2 Pros and a Cup of JoeTuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, physicality continues to shine in the NBA Playoffs. Why sports were better back in the day and much more! Bill Belichick and his girlfriend go viral for a dumb interview and NFL Insider, Pete Prisco breaks down The Draft.
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There's a roll of toilet paper sitting there for some reason. Yeah, just randomly, so there, Yeah, let's go far. Yeah, all right, okay, whatever, he's back roll with toilet paper.
Oh yeah, okay.
I don't know about that, but so I know anything about it. I'll just say this, what are you going to say? I could watch the Warriors and the Rockets play each other for the rest of the playoffs and be.
Content they turned up a little bit.
It's not even like that could have basketball, Like, neither one of those teams has got a shot in hell against OKAC.
But it is borderline violence.
I wouldn't say that.
The first half.
The Rockets are a really good team. It was great. Leet was freaking dealing. I'm saying you said they don't have a chance against Oka. See like they're playing really well. But if Jimmy Butler can get healthy, like he's still you can tell he's tender. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't look himself last night. So sore. Sore, Yeah, I mean he you know, he was in there. He powered through. But if he can get healthy and play at at his top level, they they can get through. Okay, see they can they.
I was actually shocked they were able to win last night. I mean just because we've talked about this before, right, Yeah, it's it's tough. It's tough for them to be able to win without Jimmy Butler. I mean, he didn't play, didn't play Game three. Houston's the better team. They have more, they have more pieces, they have more parts. But but they're not down. Yeah, they just don't know how to play against this. This the leadership and what what Steph Curry brings and what what Draymond brings to the table is. It's just it's different. You gotta be able to handle that. There there has to be a level of I don't know, I don't know what it is. I don't want to say level of maturity because I think that you know, Van Vliet and those guys.
I think there's enough. There's enough guys that are old enough to understand it. I just don't think that they're seasoned enough to be and and and the record proves that they're like four to oh against Houston and in playoff series. So it's it's it's kind of historic. And now, granted, these kids, these these guys are too young to have been a part of all of those you know, those those times they lost. But Houston has not had great success against the Warriors in the playoffs. So I don't know, I just think that these guys are out classing them, they're outwitting them because they're not they're not more athletic, and they're not better like on paper, they're not better than the Houston Rockets.
So you know, I mean, it's not the first time that we've broken this game down, or this series down.
Rather as far as how it was going to go.
Let's take a listen, and all of a sudden, we've got a series because Jimmy Butler's got to get an MRI because he's got a pelvit contusion.
They're calling it. That's a rap. They don't got a series. That's that that was a quick turn that that party. If you're a Golden State Warriors fan, that party died out quick. Geez. They can't do it with out without Jimmy Buckets man fandul. It was gonna be a good series in terms of it would be competitive, but Golden State I felt like would outclass them and having two scores of the caliber of of Curry and Butler would be too much for for a really really talented Rockets team. But now, yeah, the tables turn.
It's only one game, right, it's one one still, you know, you never know? I mean this, This Golden State team has rallied sometimes with Steph Curry having help.
Them and not, so I'm not counting them out.
It only takes one Steph Curry in Fuego shooting night that to get them right back in this. So I wasn't on thirty six points in Game three, by the way.
I wasn't on air like since he since they like that game, I hadn't been on air. But I didn't know jim I thought Jimmy might be out due to that injury. Like, I mean, not what I said. The State the statement was correct and they I.
Mean, yeah, he missed Game three and they won.
Yeah. All I'm saying is it was going to be a rap. If Jimmy Butler did not come back in and play, it was going to be a rap. That's why they won game won Game three, so what, so what?
That's why they're up three to one.
Like I said, they barely won last night.
Yeah, with Jimmy Butler, they barely.
Won Game three. M Butler.
He didn't have Jimmy Butler.
I know they didn't blow them out.
Yeah they took it, Yeah they did.
What was the score? I don't even remember game game three? I mean you mean Game two.
Steph Curry dropped thirty six, and I.
Don't think they blew him out. They haven't blown them out once. One O four ninety three. That's a blowout. I guess it could be considered that. Yeah, one eleven. I stand by it. I still stay still stand by that.
I'll stand by Dylan Brooks is trying everything he possibly can do Jimmy Butler to swing on him.
He's trying everything he can. He's trying to get he's trying to get all of them. He's like a He's like a poor man's version of Draymond. I love him.
I know people like to bury him because they well, you know, he's just out there.
He's not even playing basketball. He's a one scoring at the beginning of the game yesterday.
I mean, he's out there at all their critical moments.
He's on the floor.
He's he's trying as much as he possibly can. He's limited on offense, but trying everything he can do. Like he's a throwback player, Like this is a throwback series, which is why it's that so entertaining. And I was actually kind of surprised that the TNT crew when they went to halftime was complaining about the style of basketball. It was because like that, that's kind of their style of basketball.
That's what they've been calling for.
Is especially when you watch that awful Calves heat game and whatever the hell that that's a blowout.
That was a blowout. That's what I would call a blow It's total dumb. I mean, they didn't even have to put Donovan Mitchell back in. I don't even know why they put him back in the game.
Miami almost lost my sixty.
Yeah, I don't even know that they showed up to the arena. Those are fill in How does that happen?
I don't like, how do you like imagine having you know, clean imagine having Miami plus fifty and being like, yeah, of course I'll take that bet and still losing wild But there it is. The you know, the Cleveland Cavaliers are on their way to the next round. But last night, the star of that of that game was the star of the night in the NBA playoffs was Rockets Warriors. And I'm really hoping the game it goes sevens would can get as many games possible.
But it feels like skin it over quick.
Why can't we get this style of basketball for the other eighty two in the regular season.
That's too much, too much, too much basketball to be played.
It didn't used to be, didn't use that's.
To me, that's and it's so funny we said this style of basketball last night, like that's how the old NBA used to be. Like people used to beat each other up. I was telling my son because he's so on this Lebron train, and I was telling him, I was like, dude, I was like, I was like, I don't know what type of career Steph Curry would have had or Lebron would have had in that early those early days. It's like Lebron has had longevity, He's had a run for a really long time of being dominant. I said, he doesn't get beat up on like these other guys. So he asked me. He asked me the question. He poses the question. He said, who do you think is better? Since we're always talking about Lebron and Mike. He is like, he's like, who you think is better? Yo, Kic or Bird? And he's like looking at it like this is like like a redundant question or like a rhetorical question. I was like, dude, if I got to be honest, I'm going with Bird. And it's not because I'm older than you. It's not that I'm taking a shot at the younger generation and what they're I said, skill wise, skill I said, it's not even close how how much more skilled players are these days because of how specialized the training is. But you had to endure like you had to endure a season back when those guys played. Oh, if you want to look it up, Jo Kich has three league MVPs. You know how many? Bird has three? And did them all back to back to back. He did three times in a row. Jokic took a year off, you know, in terms of amounts of NBA first teams. Berd kills it. He's got two more championships than than Jokic, And he was like, yeah, but you're talking about the team. You're talking about team. I said, well, those accolades are connected to him as well. And so, for what it's worth, because I had the conversation about the Paul Pierce, what Paul Pierce brought up, if some way, somehow Steph Curry ends up, let's just say, for the sake of said, Steph Curry ends up winning the NBA World title this year, he will effectively be in pole position, perfect position to be considered the player of this era. And how do you how do you make sense of it? If he has more championships then Lebron James and the Lebron James era of time, and we're having the conversation about him being the goat, Well.
He already does have more titles than him, because Lebron's got three and a half and Steph Curry's got four.
Well, uh, what.
I would actually would actually.
Got a half ring and it's actually the it's tied together. It's got N ninety five fabric on the back end to tie it together.
I would already give him the benefit of the doubt, though at least as far as like the most recent only because of the impact he's had on the game, like Steph Curry's impact.
And it's one of the reasons why Kaitlyn Clark I think has.
Been so attractive for so many you know, female basketball players, is just their ability to do something that you know anyone can do. Lebron is such a specimen and an Adonis that no one's gonna be born like that with with the physical gift and athleticism to dunk, to fly through the air, to play the way he's playing at forty.
There's just there's not many people who are built to be able to do that.
But everyone can relate to shooting a three.
Shoot, you know, hitting a shot, you know, shot from the logo, and and that's where I think there's that attraction to how Steph Craig plays.
I just I go back to us talking about.
Like the style of basketball and enduring it to me the strategy behind it, because you saw Minnesota doing it with Lebron what two nights ago now, and you see what Houston kind of does, or at least you know Dylan Brooks is trying to do and you can be as skilled as you want. I think this is what like younger generations don't seem to understand, is you can be as talented.
And skilled as you want.
But once you get punched in the mouth, then it changes time. And that's the thing is and here and hear me out. So this is going to go on a long, long little trail here. No, kids don't fight anymore, like like when they grow up. It's not the same as what it used to be, where you know, you wouldn't be able to just say whatever you want on social media or say whatever you want on the playground. You get popped in the face and that actually was like a real life.
Lesson and you don't from me, well exactly most times most times you got you got away with it.
But then other thing was you didn't snitch right, like like you knew that. Like if Johnny hits you, it was Johnny stare at you in class, He's like, oh, yeah, did I hit you in the face or did you fall? And you're like, oh, I fell, But like that that's the that's the reality of what like people grew up with in the older generations was there are consequences for your actions.
And you had to be responsible and accountable for those actions.
And nowadays you look at you know, and just and this even applies to the draft and the prank can all that stuff and what just happened.
This applies to a.
Lot of things, but it applies to I think the game the way it's played, because now you look at how they're trying to neutralize a lot of skill and talent with getting in their heads, playing that with that sort of physicality, and some guys are like, what do I do.
I don't like this.
They look to the reps like do something. It's like, no, man, this is this is what like grade school one oh one. You got to figure out a solution on your own, and you have to be tough. You have to endure, as you guys said, and kind of work through this. But that's one of the reasons why I go back to saying, like, why can't we get this in the other eighty two games during the regular season. I wish we had a team that wanted to embody with The Detroit Pistons used to be like, I wish someone took that approach for eighty two games.
I mean, the New Pistons kind of tried like they were in a bunch of skirmishes. They were in a bunch of like them and the Rockets are probably the most physical teams in the NBA as far as you know, wanting to wanting to play that style of basketball. And they're both really talented but still probably a couple of years away from being legitimate contenders in either common But even looking at how their style of play has been in the playoffs, that doesn't even like the old Pistons, Like.
Like you gotta underst that, like the way they fouled was just different. It's different than how guys get fouled anymore. Did you see? So when like that technical on Draymond, like for his like hitting him in the hit with his leg and stuff like that, Like some of these calls is like they're so ticky tech called, like dudes were literally I told my son, I said, could you imagine Robert Parris turning around at seven foot and cold cocking you in the face, like punching you in the face a teme to dream seven footer turn around, open hand, bitch, slap you.
The Draymond that felt like that was because it was Draymond. That that's why he got, he got the technical for it, the Jimmy Butler when he chased down Dylan Brooks. I was actually happy that they didn't call a tech on that like that that wasn't or they didn't call a flagrant on that. Why would they exactly because Brooks threw himself on the ground and they just looked at it and said, let him play on. And then there was another time where he shoved Dylan Brooks down when they were talking to each other on the foul line, and they just let it play.
And I was like, okay, for.
All the criticism that officials get and deservedly, so, those were a couple of moments where they're like, no, no, no, it's the play.
I mean even the other night with Aunt and Lebron right, it's like he got up in his chest. How many times are you ever going to see that? Like you understand, MJ and them had to handle that. Isaiah Thomas, you name it, Charles Barkley, they had to handle that. Even Kobe I said, now you gotta think you got damn too soon anyway shouts out the code. I just think that when you think about it, And I was telling him, I said, it's like that in football too. It's like that. In football, the physicality of the game was being legislated out, like towards the end of Tom Brady's career, legislated out. So when I look at guys now, I don't necessarily measure and weigh them almost the same exact way I would when you were especially quarterbacks, especially quarterbacks, And then I would throw receivers in there on a second, like there was a time I'll never forget the Super Bowl where ty Law was sitting Hall of Fame, which ty Hall of Fame. Ty Law was sitting Marvin Harrison down on the bench. He was jamming that man up so serious on the ball that he was driving him all the way to the bench and sat him down on the bench. And you know what, the league did, get these cast five yards. We can't had that. We can't had that. When you start now, then the concussions epidemic hits. Now you gotta contend with that. It's just it's not the same game you had to survive in a different time. In both the NBA and the NFL, it's not survival now.
It's also the NHL because while we celebrate Ovechkin for breaking the record. Gretzky's era completely different, like he was getting mugged, so him being able to do what he did at that time. Like now it's everything's opened up, you know, after the lockout or whatever it was, they you know, they got rid of the two line pass and all that stuff, so they opened up the offense.
But yeah, it does feel like it's different.
Every sport has now realized we've got to figure out a way to cater towards the offense.
And scoring is the key. That's the bottom line. Scoring is the key, and in some situations, the well not some. In in most situations, the star is the star, and and football that's that's that's the quarterback and somewhat the receiver. And then basketball it's the face. Whatever the face of that team is, that guy's going to be protected.
So you got to blame TV then, as ultimately there's two things, TV and fantasy, because ultimately rating show people don't like watching.
Low scoring games. They just don't.
There's examples of it, I'm sure you can find in big games because everyone's watching. But we kind of how it can only blame ourselves to a degree if that's the case, and the reason I'm saying again, people feel like they don't they don't appreciate watching defensive sports. It could be basketball, it could be hockey, it could be anything. And some people talk about, like, hey, why do you like soccer? They don't score enough. It's one of the biggest gripes. It's like, well, you can't appreciate, like all the opportunities that lead to that that one opportunity that scores, or maybe it was just that one opportunity that you score, you know, saying like it's it's partially TV's fault that if that's how you're looking at it, because ratings have a direct correlation with scoring.
You know who else should be upset? Are these these athletes? They should be upset because they run the risk of never being like if you think about it, these athletes are not as as defined and as legitimized as athletes in the past. You don't have the type of like you had way more established brands in the NBA back in the day. You had way more established brands in terms of players in the NFL back in the day. And you know why, because in football you had to be a warrior. Whether you were a receiver, I could give you four other receivers outside of Jerry Rice, Andre Reid, Tim Brown, who else? Michael Irving, Art Monk Art Monk. Yeah, you had brands like you had established Webster Slaughter. Well, come on, and he ain't even like a par Echelants But you don't remember the name, but bb.
Don baby off top Rady.
All I'm saying is you had to have brands because they had to survive. I respected a dude getting hit and flipped and landing on his head and getting back up and playing like nothing happened.
By the way, and that was part of the highlight package. Guy looked like he got paralyzed, Don Bibi La and they're like, hey throw that in just to bring.
This back to basketball for a second.
Do you kind of feel like Adam Silver just doesn't seem like the type of guy that once that wants that heat.
No, he's too I'm going to look at your.
Like, he probably doesn't want to physical.
Too much, complaining. Man, you've already you've already. They should feel that way. Yeah, they should feel like it should be a more physical game and more like that. But he does look forget about physicality.
He's probably like I gotta wash my handle, touch me.
What do you think is how from them? From them? He looked like from the Adams family.
Tell me, I'm just look at how in conductions, But that.
Dude looks like he's from the Adams family too. Howie Howie what's his name, Howie Howie Man. Yeah, he looked like you know, I met him in person and didn't know about his germaphoe ways. I went to like shake his hand, he was like, oh you all know, honey, like put his fist out. I was like, af your fists man, my face, damn give me one a million dollar boxes.
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Let's take a listen, because we do have a pair of an update on this whole fiasco that went down. This was Bill Belichick being interviewed by CBS over the weekend with his girlfriend in the background, Jordan Hudson.
Let's take a listen.
Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.
You have Jordan right, over there.
Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life.
It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that?
Never been too worried about what everybody else thanks, just to try to do what I.
Feel like is that's for me? And what's right?
How did you guys meet not talking about this?
No, no, it's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on. And what world do you rock like that? With Bill Belichick? Man, hasn't he always been one in charge? She is in charge, my ge.
According to TMZ, that awkward, uncomfortable situation was even worse. TMZ is reporting that Bill Belichick's disastrous CBS interview was worse they had to cut out thirty minutes from it. Jordan Hudson stormed out in the middle of it and expected Bill a follower. So not only was it really really awkward in what aired and why it was even done, We were talking about it yesterday a little bit.
Like why even do it? What was the point of it?
Because she's sitting there basically running point on the production of everything and telling everybody what you can and cannot talk about. And now we find out it was even worse than that, and she stormed out, got a bit of a red ass herself, decided to bail on the interview, and apparently was expecting him to follow her. And I'm not sure that he did, which may lead to some some more issues they got.
That's what you call a laugh. Why you know, you touch a lot wire? You know what happened? You get shocked? You know, I just there's there's a little more.
Oh, go ahead, just go ahead, point out, please do, please do it's According to TMZ Sports, the whole ordeal isn't sitting well with Bill's employers. We're told folks at North Carolina are now concerned about Hudson's influence on Belichick's tenure as the head football coach in Chapel Hill, especially with her essentially taking.
On a role as his manager.
As a source put it, there's a quote growing sense this could become a problem. It could be if the school is already saying, hey, man like that, this is an issue.
I mean, I can just imagine what that's like behind the scenes. That is crazy.
I told you there under your head, that's crazy. You couldn't find a glass.
That's crazy. You want to talk about crazy ass hours. That's why I was pointing out that is crazy. And you know what else is crazy? This story And I'm gonna tell you why, because this kind of screams. This kind of screams there has to be a trade off for me to be dealing with your old ass.
What trade off is that?
I don't know, like you and power, Hey, what would you rather have Shannon Sharp or Bill Belichick? I just say, I'm just saying, would you rather have your your ass under wraps? And then you know, like and only reason why, I mean, really, let's make these comparable. There are significant age gaps in between the man and the woman in both of these scenarios.
Here's the the part that was just weird that I didn't. I know, we all talked about it whatever, but it was like, yeah, you know, he's older than her and she's this and that. It's like, hey, listen, you know he's single, he's doing his thing, file whatever, it's.
Not our business. I didn't.
I didn't actually grasp how weird it was until the guy who was doing the interview for CBS described it and said the following.
You know, Bill, we've seen you.
Know a lot of You've always had a really private life, but we've seen now it's been on Instagram. There was pictures of you and Jordan. You were on the beach. You were dressed up as a fisherman. She was dressed up as a mermaid.
Yeah, she's she's she's orchestrating the whole thing.
Wait, wait, wait, what can I remember?
I remember seeing it in real time at the time and being like, oh, okay.
She's orchestrating the whole thing.
Would you describe it like that?
That's Bill Belichick dressed as the vandicamp's mascot.
Yeah, while she's I'm laying on on whatever it is. The surface that they were on a boartwalk.
It's long John silver and he's got the stunt double from Splash on.
The sand and they're taking it stupid.
I think it was a boardwalk. It was like a pair or something. I saw the fix. All I'm saying is, Bro, there's always a There's always a backstory. Bro, There's always a backstory. And the shorty girl for Sharp made it very clear she's a only fans type cat like twenty five G's a cheek. There's a price to be paid when you're giving up that many years, that much mileage. There's a price to be paid. Now what that price is, I don't know, but her actions and her activities are making it a public conversation. And for Bill Belichick to now be where he's at, it almost makes him a person now. And the reason why I think Bill Belichick had such a superpower in New England was that we did not think he was of this planet. He didn't handle things in a normal manner. He didn't talk to you in a normal manner, almost like an alien. And because he won, you left him on the hell alone. He he's now, he's like he's like Superman at the bar after he left and said he ain't want to be Superman anymore. You sitting there and you think you Superman until do pop you in your lip and you're like, what what's that? What's that? I'm bleeding? That's that owl? That hurt? Like I'm bleeding? Like, hey, Bill, you got to move on. Yes, man, Hey, let me tell you something, and you got to do it now because I don't care. She's the same age as you. If she's interfering and interrupting and injecting herself into the conversations into your business that way, that's bad for business.
Yeah, Like, well, and now you're bad for business and legitimately bad for business if your employers are like, hey, this is a problem, Like this is a problem because now it's in question, Like I don't care, Like you want to deal with a little kid as long as she's she's of age, she's she's legal.
That seems to be what the new trend is lately, like get them soon as they turn eighteen or it's nineteen. I don't know if that's your deal. I guess that's you know, just don't do it with my daughters. But in the end, in the end, if they are inserting themselves into your world where they're suing you for fifty million dollars and turning down ten million dollars, or they're injecting themselves into scenarios that where you're representing yourself and your business and the institution that you're coaching for, and that is turning into a thing, and y'all don't know how to handle it any better than that, then don't have her there. If you if you need to not have her around don't have her around. You knew something was going to be interesting by the way she was dressed out the spring game.
It's a spring game.
If you don't take that ass off and put on some some sweatpants and a North Carolina sweatshirt with some sneakers and walk your hands on and off that field if you want to with a clipboard, fine, but you got on you look like you had on like a ten fifteen thousand dollars outfit an for spring.
Let me check this out, and their football team ain't even like that.
Oh yeah, yeah something.
It just this, Jonas. What this does and what it creates is, like you said, now, it forces the questions to be asked, And now you gotta start answering the questions because the questions are going to keep coming. And now there's more questions because now you're like intrigued, like hold on, something ain't right here, Something don't seem right, some don't feel right. Why does this lady feel so entitled to be able to handle things? Ain't nobody else's girlfriend's wife, side pieces, ain't no baby mama's Ain't nobody else's handling things like this? Why are you doing this now? Why are you doing this, and all them questions ain't going away, and Bill, you're going to have to either start answering them or you gotta get rid of her. Got to go. It was fun while it lasted. You probably have had the greatest time of your life. But just like anything else, all good things must come to an end.
What do you think they were doing? They're sitting at home like it was a Tuesday night.
They're flipping around. They start watching Deadliest Catching, like you know what, we could do that too. Bruh, here you fall out of a crab. All he wants to do is football, dress up like a fisherman off.
She them blew his mind? She pause, see them blown, not man's mind, and now he ain't thinking straight. Even the great Bill Belichick can fall victim. That's that. Yeah, that is well, that's what I meant about what I said.
Hey, listen, man, maybe that was up part of that walk of shame.
Remember that walk of shame. I mean, he don't have no shame, he's Bill Belichick, but now it's starting to become common knowledge.
Shamee.
Oh no, Shae, oh no, shame oh no, oh shamee. All right, let's go to Shane let's go to I just, I just, I'm just saying, like the way she's Sunday, she sudden the interviewer and she was trying to son, Bill Belichick. Don't you dare open your mouth while Bill Belichick is talking? Who do you think you are to open your mouth during a Bill Belichick interview? The reporters don't even open their mouths to the to that dang Bill Belichick. And you're sitting over there telling Bill Belichick and the reporter what they ain't gonna do.
Damn.
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What's up, guys?
How are you why your boy fall apart like that man?
That was ridiculous because you know why, because he made a football evaluation based on what he thought he saw in the league, sent out a message on what they saw, and he got angry about it. I mean, look, here's the problem with draft evaluations. Nobody can ever admit they're wrong. Teams are wrong, GM's are wrong, coach are wrong, evaluators are wrong, media analysts are wrong.
We all get it wrong.
So why can't you admit it? He was wrong to door Sanders was not the number four overall player industry raft. He never was, and for anybody if you go back and look at it, I'm one of the few guys in the entire industry that thought he would be a second round pick in who they should mock draft?
He wasn't in it.
In my final mock draft, he wasn't in it. Should he have been a third round pick probably based on what based on the play. You know, everybody wants to bring in every other issue involved here. They want to say it's his dad. They want to say it was his bad interviews. And yet his interviews weren't great, and he was stand office at times and teams were turned off by.
Him a little bit.
But the reality is the reason he wasn't drafted in the first round is because he doesn't have the traits. He's not a big guy, he doesn't have a powerful arm, he's not athletic, he doesn't move great, and he holds the football. That's the bottom line. If he were same exact scenario, same exact scenario, same situation, didn't interview well, doesn't have as a father who's very involved, nobody wants to father around in the same exact scenario. And he's six foot five and he's got a cannon for an arm, and he can stand in and make all the throws. He goes first overall, bottom line, end of.
Story, Pete, what do you make of just sort of.
The there was like when Dylan Gabriel went and Jalen Milroe went before that and all that, it was like, well, you know he's dropping because of this, he's dropping. And then the coverage became and I and I sort of wondered if NFL teams were looking at it, and the coverage of him falling and going, this is exactly.
Why we don't want this.
This is exactly why, because even he doesn't get drafted, and there's the circus that surrounds it.
And I'm not saying that.
Look, he's like.
They bring a lot of this on themselves, but facts are facts. I mean, like, why would you want a lad backup and a loud locker room similar to the Kaepernick stuff, similar to the Tim Tebow stuff, Like there's been other examples of this. But people looked at this as he was being victimized and the prank calls and everything, like, what was your take on just sort of the coverage of the whole thing while it was transpiring?
It was unfair to every other player was drafted.
Did you know that cam Ward went first overall?
No, you don't, because all anybody talked about was shood door Sanders, shoe do or Sanders shud door Sanders And it's ridiculous. And you know, I went on after he got drafted and I said, my long national nightmare is finally over. I mean, I can go on with my life. It was unreal, the media coverage and the moaning and groaning and crying. You mentioned Mel Kuiper. Look, Mel's done this for a long time. He's got plenty wrong. Okay, we all have but to sit there and say. And the things that he said about the NFL because his guy didn't get picked forth overall, you missed your evaluation.
It were wrong.
It's called mock draft for reason. It's not real to mock.
But that's his credibility.
Don't forget about their.
He makes money off of it. That way, that's he has to be. It's empore. He crashed out because, for one, it's important for I thought it was more ego driven than it was protecting Chador or even be washing. Yeah, I thought it was more so. I thought it was more so about him making it about himself and that moment. And that's that's what to me, that's what made the crash out so interesting, Like why are you that outraged? Like you can't be like you're only outrage that it's that far away from your projection, Like, oh, it's never happened. I've had somebody rate it this high. It's never happened where they've gone this far away from where I've had Like come on, bro, like I get it, but you know, let me ask you this, and then I want to be done with the Shador talk. I feel like, for what is worth, You're right that it takes away from the other players and talking about Shador like that. But I feel like it takes away from Shador because it actually whether the kid is a little arrogant or whatever it is people want to label them. I don't care what you label him. He's still a young man and he's still growing into himself. There are a lot of guys that are really confident in themselves and handle themselves that way. But Pete, don't you feel like when things like this kind of transpire and it develops into the way that you had Steven A. Smith comparing the situation to a Colin Kaepernnick like situation, you're basically destroying the kid's career before he even gets an opportunity to go out there and try and prove it on the field.
Well, again, there's a hyperbable color from Steven A.
Smith too. I mean, give me a break.
Co mind, it's a football evaluation that if you and you know this, LaVar, if you're here on a football valuation and your talent is up here, then you can get away with stuff over here. On the other side, if it starts to equalize and your talent comes down and the craft goes up, then they start having major concerns for you. If the crap goes up and the talent is lower, then you're going to have problems. And that's exactly what happens here. And it's the guy, all things being equals, if that was the prototypical stand in the pocket and even the apple Jade Daniels, who was Jade Daniels from a year ago or Caleb Williams from a year ago, he still goes first overall, second overall. It's not the that's not the problem. The problem isn't the stuff that comes with him. The stuff that comes with him becomes more of an impact when you're not as good as your your evaluation is. And the league clearly Fantamata, you know everybody points to his college numbers and what he did in college. You want me to go through a laundry.
List of guys.
Danny Whirfol at the University of Florida might have been one of the greatest college quarterbacks who ever played the game. He stood in there, he was tough, he took a beating, he understood coverages, he got the ball out, he read the field. But you know why he couldn't make it in the NFL. He wasn't a high draft pick because he did'd have a great arm. I mean, you can go on and on Dylan Gabriel's numbers and for everybody's picking apart Dylan Gabriel and going ahead of him. And I know, by the way, I don't love Dylan Gabriel's game, but the reality is his numbers are everybody good and he's little well, you know what, he's got a better arm that your door Sanders does. So you're going to offer that the little with this with the arm. It's the same type of thing. It's a football evaluation. And when you get to a certain point of not being talented enough to be a first round pick, talented enough to be a second round pick, you get to the third round, you go back to what you said, LeVar, do you want and you Jonas and do you want to be bring him into the building to be a backup quarterback when he's that's reality of you're bringing all that other stuff into it.
By the way, Jason White won a Heisman, didn't get drafted, bro, you know, get give me the comp on like, you know, who had comparable numbers to Shador Sanders, who won the same award, the Johnny Uniteds Award, and went what like Gardner Minshew had the same exact stat line and went when where in the in the drafty six round six round. So I'm just saying there are comps. There are comps, like, it's not it's not actually like, maybe they didn't rank Gardner Minshew as the third or fourth best quarterback in or player prospect in the draft and it didn't work out that way. But there are comps to what Shador Sanders accomplished and and got literally even a worse draft stock a draft pick he went later than what Shador went. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that even though he's a Sanders, that he just slid in the draft from what people thought that he was going to be in the draft. I mean, that's that's simple to say.
Here's all you need to know. Okay, if the father was in the same exact draft in his prime, exactly the same situation, where's the father.
Go top five to do?
Yes?
I made the same point, Pete. And by the way, for what is Worth. You know, the argument against that is he's not a quarterback. It's different for quarterbacks. Because at the end of the day, if you really wanted to take this to another step, the idea that nobody takes a look and stops and says, well, Dion is just as involved with Travis Hunter as he is with Shador and Shallow. He treats him the same exact way. If you add Deon Sanders, he will tell you that's my son, Travis Hunter. So why there's some people sitting here said falling out and crashing out over over looking at it from the standpoint of Travis Hunter went number two and your Jacksonville Jaguars traded the getting They didn't just take him number two, they traded up to get them. That's connected to Dion. So we're saying that Dion's the problem and Deon's the reason, and they're humbling Don and this, that and the other end. Oh, they're humbling Shadoor this. I just find it to be a tad bit weird that you have a direct comp Travis Hunter did everything Prime wanted him to do. He could have went to Florida State, he chose not to. Cus Prime didn't get the job. He went to Jackson State, he followed him there, followed him to Colorado, ended up getting a heisman. So to me, you can't sit there and say this is all about don because then you would have looked at that Travis Hunter might have fell in the draft as well. But because he's one of deonce players. I mean, I don't see how that isn't a like, isn't a storyline that isn't even talked about.
Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you. Look and you know why, because he's the best player in the draft.
Well, there you go, number two, Pete.
I want to ask you before I let you go outside of number two, outside of Sdor Sanders, best pick off the top of your head, worst pick off the top of your head, One that you look at and go, I don't get it, and another one you go that was a home run.
Well, I didn't love the I didn't love the dark pick. I don't love I wasn't a huge fan of Jackson Dart. I understand why they did it, but I didn't love that pick. That one I think when I looked at it, I think that was quarterback panic. That's what that was for me. So that's one that stood out. I think Jacksonville making the move to go get Travis Hunter was the best move with the entire draft.
You have to go do that.
The guy is a star. The guy is a star. He's the best player in a draft. I know you're gonna say your Penn State.
Linebacker is, but he's the best player in the draft. Pen Tate linebacker had a couple of.
Injury concerns too, though. I but yeah, yeah, well still he still got the foot. He didn't get it surgically repaired.
He doesn't need to get it surgically repaired. Pete Prisco, at some point you might there's always a Mike. There's a mite for every last one of them guys in.
The league that thought he should have got that gotta put the gut to fixed before, and that he wouldn't.
Have to worry about.
By the way, Pete, by the way, I love I love Car.
I'm not gonna sit here in bast Car.
I think Car is a great player, don't get me wrong, but I think Travis Hunter is at Travis Hunter is unreal.
Pete.
We did h we were taking a look at your your thoughts on the Bears taking Colston Lovelin over Tyler.
I thought that was ridiculous. Indeed, you rated him higher, like you got something against Penn Staters. That's all. You're okay with them being the second best in your book? Right?
I saw another I saw another number eleven running around over there at Penn State the other day.
Did you really how about that?
Yeah?
Hopefully hopefully you didn't do.
No, he's a good looking he's a good looking kid.
He's only what is he a true freshman?
He's seventeen. He's not even a true freshman. He's an early in role.
How big?
How big LaVar?
He's six four to twenty right now to twenty one?
Damn.
Yeah, he's looking pretty good.
He's gonna be he gonna be better than his father.
Well, you know, he ain't gonna he ain't gonna be.
He ain't gonna be like you know, little little Pippin's good player, but he's never gonna be as good as his father. This one's gonna go soaring path.
Yea, I will see. We'll see he's pretty good though, you know, we'll see.
That's a good looking kid. I saw those are those highlights. That's impressive things? Well, so, yeah, I didn't love dark that one.
You know, I love Hunter Colston Loveland over Tyler.
Oh, yeah, that was.
Colston love because Colston Loveland's a better pass catch catcher than Tyler. Tyla War is probably the more complete tight end.
He is more complete, a little bit more.
But but I think Loveland's more what the what Ben Johnson and the Bears needed. He's going to be Sam Laporte in their offense, and I think that's why they decided to go in that direction.
I don't have a problem with that. I don't I don't have a problem with that. Now, Pete, I know you gotta go. We gotta go. But the Atlanta Falcons, I thought they pulled off the best first round by getting a kid that failed because of off field issues by the way, but getting getting Jaylen Walker and then getting James Pierce and the same at the same time. I mean, they shored up their front. I mean, how'd you feel about that one? Just super quick?
You know?
I loved it because look, if Pierce doesn't have the off the field issues.
Ei the top ten top ten, yeah, Carter should be.
It should have been a top ten pick. So you fix your edge rushers in one draft. Now, you got to say, if he stays on the field and stays out of it, stays away from trouble and issues, you know, because there's been there were a lot of guys that have questioned about character about James Pierce.
Let's be real, he's a top ten talent without that.
But if he does and everybody says, well, they gave up a first round pick, that's kid is as good as I think he can become on the football field. They stole them and you get those two edge rushers, and how many how many years of the Falcon has been chasing edge rushers.
You're trying to find it.
It's a great it's they had a great draft and it's a big, big yeah. You's gotta say true to the football field.
Uh.
Pete Prisco, get him on x at Prisco, CBS Senior NFL columnist, CBS Sports h Q analyst.
Always appreciate it.
Let's do it again next Tuesday.
He's coming for you in the bar. The Sun's gonna take them.
We'll see, we'll see there.
He is the great.
Pete Prisco with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
