what's he waiting for? Is he still getting paid by the Raiders? Is? I doubt? I'm sure that's probably run out by now.

I mean, what's he waiting for? Is he still getting paid by the Raiders? Is? I doubt? I'm sure that's probably run out by now.

It's twenty twenty one when it took place, probably ran out by now.

It's twenty twenty one when it took place, probably ran out by now.

You know.

You know.

That's a hard one to answer, I believe, because you got to take into consideration the amount of opportunities he's already received to be a head coach for one, then for two, what does that look like after everything that took place? Depending on what side you fall on in terms of the politics of it all, is that going to be acceptable? It seems as though the climate of society and culture isn't necessarily slowing down in the racial category, but it certainly is taking shifts away from different racial groups, and it's settling in on different ones is at different.

That's a hard one to answer, I believe, because you got to take into consideration the amount of opportunities he's already received to be a head coach for one, then for two, what does that look like after everything that took place? Depending on what side you fall on in terms of the politics of it all, is that going to be acceptable? It seems as though the climate of society and culture isn't necessarily slowing down in the racial category, but it certainly is taking shifts away from different racial groups, and it's settling in on different ones is at different.

Times, right, All right, So now you guys can be offended.

Times, right, All right, So now you guys can be offended.

Right, And this month in particular isn't even connected to a racial group. It's just connected to a certain group, you know, I don't know what, yes, you do?

Right, And this month in particular isn't even connected to a racial group. It's just connected to a certain group, you know, I don't know what, yes, you do?

What do you know?

What do you know?

What you mean?

What you mean?

It's it's I happen to have a birthday in this month too.

It's it's I happen to have a birthday in this month too.

By the way, it's not my community.

By the way, it's not my community.

But anyway, I think the point a lot of you have a lot of pride in your birthday. Isn't wrong with that? I do too, everybody should.

But anyway, I think the point a lot of you have a lot of pride in your birthday. Isn't wrong with that? I do too, everybody should.

My favorite color is blue, I don't.

My favorite color is blue, I don't.

I mean, I just second favorite is black. Damn. I'm just being honest. He's going to get an opportunity at some point. I don't, do you think. I just feel like.

I mean, I just second favorite is black. Damn. I'm just being honest. He's going to get an opportunity at some point. I don't, do you think. I just feel like.

As a head coach, well, all we've heard is glowing reviews from players who were there in Vegas, whether it was Max Crosby or spoke about him, like other players have talked about Gruden's presence there and how disappointed they were in him getting let go.

As a head coach, well, all we've heard is glowing reviews from players who were there in Vegas, whether it was Max Crosby or spoke about him, like other players have talked about Gruden's presence there and how disappointed they were in him getting let go.

And there's people that feel like he kind of got screwed. What he did was dumb. He shouldn't have done it, he shouldn't have said it, he shouldn't have written it. But I think there were people that feel he got kind of screwed over well, he wasn't an innocent bystand by any stretch of the imagination. I mean, his actions were his actions, and it came to like based on he was a bystander that was impacted by someone else's actions and them being impacted. And that's where it gets a little like kind of sketchy. How do you make sense of it?

And there's people that feel like he kind of got screwed. What he did was dumb. He shouldn't have done it, he shouldn't have said it, he shouldn't have written it. But I think there were people that feel he got kind of screwed over well, he wasn't an innocent bystand by any stretch of the imagination. I mean, his actions were his actions, and it came to like based on he was a bystander that was impacted by someone else's actions and them being impacted. And that's where it gets a little like kind of sketchy. How do you make sense of it?

Because this dude not been that type of dude, then this information doesn't come out. And then with this information coming out, then it exposes this dude over here. And you want to say he was an innocent bystander that got clipped, but he wasn't innocent and the.

Because this dude not been that type of dude, then this information doesn't come out. And then with this information coming out, then it exposes this dude over here. And you want to say he was an innocent bystander that got clipped, but he wasn't innocent and the.

Way he did because he did it.

Way he did because he did it.

So it's kind of like he didn't get screwed, but he did get screwed. It's like a contradiction. It's a conundrum the web.

So it's kind of like he didn't get screwed, but he did get screwed. It's like a contradiction. It's a conundrum the web.

Of Dan Snyder and the people that have been caught up in the web and this being one of them, because that's why this happened, because they went through the emails they found that. I mean, it still is wild to me to think that in all of those forty thousand emails or whatever the number was, that this is what they pulled from.

Of Dan Snyder and the people that have been caught up in the web and this being one of them, because that's why this happened, because they went through the emails they found that. I mean, it still is wild to me to think that in all of those forty thousand emails or whatever the number was, that this is what they pulled from.

It, because I'm certain there's way way, way more egregious things than a coach planned a Dozens on a union leader and he exchanges like because that's what that's all it is, is playing. That's that's the Dozens, that's what he was doing. And and and people get sensitive when it's a different racial group that joins into But there's some coaches that are really good trash talkers. Man, the Dozens like you talk, that's on people like you talk. Ass if a black dude said what what John Grutin said, it wouldn't have been no, Like, it's it's normal, it's normal. But there's certain rules and parameters I guess that that play a part in. And how like, if you're in the locker room, you can have those types of conversations and cats will laugh at it, like you'll laugh that people will join in. And that's why I think, you know, the people that were sitting there trying to say, guys were Uncle Tom's that were were sticking up for Grooton when it had first initially happened, Like you saw Warren sapping, different guys coming out to to be you know, support John Grutin it's like if you know him, you know he's not you know, he's not a racist.

It, because I'm certain there's way way, way more egregious things than a coach planned a Dozens on a union leader and he exchanges like because that's what that's all it is, is playing. That's that's the Dozens, that's what he was doing. And and and people get sensitive when it's a different racial group that joins into But there's some coaches that are really good trash talkers. Man, the Dozens like you talk, that's on people like you talk. Ass if a black dude said what what John Grutin said, it wouldn't have been no, Like, it's it's normal, it's normal. But there's certain rules and parameters I guess that that play a part in. And how like, if you're in the locker room, you can have those types of conversations and cats will laugh at it, like you'll laugh that people will join in. And that's why I think, you know, the people that were sitting there trying to say, guys were Uncle Tom's that were were sticking up for Grooton when it had first initially happened, Like you saw Warren sapping, different guys coming out to to be you know, support John Grutin it's like if you know him, you know he's not you know, he's not a racist.

You know.

You know.

I don't know John Gruton that well. I've met him a few times. I don't know him that well. But the guys that have played for him had very strong opinions that were, you know, in favor of just John Gruten being John Gruton in those moments.

I don't know John Gruton that well. I've met him a few times. I don't know him that well. But the guys that have played for him had very strong opinions that were, you know, in favor of just John Gruten being John Gruton in those moments.

And again like sometimes you.

And again like sometimes you.

Know, things can be let you know, let off into the main stratosphere because the information has been released, and people it's like like even you know, again, I'll post stuff on social and I'll tell people and that or die this, that and the other, and they get like all sensitive, like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Know, things can be let you know, let off into the main stratosphere because the information has been released, and people it's like like even you know, again, I'll post stuff on social and I'll tell people and that or die this, that and the other, and they get like all sensitive, like I don't know what I'm talking about.

It's like.

It's like.

Locker room culture, like football facility culture. It's its own culture. And if you haven't lived in it and you haven't been a part of it, then you can speak to it as a fan if you want to, But in reality, it's like, what are you really doing it for it because you don't You'll never understand it unless you lived in it.

Locker room culture, like football facility culture. It's its own culture. And if you haven't lived in it and you haven't been a part of it, then you can speak to it as a fan if you want to, But in reality, it's like, what are you really doing it for it because you don't You'll never understand it unless you lived in it.

It's I think people also get a little insecure about that because that is one of the things I've talked to Brady about.

It's I think people also get a little insecure about that because that is one of the things I've talked to Brady about.

This before to where.

This before to where.

Like there there should be a respect level to yeah, you don't get it, you've never been there. Like I played high school, for I know what a high school football locker room's like.

Like there there should be a respect level to yeah, you don't get it, you've never been there. Like I played high school, for I know what a high school football locker room's like.

But do you know how like when people do that, you know, do you know how Like it's pretty funny when you hear somebody say, well, I played football, I was in high school, I played youth league. Like it's not even any reason to say it that because it's it's so it's so insignificant from even college. It's like, it doesn't make any sense to even say, well, I was in the locker room in high school. It's not it's not the same. It's like and I just so when I hear you guys talk about the law, I don't. I look at it and I go, yeah, you're right, that is.

But do you know how like when people do that, you know, do you know how Like it's pretty funny when you hear somebody say, well, I played football, I was in high school, I played youth league. Like it's not even any reason to say it that because it's it's so it's so insignificant from even college. It's like, it doesn't make any sense to even say, well, I was in the locker room in high school. It's not it's not the same. It's like and I just so when I hear you guys talk about the law, I don't. I look at it and I go, yeah, you're right, that is.

Your That is an experience that only a few a fraction of society can speak to. And I've heard stories from other people have told me stories about a weird stuff that's happened in a locker room.

Your That is an experience that only a few a fraction of society can speak to. And I've heard stories from other people have told me stories about a weird stuff that's happened in a locker room.

I mean some of the most outlendo things, some of the most outlets things you'll ever hear.

I mean some of the most outlendo things, some of the most outlets things you'll ever hear.

I remember, David, some of if some of the stuff came out that was being done in locker rooms. John Grutin's emails would see like romper room compared to some of the stuff that people do in the locker room. I remember my buddy David Anderson, who played in the NFL for a while. He told me a story about there was alignment he played with on the Texans who used to eat his food in the stall while he was on the toilet. He would eat like McDonald's or whatever he was eating that day while he was on the toilet. He just thought that that was the more efficient way to eat his lunch. And then also, you know, drop the kids off at the same time.

I remember, David, some of if some of the stuff came out that was being done in locker rooms. John Grutin's emails would see like romper room compared to some of the stuff that people do in the locker room. I remember my buddy David Anderson, who played in the NFL for a while. He told me a story about there was alignment he played with on the Texans who used to eat his food in the stall while he was on the toilet. He would eat like McDonald's or whatever he was eating that day while he was on the toilet. He just thought that that was the more efficient way to eat his lunch. And then also, you know, drop the kids off at the same time.

I mean, there's way worse than that. There's way worse than that. It's just like super repulsive things that take place in the locker room, man, and for better or for worse. Like, the only time it becomes an issue is when somebody you know, feels like they need to tell all about it or whatever it may be. You know, it becomes an issue when it's an issue. But for the most part, there are always a handful of dudes that are going to do some wild s in the locker room.

I mean, there's way worse than that. There's way worse than that. It's just like super repulsive things that take place in the locker room, man, and for better or for worse. Like, the only time it becomes an issue is when somebody you know, feels like they need to tell all about it or whatever it may be. You know, it becomes an issue when it's an issue. But for the most part, there are always a handful of dudes that are going to do some wild s in the locker room.

Yeah, and that's why I think there should be a little more leeway given to that.

Yeah, and that's why I think there should be a little more leeway given to that.

If that's where but that's where the line gets blurred really badly. It gets blurred really badly, because what you do know is if it does become public knowledge, it's almost like secret like secret service, right like you get sent on a mission.

If that's where but that's where the line gets blurred really badly. It gets blurred really badly, because what you do know is if it does become public knowledge, it's almost like secret like secret service, right like you get sent on a mission.

We sent you, we paid you your commission to do it. But if you get caught, we don't know you. That's that's how it is.

We sent you, we paid you your commission to do it. But if you get caught, we don't know you. That's that's how it is.

If you are if you are going to do something that's going to possibly come up and bring reproach on you, this team, this league, we don't know you. We don't know you, and we don't owe you. So in these moments, it doesn't matter what your reputation was. It doesn't matter, you know, how good of a person you are, doesn't matter how many Super Bowls you got, doesn't none of those things matter.

If you are if you are going to do something that's going to possibly come up and bring reproach on you, this team, this league, we don't know you. We don't know you, and we don't owe you. So in these moments, it doesn't matter what your reputation was. It doesn't matter, you know, how good of a person you are, doesn't matter how many Super Bowls you got, doesn't none of those things matter.

All that matters is the.

All that matters is the.

Damning information that made it to the public to be consumed. And now you've been judged by the public. That's all that matters. And once that happens, you have to disassociate yourself with those types of people. And that's what happened with John Gruden and Will that happen Like I felt like that could have possibly happened to the coach buddy from from Miami when he started suing and he's like, all right, I'm going to sue, and I thought he might be done, Brian Flores, Brian Flores, but he ends up getting onto a team. So obviously what he said and what he went through and what he was putting out there wasn't egregious enough for the ownership pool the ring to say that he's out. I don't know for certain what John Gruden's status is and that you know, in that circle, but you would think after all this time, you said, what year, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, that's a long time, bro, that's a long time to circle back and be like, you know what, let's give him another go, because what does that say about your coaching pool and development to begin with?

Damning information that made it to the public to be consumed. And now you've been judged by the public. That's all that matters. And once that happens, you have to disassociate yourself with those types of people. And that's what happened with John Gruden and Will that happen Like I felt like that could have possibly happened to the coach buddy from from Miami when he started suing and he's like, all right, I'm going to sue, and I thought he might be done, Brian Flores, Brian Flores, but he ends up getting onto a team. So obviously what he said and what he went through and what he was putting out there wasn't egregious enough for the ownership pool the ring to say that he's out. I don't know for certain what John Gruden's status is and that you know, in that circle, but you would think after all this time, you said, what year, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, that's a long time, bro, that's a long time to circle back and be like, you know what, let's give him another go, because what does that say about your coaching pool and development to begin with?

Yeah, I mean I've thought, you know, maybe as an OC, maybe in some capacity like that, Just the fact that.

Yeah, I mean I've thought, you know, maybe as an OC, maybe in some capacity like that, Just the fact that.

He's getting as many.

He's getting as many.

That teams are consulting with him, like you know, it was New Orleans last year, it was you know, Baltimore this year. It just feels like we're inching closer towards it being more of a possibility of him getting a chance at some level in the NFL. So you know, we'll keep you posted if we have any more developments on John Gruden potentially back in the NFL.

That teams are consulting with him, like you know, it was New Orleans last year, it was you know, Baltimore this year. It just feels like we're inching closer towards it being more of a possibility of him getting a chance at some level in the NFL. So you know, we'll keep you posted if we have any more developments on John Gruden potentially back in the NFL.

With his I get I'll get kicked off the air.

With his I get I'll get kicked off the air.

I was about to use what he said, Oh, I him, and then it would have been funny and then but then I might have lost my job. But it's so funny because if he was joking, like if we was joking about that in the locker room, everybody would have been left and they would have turned that on him. They would have said something about him, They would have they would have played the dozens on him. In fact, I mean there were a lot of people that didn't even like to do that. He was he was speaking on to begin with. Yeah, so there's that.

I was about to use what he said, Oh, I him, and then it would have been funny and then but then I might have lost my job. But it's so funny because if he was joking, like if we was joking about that in the locker room, everybody would have been left and they would have turned that on him. They would have said something about him, They would have they would have played the dozens on him. In fact, I mean there were a lot of people that didn't even like to do that. He was he was speaking on to begin with. Yeah, so there's that.

There's that.

There's that.

But you know, when color gets involved and race gets involved and it becomes a thing, you know, the league has to handle those things in a certain type of way, and it's always going to be handled the same way. Yeah, hidden women, racially driven, you know, racially insensitive deals, inequality type of dips, you're gonna be in trouble. Man, like you're gonna be in some serious trouble. They've taken teams away from owners off of being inappropriate, and they have taken jobs away from coaches for being inappropriate, and they have taken jobs away from players for being inappropriate.

But you know, when color gets involved and race gets involved and it becomes a thing, you know, the league has to handle those things in a certain type of way, and it's always going to be handled the same way. Yeah, hidden women, racially driven, you know, racially insensitive deals, inequality type of dips, you're gonna be in trouble. Man, like you're gonna be in some serious trouble. They've taken teams away from owners off of being inappropriate, and they have taken jobs away from coaches for being inappropriate, and they have taken jobs away from players for being inappropriate.

So you got to choose wisely.

So you got to choose wisely.

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Do you want to mention some news that just came out a short time ago. Uh, not the biggest surprise in the world. This was the expectation at some point if they couldn't get a deal done. But that's a wrap Jay r Alexander has been cut by the Green Bay Packers, so that is Uh, that'll wrap up his time with the Green Bay Packers. That according to Ian Rappaport, Hey, what's your.

Do you want to mention some news that just came out a short time ago. Uh, not the biggest surprise in the world. This was the expectation at some point if they couldn't get a deal done. But that's a wrap Jay r Alexander has been cut by the Green Bay Packers, so that is Uh, that'll wrap up his time with the Green Bay Packers. That according to Ian Rappaport, Hey, what's your.

Reaction to that, Lee? How you feel? How does that make you feel?

Reaction to that, Lee? How you feel? How does that make you feel?

Lee?

Lee?

Well, I'm bummed that he just never panned out as a great player for for the whole season. He was always injured. He never really lived up to the full potential. He was great, He's a great player still still great years old, but whatever.

Well, I'm bummed that he just never panned out as a great player for for the whole season. He was always injured. He never really lived up to the full potential. He was great, He's a great player still still great years old, but whatever.

Rub it in Sorry, please distraught. That was one of his Packers jerseys. Sorry, didn't you have a gy your Alexander Jersey. No, never to get I don't get players who get stay injured.

Rub it in Sorry, please distraught. That was one of his Packers jerseys. Sorry, didn't you have a gy your Alexander Jersey. No, never to get I don't get players who get stay injured.

Oh gosh, geez, oh they're there. I guess, uh, the organization don't keep players that stay injured. I think it was more he wanted out. Okay, yeah, they they offered him a restructured contract.

Oh gosh, geez, oh they're there. I guess, uh, the organization don't keep players that stay injured. I think it was more he wanted out. Okay, yeah, they they offered him a restructured contract.

He said he wanted to stay, but he was always I don't know, he was always saying something like he wanted out.

He said he wanted to stay, but he was always I don't know, he was always saying something like he wanted out.

By the way, did you see LEBARGI happened to see the latest on Jalen Ramsey. Speaking of defensive backs, tell everyone so the very latest on Jalen Ramsey. This also, according to NFL Network, Ramsey will stay away from the Dolphins off season program. They're still trying to trade him. God, I can't imagine why they haven't been able to execute a trade yet. It was almost like, you know, they let everybody know it advance. Yeah, we're trading this player. I still don't understand, and I know it's well, why beat around the you know, why not make it public that you know if you're going to move on from a guy, and move on from a guy, why let any of that information out? If you want to get a trade done, and you are actually motivated to get a trade done and you want to move a player, why would you give any tell at all that you're trying to trade the guy. If have conversations, you know, with teams, if teams ask, hey, anybody available, I don't know, what do you think about Jalen Ramsey? But instead you come out and you tell everybody you're trying to trade the guy. Why would teams around the league make a move when they can just sign him if he gets released? Like Jerry Alexander and the Packers probably had several conversations with teams, but they're like, dude, they're just gonna end up releasing them anyways, because it's been so public. I just I don't I don't understand the thought, and teams still do it, still talking, Oh well, listen, we're going to try to trade. Like Chris Greer, the GM for the Dolphins, say oh, we're going to try and trade Jalen Ramsey.

By the way, did you see LEBARGI happened to see the latest on Jalen Ramsey. Speaking of defensive backs, tell everyone so the very latest on Jalen Ramsey. This also, according to NFL Network, Ramsey will stay away from the Dolphins off season program. They're still trying to trade him. God, I can't imagine why they haven't been able to execute a trade yet. It was almost like, you know, they let everybody know it advance. Yeah, we're trading this player. I still don't understand, and I know it's well, why beat around the you know, why not make it public that you know if you're going to move on from a guy, and move on from a guy, why let any of that information out? If you want to get a trade done, and you are actually motivated to get a trade done and you want to move a player, why would you give any tell at all that you're trying to trade the guy. If have conversations, you know, with teams, if teams ask, hey, anybody available, I don't know, what do you think about Jalen Ramsey? But instead you come out and you tell everybody you're trying to trade the guy. Why would teams around the league make a move when they can just sign him if he gets released? Like Jerry Alexander and the Packers probably had several conversations with teams, but they're like, dude, they're just gonna end up releasing them anyways, because it's been so public. I just I don't I don't understand the thought, and teams still do it, still talking, Oh well, listen, we're going to try to trade. Like Chris Greer, the GM for the Dolphins, say oh, we're going to try and trade Jalen Ramsey.

Why go publicly that? Why not keep that behind close tours? I don't.

Why go publicly that? Why not keep that behind close tours? I don't.

I then didn Jalen Ramsey make it so that they had to go public though? Didn't he say, you know, bit farewell to everyone in Miami.

I then didn Jalen Ramsey make it so that they had to go public though? Didn't he say, you know, bit farewell to everyone in Miami.

I think it was after Chris Greer. Was it after Yeah, that's why I don't understand, Like, if you really we get it.

I think it was after Chris Greer. Was it after Yeah, that's why I don't understand, Like, if you really we get it.

It didn't work. It hasn't worked out there.

It didn't work. It hasn't worked out there.

But do you feel as though he may have leveraged them into having to say something, you know, I don't like if y'all don't release me or trade me or whatever, like I'm gonna let people know I'm not coming back.

But do you feel as though he may have leveraged them into having to say something, you know, I don't like if y'all don't release me or trade me or whatever, like I'm gonna let people know I'm not coming back.

Yeah, but they came first the market.

Yeah, but they came first the market.

Players do that all the time though, to where they'll do something passive aggressive on social media like that's that's you know, the new move in the NFL, like or the new move in sports where if somebody wants out, oh they they unfollowed the team and they.

Players do that all the time though, to where they'll do something passive aggressive on social media like that's that's you know, the new move in the NFL, like or the new move in sports where if somebody wants out, oh they they unfollowed the team and they.

Put not no longer a part of it, like it's not in their bio that they're on the team.

Put not no longer a part of it, like it's not in their bio that they're on the team.

It's like the new it's like the new Facebook relationship thing. It's complicated.

It's like the new it's like the new Facebook relationship thing. It's complicated.

It's a good thing.

It's a good thing.

Why don't you just say I'm looking for something strange? Okay, just say that. But these but like so players will post that all the time the organization. You don't hear gms come out even if he did post something like that and come out and say, oh, yeah, we are trying to trade him. Okay, So why would I do a deal with you if he's just gonna get cut. I'll just wait until he's available and I don't have to give anything up for him. Just doesn't make any sense to.

Why don't you just say I'm looking for something strange? Okay, just say that. But these but like so players will post that all the time the organization. You don't hear gms come out even if he did post something like that and come out and say, oh, yeah, we are trying to trade him. Okay, So why would I do a deal with you if he's just gonna get cut. I'll just wait until he's available and I don't have to give anything up for him. Just doesn't make any sense to.

Me unless you really need him. And if you have a real need for him and you believe that he's got enough gas in the tank, then you don't want somebody else to get a hold of him. So you try to figure out a deal. What does that look like? What would that type of deal look like? How much money is is? Is he you know, is his contract worth like? What does that look like? I think that that would play the biggest role in what takes place here. If that's a too that's a nut that's too big to crack, you're not going to go get them. And and Miami has to know that going into this. So what is the scenario Why why would you have not tried to salvage the situation with him? And if it were not a salvageable situation and you are indeed moving on from him. I would have been way more aggressive with trying to move him, you know, earlier on like pre draft, you know all that, like the start of the NFL season, the new NFL season. I would have been all over that to try to make that work. Why is this why is this drug out into June? Well, it's like the Kirk Cousins stuff. At this point, Kirk Cousins has two options because he you know, he wants to play, he wants an opportunity, and he wants to be elsewhere. And he talked to the Falcons. He went to Arthur Blank, he you know, gave him his case as to why he you know, can you trade me?

Me unless you really need him. And if you have a real need for him and you believe that he's got enough gas in the tank, then you don't want somebody else to get a hold of him. So you try to figure out a deal. What does that look like? What would that type of deal look like? How much money is is? Is he you know, is his contract worth like? What does that look like? I think that that would play the biggest role in what takes place here. If that's a too that's a nut that's too big to crack, you're not going to go get them. And and Miami has to know that going into this. So what is the scenario Why why would you have not tried to salvage the situation with him? And if it were not a salvageable situation and you are indeed moving on from him. I would have been way more aggressive with trying to move him, you know, earlier on like pre draft, you know all that, like the start of the NFL season, the new NFL season. I would have been all over that to try to make that work. Why is this why is this drug out into June? Well, it's like the Kirk Cousins stuff. At this point, Kirk Cousins has two options because he you know, he wants to play, he wants an opportunity, and he wants to be elsewhere. And he talked to the Falcons. He went to Arthur Blank, he you know, gave him his case as to why he you know, can you trade me?

Can you move on?

Can you move on?

And the Falcons are like, no, no, we want to keep around for a veteran insurance at the backup quarterback spot. We picked up his ten million dollar option. So if you're Kirk Cousins, and this is just the cruel reality of where he's at this offseason, if you're Kirk Cousins at this point in the offseason, you got two choices, right, you got two options. Either you're playing for the Falcons next year, or somebody gets hurt and if a team has a starting quarterback who gets hurt and they're desperate, that's when you would see them make a move. But at this point, to your point, it's a little late in the game to start. It's a little light like wheeling and dealing, and for whatever reason, you know, at least you know the Packers have moved on reportedly from JayR Alexander. That'll be done later on today, and then we still wait to see what happens with Jalen Ramsey. Now Aaron Rodgers is a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Speaking of former Packers, jay R Alexander is going to be one. Aaron Rodgers is one. He's now the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, as he signed his one year deal over the weekend, made it official one year, nineteen million dollars with incentives thirteen million dollars in change, but really the guarantee is ten million dollars, So basically it's a one year, ten million dollar deal and he can get to those other numbers if he hit certain incentives in certain benchmarks in the contract.

And the Falcons are like, no, no, we want to keep around for a veteran insurance at the backup quarterback spot. We picked up his ten million dollar option. So if you're Kirk Cousins, and this is just the cruel reality of where he's at this offseason, if you're Kirk Cousins at this point in the offseason, you got two choices, right, you got two options. Either you're playing for the Falcons next year, or somebody gets hurt and if a team has a starting quarterback who gets hurt and they're desperate, that's when you would see them make a move. But at this point, to your point, it's a little late in the game to start. It's a little light like wheeling and dealing, and for whatever reason, you know, at least you know the Packers have moved on reportedly from JayR Alexander. That'll be done later on today, and then we still wait to see what happens with Jalen Ramsey. Now Aaron Rodgers is a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Speaking of former Packers, jay R Alexander is going to be one. Aaron Rodgers is one. He's now the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, as he signed his one year deal over the weekend, made it official one year, nineteen million dollars with incentives thirteen million dollars in change, but really the guarantee is ten million dollars, So basically it's a one year, ten million dollar deal and he can get to those other numbers if he hit certain incentives in certain benchmarks in the contract.

All that.

All that.

Can we talk Can we talk about this whole Aaron Rodgers situation, him wearing number eight, who were number eight in Pittsburgh.

Can we talk Can we talk about this whole Aaron Rodgers situation, him wearing number eight, who were number eight in Pittsburgh.

I think they're a ponter did. But now he's going to wear a number three. Why is he wearing number eight? That's not what I want.

I think they're a ponter did. But now he's going to wear a number three. Why is he wearing number eight? That's not what I want.

I want to talk about Aaron Rodgers getting a one year deal and getting ten million guaranteed and having an upwards of nineteen million and escalators and incentives in his contract. Again, I will say this, and I said this when they got Russ and I said this when they got Buddy from Chicago, Josh Justin Fields, when they got filled. So you're saying Tramisky, No, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, with the quarterbacks they brought in last year, you got discounted rates for both of them, one still being on their their rookie contract, the other one just not having any value at this point in time when you brought them on. So you have two quarterbacks that are pretty comparable and what their contracts look like, and so there's no real you know, you have the feeling there's no real loss if neither one of them proves out. Now you do that one off season with two former starters of two different organizations last season, that's fine, is it, okay to do it two seasons in a row. It works so good last year, Well, it didn't work so good last year. Pushing through your sarcasm, it didn't work very well last year. In fact, it did not work to the degree of where you didn't want one of the quarterbacks. Speculation says that you possibly wanted one of the quarterbacks back, and both of them are gone and you go back to a quarterback that was a starter for you from before that. Really, which if you look this up, Lee or you Jonas is Mason Rudolph eight and four as the starting quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think he's a winning record quarterback during his tenure as a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Nonetheless, they did not prove out and show that they were a Super Bowl contending team with Mason Rudolph. And so now you bring him back. You got Will Howard the draft pick.

I want to talk about Aaron Rodgers getting a one year deal and getting ten million guaranteed and having an upwards of nineteen million and escalators and incentives in his contract. Again, I will say this, and I said this when they got Russ and I said this when they got Buddy from Chicago, Josh Justin Fields, when they got filled. So you're saying Tramisky, No, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, with the quarterbacks they brought in last year, you got discounted rates for both of them, one still being on their their rookie contract, the other one just not having any value at this point in time when you brought them on. So you have two quarterbacks that are pretty comparable and what their contracts look like, and so there's no real you know, you have the feeling there's no real loss if neither one of them proves out. Now you do that one off season with two former starters of two different organizations last season, that's fine, is it, okay to do it two seasons in a row. It works so good last year, Well, it didn't work so good last year. Pushing through your sarcasm, it didn't work very well last year. In fact, it did not work to the degree of where you didn't want one of the quarterbacks. Speculation says that you possibly wanted one of the quarterbacks back, and both of them are gone and you go back to a quarterback that was a starter for you from before that. Really, which if you look this up, Lee or you Jonas is Mason Rudolph eight and four as the starting quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think he's a winning record quarterback during his tenure as a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Nonetheless, they did not prove out and show that they were a Super Bowl contending team with Mason Rudolph. And so now you bring him back. You got Will Howard the draft pick.

Is he the guy?

Is he the guy?

So is the setup in the scenario of this to say, Aaron Rodgers gives us one year to give Will the opportunity to learn from Aaron Rodgers, watch his habits, watch how he studies, study him, and learn from him.

So is the setup in the scenario of this to say, Aaron Rodgers gives us one year to give Will the opportunity to learn from Aaron Rodgers, watch his habits, watch how he studies, study him, and learn from him.

If something were to happen.

If something were to happen.

Mason Rudolph is our safety net to put in so that we can still try to be competitive for the season, and then at some point we're going with will as our starting quarterback. If that's what it is, then I don't know at this point, is it? I feel like, is it? It's prudent to let the plan be made known. This is what we're planning on doing. This is why we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a long term contract. This is why we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a large contract because this is what we're planning on doing. But we do feel as though we can improve our team, impact our team right now with a motivated Aaron Rodgers. Which now the question becomes, with everything that he's gone through and all the speculation with good authority, what it is that he's experienced this offseason, with the personal things he's had to get through, does it translate into Aaron Rodgers coming in and having one amazing year And if so, then now doesn't that create another issue where now the conversation has to be we gave him a one year contract, he played his ass off, he played well. Are you rewarding him with a long term con Are you rewarding him with a different contract, I think, or are you moving on and sticking to the plan of what it may have been to move on to Will Howard, who you drafted in this year's draft class. I think he's hit a one year at a time basis at this point in his career. And I think he said as much in interviews as well too, is that you know, just gonna take it one year at a time.