This episode is presented by No Sleep Records. On a bit of a departure from your "typical" guest on the show, Steve Rennie is the manager of major rock band Incubus as well as the curator/instructor of his own music industry course called Renman Music. He invited me over to his house and we discussed the music business in general, motivation and (to my excitement) golf. For anyone interested in the music industry, this is required listening. Brought to you in conjunction with Propertyofzack.com and is a part of the How We Are Podcast Network (howweare.org).